In House of the Rising Sun, Locke made the comment to Charlie "What I know is that this island might just give you what you're looking for but you have to give the island something."

I think this theme has played into the show alot since then.
One example of giving a sacrifice to the island and getting something in return is Boone's death. We have been lead to believe that Boone's death had to happen to get into the hatch.I think this is incorrect though.I think Boone had to die for Aaron to be born.Aaron was born at almost the exact same time as Boone died and I have always felt that Boone's spirit went into Aaron.Boone was sacrificed so Aaron could live.I believe that Aaron is very important and when he is older I think he will take over as a leader of the island like Ben and Locke,since Aaron's grandpa and mom were seen in the cabin.

Stacy Lane.

I agree, well sort of at least. I related it to Final destination 2 where the lead actor decided she needed to 'die' so death could be foiled, and it's plan reset. Your idea is interesting too though, not a fan of Boone's spirit going into Aaron, but I suppose it's possible.

I suspect that Aaron is either:

Aaron
Jacob
The Jacob theory was something I read in another thread (can't find the link right now). I think BigMouth proposed it and it is a possible fit.

I don't think Aaron and Boone are tightly connected. The main reason I think that is that Boone's on screen time after his demise is extremely low. If he were that important, I think we would have seen more Zombie Boone.

Something that gives credibility to Aaron's birth and Boone's death being related to each other is their names. Let me explain: knowing that Darlton are both big Yankees-Red Sox fans, and the number of times baseball has been mentioned on the show, is it a coincedence that AARON is born the same episode as BOONE dies? Aaron Boone is the name of a major league baseball player who hit a walkoff homerun for the NY Yankees in the 2003 playoffs against the Boston Red Sox. I refuse to accept this as a coincedence.

there has always been the theory that every time someone dies another is born. but i don't believe that boone had to die for aaron to be born. we are suppose to believe that any child conceived on the island is in danger, not the ones conceived off the island. i believe that boone was a sacrifice for locke as he said for the hatch deal. of course, we know the light went on because desmond heard all the ruckus above. what locke felt was "signs" was just reality. i think that the destiny deal locke was talking about was 1. he was losing his legs 2. he had the dream with his mama and the plane going down and of course 3. the premonition of a bloody boone. so, when he was lead to the plane, he thought it was for boone to die (ultimately that's his conclusion) but i think it was to get the transmission from the tail section of the plane.....we are the survivors from flight 815. unfortunately, an accident occurred where boone fell and could not relay the message to his friends. if he had, then destiny would have led them to find the tail survivors. instead, the boating accident and washing to shore led them to the tail losties. selfish locke thinks this fate and destiny stuff only applies to what he is looking for.

Why did the island specifically need Boone to die for Aaron to be born? Before this, there were plenty of other deaths with no corresponding birth- the Marshall, Joanna, etc.

Something that gives credibility to Aaron's birth and Boone's death being related to each other is their names. Let me explain: knowing that Darlton are both big Yankees-Red Sox fans, and the number of times baseball has been mentioned on the show, is it a coincedence that AARON is born the same episode as BOONE dies? Aaron Boone is the name of a major league baseball player who hit a walkoff homerun for the NY Yankees in the 2003 playoffs against the Boston Red Sox. I refuse to accept this as a coincedence.

I don't think every name or reference or pop culture piece that ends up in lost means something. Sometimes I think they're just homages to things or people that the creators like and they want to give an intellectual shout out, if you will, to these people or things.


I suspect that Aaron is either:

Aaron
Jacob

The Jacob theory was something I read in another thread (can't find the link right now). I think BigMouth proposed it and it is a possible fit.

I don't think Aaron and Boone are tightly connected. The main reason I think that is that Boone's on screen time after his demise is extremely low. If he were that important, I think we would have seen more Zombie Boone.

more Zombie Boone forthecoming in Zombie Season 7.

In House of the Rising Sun, Locke made the comment to Charlie "What I know is that this island might just give you what you're looking for but you have to give the island something."

I think this theme has played into the show alot since then.
One example of giving a sacrifice to the island and getting something in return is Boone's death. We have been lead to believe that Boone's death had to happen to get into the hatch.I think this is incorrect though.I think Boone had to die for Aaron to be born.Aaron was born at almost the exact same time as Boone died and I have always felt that Boone's spirit went into Aaron.Boone was sacrificed so Aaron could live.I believe that Aaron is very important and when he is older I think he will take over as a leader of the island like Ben and Locke,since Aaron's grandpa and mom were seen in the cabin.

Stacy Lane.


It would be a nice thought to think Boone had some purpose, but I don't think I can fit that into my possibility file in the back of the ol' brain. Almost that he might have had to die for Aaron to be borne, but why not one of the others that had died before Boone, as was posted.

