My co-workers were having a kerfuffle about what powers Peter' *should* have (yes, we were working hard :rolleyes: ) so someone actually put together a list. (really slaving away at our jobs:hypocrit: ) Of course being the good F&S'er I am posting it here (with permission of course) and will try to keep it updated.

Here is what he put -dividing it between what we know Peter has, what he might have and what he got from Sylar (so we can keep track of Sylar too)

Anything missing? Wrong? Suggestions? Comments?

PETER
Definite (Peter used them)
Mindreading/Mind control – Matt
Regeneration- Claire/Adam
Flying – Nathan
Invisibility - Claude
Bending time & space – FHiro
Mass shifting – DL
Dreams – Mrs Petrelli
Electric pulse - Elle
Super-strength – Jessica
LOUD voice - Jesse the Villan (aka Weevil from Veronica Mars)


Possible (Peter has been exposed to but has not used)
Locating Heroes – Molly (Kirby Plaza)
Communicating with machines – Micah (Kirby Plaza)
Mind wiping/power blocking - Haitian (Time between HTSAEM & 4ML)
Alchemy- Bob
Fear-Strength - Black Villan Guy

PPeter exposed in future
Super Speed - Daphne
'Brain Mechanics' - Sylar

FPeter
Body Posession

Possible Power Donors
Mrs Petrelli (power unknown, if any)
Mr Deveaux (power unknown, if any)
Mr Petrelli (power unknown, if any)
Mr Nakamura (power unknown, if any)
Victoria Pratt (power unknown, if any)


Sylar
Definite Common Peter/Sylar Powers (Peter has used)
Radioactivity/EMP -Ted
Drawing the Future -Isaac
Telekinetic -Brian Davis
Healing - Claire

Possible common Sylar (definite)/Peter powers (possible -Peter has not used)
Melting metal -Zane Taylor
Super hearing -Dale Smither
Mr Freeze - Unknown
Cutting ability (part of his telekenisis or a different power?)
Object history - Woman Mrs P gave Sylar for 'food'
LOUD voice - Jesse the Villan


Possible Sylar (and Peter) Powers
Super memory(?) - Charlie (Never confirmed which continuum we ended up with whether Sylar killed Charlie or she died of the blood clot)

Possible Sylar (and Peter) Power 'Donors'
Molly's father (power unknown)

Non-Peter Powers(maybe)
Sylar powers Peter wouldn't have (yet):
Shapeshifting (?) - Candice
Cure for Black Goo Tears (other ailments?) (?)- Alejandro
*note it isn't known yet if the 2 above are Sylar powers as he killed them while affected with the virus


On the table yet:
Muscle Mimic- Monica
Black Death Tears -Maya
Fire starter -Claire's Mom
Wireless reception - Hana Gitelman
Mr(s) Freeze - Tracy


Lost (maybe) (Heroes who have died without passing their powers to Sylar/Peter - as far as we know)
Power of suggestion – Eden Matt has this power now I think
Healing Touch- Linderman
Vortex Guy

Good job to you and your coworkers! I have some questions/comments. Don't mind as I edit your list just to comment on the ones I need.

Definite (Peter used them)
Mass shifting – DL?
I think this is definite. He phased through those ropes.

Dreams (?) – Unknown
I thought for a long time during S1 that this is Mama P's power. If not, it could be Mr. Deveaux's. No matter who's it is, we should remember that he would have both of their powers as well, whatever they are.

Possible
Super-strength – Jessica (this one he should have - he was definitely in proximity when she brained Sylar with the parking meter but he hasn't accessed this one yet)
I think he did use this, when he threw one of Caitlin's attackers across the room. It looked the same as when Jessica did it.

Locating Heroes – Molly (Kirby Plaza)
Communicating with machines – Micah (Kirby Plaza)
These two are tricky. We assume that if Peter has DL's power that he got it at Kirby. But we don't know for sure that Peter didn't see DL sometime after that. I know that's unlikely since DL is dead and Peter blew up, but who can really say what happened? There could be a twist at hand. Maybe DL is really alive? (Please?) After all, Sylar is. Anyway, if he is dead and Peter got his power at Kirby, he has these two's also.

Through Sylar
Radioactivity/EMP -Ted
I just wanted to point out that you had this under the "possible" list even though it is a definite.

