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eddypots
01-06-2009, 10:12 PM
And The Way in and out of the Island is…

Hi there guys
Look, Im kind of new over here and Im sorry if this topic has already been posted before. And im Mexican, so Im sorry too if my English is not quite proper.

Well, my theory begins with a question, I was wondering: Ok, Ben is trying to gather all the O6 together again and head back to the island, but,
How is he going to achieve it?? By what??


I’ve been thinking about Jacob, he is like, the center of my attention right now, Im so excited about discovering more about this enigmatic character.
So I got to the point by rewatching “S.O.S” from season 2,

What if that man called “Isaac of Uluru was indeed Jacob??



Risky question right?
I have some reasons to actually think that it could possibly be true:


*- Starting with the most obvious: His healing powers. Jacob and Isaac are presumably capable of them.



*- They both live kind of apart. Remember all the way Bernard and Rose have to come across to find the place; it was kinda difficult. Just the way finding Jacob’s Cabin is.



*- Isaac, was loved by the people. Especifically of course, by those whom he “saved”. That makes me think of the way the Others have feelings for Jacob.



*- In his wall, he had not only thankful-expressing cards, but he had TWO pictures called “Dharmacakra” which reminds me of the DI. You can see this information in Lostpedia. There were also like a paper where was read something like “TWINS” (Maybe the novel Bad Twin…) ;)



*- Aside from that, in his place he had also many crutches and some wheelchairs. And many pictures. In one picture, there was a blonde woman with a baby which reminds me of somebody. I think that woman could possibly be Rachel, (Juliet’s sister) along with her child…



*- Isaac told Rose something about healing spots. He claimed them to be over one actually. Just like the island. In fact he seemed to have knowledge about the island because he told Rose she needed to be “somewhere else” for her Cancer to be cured…



*- I’ve been thinking, if Jacob supposedly healed Rachel, how did he manage to go out of the Island?, because we know for sure that Rachel didn’t come in… If Jacob is Isaac, that would be a possibility.



*- The tradition of the Biblical names wouldn’t be broken (Jacob, Benjamin) since Isaac was Jacob’s father and Rachel was Jacob’s wife. :eek2:



*- If we’re talking about names, we should pay some attention to “Uluru” also. Uluru is a rock formation, very representative of Australia, which is considered “sacred” by the aborigines. Maybe, the way the Others consider the Island…



*- According to the legend, some aborigines were attacked by another tribe on Uluru, but they got to win when they destroyed some big totem (maybe like the statue of four toes). And now they are determined to protect that place at all costs. They won’t let anybody into there…



*- Also, in the legend, there were mentioned some stones, which were capable of healing people but, whoever wasn’t FROM the tribe would get a course on him if stole the stones. That reminds me of the stones Jack found on Adan and Eve…





*- Another thing that was kind of mysterious, was the fact that neither Rose nor Bernard showed any connection with the losties before the crash; unlike the rest, which we now know, were connected somehow (Christian Shephard, Cassidy, places, etc..)
That makes me think of the only person who might REPRESENT that connection: Isaac.
That’s why I think Isaac will be more important in the future, because he is the only way Bernard and Rose might have a connection with at least somebody on the flight, or in the island… And that person might be, again, Rachel.






*- The episode we are talking about, where Isaac makes his appearance is called S.O.S, which is kind of a synonym of the phrase “HELP ME”. It is well known that the only words we’ve listened from Jacob’s mouth itself are exactly those.







*-There is a real man named Aldous Huxley who fictionally worked with Richard Alpert. This Huxley wrote a book called “Jacob’s Hands” where he described a man named Jacob who could heal people with his hands. Isaac was about to heal Rose with his hands too.






*- Is to take in consideration too, that right the following episode “Two for the road”, was the first one where we know SOMETHING about Jacob. Where Ben claims him to be BRILLIANT (because of his powers), but NOT forgiving (Mmm…).



*- Finally, look at this, this is a picture of Isaac:
http://es.lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Isaac_de_Uluru
And this is a clear-procedure somebody made of Jacob’s only picture…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN_oiwKDUcg
Aren’t they, kind of alike??



Ok, this is way I think Isaac might be an identity of Jacob.


But anyway, even if he isn’t, they might be sort of related, because of all the similarities.
My real point, is this:
If Isaac and Jacob are related or, are the same… Does that mean that there is a connection between Isaac’s home and Jacob’s Cabin??? You know, like a Wormhole???


