I find it very interesting the there are so many venomous comments about Kate made by Mod edited Since they are allowed to vent in that particular area - I should be allowed the same freedom to vent for the good.

Every one of the characters in this show is flawed. Several of them have committed murder and more than once, yet, it seems, Kate is singled out and condemned more than any other of the females. We haven't been shown the whole story, how can you make such a decision when there are still huge pieces missing?

In a lie that she didn't create - she is blamed for having Aaron - first it was taking Aaron (she's been cleared of that) - I don't think there was a choice in Jack's lie?

Aaron seems well cared for.

Now, Kate is to be solely responsible for not trying to find Claire, even when Claire comes to visit her and tells her not to bring Aaron back to the Island.

There is noting wrong with Evie's acting. She is very capable. If you are young and attractive, there are people that are going to discount your abilities. Sad to say, it appears females are more critical of other females, quicker to tear you down than offer support. We we should change that.

Why am I taking this stance with Kate? I like her character but I think she is being unjustly attacked. Until certain pieces are provided, there remain giant gaps in Kate's past, the mitigating circumstances - if she were a very plain girl, I hope I would treat her just the same.

When I feel particularly inspired and can't comment in restricted threads I will come here and offer support for Kate and point out some goodness in her actions.

Good things Kate did:

Pilot episode:
Sew up Jack.
After the monster chases them tells Charlie they have to go back for Jack.
Kate is nice to Charlie - when he says he's a coward - she tells him he's not
When they are being chased (Polar Bear) Kate tells everyone to move and is concerned for Sawyer.
In the plane crash she puts the oxygen mask on the Marshal - (if she was as cold-blooded as she's been accused, it would have been easy to let him die right then.)

I agree whole-heartedly; Kate is no monster. She's done a lot of pretty amazing, flat out brave things on the island. You cited quite a few examples from the Pilot, and I know there are many, many more throughout each season: just one example being her attempt to go after Locke to help when he went down the hatch in MOSMOF, despite Jack telling her not to.

I also concur with your observation about people being flawed; it's what makes them real. I also commented on this on another Kate related thread: she's making the best of a tough situation, post island. And none of the characters are perfect, none. They've all made their share of mistakes, some more glaring and perhaps criminal than others. But they've all messed up at some point.

I find Evie's acting very believable, and solid. She seems to have grown well into Kate's role, and she's managed to convey different aspects of her in a very real, and to me, likeable way. Her good looks, thought very obvious, are also played down quite a bit at least on the island. What I mean is, she's usually sans makeup, wearing an old T, looking exactly the way she should look considering the situation, and yet she comes off very natural and yes, attractive, but never artificially so.

Re murders, I'd say quite a few of our Losties have notched that up, haven't they? Charlie, Sun and Hurley among them, although for different reasons each.

Good thread! :)

Thanks, evanesco75

I've always liked Kate. But I think her character is a little bit more complex than just good and bad. I think she's good, but doesn't feel like she's good. She's filled with remorse for her actions in her life and is constantly trying to redeem herself. I agree that she is no more flawed than any other of the Losties. They all carry their own guilt.

As for Aaron, I think that is when she has finally evolved to a point of no longer trying to be good to redeem herself, and has just finally put someone else first (and by doing that I think she has finally redeemed herself in her own mind).

All the characters tip back and forth and it seems non of our Losties had a normal, happy childhood. It's such an example of how parents live their lives form their children's.

As I see it Kate's is trying to create a happy, safe environment for Aaron. She is thinking about his welfare and how harmful it would be to have a drunk, abusive person in his life.

At the trial :

Duncan: We make it about character. Not about what you did or didn't do, but about who you are.
Kate: What do you mean who I am?
Duncan: I want him in the courtroom.
Kate: Absolutely not.
Duncan: We need him, Kate. It will generate tremendous sympathy...
Kate: [Interrupting] Duncan, listen to me. You are not bringing him in here. Alright, you want to make this about me, about my character, fine. But you are not using my son.

I am making a guess the "him" they are talking about is Aaron. If that is so, she wasn't going to allow Aaron to be used or subjected to the media circus. And for the lie she has been forced to tell, she has to call Aaron her son.

I find it very compelling and even believeable how the writers have written Kate.

The episode "What Kate Did" was really monumental for me. You see in the newspapers over and over again where a child kills one of their parents. Usually abuse is involved. The details are different but the story is the same. Kate's story mirrors that. I'm not approving... applauding or conding the actions... but it's there.

She makes poor choices at times... but is often driven my the urge to defend someone she views as helpless or in need. Which is one reason why she seems a good choice of a guardian for Aaron.

Yes, it could be so easy for a person that has suffered abuse to fall into the victim pattern for the rest of their lives. Still I believe there is more to it than that.

SamG... as women, we naturally tear apart other women who are seen as strong, independent and beautiful. And we connect with the more motherly roles.

I could point out the things I don't like about Kate, but only as a character. As an actress, I believe they could not have found a better person for this role. She plays it brilliantly. We are supposed to see all Kate's shortcomings. It is the storyline. Possibly because Kate is going to end up doing or becoming something that will blow our minds. Could you imagine what Kate could become if she was more secure about herself??

There are things I don't understand about Kate, so they might seem unlikable but then I don't know the whole story, the pieces may seem very logical when all is revealed.

I'm not sure how happy I am with tearing down women or men for that matter. They all seem so damaged.

You are right SamG. I do not like the tendency to tear others apart. But we see it often on TV and in real life. Kates flirtatious scenes will make any feminist look down upon her character. I possibly have too much faith in TPTB, because I honestly believe she is very purposely being portrayed in a way that seems weak and manipulative for a specific reason.

And like your original post says. All the characters have flaws. We are supposed to notice them. And see the character growth and change as the grow closer to the island. Or further away from the island.....

Someone observed that Kate seemed much stronger when they first crashed on the Island and the longer she stays on the Island the weaker she has become. We will have to see if TT plays a part or any other odd thing like spirits entering into people's bodies.

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SamG... I could not agree with you more.

A reminder -- discuss the character, the show, but NOT the posters. If bashing other posters whose opinions you disagree with becomes the primary topic of this thread, it will be closed.

Clarency... I hope you do not think our conversation about bashing Kate's character was directly pointed towards posters that do not like her character.

I guess I should be more specific in my posts and I am sorry that I was not. I was trying to point out the real life need to find faults in others. Not disagreeing or putting down anyone who dislikes Kates character. Because I for one am not a big fan of hers. But I can see purpose in her storyline.

Sorry Carencey - Just the show.

Tabula Rasa

Kate shares the information from the pilot about them being off course

Kate is worried about the Marshal - She knows he is going to die, so does Jack. The Marshal is in pain. She asks Jack if there is anything he could do for him?

She pulled Ray from the truck after it crashed.

The Marshal asks Kate to put him out of his misery but she can't do it.

Kate offers to tell Jack what she did but Jack doesn't want to know.

Kate asks that Ray Mullen get the reward for turning her in.

"good" is subjective. If Kate didn't try to take the wheel, there wouldn't have been an accident. If Kate wasn't on the run she wouldn't be on the Island, or would something else have happened to draw her there? If she wasn't trying to make a photo album for Sam's birthday, she would never have gotten the picture that placed him Korea so he couldn't be her father.

Sam, thanks for starting this thread. I think you and I have expressed a similar thought over the years that character-hate seems very strange.... the visceral reactions against Kate in particular continue to upset me, episode after episode.

As with all characters, we could list all the good and bad things she has done. Like the rest of the losties, she probably comes out fairly balanced in that regard.

However, I think it is the continued existance of the love triangle that has damaged her the most. It seems that people on both sides of the "shipper war" adore her when she is with their chosen man, but hate her when she isn't. People who don't care about the love story aspect of the show, or that particular one, find her waffling to be a time-suck or distraction from plots they prefer.

But Damon and Carlton have said that the romantic elements of the show are important, and moreso than just as ways to reach out to one part of the audience. In a show that aims to be about realistic, complex people, being torn between two love interests - and two sides of the self - isn't so unlikely.