Mr Freeze (?)
Cutting ability - is that part of his telekenisis or a different power?
What power did he get from Molly's father? Freezing or did he already have that one?
I think freezing (are you thinking of the sword?) and the cutting are both forms of telekensis, albeit taking it as far as possible. On the micro level, Sylar is manipulating molecules in both situations. For freezing, he is slowing them down dramatically and for cutting, he could just be moving them apart. As for Molly's parents, are we sure one or both has powers?

On the table yet:
Mind wiping - Haitian
I believe he has this one, because I think the Haitian wiped his memory.

Lost (maybe) (Heroes who have died without passing their powers to Sylar/Peter)
Healing - Linderman
You know, he COULD very well have this one. After all, wasn't Linderman an old family friend? I find it hard to believe Peter never met him. Hmm....

Good points Jenny.
It is getting really hard to keep track of it all. Peter really has the potential to be a monster super-hero :eek2:
Comments below:

Definite (Peter used them)
Mass shifting – DL?
I think this is definite. He phased through those ropes.
Agree but can we assume he got them from DL? I guess that is a pretty safe bet, will remove the ?.

[/I] Dreams (?) – Unknown
I thought for a long time during S1 that this is Mama P's power. If not, it could be Mr. Deveaux's. No matter who's it is, we should remember that he would have both of their powers as well, whatever they are.
For that matter there is speculation about Mr Petrelli having powers too, certainly one of the elder Petrelli's must have them to explain Nathan & Peter having them. Will create another section of people he could have absorbed from but we don't know the power.

Possible
Super-strength – Jessica (this one he should have - he was definitely in proximity when she brained Sylar with the parking meter but he hasn't accessed this one yet)
I think he did use this, when he threw one of Caitlin's attackers across the room. It looked the same as when Jessica did it.
I couldn't tell if that was super-strength or telekenisis, but yeah that would be a fairly big continuity error if he didn't have it.

[/I] Locating Heroes – Molly (Kirby Plaza)
Communicating with machines – Micah (Kirby Plaza)
These two are tricky. We assume that if Peter has DL's power that he got it at Kirby. But we don't know for sure that Peter didn't see DL sometime after that. I know that's unlikely since DL is dead and Peter blew up, but who can really say what happened? There could be a twist at hand. Maybe DL is really alive? (Please?) After all, Sylar is. Anyway, if he is dead and Peter got his power at Kirby, he has these two's also.
I agree - although we don't know how close Peter needs to be to someone to absorb their power. He absorbed Ted's from a bit of a distance so he probably has these too, but I don't think we know for sure yet and maybe Peter doesn't know.

Through Sylar
Radioactivity/EMP -Ted
[I]I just wanted to point out that you had this under the "possible" list even though it is a definite.
It was under both since Peter actually got it from Ted. I forgot to edit the Sylar section originally but now I created another section of mutual powers since sadly, I don't think Ted is the last person that Sylar will kill that Peter has been in contact with.

Mr Freeze (?)
Cutting ability - is that part of his telekenisis or a different power?
What power did he get from Molly's father? Freezing or did he already have that one?
I think freezing (are you thinking of the sword?) and the cutting are both forms of telekensis, albeit taking it as far as possible. On the micro level, Sylar is manipulating molecules in both situations. For freezing, he is slowing them down dramatically and for cutting, he could just be moving them apart. As for Molly's parents, are we sure one or both has powers? The sword, the snow for his mother, he froze Molly's father and I think maybe Isaac when Hiro teleported to NY the first time. I think this is a separate power but since we don't know where he got it from it is hard to say. Ditto for the skull cutting. Either way I think I will leave it as a separate power since Peter would need to figure out how to make his power do that particular task. If it is telekenisis, then what did he get from Molly's dad? Maybe I will add a power donor section for Sylar too.

On the table yet:
Mind wiping - Haitian
I believe he has this one, because I think the Haitian wiped his memory. Yes, although we don't know that for sure yet - I moved it to possible.

Lost (maybe) (Heroes who have died without passing their powers to Sylar/Peter)
Healing - Linderman
You know, he COULD very well have this one. After all, wasn't Linderman an old family friend? I find it hard to believe Peter never met him. Hmm....True and he even talks about Linderman as if he knows him in 6MA. Nothing is for certain on this show (hence the maybe ;) ) Hopefully we will find out more as part of the Generations volume.