That would explain why Isaac knows about the healing spots and why HIS HOUSE IS A HEALING SPOT ITSELF, because it takes to the Island!!



Now, that’s risky, but look at the conversation between Isaac and Rose:


Rose: So, how does this work?
I sit here and, you chant or pray or what?
Isaac: There are certain places with great energy, spots on the Earth, like the one we’re above now.
Perhaps this energy is geological, magnetic… or perhaps is something else.
And when possible, I harness this energy and give it to Others (Mmm…)…



So, that would maybe explain, how did Christian and Claire manage to get out of the island, and Charlie, and the rest of the dead people, and maybe Locke…:biggrin::eek2:




So if that’s the way, would that mean that in season 5 they would possibly get back to the island by there?? By Isaac’s Home??
And they are going to end up in nothing less but, the Jacob’s Cabin??


I tried to figure out this because I think is important; I mean, without the submarine, and without the possibility of controlling the time-traveling stuff of the Island that Ben used for appearing in Tunez, then,
how were they gonna return????


Please don’t launch tomatos :P:undecide:

theVOID
01-06-2009, 11:02 PM
Very good theory!

Makes some sense, although it is mostly circumstantial, and i don't see it happening.

PapaThor
01-06-2009, 11:57 PM
Hola eddypots and welcome to the 'lage.

You have a good theory and some parts are quite excellent. I believe the cabin is very important as far as the sci-fi part of the Lost story. We will just have to wait and see what part it plays.

You know, whenever I think of the cabin, I think of Claire. Perhaps when we see her again it will be at the cabin. And since we have had no spoilers featuring the cabin and since we will not see Claire until the final season, we may not get any info about the cabin until then.


P. S. Go Vincent!

eddypots
01-07-2009, 01:53 AM
Thanks 4 the comments!


Hola eddypots and welcome to the 'lage.

You have a good theory and some parts are quite excellent. I believe the cabin is very important as far as the sci-fi part of the Lost story. We will just have to wait and see what part it plays.

You know, whenever I think of the cabin, I think of Claire. Perhaps when we see her again it will be at the cabin. And since we have had no spoilers featuring the cabin and since we will not see Claire until the final season, we may not get any info about the cabin until then.


P. S. Go Vincent!



Thanks for beliving that :biggrin:


You know, when I think of the Cabin I think of Claire just as well as you. Indeed it was one of the things that left me most surprised when watching season 4, watching Claire inside the Cabin. I mean, of all people who would've thought Claire was gonna be the one!


I have a little answer for that, lemme tell you:




miniTheory: The Box...

Now, if the theory is right, and the Cabin is a Wormhole which connects to the Earth by the house of Isaac of Urulu...



Could the Cabin be The Box that Ben was talking about to John???


That is the way the Others brought Anthony Cooper into the Island, because, if the Cabin connects to the Earth, you can actually bring whatever you want to the Island, making true all what Ben said...


Not only that, since the apparition of dead people like Christian Shephard in the Island and in the Earth, more spetifically in the Cabin,
would it be possible that it, not only connects to the house of Isaac, but to other places??? ..... and, other times????



That makes even more true what Ben said about bringing to the Island WHATEVER you want! And that would explain the apparition of dead people!


Dont you think it might be possible?? :eek2:

PapaThor
01-07-2009, 04:21 AM
I think you may have something there.

The cabin is very important to the Dharma folks. Plus, it is "protected" by the powder that surrounds it. What is that? Is it meant to keep someone within the cabin/circle or is it to protect the cabin from outsiders?

I would hate to think that we would never know the secrets of the cabin, but the producers and writers have not given us any more. I believe we will visit the cabin in season six.

I don't know if the cabin is connected to the earth or is a type of transport station. But, I do believe it is a special place. It is a place of transcendence, It is a place of power and energy. I think we will just have to wait and see what happens.

seaquelost
01-07-2009, 07:49 AM
How does Horace fit in all this? He built the cabin....

HORACE: Oh, building a place--a little getaway for me and the missus. No, I mean, sometimes you need a break from the D.I., y'know? The DHARMA Initiative? (Laughs) I'm not making any sense, am I?Welcome to the Fuselage, eddypots.

jane_eire
01-07-2009, 08:26 AM
The cabin is very important to the Dharma folks...

