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Huh... well, there was a lot of jumping around timewise. I'm thinking that the story is going sideways for a while until the 06 get back on the Island.

We didn't really see any storyline advanced. We did see a lot of background info on the Others, Widmore, etc. But, that doesn't make the story go forward.

We think that what we have seen so far is to support what will happen in the later half of the season. No great shakes so far.

P. S. Where's Vincent?

The ONLY thing that I majorly disliked was the absence of Kate, Sayid, and Jack.

Another middle of the pack episode for me. Didn’t love it (which why I am posting here) or hate it. The writing is definitely better that last season so far, but not spectacular. I continue to have major problems with all of the TT stuff- now we have a paradox between Locke and Richard (as well as with Ben and Jacob, by extension). Richard visits Locke last season when Locke was a kid, but apparently only because Locke told Richard that Jacob basically said he was special. You can go round and round on that one and never feel satisfied with the answer (if they ever offer a definitive answer).

I’m also really tired of the way Daniel speaks in that whispering / barely understandable voice. I’d like to see more of Sawyer slapping him. The best part of the episode may have been Charlotte going down- hopefully about to check out for good. She’s been the biggest waste of space since Nikki and Paulo. God help us if she pulls through and we have to suffer through more Daniel “hearts” (loves) Charlotte moments. Another good aspect was no Ben (or Jack or Kate, for that matter). It was nice to be spared an entire episode from Ben the master manipulator.

Another problem I had was Desmond naming his son Charlie (not to mention yet another 30-second delivery of a baby- just skip to the kid having been born- at least when Claire had Aaron they kept cutting back and forth between Boone dying, so it seemed like more of a legitimate birth). This seemed like nothing more than the writers trying to throw a bone to Charlie fans, after they were outraged at Desmond’s selfishness last season, not going back with Sayid to help the #815 survivors- the two most notable being Claire and Aaron (for whom Charlie supposedly sacrificed his life). And then he didn’t even ask about Claire when Sun came aboard the freighter, holding Aaron. Why even go there and open up those old wounds? Just admit you blew that one and move on.

The last gripe that comes to mind is the absolutely lazy writing when it comes to Widmore’s security. For a multi-billionaire, could this guy have any worse security (especially when he is in a death-fight against Ben for the Island)? Last year, Ben just walks into his penthouse and now we have Desmond just walking right into his office and confronting him. What, the office building had to cut back on security due to the global recession? That kind of lazy writing has been old for seasons, now.

So, in the end, better than last year, but nothing spectacular.

Disliked the episode, but mostly because I can't stand Desmond. Whenever he's on stage, I can't decide whether to put the tv on mute or change the channel altogether I can't believe that this pretentious boor is the key to saving the world. And I don't believe for a second that he's read the complete works of Charles Dickens.

What was the point of the whole running-through-the-marketplace scene? Or a primitive-birth scene when there must be a modern hospital around somewhere? Seems way more manipulative than usual.

Throw me in with the didn't love it crowd. I miss the original cast in ALL the episodes, and I really dislike them be relegated to second bananas to the newbies.

Also, I don't think last night gave us any more information than last week. We knew Charlotte was sick last episode; she's still sick. We knew the island or survivors were moving in time; they're still moving in time. We knew that people were chasing them; they're still chasing them.

The only new things I learned was that Widmore was on the island in the '50s and that Daniel actually works for Widmore. We know that Daniel's girlfriend is in a coma, and we know there was a bomb on the island. There was a LOT of Daniel last night. I like him, but he's NOT Lost. Not for me.

Eh.

I agree with Papa T and Maxum - Jughead didn't move the long story much. When it's not pedalling in place, it's going backwards. I get the feeling the writers are *still* stalling, filling in, until they can give us the big end-of-series finale. Until then, they've got nothing except mythology and 'ships.

Des was fantastic eye candy but didn't seem true-to-character in this episode; his plot line was a mess. I did like cynical Pen, though.
I usually love Daniel, but he had a huge hunka screentime with zit story in this one.

Sawyer and Juliet snark is always good, but for the 3rd episode in a row, it's fluff. Hafta think the actors were feeling kinda frustrated at this point in the season. Richard and Locke have become campy jokes. Even TOQ's fantastic acting can only raise them so far, when the writing's that lame. The man sure gets the best out of the lines, tho. Kudos to him.

Comparing this one with Because You Left and The Lie, I realize what I missed was the genuine meaty character exchanges - like Hurley & Mom, Hurley & Pop, Kate & Sun.
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And I don't believe for a second that he's read the complete works of Charles Dickens.

I adore clunky, impulsive, goofy Des and have to agree with ya there - he's just not cut out to be a reader. All those bedside books should be Pen's. I could see her reading them.
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God help us if she pulls through and we have to suffer through more Daniel “hearts” (loves) Charlotte moments.

"I'm in love with the woman sitting next to me" was IMO great, it was the peak moment of their 'ship. And Daniel and Charlotte needed to have the follow-up talk.
Now that they've been to the mountain top, I'll gag if the writers continue to milk it.