Ok, I agree on everything you said. I forgot about Mr. Petrelli. Good call. My feeling is that he was one of the original 12, and his death really was not from natural causes. I hope we learn more about him. I'm guessing his personality will be more like Peter's, as Nathan and Mama are similar to each other.
The sword, the snow for his mother, he froze Molly's father and I think maybe Isaac when Hiro teleported to NY the first time. I think this is a separate power but since we don't know where he got it from it is hard to say. Ditto for the skull cutting. Either way I think I will leave it as a separate power since Peter would need to figure out how to make his power do that particular task. If it is telekenisis, then what did he get from Molly's dad? Maybe I will add a power donor section for Sylar too.

Ah, I forgot about those early happenings. I don't remember the first few eps that well and don't have time to rewatch now. But based on all that, I think freezing is a strong possibility.

Remind me how we know it was Molly's dad and not her mom (or both) that had powers?

Molly's mother was pinned to the wall with forks & knives and Molly's father was in the middle of eating dinner, frozen, with the top of his head cut off. It was pretty clear that it was a guy with out the brain and Sylar only took the one. The woman pinned to the wall still had her head. This is part of the set of scenes when we first see Matt. The FBI/Police are at the scene of the crime, Matt is outside keeping people away when he hears Molly thinking and ends up finding her under the stairs. Audrey (the FBI agent) describes what was done to the victim.

Sylar must have killed a few people in between Brian Davis and the Walkers because the FBI is on the trail of a 'serial' killer and somehow they have identified him as Sylar by that point. So even if he didn't get cutting/freezing from those people, he got something. Maybe we will see some more Sylar powers :shifty:

Hey Newf, I quickly glanced at the convo, but I did not see this. Does he/ has he shown super-strength? I took all the instances from Peter as telekinesis. Sylar moves some pretty big stuff easily. The tell-all will be whether Peter actually puts is hands on the objects being thrown. And, I wonder whether Peter could absord Jesica's power due to the manifestation of Niki to Jessica. I mean that the power is somewhat of a hidden one. Niki has to clairvant Jessica for the power to show. Maybe that is Niki's power - clairvoyance - and she only conjours Jessica. I bet she can conjour and spirit she wishes. After all, being pissed off is Jessica's thing.

The electric pulse is Ted's radioactivity - EMP pulse from controlled reaction. Maybe you all said this.

And, I agree that mass shifting (DL's) explains how Peter got out of the ropes, but I still don't remember Peter and DL meeting. I need to see more mass shifting in Peter.

I like your Dreams discussion. I had forgotten/ forgotten to consider this as a power. I guess I felt like it was Peter's (normal) subconscious precog due to his unique ability to absorb abilities. he seems to have a natural connection to all heroes by his ability to absorb all heroes power. It almost seems to make Petey a Sensei of Heroes.

I like the list and agree with all of it, with the slight disagreement on the discrepencies of Jessica/ Niki's unique and unusual power. I truly think it is still up in the air exactly what NIKI's power is (aside from Jessica since that seems to be the POWER).

I will read more closely when I can because you have all the possibilities listed. You guys keep busy at work :biggrin:

Hey Newf, I quickly glanced at the convo, but I did not see this. Does he/ has he shown super-strength? I took all the instances from Peter as telekinesis. Sylar moves some pretty big stuff easily. The tell-all will be whether Peter actually puts is hands on the objects being thrown. And, I wonder whether Peter could absord Jesica's power due to the manifestation of Niki to Jessica. I mean that the power is somewhat of a hidden one. Niki has to clairvant Jessica for the power to show. Maybe that is Niki's power - clairvoyance - and she only conjours Jessica. I bet she can conjour and spirit she wishes. After all, being pissed off is Jessica's thing.
Yeah, I don't get Niki so well. My instict is to believe she has the power and a split personality. The power exists no matter who she is manifesting, but Niki does not access it for some reason. Now that we've seen Niki asking to be cured, I'm thinking Jessica is gone but Niki realizes she still has super strength - and wants to get rid of it. As for Peter, I do think he has it. At Kirby his punches on Sylar after Niki hit him with the meter were made to seem extra hard.

Also, in 2.2 Peter throws one of the Irish guys across the room, and I'm pretty sure he had his hands on him. But, I looked for a screen capture of it and no one had the exact moment I was thinking of, so I can't be sure.
The electric pulse is Ted's radioactivity - EMP pulse from controlled reaction. Maybe you all said this.I actually disagree with this. I doesn't seem at all the same to me. Electicity and radioactivity are also quite different, right?

And, I agree that mass shifting (DL's) explains how Peter got out of the ropes, but I still don't remember Peter and DL meeting. I need to see more mass shifting in Peter.The only time they were in the same scene was at Kirby Plaza (that we've seen).