His biggest contribution was the Trebuchet dialogue with Locke. :cool:

...It would be a nice thought to think Boone had some purpose, but I don't think I can fit that into my possibility file in the back of the ol' brain. Almost that he might have had to die for Aaron to be borne, but why not one of the others that had died before Boone, as was posted.

His biggest contribution was the Trebuchet dialogue with Locke.

TPTB had general things figured out on how Lost would spin, but they could not foresee how each character really fit in until production started. At some point they probably made a decision that the character isn't working out like they thought. This is show business, and if something isn't working out in a business corrective actions must be taken, which in this case means killing off the character. In a show like Desperate Housewives, the character can simply move, but that's a little harder to do on a deserted island.

The deaths of Nikki and Paolo were also because they weren't working out, but for different reasons (audience uproar).

also, we have to realize that the show is suppose to represent some sort of reality (other than people surviving a crash without a lot of injuries:rolleyes:) and being on a somewhat deserted island would mean fatalities. falling off cliffs and drowning are realistic things to happen on an island. so, if no one died, then it would seem a little strange, don't you think? charlie was suppose to die and his fan club was so rabid that the producers changed their mind, until later. i was sorry to see boone go, but someone had to die......and it wasn't because aaron was born. he was gonna come one way or the other.

I don't think every name or reference or pop culture piece that ends up in lost means something. Sometimes I think they're just homages to things or people that the creators like and they want to give an intellectual shout out, if you will, to these people or things. . :cool:

I agree. The show is full of amazing reference, but not every one of them will prove super-signifignant.


The deaths of Nikki and Paolo were also because they weren't working out, but for different reasons (audience uproar).

I think there a quite a few examples of TPTB responding to the audience.

As you cite, Nikki and Paolo are one. Maxaholic brings up Charlie. I believe Michael's return was prompted by the audience demanding to know "what happened to Michael?"...and to see some type of "redemption" on his part.

I also happen to think that the "staged crash" was an idea that was developed from fan theories after hearing from Naomi and Cooper that 815 had been found with no survivors.

Why did the island specifically need Boone to die for Aaron to be born? Before this, there were plenty of other deaths with no corresponding birth- the Marshall, Joanna, etc.
Well no corresponding births that we saw, maybe it's not every time someone dies someone is born, but to have a birth on the Island someone has to die, maybe there is a maximum capacity limit for the Island:biggrin:.

maybe there is a maximum capacity limit for the Island:biggrin:.

Like some sadistic ride at a carnival in "A little to hot to be Heaven". That's good. I"m getting all these images of the people we know as carnies and playing no win games for lame prizes. Where the rides are suspect but the people operating them are more so.:cool:

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TPTB had general things figured out on how Lost would spin, but they could not foresee how each character really fit in until production started. At some point they probably made a decision that the character isn't working out like they thought. This is show business, and if something isn't working out in a business corrective actions must be taken, which in this case means killing off the character. In a show like Desperate Housewives, the character can simply move, but that's a little harder to do on a deserted island.

The deaths of Nikki and Paolo were also because they weren't working out, but for different reasons (audience uproar).

I agree, not everyone from the orignal survivors can have a major story thread. They couldn't have known at the outset that it was going to be received as well as it has.

I think the point came when it got picked up again and there was a chance that an end might have to be told. You would have to identify the strong threads and pull those together as tight as you could. Boone came off so well as spoiled rich, that I could never get behind his motives for anything. They have been pretty receptive to the viewers. I don't think Boone was one of the majority favorites from the beginning.

He did have a purpose, Shannon too I suppose:cool:, even if it was only to further along other characters stories. He added an element of realism to the beginning. Being so in shock that his focus becomes finding a pen. Not having been in a major plane crash (small one, not my fault...really;)) I think they pegged people's behavior in that kind of event. IDK, I'm rambling now.

Anyway, the Trebuchet dialogue is still his defining moment for me:grin:

There are too many population surges for me to believe the island has some sort of checks-and-balances system when it comes to death. The plane crashed, bringing 48 new people to the island. Was that to make up for the dozens of deaths throughout the decades? Why, then, did the island wait so long? Who died to accomodate all the freighties? I can totally buy that the island needed boone to die for aaron to be born, but I don't think that extrapolates to a general rule-on-the-island.

Most of the time on "Lost," I think it's merely dramatic technique. Audiences get bored with too many births, and they get bummed with too many deaths. So, it's good to balance out a death by following it with a birth.

Every epic drama has lots of deaths and lots of births. Unless they are shown to coincide in time, it's impossible for me to conclude anything besides mere coincidence. I mean, using the same logic, one can conclude that the "Golden Girls" house had a population cap- there were about the same number of births and deaths... and when Dorothy finally left the house and couldn't be replaced, it imploded.

what locke felt was "signs" was just reality. i think that the destiny deal locke was talking about was 1. he was losing his legs 2. he had the dream with his mama and the plane going down and of course 3. the premonition of a bloody boone. so, when he was lead to the plane, he thought it was for boone to die (ultimately that's his conclusion) but i think it was to get the transmission from the tail section of the plane.....we are the survivors from flight 815.