"I'm in love with the woman sitting next to me" was IMO great, it was the peak moment of their 'ship. And Daniel and Charlotte needed to have the follow-up talk.
Now that they've been to the mountain top, I'll gag if the writers continue to milk it.
Yes, for the fans that are really into all of the relationships, I suppose they might have liked this scene, but for me it was quite nauseating. Like I stated above, Daniel’s way of speaking has gotten really tiring and Charlotte is a complete waste of a character. So to keep wasting screen time on these newer characters at the expense of the older / original characters has been a gripe of mine going back to last year.

Miles is okay in small doses, but my God, Charlotte? How about giving us an update on drunken or doped-up or dead-but-here Claire? She’s been MIA for how many episodes, now? Maybe she’s no longer even on the show- I keep forgetting to look for EdR’s name in the opening credits. Claire’s also obviously tied into Aaron, but it seems like they have just kicked her to the curb and the whole point of Aaron being with Kate is to make Kate more sympathetic to all the fans that have never been able to stand her. I’m still waiting (but no longer holding my breath) for them to revisit the Raised By Another “great danger will surround this child (Aaron) without Claire’s goodness.” It seems to me that things have went pretty well for Kate in the 3 years she’s been with Aaron (until the lawyers showing up in the last episode). She’s loaded, has a nice house, a nice kid and she received the lightest sentence in the history of the judicial system. Drop Charlotte and bring back Claire- and that’s just one example of how to make better use of the limited episodes this year and next.

I am assuming there is a lot more to Charlotte's story that we haven't had explained yet. So far she has done pretty much nothing at all and I find her remarkably boring. I am hoping that her story turns out to be more interesting. But I don't see why they couldn't also write a personality into her character.

I didn't dislike this episode as much as the previous two. This time travel thing just keeps getting on my nerves. Plus the latin nonsense that they've just now introduced, that we've never seen any other evidence for in how the others interact. And the fact that Juliet calls them "others"! What a lot of nonsense. Either they have a name for themselves, or they don't. If they don't have a name for themselves, she wouldn't call them others still, she would say "I'm one of them" or something like that. But presumably they do have a name for themselves and it isn't going to be "the others".

I felt putting a bomb into the story was a little contrived.

I felt Richards character was nothing like the cryptic and elusive man we've come to know, was very disapointed with his actions with Daniel, the girl saying how "you could fool richard" seems very un richard like to me

Getting a little sick of people 'letting things drop' too. Locke has done it twice now, once with the smoke monster, now with the bit where he asked Juliet about Richard, she basically said he's immortal yet said "why are you interested in Richard" i mean, irregardless of all whats happened i'd have more questions

Also, although it will help explain many things, the skipping at the end felt just waaaay to "quantum leap/monster of the week" to me


Overall i was dissapointed with this episode :(

Yeah, the conversations are silly in that way. The conversation would really have gone one of two ways:

A) Juliet doesn't know how old Alpert is, but she has some information on it at least, and she would say something along those lines

B) She knows pretty much how old he is, and she would say so

C) She is deliberately screwing around and refuses to answer the question - which seems to be what the Others like to do. But why? And what's so importantabout protecting this kind of information. Clearly John already knows Alpert is old old old, so just tell him all you know? Juliet winds me up like this, because I don't think her secrecy will be explained, and there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it at this point anymore.

It has mainly been Locke who lets things drop but ever since Juliet has been in surely a bit more of an inquisition has been in order.

It just reminded me of ben saying "i dont know" about smokey. I would of pursued it further, i know script writing has to be sensible but....

Just thought of another concern I had when watching this episode. I certainly hope they don’t go too heavy on the U.S. military going forward. I hope the “Jughead” and the slain U.S. military guys (according to Richard) were just to answer a couple of questions: 1) where the huge amount of toxic gas came from that Daniel shut off last year and 2) where Goodwin’s / Ana Lucia’s knife came from back in S2. I hope this thing doesn’t escalate into some government conspiracy theory / espionage / Alias garbage. That would truly be pathetic.

This was the weakest episode this season, may remain that way. Missed the Oceanic 6 in this one.

Sure we got reveals, but the episode wasn't that exciting. They reveal Widmore on the Island and Richard stuff was good, but everything else felt like filler to me, they jump to this time, then now were back to another time. All this time jumping is starting to get annoying. I would rather jump to one time frame and stay there for at least a few episodes.

The only thing worth while in this episode was The Widmore and Richard reveals, everything else didn't move the story, and it felt like filler. Weakest episode so far.

I haven't posted in the 'didn't love it' threads since the episode i wish to forget (Nikki and Paulo) and felt the need to post about Jughead mainly because welll not much happened did it?! Which from reading some of the previous posts people agree with.
We already knew that they were time travelling.
We knew that Richard had visited Locke when he was little.
We knew Daniel loves Charlotte.
We pretty much knew that Widmore has been on the island.
The list could go on....
However the things we did learn weren't that great either, i think a lot of us suspected the army based stuff on the island and the whole bomb thing is pretty much irrelevant as Daniel said , the island survives.
Anyway rant over , i love Lost and this episode wasn't awful at all , but compared to what weve had so far its not the best.

I didn't like this episode as it felt as though they were rewriting their laws of time travel as the episode progressed.