I'm not doing a coherent job of stringing together my pro-Kate argument, but I think the situation around her is larger than her. It has to do with people's involvement with a fictional TV show, their feelings of ownership about it, their preferences as to what they want to see happen, their emotional investment in the happiness of certain characters....

Ok, ramble over. I look forward to hearing what others say. Glad this is in the "It's All Good" area, so we can keep a positive tone here. :)
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BTW, link to a mostly constructive conversation about why people care about Kate's love interest choice.
http://www.flicksnshows.com/showthread.php?t=94755

Most people kept it at the meta-level, analyzing why fan response is what it is, as opposed to just advocating for her to be with one person or another.

Jenny

Thanks for the link.

Thanks Sam for starting this thread.

Some very positive observations of Kate.

When she sees someone helpless, she would drop everything to tend to him or her.:)

Perfectly put, jennylee! You nailed it about people wanting to see her with their 'chosen one' and the ones who don't care, becoming rather frustrated over time because they want the triangle resolved so they can just move on with other things.

I too think the irrational 'hate' stems at least partly because people either like Jack, or Sawyer. Additionally, some viewers like Jack, for example, but feel Kate isn't 'good enough' for him. I don't agree, but naturally everyone's entitled to their opinions.

As for me personally, I've somehow managed to see her quite objectively, and take the bad with the good. As I said before, it makes her real. And while I don't condone murder, I can certainly understand, to a degree, that people react to difficult situations in their own, unique way. Rarely do people tackle an issue so as to satisfy everyone else; that just doesn't happen. Again, that's what makes her a multi-dimensional character.

I've always thought Evie did an exceptional job of combining the 'tough girl' with her vulnerable, conflicted and often insecure core. Even when she's doing something risky/ questionable, there is such genuine agony in her eyes, that I can't help trying to step into her shoes and just analyze what she's going through.
For example, when she visits Diane at the hospital in S1 (BTR, I think) and her childhood boyfriend (the doctor, forgetting his name?) gets killed, there is such shock and horror and disbelief in her. She never wanted that to happen, but it did, and she blames herself.

Similarly, she never comes off as a flighty flirt to me, with regard to the triangle. It's clear she cares for both men, and is torn over it. Again, kudos to Evie for doing the job so well. In TNPLH, for instance, when she's reunited with both Jack and Sawyer at the chopper, you can see she's pleased to see Sawyer, and you can also see her immediate, overriding concern for Jack. I can see how she might find it hard to make a final choice! I won't condone her vacillating, but isn't that exactly what a lot of people would do in her situation? I've seen it personally, more than once.

All right, now that was a lot of rambling! I'll shut up now :)

SamG... as women, we naturally tear apart other women who are seen as strong, independent and beautiful. And we connect with the more motherly roles.



If that was the case, then I would critcize characters like Ana-Lucia and Juliet, whom I like. They are strong women to me. Yes, they are flawed, but they struck me as a lot more strong than Kate.

Kate does not strike me as a strong character. Not really. Her strength seemed to have more to do with self-preservation. Otherwise, she strikes me as a rather weak and illusional person.

Why would you assume that ALL WOMEN tend to tear down other women who are considered strong?

Don't take posts too literally. I was speaking in general terms. Thanks for pointing it out to me... I honestly did not mean to say that every woman in the world sits in judgment of other women.

If that was the case, then I would critcize characters like Ana-Lucia and Juliet, whom I like. They are strong women to me. Yes, they are flawed, but they struck me as a lot more strong than Kate.

Interesting point... through the past seasons I have had the opposite experience.

With Kate, I have always felt that the way the episodes were presented... that she was placed in the heroine type role. And so I've always watched the Kate character from that point of view. On the other end of the spectrum... Ana Lucia and for me, Shannon were presented from the beginning in such a way that I felt negatively toward the character. As the motives behind their actions were revealed... I felt much more empathy toward them.

Kate's character has been much more complicated... for me... in the way it has been presented.

This thread is for positive posts about Kate. There is a separate thread for the negative, if there is anything negative anyone has to say please post it there.

Walkabout

Kate offers to help Sayid triangulate the the French Woman's transmission.
Kate takes Michael back to camp after the boar attack and Locke wanders off into the jungle.

Do No Harm

-Kate runs back to the beach camp to get medicine for a mortally wounded Boone.
-She runs across Claire who is going into labor and stays with her when Jin goes to get help.
-Kate helps deliver Aaron.


Tricia Tanaka is Dead

-Kate treks into the jungle to rescue Jack.

ETA: As long as you're pointing things out, Jack was definitely drunk, but he's hardly been shown to be "abusive" to Kate or Aaron and I think Kate knows that Jack would never ever hurt her physically. I think she's taking great care of Aaron, but I would also like to see Aaron back with his real mother, but in the mean time, Kate is doing a great job given the circumstances.

But in Kate's dream when she sees Claire, it has yet to be shown that Claire was talking about Aaron when she said don't bring him back. I know it seems the most obvious, but there's been theories about her meaning Ben or even Locke given the terrible things that supposedly happened because of one of them maybe.

Abuse (http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/abuse/a/990407.htm) What Jack did falls in several of these categories - Kate did the right thing.

http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive.htm

If the abuser is unwilling to own their behavior and seek help the prudent course of action is to remove yourself totally from the situation. This is painful, but is generally safer and ultimately better for both parties than allowing the cycle of abuse to continue.

Since we've seen Jack treat Sarah the same way, he has issues.

http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive_signs.htm

It's true that not all of them are Jack's fault, from what we've seen Jack was abused when he was a child.

Again this is a positive thread about Kate. In the situation we witnessed Kate did the correct thing.

Thanks for starting this thread, Sam. IMHO, LOST, at it's roots, is about redemption. Like everyone in real life, the Losties are flawed people, but they perservere in spite of themselves. And, also like real life, LOST is about "the journey" that the Losties take, both together and alone, and not about being perfect.

With Kate, I think that her strengths outweigh her weaknesses. What we see her say and do is all part of her storyline that's pushing her towards redemption. The same goes for all of the Losties, whether we like them or not. We have to see her struggle in order to see her succeed. And, I have no doubt that she will...

On a side note, I do think that you hit the proverbial nail on the head when you said that we don't have all of the information that we need in order to make a complete judgement of Kate and what she's all about. IMHO, there's something big that's in her past that we don't know, yet. However, when we do find "it" out, it will make things a lot clearer...and I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that she's knowingly time jumping...

...and I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that she's knowingly time jumping...

That blows my mind. It reminds me of the very first time we see Kate... rubbing her wrists in the jungle. I could buy that, Junie.

What we see her say and do is all part of her storyline that's pushing her towards redemption.

Also mind blowing. Almost all of the characters have a fatal (pun intended) flaw. But when Kate leaves the plane with the rest of the O6... it was sad to see her alone looking around. The writers have really written her well, I think, dealing with the cards she was dealt. Not sure how they're going to do it... but I'm sure the last seasons ahead will be amazing.

On a side note, I do think that you hit the proverbial nail on the head when you said that we don't have all of the information that we need in order to make a complete judgement of Kate and what she's all about.
I wonder when such an event could have taken place? Could it have to do with why she was specifically on the run in Australia, which we STILL do not know? Could it be why she was awake and saw the whole crash? And what DID she see? These questions are going to haunt me if the show ends without answering them.
Also mind blowing. Almost all of the characters have a fatal (pun intended) flaw. But when Kate leaves the plane with the rest of the O6... it was sad to see her alone looking around. The writers have really written her well, I think, dealing with the cards she was dealt. Not sure how they're going to do it... but I'm sure the last seasons ahead will be amazing.I found this one of the most powerful Kate scenes to date. I really felt for her. I so wanted Sam to be there. Why wasn't he? :frown:

This thread is for positive posts about Kate. There is a separate thread for the negative, if there is anything negative anyone has to say please post it there.

Walkabout

Kate offers to help Sayid triangulate the the French Woman's transmission.
Kate takes Michael back to camp after the boar attack and Locke wanders off into the jungle.


There are people making postitive comments about Kate on an anti-Kate thread.

There are people making postitive comments about Kate on an anti-Kate thread.