If Locke's vision was just reality, how did he know about Boone's nanny Teresa falling down the stairs when Boone was a kid? I definitely believe that Boone was a sacrifice to the island, but it was not to open the hatch. I've always thought that it was intended to break John's obsession with the hatch and to get him to focus back on the island and the survivors. It almost succeeded but ultimately failed because Des switched on the light. This led Locke into the hatch for most of S2, where he became frustrated and disillusioned. Only in S3 did he regain his connection with the island.

I think Boone had to die for Aaron to be born.Aaron was born at almost the exact same time as Boone died and I have always felt that Boone's spirit went into Aaron.Boone was sacrificed so Aaron could live.

I think that synchronizing Boone's death and Aaron's birth was (1) a frequently-used literary device, and (2) a test for Jack to see whether he would choose to focus on life (Aaron, his own nephew) or death (failing to save Boone, an acquaintance at most). Depending on what theory you subscribe to, Jack may have passed or failed. I think he failed.

I also don't agree that Aaron is Boone reincarnated or that island deaths balanced some kind of scale that allow island births. Anyway, at 8 months, Aaron was viable well before Boone died.

the premonition of a bloody boone. so, when he was lead to the plane, he thought it was for boone to die (ultimately that's his conclusion) but i think it was to get the transmission from the tail section of the plane.....we are the survivors from flight 815. unfortunately, an accident occurred where boone fell and could not relay the message to his friends. if he had, then destiny would have led them to find the tail survivors.

Locke never thought that Boone was supposed to die. If he had, he wouldn't have yelled at him to get out of the plane when it started becoming unstable. And he wouldn't have carried him all the way back trying to save him.

Boone fulfilled his destiny. It was no accident. Without that "accident" the world would have been destroyed, because Desmond would have killed himself, because he wouldn't have realized that the world was still there, because he wouldn't have heard Locke screaming and pounding on the hatch.
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It would be a nice thought to think Boone had some purpose, but I don't think I can fit that into my possibility file in the back of the ol' brain.

Desmond: Three days before you came down here, before we met, I heard a banging on the hatch door, shouting... But it was you, John, wasn't it? You say there isn't any purpose, there's no such thing as fate -- But you saved my life, brother, so that I could save yours.

There are too many population surges for me to believe the island has some sort of checks-and-balances system when it comes to death. The plane crashed, bringing 48 new people to the island. Was that to make up for the dozens of deaths throughout the decades? Why, then, did the island wait so long? Who died to accomodate all the freighties? I can totally buy that the island needed boone to die for aaron to be born, but I don't think that extrapolates to a general rule-on-the-island.

Most of the time on "Lost," I think it's merely dramatic technique. Audiences get bored with too many births, and they get bummed with too many deaths. So, it's good to balance out a death by following it with a birth.

Every epic drama has lots of deaths and lots of births. Unless they are shown to coincide in time, it's impossible for me to conclude anything besides mere coincidence. I mean, using the same logic, one can conclude that the "Golden Girls" house had a population cap- there were about the same number of births and deaths... and when Dorothy finally left the house and couldn't be replaced, it imploded.

Nice. Nice:cool: a Bea Arthur/Golden Girls parallel to Lost. Classic

I like the way one poster above put it. Boone's death technically saved the world.


I never thought of it that way but he totally did. But take that one step further (sorry if this is off topic) but it is really weird.

I Jack had elected to save Adam Rutherford instead of Sarah, perhaps Adam survives and Sabrina Carlisle never mistreats Shannon. Shannon then doesn't develop a need to sponge off men and never moves to Australia. Boone never needs to go to Australia to rescue her, Boone is never on 815. Desmond's inactions brings down Boone who joins Locke to open the hatch. Boone's death drives John to pound on the hatch which inspires Desmond to go on living and continue to push the button, thereby saving the world.


So....in the Lost universe, Jack's decision to save Sarah, also saved the world. or at least saved the island.

Perhaps 'the island' showed it's appreciate by giving Sarah the use of her legs again.

Jack had elected to save Adam Rutherford instead of Sarah, perhaps Adam survives and Sabrina Carlisle never mistreats Shannon. Shannon then doesn't develop a need to sponge off men and never moves to Australia. Boone never needs to go to Australia to rescue her, Boone is never on 815. Desmond's inactions brings down Boone who joins Locke to open the hatch. Boone's death drives John to pound on the hatch which inspires Desmond to go on living and continue to push the button, thereby saving the world.

So....in the Lost universe, Jack's decision to save Sarah, also saved the world. or at least saved the island.

Perhaps 'the island' showed it's appreciate by giving Sarah the use of her legs again.

Beautiful.