I don't know if the cabin is connected to the earth or is a type of transport station. But, I do believe it is a special place. It is a place of transcendence, It is a place of power and energy. I think we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Metaphysically, the Cabin is a place of Center. It is a metaphor for representing the Universe around us, and rebuilding the cabin is a way of ritually restoring the World. The roof of the Cabin is the vault of Heaven, the floor the Earth, the four sides the four Directions. It is a place of Initiation, of pilgrimmage, and encircling the Cabin may represent the return of the New Year; it is an expression of Circular Time. In some languages, this is so strongly felt that the words for World and Year are in fact the same.

Briolette
01-07-2009, 10:19 AM
Great stuff eddypots
I see the cabin as a manifestation of the island...kinda like Smokey appearing to look like an elephant to catch Mr. Eko with his trunk...I miss Mr. Eko...

eddypots
01-07-2009, 06:43 PM
I totally agree with you guys about the Cabin being a very special place...

I think that it is possible its connection to the Earth by Isaac's Home because in first place, I think thats the way the first population came into the Island... I mean, how did the first people find the Island, if they didn't know where to look???


Since then the Cabin is being protected from the advertisity because, I think Ben don't want Charles to realize about this specifically quick way to get to the Sacred Island that's why maybe neigher Richard nor any of the Others have knowledge of the Cabin and of its properties...

So its kind of the last resource....

Lucidity
01-07-2009, 07:17 PM
The Cabin has always made me think of the Black and White Lodges in Twin Peaks, which Damon recently revealed was his major inspiration when developing Lost - as a type of TV show, perhaps not in terms of content.

So yeah, I definitely like the idea of the Cabin being the way in and out.

eddypots
01-09-2009, 03:11 PM
To sequelost
Well, look, it always seemed a little odd, the fact that Horace was building a Cabin if they couldn't live outside the perimeters of the Barracks...

Besides, he is a mathematician or, something like that, how come he was ALONE building which seems to be a very strong and big Cabin just by himself???


That's what makes me think even more about the possibility that there is something deeper about that cabin. Remember it was built by a scientist, not by a lumberman...


Let's just wait and see... :S


Another think that is kinda curious, is that inside the Cabin, is like a picture of a dog. A hunter dog specifically. Do you think Jacob is capable of talking to the dogs??
No, haha that would be a little too much...



C'ya

Lucidity
01-10-2009, 12:47 AM
eddypots >
Another think that is kinda curious, is that inside the Cabin, is like a picture of a dog. A hunter dog specifically. Do you think Jacob is capable of talking to the dogs??
No, haha that would be a little too much...


A time-travelling hunter dog ! :ohmy:
Here it is in Jacob's painting (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/fc/Jacobs-painting-lulu.jpg).
And we know it is alive and well in Othersville (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/f6/Lulu_Bender.jpg).
Now check it out hanging out in Oxford (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/5/50/4x05_Lulu.jpg) in 1996.
And in Nigeria (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/44/3x05-lulu-bender.jpg) around 1990-ish.

Only fools are enslaved by Time and Space. ;)

eddypots
02-12-2009, 02:50 AM
I hadn't seen your response Lucidity and...


Why would the Others have a dog???
I never had noticed this before!!


Also, all the dogs are very alike!!

This dog's stuff caught my attention because is one of the only things that were like, enlightened while the little time inside the Cabin, so... And along with Vincent-knows-it-all mystery...

Thoughts?

Fierro
02-13-2009, 12:28 AM
speaking of dogs... Who thinks Smokie sounded like a very bad doggie?

Lucidity
02-13-2009, 01:49 PM
eddy,
I was just joking with you - it is the same dog every time and it appears in so many different scenes because it is Jack Bender's dog, Lulu (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lulu).

eddypots
02-13-2009, 10:49 PM
Hahaha I know

I didn't know about Lulu though, that's funny. That Lulu is a star! But, if it is the same dog? Would it be there for a reason??
I mean, the problem is, why would the Others have a dog? Why would they NEED a dog :\?
And yes smokie is like a HUGE rottwhiler haha!



Actually dogs are not the main issue in this topic so i'm gonna write something a little bit more according to the subject :P :


In the promo we have for the next ep of Lost, we see Ms. Hawking sayin something like:
-"Windows create events where/when we can get back to the Island"- or something like that...

This shocked me because:
Are these windows in just one place, but appear and disappear depending on the time?
Or are these windows switching places through time?

If that's the case Isaac of Uluru's home could be a good candidate to become a "window" because of the natural powers related to the Island that it shows...
Right??



Also: where would the other part of the window connect in the Island???
In the cabin??
Would that explain why the cabin is switching places through time??? :O



ThoughtS??