That should probably be taken up in that thread. Coming here and posting negative posts, on purpose, is breaking the rules. It is baiting and is instigating someone to retaliate. Not biting.

White Rabbit

Kate is concerned for Jack after Joanna drowned.
Kate befriends Claire
Kate takes care of Claire when she passes out
Kate suggests finding water in the jungle
Kate tells Sayid to back off when Sun shows up with a bottle of water

That should probably be taken up in that thread. Coming here and posting negative posts, on purpose, is breaking the rules. It is baiting and is instigating someone to retaliate. Not biting.

I'm not instigating a retaliation. I'm responding to a post.

I'm not instigating a retaliation. I'm responding to a post.

Ok, I've asked a MOD to decide.

There are people making postitive comments about Kate on an anti-Kate thread.

If the stated guidelines set up for a particular section are being violated, then the posts should be reported for a mod to review. It does NOT mean that you are free to then ignore the posted guidelines for other sections and threads. There is absolutely no clause in our rules that states that if you witness a rule being broken, you are then free to break it yourself. In addition, the "It's All Good" and "Not That Into You" boards are restricted -- other than that, in the general character sections, posting is not restricted to positive or negative.

Also, please do not continue the "Jack was/wasn't abusive" discussion here -- that one's been discussed quite a bit already, and doesn't need to be in a Kate thread.

There are people making postitive comments about Kate on an anti-Kate thread.
i was the one making positive comments on the anit-kate thread, and i am sorry. i went to new posts and saw a thread i had never seen and viewed it. i am not very familiar with the whole fuselage set up, but i am now. again, i am sorry, and i surely didn't want it to end up with you being angry enough to post unhappily on this thread.

i will stay here and not move!;)

I wonder when such an event could have taken place? Could it have to do with why she was specifically on the run in Australia, which we STILL do not know? Could it be why she was awake and saw the whole crash? And what DID she see? These questions are going to haunt me if the show ends without answering them.
I found this one of the most powerful Kate scenes to date. I really felt for her. I so wanted Sam to be there. Why wasn't he? :frown:jennylee27 - I do think that it has to do with why she was on the run in Australia, at least part of it. I think that if we knew more about that part of Kate's life, we'd know just about everything that's going on behind the scenes in LOST. I'd say that Kate being on the run in Australia, at least when we've seen it, has to do with Aaron. We migth not expect that to be connected now, because Kate met Aaron after she crashed on the Island. However, with time jumping, some things can be explained...

And...the only thing that I can't think of storyline-wise as to why Sam wasn't there is that he couldn't make contact with her and not let her go. I know that trial happened, etc., but it's got to be connected to Kate's backstory and some of the things that we don't know about her relationship with Sam and Sam's connection to the big mysteries of LOST...

j I'd say that Kate being on the run in Australia, at least when we've seen it, has to do with Aaron. We migth not expect that to be connected now, because Kate met Aaron after she crashed on the Island. However, with time jumping, some things can be explained...
SERIOUSLY, do NOT mess with me like that! :eek2::eek2::eek2: If we found that out, I would be totally boggled.

This show has made me into a LOST Geek, jennylee! I blame the show, but I love the show...;)

Kate is one of the factors that kept me hooked.

Her miserable past and her attempts to redeem herself has me watching and hoping that she can find happiness.

I mean, she delivered a baby boy, rescued Charlie, performed medical assistance, dig Jack out of a cave in.

OMG! i just watched that cave in episode (the moth?) and i love that scene where she barely makes it up to jack and hugs him. if he didn't know before how much she cared, he did right then;).

every scene she has, she uses it to the fullest. i also loved Do No Harm the most because it had so much action for a lot of the characters. when jack poked that tube in boone's chest, her expression was major!

Well, today she is all about protecting Aaron.

Well, today she is all about protecting Aaron.


when she got off the plane with aaron and no one was there to meet her, her bond with aaron was apparent by how she snuggled with him. he, at that moment, became her family. babies love unconditionally, and we can see in the flashbacks how wonderful a mother kate is. i'm happy she had aaron. if she has to give him back to claire when they go back, it's gonna be sad:frown:.

It will be sad but as long as Claire is Claire, I don't think Kate would hesitate to give him back.

I think Kate is trying to make sure that Aaron just grows up safe and happy.

when she got off the plane with aaron and no one was there to meet her, her bond with aaron was apparent by how she snuggled with him. he, at that moment, became her family. babies love unconditionally, and we can see in the flashbacks how wonderful a mother kate is. i'm happy she had aaron. if she has to give him back to claire when they go back, it's gonna be sad:frown:.

It will be sad but as long as Claire is Claire, I don't think Kate would hesitate to give him back.

I think Kate is trying to make sure that Aaron just grows up safe and happy.

I agree on both of your points.

Poor Kate. Who knows where Sam was but that hopefully will be explained.

As for her loving Aaron, what else is she supposed to do with him? His birth mother is somewhere but apparently is under the influence of a greater power. I mean Claire wouldn't abandon her newborn son.

Kate was given to Aaron under dangerous circumstances and right now, he seems to have grown up alright.

The new promo for season five was making my heart jitter. "Where are we going, mummy?" "For a vacation" - and Kate takes Aaron's hand....and they go...and now what?

She's not supposed to leave the state, and if she does, she might end up in jail again....unless they'll all stay on that island forever. And if she will go back to the island, how is she going to explain to Aaron that "Oh, baby I love you so much but I'm not really your mummy, that blonde woman over there is." ? :(

I love Claire, and I'm all for her getting Aaron back, but sometimes I think it would be so much better if Aaron would never find out the truth....my heart just goes out for Kate here, she's loved that child and raised him for 3-4 years....

and i totally agree with you, Kate, i think that she is going to have a very hard time, like a lot of adoptive moms do when they have to give up their kids. i think that evi will play it will such excellence, and it will break our hearts as well.

but, really, we have no idea how the outcome is going to be. maybe if they do stay on the island and they are all together, someone has posted before that it takes a village to raise a child;)!

Yes, I agree with what you both said. One sad thing is that people will likely use Kate's grief over having to give Aaron back as ammunition against her character. :undecide:

kate is a strong character. she took charge from the very beginning of the show. she has decided to change her life to the way she, really, has always wanted it.

i just cannot wait to see her back in action!

What I love about LOST promos in particular is that they are so much out of context that the episode is still fresh even after seeing them. So the Kate scene may play out totally differently in the episode than it does now in our imaginations. :)

I can't believe I have just found this thread! I love the OP Sam G, & I so agree.


The new promo for season five was making my heart jitter. "Where are we going, mummy?" "For a vacation" - and Kate takes Aaron's hand....and they go...and now what?

She's not supposed to leave the state, and if she does, she might end up in jail again....unless they'll all stay on that island forever. And if she will go back to the island, how is she going to explain to Aaron that "Oh, baby I love you so much but I'm not really your mummy, that blonde woman over there is." ? :(

I love Claire, and I'm all for her getting Aaron back, but sometimes I think it would be so much better if Aaron would never find out the truth....my heart just goes out for Kate here, she's loved that child and raised him for 3-4 years....

OMG the promo rocks! I'm so excited to see where exactly they'll go on vacation, the Island or somewhere else to avoid going to the island (because of what Claire told her) .. And yes there will be the risk of ending up in jail if she violated their agreement, but I'm speculating that she's willing to risk it.


Viva La Kate! :biggrin:

Yes, I agree with what you both said. One sad thing is that people will likely use Kate's grief over having to give Aaron back as ammunition against her character. :undecide:

Or they will assume she is grieving over something or someone else when it's really all about Aaron.


This is a good thread because while tptb may have tarnished certain aspects of Kate's character, she has and always will be the female lead and she plays it beautifully! :biggrin:

:) With Evi on the lead, how could anyone ever get tired of Lost? :D

:) With Evi on the lead, how could anyone ever get tired of Lost? :D

not me. i couldn't wait to see who jj was going to put in the female lead since i loved sydney bristow so much. i thought she would be tough as nails, but even with her past history, she was so likeable. i was worried that her niceness toward jack was just a facade and it would fade once everyone knew who she was and what she had done. but it was just the opposite. i have loved her character from the moment she appeared in the pilot and i cannot imagine the show without her. i know she cannot be in every scene;) but i can't stand it when she's not in an episode much!

i look forward to her storyline the most!