I actually disagree with this. I doesn't seem at all the same to me. Electicity and radioactivity are also quite different, right?

Yes and no. Electricity is the flow of electrons (from some element or compound) from one point to another that allows for energy to be transferred to a device. I.E. A power plant moves electrons down the line to your house where you use the potential to produce actual energy to power your stove. A battery in a flash light does the same. As soon as you turn it on, you release the flow of electrons (potential energy) and actually induce more reactions in the battery.

Consider a nuclear power plant. These use fission to break down uranium (radiactive) into its parts (protons, neutrons, electrons). The simple fission creates heat (energy) which is used to generate electricity.

An EMP pulse is somewhere in the gray from what I gather (I'm not a physicist). Have you heard of the possibility of dropping a nuclear bomb over a city but detenating it in the sky? The effect is an EMP. All electronics in the area, even battery powered wrist watches, will stop.

The idea is that the radioactive energy and reactions in the explosion create a disturbance of (normal) electricity flow and production. Also, the use of uranium to produce electricity (indirectly) presents the potential for nuclear energy to become electricity. The sun does similar things in some events.

Essentially, radioactivity, energy, heat, and electric potential are pretty closely related. It all deals with reactions and transferring energy.

Try a google search for radioactivity +EMP, I bet you can find some official, layman-styled papers on this.

And, after all this, you have every right to disagree, based on your understanding. I personally believe they are one in the same for Peter due to the (limited, yet stored) knowledge I have on these subjects.

...this is why I love this board. :biggrin:

Thanks Newf and Jenny for making me think again :)

BTW, I am right there with you on Niki, even though I have a handful of ideas.

LOL, Good posts!

I put the electricty separate from EMP/Radioactivity mostly because I think they came from 2 different people. EMP/Radioactivity he got from Ted and the EMP is sort of the absence of electricity. The blue electric lightning power seems new and not at all the same as what Ted did to get away from Thompson.

Alright GF, I surrender! Just kidding, but my last physics class was senior year of high school... oh 14 years or so ago. :) But I should be brushed up on my EMP from Lost after all!

I think we'll have to wait and see what happens if and when we ever get the full details of Peter's last 4 months.

Yeah, I agree. I still lean towards my explanation, but Newf's comment kind of clarified yours for me as well. I see how you all are looking at the blue bursts. I honestly do not remember what Ted's looked like, and due to the lack of knowledge of an electric hero, I suppose I am being narrowed minded on purpose and chalking it all up to Ted.

Aside from this one thing, there are other continuity issues that we need cleared up with Fours Months Ago, like Matt's acting like he doesn't know Ando or Nathan as well as he does.

Aside from this one thing, there are other continuity issues that we need cleared up with Fours Months Ago, like Matt's acting like he doesn't know Ando or Nathan as well as he does.
I thought about this when 4 Months Ago was on. ANDO should have remembered Matt from his experience in the future, although he doesn't show that he does. Matt probably wouldn't know Ando though. But, Matt saw Nathan fly Peter off in Kirby Plaza, although someone in that ep thread pointed out it might be a tacky thing to remember witnessing his brother die. :shrug:

During another hard working afternoon - the discussion of Matt's father's powers came up and whether different manifestations of powers should be considered separate.
For instance Matt can read minds but can he control minds? He has the 'power' but not the ability so should they be considered 2 different powers or potential powers or what.

So how shoud this get listed for Peter? Separate? Mind reading under definite and mind control under possible? A new category?

Thoughts? ideas?

I think the power's should be listed as had. After all Matt "has" the power, just can't "use" it yet. But, he started to when he helped pull Nathan from the Mind lock, IMHO.

Think of Claude and Peter. Claude had to teach Peter to "use" his powers better to his benefit and full ability. Although, Claude did not a master Peter make, just sent him on the right path.

Also from the producers, since the ability to use one's powers lie in the heart and personality, our heroes just need time.

My last example: say you buy a Ferrari. You "have" it, but can you really "drive" it, like a Ferrari is intended to be driven? I couldn't, not at first, but I'd learn. Therefore, I have the car, but not the ability to use it to its full potential. I still have possession. So, Matt's ability is Mind Control, but he has only mastered its first manifestation, Mind Reading. By this, the power is defined for what it will be and all parts that it includes.

Claire - before we saw her regenerate, she was a a self-healer. Now she's a regenerator. She only had to experiment, so she was always a regenerator.

Agreed?

