01-21-2009, 04:00 PM
What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)
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01-21-2009, 04:00 PM
What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)
01-21-2009, 11:02 PM
Wow, amazing. The first 2 hours of the season were so good, I'm afraid to mark them as 10s, because there might be even better ones to come!
01-21-2009, 11:06 PM
"The Lie" wasn't as good as "Because You left". Didn't really get much info other than the Ms. Hawking at the end, which I already knew about. For once I was actually happy to see Locke when he saved Sawyer and Juliet.
And it was nice to see Ben losing his grip on things. For a change he's not in control.
01-21-2009, 11:07 PM
Even beyond what I had imagined. Just brilliant & the writers managed to make it worth the wait.
BRAVO! & Thank You!
01-21-2009, 11:10 PM
If they can keep this up all season, watch out. I agree with Todd not as amazing as "Because you left" but still one of my favourites, scary Sun, Ms. Hawking, Locke coming to the rescue, the death of Frogurt, could have happend sooner btw, I mean absolutely fantastic.
01-21-2009, 11:10 PM
Another 9 from me.
Solid set up but it felt so natural.
By the way, thank you for the two hours.
01-21-2009, 11:22 PM
I gave it a 9. I'm spoiler free, and it paid off a few times tonight :) Great episode that had me gasping and laughing out loud several times.
01-21-2009, 11:24 PM
I gave this epi and 8 but only because the previous epi tonight made me go WOW!
shew the first epi was so darn good it was hard to match.
But hey I love 'em all
01-21-2009, 11:40 PM
This is truly going to be a great Season if we have episode anywhere near the first two!
01-21-2009, 11:42 PM
Fabulous! I loved the pace. It was great to see so many of our favorite characters. How did they include so many in such short time? well - back to the pacing again. The quick switch between Island and LA mirrored the time leaps on the Island. Lost just got BETTER!
01-22-2009, 12:14 AM
I gave it a solid 8. I loved the episode and thought it was great.
01-22-2009, 02:01 AM
An 8, mostly because the former was just fabulous. But still a great episode nonetheless. The pacing & switching between the 06 & the Losties is nice, & fairly fluid I think, as best as it can be. I
love Hurley-this episode was probably one of his greatest imo because it gave so much depth to his character-you understood and felt his conflict & how those might effect the future, but I think if there's any hope it's in Hurley. Amidst all of the other complex things going on, there was definitely a feeling of redemption with him-for admitting he and the o6 shouldn't have lied, refusing Ben, (being one of the first so far) & what really touched me is the interaction between his parents I was so so surprised that Carmen believed him, even though she admittedly did not understand the situation, she believed him. And I definately see hints of him possibly making up with his dad, it was really great to see him do all of these things for Hurley, & being protective of him too with Jack. Great commedic moments throughout too, I laughed when Carmen exclaimed, "What's a dead Pakistani doing on my couch?!!!!"
I love Ben, but it's nice to see him out of character, and not in control, and not knowing what's going to happen in the future. And of course, such a great, mysterious, spine chilling scene with Ms. Hawking at the end.
I think is is going to be an excellent year! :biggrin:
01-22-2009, 02:04 AM
I gave them a 10. Because, well, I've been waiting so long and so far this time I've been spoiler free so everything was a nice surprise.. my goal is to be spoiler free this season..so that I will enjoy it more. We shall see :)
01-22-2009, 09:13 AM
Gave it an 8 7.
I loved the pace, but it was hard to follow BYL. Is it the 28th yet?
01-22-2009, 09:18 AM
truly a ten. once again I cant make up my mind if henry is good or bad.
01-22-2009, 10:01 AM
Gave it a 7, but then I think I tend to be a little harsh with my votes. 9's and 10's have typically been reserved for eps like TTLG and The Constant, so the bar is set pretty high.
All in all, a great ep: fast paced, lots of action, I would say, maybe a little too much going on, and everything moving a little too fast, which would be one of the reasons for the lower mark. Hurley deciding to go to jail instead of go with Ben was priceless :biggrin:
The Ms. Hawking reveal was also interesting, and I can't wait to see what role she plays in things. I also liked her echoing her statements from FBYE, that everyone (not just the people on the island) would be in danger if the people weren't brought back to the island in time -- similar to her warning to Desmond that he had to go to the island to push the button or else everyone would be dead. This added a sense of urgency, and made it about more than just the people on the island. Though of course I have no idea why everyone has to go back :biggrin:
01-22-2009, 01:41 PM
I gave it a 9 only because it didn't captivate me quite as much as the first episode, but it was still amazing. :biggrin:
01-22-2009, 02:01 PM
A 5 seemes fair. I finally got bored of Hurley, he frustrated me so much n that story. It felt like they were retreading over old ground in the course of the episode and in the course of the entire show, just replacing the numbers with "the lie", Locke and the death of frogurt were good. The rest was dull.