Well, I could just quote everything you've said here...including that about Sydney....and it would be true in my case as well. :)

Well, I could just quote everything you've said here...including that about Sydney....and it would be true in my case as well. :)


great minds think alike:hug:

I agree with all the Kate love, but I have to sheepishly admit that I sometimes enjoy an episode where her character is ramped down. At least then I don't have to listen to too much bashing. :undecide:

I agree with all the Kate love, but I have to sheepishly admit that I sometimes enjoy an episode where her character is ramped down. At least then I don't have to listen to too much bashing. :undecide:


i'm sure she'll have plenty of bad days on the island.

i'm sure she'll have plenty of bad days on the island.

Nope, it's all going to be smooth sailing back on the island. This is Lost, by the way! ;)

I agree with all the Kate love, but I have to sheepishly admit that I sometimes enjoy an episode where her character is ramped down. At least then I don't have to listen to too much bashing. :undecide:

Unfortunatley, the bashing is non stop from the haters.

Nope, it's all going to be smooth sailing back on the island. This is Lost, by the way! ;)

I like your thinking.

Anyway, Kate has been through so much. It is not like she choose her life.

Adam I adore Kate, yet, I think, we're going to find out that she did choose some unlikely things, as a sacrifice.

I know Kate takes a lot of heat because of the triangle but I just love her character. Shes in my top three characters. I think there is so much more to her than meets the eyes.

Adam I adore Kate, yet, I think, we're going to find out that she did choose some unlikely things, as a sacrifice.

well, one big sacrifice was taking aaron as her son. even though the tot is adorable, kate has made it clear that she's not great with kids. she's given her life and turned it around for the boy only to possibly give him up in the future.

also, going back to the island is not staying "put" according to court documents. she may never be able to go back!

well, one big sacrifice was taking aaron as her son. even though the tot is adorable, kate has made it clear that she's not great with kids. she's given her life and turned it around for the boy only to possibly give him up in the future.

also, going back to the island is not staying "put" according to court documents. she may never be able to go back!


I think Kate likes kids fine. When she was talking to Claire, considering TT, she may have known that Claire had a limited time with Aaron and wanted Claire to be with him as much as possible.

I think Kate likes kids fine. When she was talking to Claire, considering TT, she may have known that Claire had a limited time with Aaron and wanted Claire to be with him as much as possible.

so you think that kate knew that aaron and claire were going to be separated and that she was going to be caring for him? if that's the case, why question miles if they "know who she is" if she already knew that she'd be back in LA with a slap on the wrist and a baby in her home?

I doubt Kate can look into the future if that is what your implying.

She probably has a weak spot for small children, but that is another reason why I love her.

[quote=adam8023;2053870]I doubt Kate can look into the future if that is what your implying.
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not me, dear!! to me, kate is just a normal, very cool chick. she has no super powers. she is destined to be on that island, meet jack, care for aaron and make a great change in her life. :kisss:

LOL.

I just love her with Aaron. The season 5 first episode is at least partially about them, and that table scene is so adorable, the way Kate smiles to Aaron and he smiles back....and then that awful knock on the door....can't wait to see more of them.

i feel her panic!

But you can also envy her because you know who she gets to spend the rest her life with!:kiss:

:eek1:what's wrong with me? why didn't i think of that!

you are the master!:love0072: that's why i like you so much1

Hey, do you guys mind keeping the shipping preferences out of this thread? I think we can all express our mutual love and respect for Kate's character without having to go to places that will make people disagree in those old tired ways.

Yes, Please.

Everyone is allowed their preferences but there are threads for them already.

So can we please keep this just about Kate?

you're right. sorry.

kate is awesome no matter what. i thought the confidence she exudes in her home with aaron is great. she never thought she could stop running. even when she was happily married, she wasn't really happy. she just wanted an excuse to run. but things changed so much for her when she came back. she could have taken aaron and booked as soon as she returned from the island. she was a pro and could have done it, but she didn't. and she certainly looked happy at hurley's party and at the funeral.

i just hope that no matter what she doesn't go through so much pain with her love for aaron:frown:

Yeah...I don't want Kate to loose Aaron either. If Claire is alive, then it's understandable if Aaron is reunited with her, but at least let Kate visit him often.....
BUT if Claire is dead, then Kate really is the best mummy for him. :)

and i've said on other threads that i wondered if claire is dead and she's a ghostie if she could even care for aaron.

maybe they can all live on the island together, happily ever after!:fingersx:

i love you, kate

i love you, kate


that is awesome!:jump1:

Relax, hun. You'll see her soon.

^^^I'm just looking forward to seeing her over the next two seasons and I hope she appears in front of the cameras for the majority of 5 and 6.

Ugh, the "mini Kate rant" thread is killing me. I had to unsubscribe - I'm not willing to continue reading, even to defend my own points. Stopping by for an antidote to the sickness that is rampant Kate bashing. Let's show this character some love!

I just can't bother anymore. "Disco Jellyfish" to them all.

I should know better. But when I posted, the thread was quite small. I was maybe post 3 or 4? But the rapid, vicious hatred of Kate is something that continues to stun me, over and over again.

Maybe they will move it to the "Not so into you" thread.

I doubt it. The Kate bashing is everywhere -- episode reviews, topics about the O6, Claire... Actually, now that I say it that way, I think the thing that stuns me is how much Kate-haters seem to watch the show through Kate-hating glasses. It's like it's their primary focus. I don't get it.

I doubt it. The Kate bashing is everywhere -- episode reviews, topics about the O6, Claire... Actually, now that I say it that way, I think the thing that stuns me is how much Kate-haters seem to watch the show through Kate-hating glasses. It's like it's their primary focus. I don't get it.

I feel for you! I really do because this happens not only to Kate but to other characters as well. It was the same with Charlie and it continues to be the same with Jack.

I understand disliking a character, but when that dislike gets to insane levels it's just weird. Kate's not my favorite by a long shot, but what's with the hating? Why invest so much time in negative, bitter posts?

I don't get it either. {{{Hugs jenny and Sam}}} :kiss:

Thanks CL! :hug: I don't remember reading much Charlie stuff, but certainly the Jack stuff is out there too. He's not my #1 character, and neither is Locke, but most people would NEVER know that about me, as I spend less than 1% of my time on negative posts. What IS the point?

there are just characters that fans love to hate.

it really is hard. but everytime i read something, my fingers get all itchy and the only thing i can do it beat my keys in defense!:eek2:

i thought kate was great in this episode and i'm really excited to see the continuation of the scene hopefully this week!

Ugh, the "mini Kate rant" thread is killing me. I had to unsubscribe - I'm not willing to continue reading, even to defend my own points. Stopping by for an antidote to the sickness that is rampant Kate bashing. Let's show this character some love!

I should know better. But when I posted, the thread was quite small. I was maybe post 3 or 4? But the rapid, vicious hatred of Kate is something that continues to stun me, over and over again.

I doubt it. The Kate bashing is everywhere -- episode reviews, topics about the O6, Claire... Actually, now that I say it that way, I think the thing that stuns me is how much Kate-haters seem to watch the show through Kate-hating glasses. It's like it's their primary focus. I don't get it.

I find all the Kate hating to be uncalled for even if she is not featured in an episode.

I try defending her but I get shot down constantly with my back against the wall.

Glad to see that I'm not alone.:)

Thanks CL! :hug: I don't remember reading much Charlie stuff, but certainly the Jack stuff is out there too. He's not my #1 character, and neither is Locke, but most people would NEVER know that about me, as I spend less than 1% of my time on negative posts. What IS the point?

The Jack bashing is beyond belief around here. But that Kate thread isn't so "MINI" is it? Not to mention that SamG is right, it is baiting and bashing, not to mention a bit shippery in there, all of which are not supposed to be allowed. I'd love to see what any one of the people who hate Kate would do in her situation. She is hardly a villain or any of the other names she's being called. Oh ya, and SHE'S NOT REAL! SHE'S A TELEVISION CHARACTER!