Updated:
Powers from Matt (added mind control)
New heroes (Bob, Monica)
Added Mr Nakamura to possible donors - Nathan said he used to come to the house once in a while (and Mrs P used to hug him a little too long)

Updated:
Powers from Matt (added mind control)
New heroes (Bob, Monica)
Added Mr Nakamura to possible donors - Nathan said he used to come to the house once in a while (and Mrs P used to hug him a little too long)

Whoa-ho-ho-ho, hold the presses Newf. I hadn't thought about it, but what say if any or all the 12 had contact with Peter. Since he has had to think of the person who's power he wants to use, through now, if he doesn't know someone he's met, even as a boy, had a power, could he tap into it in himself? This could imply Peter's had many, many powers for a long time.

Surely not though, right? Debunk me, I am thinking too big I'm sure.

I don't think he needs to remember the person whose power he is using - see all his power usage in Ireland. IMO, he just needs to call up the requisite emotional catalyst, like anger for telekinesis. I think that's the distinction. Anyway, I wish we knew what Kaito and Angela's powers are. Peter may very well have most of the 12's powers.

I don't think he needs to remember the person whose power he is using - see all his power usage in Ireland. IMO, he just needs to call up the requisite emotional catalyst, like anger for telekinesis. I think that's the distinction. Anyway, I wish we knew what Kaito and Angela's powers are. Peter may very well have most of the 12's powers.

Jenny, you are right about Peter's needing to remember the people, now. But, hasn't this been the context of question in many articles and spoilers? I thought Peter was evolving his power's in that he can use them with only his heart and emotion, like you say. But, there was a question, and shyly confirming response from TPTB, about Peter's look when he was holding the (thug) to the wall with telekinesis. The question was that Peter seemed to have the evil look in his eyes like Sylar. The powers are/ were related to the personalities of the one's he absorbed them from. ...Evolutions...

I never knew that Peter had to remember people to use the power he'd absorbed (in S1 I guess?) until I saw it in BTE.

Updated: Added Adam Monroe to possible power donors. He obviously knew Peter during the missing 4 months and if the Company was after him and had a file on him, there is a good chance he had powers.

Sounds like a good call NG. Should we add Ivan to the list somewhere? We have to assume he had powers, since he was one of the 12 (right?). HRG seems to be the only non-super who has worked at the Company.

Sounds like a good call NG. Should we add Ivan to the list somewhere? We have to assume he had powers, since he was one of the 12 (right?). HRG seems to be the only non-super who has worked at the Company.

I took Ivan's position to be more like Eric Robinson's was, a Supervisor of sorts. I don't think he said anything about starting the Company (with the 12), but I may have missed it. :)

I'm still holding out on HRG having a power, I don't know exactly why, but I expect him to bust out with something shocking. Seems like he should since he was taken on as an agent.

Updated:
Moved Alchemy Bob from 'On the Table' to possible (meaning Peter should have his powers but hasn't used them).

Good call. Can't wait to see Peter killing someone by turning them into gold. Very Goldfinger, no?

Petrelli, Peter Petrelli.

Updated:
Added Victoria Pratt to possible power donors
Removed Adam Monroe from possible donors
Added Adam to the healing power donor list

I'm afraid we'll never get to know Victoria's or Kaito's powers. :(

This being Heroes with all of the time jumping, I wouldn't be so sure ;)

Maybe it is buried in the records at Primatech Paper?

Updated:
Separated out Ma/dro into Maya & Alejandro since one is a Sylar victim and one isn't (anymore).
Also updated Eden since I think we can also consider Matt as having the power of suggestion now as well.

I was going to put curing blood in for a Peter Power but I don't know that we can say his blood will cure like Adam/Claire's yet. However I did make a small adjustment and clarified that Linderman's power was healing by touch and that Clarie/Adam's power was regeneration.

Did you watch Tin Man, BTW? I think the lion stole Linderman's power!

Not yet, rationing for the strike...

Yikes this thread hasn't been updated in a while.

I have been putting off updating it so far this season because with all of the time jumping and not knowing if Peter is Future Peter or Past Peter, my brain exploded trying to keep track of it all.

I filled in what I could for now but will have to go back to watch to get things straight. Any input would be hugely appreciated.

Some mind-bending questions...
If PPeter is near FPeter, does he absorb all of the powers that FPeter has?

If they are successful in changing the space-time continuum, but PPeter has absorbed powers in the future...does PPeter give up those up even though his STC isnt completely altered, just the events around him?

we'll hit reset on this one for now