The worst thing though was how fractured the story telling was. I understand that having it like the opening of Season 3 would be a bad thing but when I wrote a different post I realised we have different storylines going on in the same episode at least. Never mind the island jumping all over the place, the viewer had it worse. Watching the island jump and watching the storylines jump from one to the other like a demented flea. The Hurley storyline was ridiculous even for Lost.
Ben and Locke saved this episode from being a disaster. (As well as the flaming arrows) Hugos mother also helped. Why do I always feel that in bad episodes that its ben or locke that saves them? It was a below average episode for Lost that could have been remidied by splitting the amount of storylines in 2 and going further in each of them rather than having short burst of everyone. If this keeps up we'll not reach the end of the 70 hours ben has before the end of the show.
01-22-2009, 04:00 PM
I consider these 2 epi's to be the same, and gave them big 9. The new revelations came fast and furious. The time skipping kept things crazy, and more sci-fi'ish than entire season have before. This sets the stage for a way to show us the history of the Island...so i guess it will have 'flashbacks' of it's own.
The fans here must be lovin' it.(I do!) The causal fans that like the Kate Love Triangle type plot lines must hate it. I already read that the ratings dropped 25% from last year's premiere.
They are trying very hard to show us 'time travel' in a sci-fact kind of way, not like Heroes' comic-book version. I think even if there seems to be some holes in it's theories, we have to give them some slack and wait for it to develop further.
01-22-2009, 05:22 PM
I really loved it. I stayed 100% spoiler free and I'm so glad I did it really paid off! I'm saving my 10's for an epi. that makes me feel like I cant sit down. I'm so glad LOST is back!!!!:D
01-22-2009, 10:22 PM
I thought it was a great episode. I was glad that they showed the '06 discussing whether or not to lie and then taking a vote. Jack did not decide the lie for all of them. It was discussed, and then they voted on it. I thought that Hurley was a bit out of character. I can understand that he didn't want to lie, but then again, he had to understand how crazy the truth was going to sound. His anger at Sayid for not agreeing with him was more than bizarre. Hurley can act like a 7-year old at times when people don't agree with him.
I did enjoy the reappearance of Ana Lucia. She was hysterical telling Hurley to get a grip on himself, and then ending the conversation with "Libby says hi." Loved it.
I thought one of the most telling scenes in this episode was Jack's comment to Ben about Locke: "Locke is dead, isn't he?" and Ben didn't answer the question. I'm hoping that Locke is, in fact, still alive. Maybe he is being drugged, which is credible. I want to see Jack and Locke back on the island before this story ends and not in flashback mode. I want to see the Man of Science and the Man of Faith put this baby to rest at the end together.
What's up with Sun? I can understand her anger at Jin's death, but she's abandoning time with her child just to exact revenge, and who exactly is she angry with? Ben? Kate? Jack? I hate to say it, but Jin is dead because Jin was dumb. Period. He waited until the very last minute to head up to the deck KNOWING that the bomb was going to detonate any minute. Did Sun know there was a bomb on board? I can't remember. Either way, Kate and Jack are not responsible for Jin's death. Kate would have died if Jack had not gone after her. Ben is responsible for Jin's death, although I don't know how Sun can know that fact unless she blames Ben overall for all the survivor's misfortunes, which is true.
When Jack first picked up Sayid in the parking garage, I thought that Jack was going to bring Sayid to the hospital and make a very public showing of it. I was happy to see him keep it on the down low and take care of him secretly. Jack was clearly showing some signs of oxycodone detox, and hopefully when it's over, he and Sayid can team up again like when they were on the island. I love when they work together.
Well, to sum it up, Hurley is under police arrest, Sun wants revenge, Kate is on the run, Jack and Sayid are both recovering, Ben has 70 hours to get the band back together, Desmond is on his way to Oxford, Charlotte is facing a life threatening situation, and the island keeps flashing forward.