I used to question alot of things Kate did, and I do still question some of them, but now that I know the whole story I understand a lot of it much better.

Look at it like this, it takes an amazing actress to generate as much discussion as she does, so she is doing something right. (so is Matthew Fox, given the amount of discussion his character causes.)

And Adam, pay no attention to the people that shoot you down for your defense of Kate. I have been defending Kate and/or Jack for years and I've been called every name in the book, seriously. I don't, unlike others, attack posters simply because they have a preference that I don't happen to agree with. I've had lovely PM's sent to me that were crazy rants about my defense of Kate and/or Jack. You just keep posting what you believe in and what you like about the show. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Evi's character is LOVED BY MILLIONS of people, or she wouldn't be the female star/lead of this amazing television show.

So lover her or hate her, she's not going anywhere!:biggrin:

The Jack bashing is beyond belief around here. But that Kate thread isn't so "MINI" is it? Not to mention that SamG is right, it is baiting and bashing, not to mention a bit shippery in there, all of which are not supposed to be allowed. I'd love to see what any one of the people who hate Kate would do in her situation. She is hardly a villain or any of the other names she's being called. Oh ya, and SHE'S NOT REAL! SHE'S A TELEVISION CHARACTER!

I used to question alot of things Kate did, and I do still question some of them, but now that I know the whole story I understand a lot of it much better.

Look at it like this, it takes an amazing actress to generate as much discussion as she does, so she is doing something right. (so is Matthew Fox, given the amount of discussion his character causes.)

And Adam, pay no attention to the people that shoot you down for your defense of Kate. I have been defending Kate and/or Jack for years and I've been called every name in the book, seriously. I don't, unlike others, attack posters simply because they have a preference that I don't happen to agree with. I've had lovely PM's sent to me that were crazy rants about my defense of Kate and/or Jack. You just keep posting what you believe in and what you like about the show. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Evi's character is LOVED BY MILLIONS of people, or she wouldn't be the female star/lead of this amazing television show.

So lover her or hate her, she's not going anywhere!:biggrin:


Doc and CrazyL are right Adam, JennyLee, Sam and Max... I think the hardest thing is that the majority of people (whether or not you like the character) want to discuss things in a 'neutral' or 'these are the reasons I have' for this post type of way. Meaning...calm debate is fine.

I'm very glad they closed that thread this morning because that's not what was going on. There was alot of snapping at people for having a different opinion, and that's not right.


They say things under the guise of defending their stance...and it's not shown in a very mature way. There are things that Kate sometimes does that can be annoying (but isn't the entire point that the all have faults?) and that's why I went into the thread to begin with... Don't worry about them (they're going happily about their posting) and so should you!;)


Let's not forget that we also have the private chat section (currently unused) that LipGloss started awhile back, for when we need to vent with extra TNT.:blowup: :D

I have no vested interest in any of the relationships - I just want the story to get told.
I like reading the theories and people's observations about the episodes -

I don't like reading the bashing of any of the characters as soon as their name is mentioned. It soon turns into another long list of rights and wrongs by each and every character, add the latest episode. Then everyone that agrees or disagrees, quotes the extremely long post they agreed with, to show their support of which ever side they are on. The point of the thread is usually lost, it's 20 pages long of quoted long quotes, people resort to seeing just how far they can push someone and a MOD steps in and has to lock the thread. Which came first the bash or the defense? :a015:

:trollaf7::ignore::thankyou:

Disco Jellyfish humm....maybe I can find a smilie for that.

^^^I got the message.

Kate has done more good than wrong.

Well, I am a little overwhelmed by all the strong responses! :redface: I should say, I am also not a fan of the flip-side of the situation, which is blind advocating for a character or ship, to the exclusion of all thoughtfulness and consideration of other posters' opinions.

I mean, let's say we are talking about something random, like the mixed feelings of the O6 about going back to the island (I'm making this up here). Someone mentions they have an issue with Kate's stance. Some people go off on their Kate-hatred. Immediately, several people do the same kind of knee-jerk post about Kate's awesomeness, which only makes the Kate-haters more incensed. Comments about who Kate is destined to be with romantically, which have nothing to do with the topic at hand, also get thrown in. The Kate-haters get annoyed at too much triangle-y shipper fighting. And the cycle continues until threads get closed and posters start to have personal antagonism toward other people whom they have never met.

I mean, really, that all makes me very sad. And so, speaking of going OT (as in my example), I had to say that this is why I like this thread. Because we DON'T have to resort to knee-jerk protection of her. We can just talk about her. And not who she belongs with romantically (if anyone). JUST her. Whew!
Let's not forget that we also have the private chat section (currently unused) that LipGloss started awhile back, for when we need to vent with extra TNT.
Are you talking about the private Jate board or something else? :confused:

^^^It is a social group on the fuselage.

Ahhh...

BTW, sorry so soap-boxy tonight, everyone.

Just jumping in now...

Kate's one of my favorite characters. Well, I actually love most of the characters. But how do people not see the good and the bad in all of them? And even if they don't see the good, don't they see how it all fits into the greater scheme of the show? Example: I cannot stand the character of Locke. But I totally see the point of him in the show. He brings so much to it. And TOQ is amazing.

And the obsession with only seeing your own side in arguments is *killing* me lately. There is not ONE SINGLE place in this whole board where you can have a conversation about the merits of the love triangle. Tons of people do NOT want to talk about it. So good. Don't. But anyone who wants to talk about it calmly is unable, because of the one-sided views from the two viewpoints. And it makes me sad. And then you can't even discuss it in your own shipper thread, because someone from the other ship might come in and complain. So, you have to go to a private board. But I don't want to discuss it with people who all have the same bias as me!!
GAH!

Sorry. Now I feel bad that I ranted.

Kate is a very deep character with a lot of different aspects to her personality and there are definitely things we don't know about her. I don't think it's fair to tear her down just because she is torn between two mean. She makes bad decisions in life, but she is thinking with her heart so much.

Maybe that's her biggest fault: thinking with her heart instead of her head.

shrug

With the way things are happening on the show, I'm not even even going to say Kate made a bad decision, yes, she's still alive.

With the way things are happening on the show, I'm not even even going to say Kate made a bad decision, yes, she's still alive.

As lo0ng as she stays alive and active, I'll be content.:)

I'm so glad some people still loves her because she is Kate & not just because she is either with Sawyer or Jack.

It's nice to read this thread for the Kate love:heart:--there has been so much animosity towards her almost everywhere these days.

I don't like reading the bashing of any of the characters as soon as their name is mentioned. It soon turns into another long list of rights and wrongs by each and every character, add the latest episode.:yes::rolleyes:



Which came first the bash or the defense? :a015:

Disco Jellyfish humm....maybe I can find a smilie for that.

I was just going to say...What is a disco Jellyfish?!:biglaugh:I like that description for trolls though !!


. And the cycle continues until threads get closed and posters start to have personal antagonism toward other people whom they have never met.

I mean, really, that all makes me very sad.
Are you talking about the private Jate board or something else? :confused:

That's very well said, and is the worst part. Here is the link to the private section that LipGloss started awhile back. It's kind of got tumbleweed floatin' through it so maybe we need to use it more. It's a bit like the private JATE board (the one I keep asking to join and no one has approved *coughlolcough*)...;)

We Love KATE (http://forum.thefuselage.com/group.php?do=discuss&discussionid=1)


New phrases for us of the week :: " Gun Totin' Island Hoppin' Extraordinaire"

and "Disco Jellyfish" :biggrin:
100%
Just jumping in now...

Kate's one of my favorite characters. Well, I actually love most of the characters. But how do people not see the good and the bad in all of them? And even if they don't see the good, don't they see how it all fits into the greater scheme of the show? Example: I cannot stand the character of Locke. But I totally see the point of him in the show. He brings so much to it. And TOQ is amazing.

