So, Dr. Walter Bishop mentioned "The Kip Brothers" by Jules Verne on tonight's episode (Also, Peter mentioned "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"

Accordin' to what I read at the fringetelevision.com (http://eastereggs.fringetelevision.com/2008/09/fringe-episode-102-kip-brothers.html) site:

This first English translation of Verne's awkward hybrid of travelogue and coded detective story, originally serialized in 1902, centers on Dutch brothers Karl and Pieter Kip. In the novel's first part, which details nautical journeys around various Australian and New Zealand islands, the English captain Harry Gibson, of the James Cook, rescues the shipwrecked Kips. When mutineers Flig Valt and Vin Mod kill the captain, it's Karl and Pieter who are convicted and who spend the novel's second part trying to escape a horrible Australian penal colony. Descriptions of exotic destinations from Verne's own travel books help compensate for the lack of compelling characters. As for the detective story, readers know the murderers' identities, but not how they will be revealed, and the abrupt resolution turns on the manipulation of a photograph. Though readers hoping for an exciting adventure tale won't find it, this will nonetheless delight Verne enthusiasts with its scholarly commentary and original black-and-white illustrations. (May)

Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Thousand_Leagues_Under_the_Sea)

Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea(s) (French: Vingt mille lieues sous les mers) is a classic science fiction novel by French writer Jules Verne, published in 1870. It is about the fictional Captain Nemo and his submarine, Nautilus, as seen by one of his passengers, Professor Pierre Aronnax. The first illustrated edition (which is not the original edition which had no illustrations) was published by Hetzel, contains a number of illustrations by Alphonse de Neuville and Edouard Riou.

Plot summary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Thousand_Leagues_Under_the_Sea#Plot_summary )

What do y'all think? What impact did these books have on the epi tonight, if any? What impact do y'all think they will have on the future of the show?

Personally, I think 20K Leagues was mentioned because it is Verne's best-known work, not because it had any particular relevance to the epi.

The Kip Brothers may or may not have more relevance, but from what we saw, Bishop used it as a source for the "Last image imprinted on the retina" theory (he was probably unaware of the scene from Briscoe County Jr. where they did the same thing with an oil lantern).

Personally, I'm finding some of the "scientific" miracles Bishop dreams up and pulls off to be so out there, I'm wondering if he might have some kind of supernatural ability to mold reality to his twisted "mad scientist" ideas.

-AJF

Personally, I think 20K Leagues was mentioned because it is Verne's best-known work, not because it had any particular relevance to the epi.

The Kip Brothers may or may not have more relevance, but from what we saw, Bishop used it as a source for the "Last image imprinted on the retina" theory (he was probably unaware of the scene from Briscoe County Jr. where they did the same thing with an oil lantern).

Personally, I'm finding some of the "scientific" miracles Bishop dreams up and pulls off to be so out there, I'm wondering if he might have some kind of supernatural ability to mold reality to his twisted "mad scientist" ideas.

-AJF

AJF,

The retina image portion of the show may have been the only reason to bring up the book. As for Twenty Thousand Leagues, again you're probably right. But, at the same time you never know what J.J. and company could be thinkin' *L*. I'm definitely goin' to try to keep an eye out for more references to both books.

And I just read your theory in the General Theories section. It does seem like Bishop makes stuff up, doesn't it? I can't wait to see if you're right about that.

Yeah...about John Noble making up stuff...I had a kind of similar feeling watching the episode, too...I got a vibe that something like that was happening when John and Peter were going to sleep...I also got the impression that Peter was hearing John's thoughts and that John wasn't saying them outloud...that the two guys are connected in a strange way that might have to do with Peter's "medical condition"...

*Waves to Reb*

*Waves to Junie*

Any idea how that might be, Junie? Somethin' to do with the Pituitary gland, maybe?

What did I miss? Who's John Noble?

I don't know, Reb. Neuro-science is so out of my leauge! LOL! I might Google it or look in wikipedia.com for something...

Madge - No, you're not missing anything! I am, though - like a clue! I keep calling Walter Noble..."John Noble"...

Walter Noble? Isn't it Walter Bishop?

Madge,

John Noble is the name of the actor who plays Walter Bishop.

Oh okay. Now I gotcha. Thanks! Just like Lost, I'm not noticing the opening credits. I guess I blank them out like commercials.

You and me both.