Loved how Locke showed up in the end to save Sawyer and Juliet with is knife. Brings back memories.
01-23-2009, 10:49 AM
I rated this episode a 9. I agree it wasn't quite as good as Because You Left, but still brilliant.
Perhaps that has to do with the fact that Damon & Carlton didn't write this portion of the season premiere.
At any rate I did love Locke throwing the knife, and the pace was good. I do look at spoilers, but I got to say, even with the spoilers I was intrigued from the get-go of both of these episodes. Sometimes spoilers ruin an episode for me...but this time the episodes were just too darn good.
01-23-2009, 01:56 PM
I have heard a few people say they disliked it because it jumped around too much. I LOOOOOOOOOOVED it. I think it's the best we've seen in awhile...probably better than all of S2. Can I just say, it feels great to finally be getting some answers. Oh and I rated it a 10!! I want to go watch it again, right now!!
01-28-2009, 12:48 PM
I give this one a 4. Pretty boring, overall. The big thing they tried to address by the title, The Lie, and the opening conversation / explanation was utterly ridiculous. Hurley, as usual, acts as the voice of the audience and asks the very logical question (paraphrasing): “Why lie? The Island disappeared.” Jack’s answer is basically that they must lie anyway. Now, if I were Hurley, I would just say to Jack, “Dude, for a spinal surgeon, you’re kind of like… a moron. Even if Widmore wanted to beat it out of us, all we could tell him is it was there, just where he thought it was, but the next minute, it was gone. We have no idea where it went and that is why our helicopter crashed in the ocean- we had nowhere to land. So, once again, how does lying solve anything?” Then Jack would just start yelling or something and wash down some pills with some booze.
This whole “tough” Sun bit is just laughable, Kate is a huge yawn (as usual) and I can’t tell you how tired I am of having to watch Cheech. I thought the Ana Lucia scene was ridiculous. How many times are they going try the shock tactic of here’s some dead person who’s not even really there? I mean if this was really just supposed to be Hurley’s head, why not shoot the scene so that it is all from his perspective? Once you have shots external to his SUV, it gives the audience the impression that he is really being pulled over. Then, gotchya, here’s Ana Lucia and it’s all really just in his head. Very tiring. Not to mention, you could tell something was up since they wouldn’t show the officer’s face.
One silly scene after another from a logic standpoint. Hurley somehow carries Sayid into his parent’s house without the police seeing him and then seems surprised only a few moments later to find the police are on a stakeout in front of the house. So, if he didn’t think there was a stakeout, why wouldn’t he just drive right up to the front gate, rather than entering the house from a side door, where neighbors could see you? This is just lazy and/or dumb writing. The easy solution to this problem is to simply not have Hurley make the surprised comment about the stakeout to his father. Then we all assume he saw the police and that’s why he came in from the side door. How hard was that?
The other main complaint is the running body bag count. Can these people have just one episode where someone isn’t killed? At least two people were killed in the first episode (BYL) and how many were killed in this one, 6 or more (about 3 more #815 survivors and around the same in bad guys that were about to cut off Juliet’s arm)? This is getting ridiculous. Braveheart is one of my favorite movies, so it’s not like I have a problem with violence, but for a show like LOST, I believe it has become a crutch for these writers. “We need a little more action here, so lets kill some more redshirts and bad guys.” Yawn.
The best thing about the episode was the big question presented at the end by Ben and Ms. Hawking. I presume she has found the Island and now Ben and the O6 only have 70 hours to get back there. Okay, I still don’t like any of the TT stuff, but there’s nothing I can do about that now. I can only judge the show on how they present the TT and so far, I think it has been very poorly done- overall. This scene was at least somewhat intriguing. We’ll see where they go from here.
02-07-2009, 11:21 PM
The island travelling back and forth in time....madness!
Hurley and Sayid provided me with most of the humor and entertainment, lol,
New Sun creeps me out quite a bit. I'm sure Kate was creeped out too after their meeting at the hotel.
Charlotte is becoming more likeable this season. Daniel too.
My favourite scenes:
Sayid and Hurley together on the run, with Sayid murdering people, and Hurley taking all the blame. And then Hurley on the hideout.
On the island: the flaming arrow attacks!!
Carmen Reyes: 'Why is there a dead Pakistani on my coach?' (she has the best lines ever)
My ratings: 8