And the obsession with only seeing your own side in arguments is *killing* me lately. There is not ONE SINGLE place in this whole board where you can have a conversation about the merits of the love triangle. Tons of people do NOT want to talk about it. So good. Don't. But anyone who wants to talk about it calmly is unable, because of the one-sided views from the two viewpoints. And it makes me sad. And then you can't even discuss it in your own shipper thread, because someone from the other ship might come in and complain. So, you have to go to a private board. But I don't want to discuss it with people who all have the same bias as me!!
GAH!

Sorry. Now I feel bad that I ranted.

Kate is a very deep character with a lot of different aspects to her personality and there are definitely things we don't know about her. I don't think it's fair to tear her down just because she is torn between two mean. She makes bad decisions in life, but she is thinking with her heart so much.

Maybe that's her biggest fault: thinking with her heart instead of her head.

shrug


I wouldn't feel bad...I'm sure there are people that are totally neutral, Skaters, Jaters, etc etc...that feel the same on both sides and everything in between. It's just the one or two bad apples that have to spoil the bunch, as the saying goes. It gets frustrating, just keep in mind there are still plenty of thoughtful and insightful fans. :)

--there has been so much animosity towards her almost everywhere these days.

See, Kate and Jack do have something in common!;)

I like Kate's character alot. I question some things she does, as I do with all the characters. AsLostLaura said above - I do not care for the character of Sawyer, however I see the reason behind his importance and not just in the "triangle" or whatever shape it happens to be today. I see the slow progression of the change in him, which I also understand is destined for something great that will most probably benefit ALL OF THEM. So love him or hate him, he's important to the overall story. Just as Kate is. If you watch the show from Day 1 and specifically focus on Kate, you will see all of the really great things that she has done. And most of the things she has done have been out of care and concern for another person, i.e., her mother, Jack, Sawyer, Kevin, etc. And whatever happened to Tom, you know that just devastated her, but she wanted to see her mother and that is how that whole thing started. Sure, it ended badly but she didn't mean for it to.

She was destined to run, now she doesn't. She could have stayed on the island and played make-believe for the rest of her life. But she went back KNOWING that she would have to face whatever consequences came her way for the things she had done. HOW is that a bad thing?

Every single character on the show has flaws and has made some very questionable decisions, alot of them at the expense of another's life. (well, with the exception of Jack who is absolutely, 100%, prime-time, Grade-A, PERFECTLY AMAZING.....oops, got off track for a second ;)) So why Kate is getting so much flak lately I don't understand either. I know that some of it is based on shipper preference and that is sad because her character is about so much more!

She's definitely changed in the 108 days since they crashed and that is not really a whole lot of time in the big scheme of things. And if it wasn't for some of the decisions she willingly made, and was forced to make, she might not be where she is right now.

People rant on about her calling Aaron her son. But basically he is her son. She's raised him from an infant and she is the only "mother" he has ever really known. She has grown to love him like a mother does and that bond is beyond anything a woman will ever have in life with anyone. So I completely understand her urgency in wanting to protect him. She had no idea who or what was doing this and the thought that, at any moment someone can come and take your child?? Well, it's not something you just sit around and wait for.

Look back at Kate from the very beginning and really try to see and understand why she did some of the things she did and it is really not as villainous as some would make it seem. She's a good person with a heart that is learning more and more to care about other people before herself and that is a GOOD thing.

Sorry for my rant, but people who HATE a character that much are wasting alot of time watching a show where the female star and lead just happens to be the person you hate the most on the show. :confused: Curiouser and curiouser!:undecide:

See, Kate and Jack do have something in common!;):laugh:!!



I like Kate's character alot. I question some things she does, as I do with all the characters. AsLostLaura said above - I do not care for the character of Sawyer, however I see the reason behind his importance and not just in the "triangle" or whatever shape it happens to be today. I see the slow progression of the change in him, which I also understand is destined for something great that will most probably benefit ALL OF THEM. So love him or hate him, he's important to the overall story.

Oh Doc, was that a Shipper-slip?...She said LOCKE!:biglaugh::msn-wink::biglaugh:



Just as Kate is. If you watch the show from Day 1 and specifically focus on Kate, you will see all of the really great things that she has done. And most of the things she has done have been out of care and concern for another person, i.e., her mother, Jack, Sawyer, Kevin, etc. And whatever happened to Tom, you know that just devastated her, but she wanted to see her mother and that is how that whole thing started. Sure, it ended badly but she didn't mean for it to.

She was destined to run, now she doesn't. She could have stayed on the island and played make-believe for the rest of her life. But she went back KNOWING that she would have to face whatever consequences came her way for the things she had done. HOW is that a bad thing?

It's NOT! ...but...I still have plenty of suspicions of her motives. Possibly even Widmore related (having to report back perhaps? That would explain ala raft too: anyone else think she might have slipped Joanna a mickey?). There's no doubt in my mind that she's a plant of some kind...and I still love her anyway, because that's just how JJ writes for women. Amazing, unpredicatable...WTH did she just do?! Characters. *Think Alias...watch initial Sidney and you'll see plenty of Austen in there* BTW...A big money connection would also explain (god would it!) the sham of a trial. I think someone paid someone off big time....it wasn't just the murder she was up for but a string of felonies. Even Diane and her big bad oxygen tank couldn't get her off free and clear. Mark my words...someone was pulling serious stings...But now I'm ranting. :biggrin:


Every single character on the show has flaws and has made some very questionable decisions, alot of them at the expense of another's life. (well, with the exception of Jack who is absolutely, 100%, prime-time, Grade-A, PERFECTLY AMAZING.....oops, got off track for a second ;)) Well, his shoulders are perfect...as are other things...but there was that girl in Thailand, and the tattoo issue...eh...*chuckles*


Sorry for my rant, but people who HATE a character that much are wasting alot of time watching a show where the female star and lead just happens to be the person you hate the most on the show. :confused: Curiouser and curiouser!:undecide:

The real reason they hate her so much is that they can't figure out what's going on inside her head. They say she's selfish....they say she can't make up her mind...but again...look at Alias, and you'll see alot of the same characteristics. Look in fact at our very own Sayid (and I'm a fan). He's done the same things...manipulated sexually, killed waaaaay more people than Kate(and she only did it out of desperation), has seen those he loves die...and no one says a word. He did a great deal of it...working for someone. See above theory. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

All excellent points LBK! And yes, I know Laura said "Locke" was the character she didn't prefer, I was saying that I didn't prefer "Sawyer" - but I understand why he's there and his importance in the grand scheme of things.

Kate is a plant huh? I never thought about that, but I will now. And I LOVE Alias and Sydney. I do see a lot of similarities in the two shows and a couple storylines.

Whatever Kate turns out to be or not to be, I like her character and think Evi has done an amazing job. The ONLY reason I don't like her is because even with no make-up on, all sweaty and grubby, she still looks absolutely beautiful. (that's not so much hate as it is flat out jealousy!!) :)

Lots of new ranting posts. I love it! :D
She was destined to run, now she doesn't. She could have stayed on the island and played make-believe for the rest of her life. But she went back KNOWING that she would have to face whatever consequences came her way for the things she had done. HOW is that a bad thing?
I have never 100% understood Kate's reasoning for leaving, actually. If people could respond without inserting any shipper digs, I would appreciate it.

I don't see Kate's on-island persona as playing pretend. Someone just started a thread in the Kate forum about who do you prefer, on-island or off-island Kate. Most people prefer on-island Kate, because she can be her natural self, no running, hiding, putting on fake names or suits instead of jeans and hiking boots. She can just be Kate. And leaving the island, she would obviously be facing jail time and/or more running. I'm not sure what in particular she thought she was going back to.

I can definitely see Kate not wanting to take Locke's side. She has said since S1 that she will take Jack's over Locke's. But just as Rose stayed with Jack but didn't want to leave, I could have seen Kate taking that route. Kate is also like Sayid (who I guess left for Nadia?), in that they will go along with the leader who they see as making the right call, but in the end retain their individual strong will. But, so were they all just leaving the island to escape Keamy, Ben, the smoke monster, etc? Were they going because they wanted to lead the red shirts to safety (and clearly that didn't work so well)? I just don't 100% understand Kate's motivations here. I know some will say it is because she wanted to be with Jack, but I have always seen her as a lot more complex and tougher than someone who needs to be with her man.
Kate is a plant huh? I never thought about that, but I will now.
Yes, there are some very long standing theories on this. Sam and Laura are more versed in them, I'm sure, but check out "Juice the Theory" and "Rebellious Rabbits" as starting points.

Jenny wrote:
I have never 100% understood Kate's reasoning for leaving, actually. If people could respond without inserting any shipper digs, I would appreciate it. I just don't 100% understand Kate's motivations here. I know some will say it is because she wanted to be with Jack, but I have always seen her as a lot more complex and tougher than someone who needs to be with her man.
:yes:



Jenny...Go check out the Ben/Kate lists on the K.A.T.E. main thread...imo I think it's all connected. I think despite what some people say...there is a very very real reason why we haven't seen her childhood yet (and who was involved in it)...and we have seen almost all the other main characters. If they showed hers now? It would unravel the entire point.

Anyway, Kate is raising Aaron well and being a good mother.

No one else would take Aaron in.

Think Alias...watch initial Sidney and you'll see plenty of Austen in there


i love her!!:glomp: and that's how i feel about kate. he takes these unknown women and brings them into our homes to root for every week. that's what we're doing for kate. we're rooting for her to shake off her past and make a good life for herself with or without aaron.

she deserves to be happy, just like sydney.

and i know how she could be happy:naughty:forever!

i love her!!:glomp: and that's how i feel about kate. he takes these unknown women and brings them into our homes to root for every week. that's what we're doing for kate. we're rooting for her to shake off her past and make a good life for herself with or without aaron.



Yes! JJ writes some seriously awesome stuff for women. Very unusual stuff at that! This is why nothing would really surprise me in the long run with this character!
:chopper:<<Kate "Born to be Wild...episode 2,000"

:chopper:<<Kate "Born to be Wild...episode 2,000"

i like that LBK. that's perfect!

I'm watching Punk'd in syndication and Evi & Harold are the target. They were good sports. The nicest one I've ever seen - Joss Stone - She was just going to be responsible and tried to just keep everyone calm.

LOL!! Evi cracks me up in that. Muttering " Don't get syphilis." :biglaugh:

Kate is the Sydney Bristow of Lost.

lol at LBK and 1DocLover: thanks for the clarification on the Locke/Sawyer thing. Ha. I do love me some Sawyer. Locke, not so much.

I'm watching Punk'd in syndication and Evi & Harold are the target. They were good sports. The nicest one I've ever seen - Joss Stone - She was just going to be responsible and tried to just keep everyone calm.

Did they get Punk'd in HI? I wish I saw that one.
Wish her house burning down was just bein Punk'd... :/ But with that, too, she was amazing too.

Re: Jenny's question -- why did Kate leave? I think it is that she sided with Jack over Locke, and because she still had this urge to RUN. I mean remember BTR and her trying to get on the raft? It didn't make sense then, and it still doesn't make sense. But I think with Kate, it is just sort of an illogical response that she has, because it is what she has been doing for soooo long. Which is why, theoretically, she is doing what is best and healthiest for her right now -- staying in one place with Aaron.
But people don't like that as much. Cause it's not the Kate we know and love and it's not being "true" to herself(?). I think what many of us want is for her to go back to the island and stay and find happiness there. Whether that's with one of the male leads, or not, okay. But if she could stop running, but also be true to herself, that would be when Kate has finally really come into herself. Or something.

I think what many of us want is for her to go back to the island and stay and find happiness there. Whether that's with one of the male leads, or not, okay. But if she could stop running, but also be true to herself, that would be when Kate has finally really come into herself. Or something.


Nice! Maybe that is the 'flaw' in Mikhail's statement, " Kate Austen you are flawed." regarding Jacob's list.

Although, personally...I think it's connected to that blood test Ben had ordered before she was placed in the cage...anyone remember that? ;)

and here is EVI GETS PUNK'D! (http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/145578/the-high-price-of-art.jhtml#id=1557697) :biglaugh:

IDK if i'd want her to be a plant in all of this, but boy, does it sound probable! i just hope that if she is, she will be redeemed and want not to be an other anymore.

that would explain the complete hatred between her and ben. and i do remember in the 4th finale when she went to cut his ropes. there was a huge hesitation in it. another thing, when she asked if they could go off the island, that's it. and with his response, i felt a tinge of weirdness in it all. she's never really had a lot of conversations wtih ben, yet when they do talk to each other, it's like they know each other.

and, see you've got me started:rolleyes:, that would explain why she was so adamant about leaving the island on the raft. to escape the island and the others! she had been dragged back without wanting to be involved and this was her escape. but the only thing is, wouldn't she have known that they wouldn't get very far?

i just love her, it doesn't matter what she does, but it would really be kind of awesome and an oh WTF moment for all those who do not like her. they would have to step back and at least admire her and see that she wasn't just this little bit of fluff that they all seem to think she is.

GO kate GO!!!:cheer:

^^^I doubt Kate is a plant for Ben. It is implausible.

Kate wouldn't betray the survivors.

i hope not, but it would be a mind blower!

^^^It would but it wouldn't make sense. She wouldn't endanger Jack, Aaron, or anyone else on the plan except the Marshall :D.

and here is EVI GETS PUNK'D! (http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/145578/the-high-price-of-art.jhtml#id=1557697) :biglaugh: lol, at least that one was clearly not her fault. She was upset, but knew it was her fault. Sometime the premises are way worse.

^^^I doubt Kate is a plant for Ben. It is implausible.

Kate wouldn't betray the survivors.

Maybe it's not so much as betrayal...as doing her job. Think Juliet in Left Behind...it's all about manipulation...Remember Cindy...and even Jack seemed perfectly fine once they were with them for awhile.I think they have to do certain things to keep outsiders at bay...including testing them psychologically and physically. Don't forget what Ed said...(and I say this as a Kate fan)..." Whatever she says, however she makes you feel...don't trust her...she's dangerous."

He was a jerk, without a doubt...but that was thrown in there for a reason. I also don't think it's a coincedence she didn't say very much at all (even on the initial treks) the first few days...maybe it was to gage people's reactions?
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lol, at least that one was clearly not her fault. She was upset, but knew it was her fault. Sometime the premises are way worse.


ROFL:biggrin: I know right? My favorite part is when the other woman is screeching at her from the doorway. " IT'S YOURS LADY!" and towards the end when Harold (he could barely keep a straight face LOL) kept pressing the remote and the music keeps coming on.She was totally freaked (probably even more than over the art) :roflmao:. I wonder if they made Harold leave the room, during the initial prank for that reason HAHA.

S1E3 Edward: Listen to me, no matter what she does. No matter how she makes you feel, don't you trust a word that she says. She will do anything to get away.

Slight correction, the Marshal doesn't say Kate's dangerous. Their relationship is very complicated. There are the underlying hints that Kate told the Marshal something that he is having a hard time believing, sometimes he thinks it's just a lie, yet somehow there's something in the story he believes.

If Kate was working for Ben, you'd think she'd make it a little easier to get back to the Island.

^^^I don't trust the marshall anyway but I'm still cautious of Kate.

But I love her for her caring yet tough nature.

S1E3 Edward: Listen to me, no matter what she does. No matter how she makes you feel, don't you trust a word that she says. She will do anything to get away.

Slight correction, the Marshal doesn't say Kate's dangerous. Their relationship is very complicated. There are the underlying hints that Kate told the Marshal something that he is having a hard time believing, sometimes he thinks it's just a lie, yet somehow there's something in the story he believes.

If Kate was working for Ben, you'd think she'd make it a little easier to get back to the Island.


He actually does say it...:biggrin: you got that from Lostpedia right? Here is from the transcript.


MARSHAL: (rasps) My jacket pocket.

JACK: (shakes his head) I don't --

MARSHAL: (insists) My jacket pocket.

JACK: Okay.

(Jack gets up and goes over to the other side of the Marshal to look through his
jacket pockets.)

(Jack finds a folded sheet of paper. He opens it up and looks at it.)

MARSHAL: Dangerous. She's dangerous.

(He finds mug shots of Kate from the HARRISON VALLEY POLICE, #961136.)




What if she dosen't want to get back, and yet knows she has no choice...? It's always been my belief that someone in her house (Diane? Wayne?Sam?...All?) was at some point... Dharma. Remember what else Ed said?

*direct from the transcript*

Ed: Hey--look at the bright side. There's an off-chance that they'll believe your story.
(tongue-firmly-in-cheek) I sure know I do.

Kate finally looks at him.An intense stare. For a reason were about to learn, she resents this man.

Kate: It dosen't matter what you believe.



Dosen't this reflect what the lawyer Agostini just put her through? "You brought this on yourself."...and as it turns out...he was working for, you know who.

Hypothetically...Why would someone wanted in almost every state flee purposely to a place where she could be extradited? She clearly had the 'talent' to disappear off the face of the earth for expanded time frames...Enough to get married, enough to even rob a bank in broad daylight.

What if it wasn't Bali she was intending to 'explore'(mentions this to Sun)...?



Here is another scene from the same epi...Tabula Rasa.

KATE: Put your gun back in your pants, Sawyer. Sayid's right. You keep
walking, you're not gonna make it to the beach.

SAWYER: Yeah, why's that?

(Kate doesn't answer him. Charlie has gone very still. He slowly turns his
head to glance sideways at Kate.)

KATE: (gravely) Trust me.


...This was after the long trek, that supposedly no one had ever seen the place before.




Rousseau (regarding captured Ben): " He will lie for a very long time."

In Tabula Rasa...

SAYID: (interrupts) No one's going to tell them anything. To relay what we
heard without fully understanding it will cause a panic. If we tell them what
we know, we take away their hope. And hope is a very dangerous thing to lose.

KATE: So we lie.



RAY MULLEN: Do they listen to Patsy Cline in Canada?

KATE (AS ANNIE): They listen to Patsy Cline everywhere.

There are only two other locations that we've heard Patsy playing in the background. It would be easy to blow it off...but is it? With this show?

1. The Swan.

2. The Othersville home she and Claire were sharing.



...Just tunes for thought.;)


Adam8023 wrote: But I love her for her caring yet tough nature.


Agreed!:cheers:

Why would someone wanted in almost every state flee purposely to a place where she could be extradited?


and i never understood in I Do why she called the marshall when she was supposedly happily married and safe from the "watchful eye of the FBI"? they had no idea where she was, yet she called them. then, even when he said that if she stayed put, he'd leave her alone (possibly). what does she do......run.

now, you've really got me thinking LBK. you sly girl, you!:budi:

and i never understood in I Do why she called the marshall when she was supposedly happily married and safe from the "watchful eye of the FBI"? they had no idea where she was, yet she called them. then, even when he said that if she stayed put, he'd leave her alone (possibly). what does she do......run.

now, you've really got me thinking LBK. you sly girl, you!:budi:


:gathring::cheers: !!!!!!! LOL MAX!

Like she was taunting/testing him right? That wasn't for some oh because I'm so in love with Kevin and want to settle down deal. Come on.

How about this?

Ben to Jack and Locke during the "got milk" scene:

"Wow, you guys have some real trust issues, don't you? Guess it makes sense she didn't tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all the time. Of course, if I was one of them - these people that you seem to think are your enemies - what would I do? Well, there'd be no balloon, so I'd draw a map to a real secluded place like a cave or some underbrush - good place for a trap - an ambush. And when your friends got there a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. Then they'd use them to trade for me. I guess it's a good thing I'm not one of them, huh?"


Kate to Ray Mullen: " I have trust issues."

....and whom exactly did the Others trade (when captured for a trek she wasn't supposed to go on---but for the first time went against Jack's choice) for all those hatch guns?:hypocrit: "Bring her out, Alex!"

My bad, I thought you were referring to that one specific quote.

I use Losthatch most of the time to get quotes, (season 1 - part of 4) easier to search but they don't have all of them now. Lostpedia has all the transcripts but harder to search quickly.

:gathring::cheers: !!!!!!! LOL MAX!

Like she was taunting/testing him right? That wasn't for some oh because I'm so in love with Kevin and want to settle down deal. Come on.

How about this?

Ben to Jack and Locke during the "got milk" scene:

"Wow, you guys have some real trust issues, don't you? Guess it makes sense she didn't tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all the time. Of course, if I was one of them - these people that you seem to think are your enemies - what would I do? Well, there'd be no balloon, so I'd draw a map to a real secluded place like a cave or some underbrush - good place for a trap - an ambush. And when your friends got there a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. Then they'd use them to trade for me. I guess it's a good thing I'm not one of them, huh?"


Kate to Ray Mullen: " I have trust issues."

....and whom exactly did the Others trade (when captured for a trek she wasn't supposed to go on---but for the first time went against Jack's choice) for all those hatch guns?:hypocrit: "Bring her out, Alex!"

YOU ARE K I L L I N G ME! :shock1:

now, i'm going to be up at night thinking about all of this stuff. i'm freaking convinced now.

and you just posted my all time favorite ben scene. when he did that i had goosebumps on my arms. it was a total Hostel flashback! he's sitting there crunching on his cereal and jack and locke are sharing some very serious looks.:roflmao: oh my goodness, you are making me remember just how much i love this show. we need some more WTF scenes like that.

i just watched The View, and daniel dae kim was on. they showed a clip:

the french team was looking for a friend, nadine (i think) and smokey was making an appearance. jin was looking all around for where it was going to land next and all of a sudden, nadine falls out of a tree, just like the pilot. and then jin yells RUN!

awesome scene. i am so excited for tomorrow. excited for the off island, but also on island.

....and whom exactly did the Others trade (when captured for a trek she wasn't supposed to go on---but for the first time went against Jack's choice) for all those hatch guns?:hypocrit: "Bring her out, Alex!"

I hate recalling that moment.

Makes my blood boil in anger against a certain Other.

I hate recalling that moment.

Makes my blood boil in anger against a certain Other.


How would you feel if she was a part of that moment though?;) (aside from I would still love her anyway!):biggrin:

I don't know.

If I could revisit that moment, I would go JCVD on her captors.:chair:

I'd do it for Kate Austen.

Anyone else disappointed by the lack of screen time for Kate this season so far?!:hissy:

Nah...I think she's even gotten EXTRA (island FB with Sawyer watching)...I mean that was a bonus IMO...she's gotten off island and on! LOL.

Plus...Dude...When her story finally comes to light, it will be sooooo worth it I bet! ;)

^^^You know how to perk me up.

Don't forget to visit and post in the K.A.T.E thread.

I can't be the only one to be in the good fight.

I'm loving Kate this

I like her too and I like this thread. I don't understand how it's so hard to answer a post without adding a negative comment about Kate. And I'm talking about in threads that are totally unrelated to Kate! It's so annoying. Not to mention, people hate it when it happens to Jack all over the place, yet they do the exact same thing about Kate. There's that old double-standard again.:rolleyes:

Her story is far from over and I can't wait to see the rest, Kate and all!:biggrin:

I agree, its so annoying when people do that, I think people are just jelous because Jack and Kate are the leads of the show.

I agree, it annoys me to go into threads, which have nothing to do with Kate and see negative comments on her.

Yep, her story is far from over, theres so much more to learn about her. I'm still got my fingers crossed, we get to see Kate as a child, so many losties have had one. I think Kate's worthy of one more flashback showing events set before going on the run, I dont understand why they spent so much time on her on the run life and not enough before it.

I want to see her child hood even though it sounded sad and abusive.

Also, I'm stating it again, she was the best mother for Aaron in his time of need.

I posted this in the Jate thread too...but since it's Kate related I'm gonna say it here too...Regarding this week's little sneak peak...


I'm very relieved she's sticking by Jack's side...but damn...I"m also thinking the reason he agreed so readily to not asking about Aaron is that he already knows what happened to him....

ANGST MUCH?!:eek2:

This would point right back to Ben...Because she's not willingly going, and Aaron is the one factor that is holding her back from her return to the island.

^^^She'll get him back.

Thanks for starting this thread Sam! I LOVE IT!

If Kate were to die, I'd most likely cry which I rarely do with TV characters.

If she were to die, then please hold off till the end of Season 6.