..."You did," Richard says in his soft patient voice. Hmmm...

Poor Frogurt. But hey, there's still a handful of Losties left... and it looks like they are physically unstuck in time. Or using Daniel's nifty metaphor... the Island is a giant spinning, scratchy record and the Losties are clinging to the giant, jumping needle. Or something like that which makes Sawyer want to slap Daniel no matter what time it is.

The Losties on the Island are unstuck in physical time. Every white FLASH transports them to the past (or, er, the future)... so one minute there's a box of Dharma Frosted Flakes on the bamboo shelf FLASH no there isn't. And they figure out that unless you're holding the box, it won't come with.

But Richard and his band of merry Others, including ex-Lostie Cindy (... but barring Locke, their newly crowned king and banished Maid Juliet) are not unstuck in time, so when Richard finds John, "John, John, listen to me... the next time I see you I won't recognize you, so give me this compass...." we know two things 1. Locke has jumped to the future relative to when he first disappeared and Richard already knows when Locke is going next, and 2. the FLASHES aren't affecting the Others ... or even the people from the past who are exposed to the Flashes...everyone but the Losties sticks to the island in a time appropriate way. Why?

Because for the Others and anyone the Losties encounter past or future... these events are past and they are part of the timeline already... the Grooves in Daniel's record.

The Losties changed something... the O6 was not supposed to leave because they didn't leave the first time... the recorded time.

Ergo, the present is somewhere in the future... what we are seeing is all "past." Time CAN be changed... despite what Daniel says...the reason why Daniel panics when Sawyer bangs on Desmond's door, and the reason Ms. Hawking panics when Desmond wants to marry Penny instead of follow his destiny... but the consequences are dire.

Well the thing is, Daniel said Sawyer's banging on the door was useless because you couldn't change what already happened -- it was the future relative to where they were, which was the past. So basically, you CAN change the future, but only from the present (Desmond blowing the hatch, etc). You can't change the past, time will course-correct. Therefore, if you go back in time, you can't change the future, because technically, it is the past.

the FLASHES aren't affecting the Others ... or even the people from the past who are exposed to the Flashes...everyone but the Losties sticks to the island in a time appropriate way. Why?

Because for the Others and anyone the Losties encounter past or future... these events are past and they are part of the timeline already... the Grooves in Daniel's record.

I like this analogy, simone.


The Losties changed something... the O6 was not supposed to leave because they didn't leave the first time... the recorded time.I agree, but something must have happened which somehow exempted them from the usual course correction rules of the universe. Perhaps the purple sky event?


Ergo, the present is somewhere in the future... what we are seeing is all "past." Time CAN be changed... despite what Daniel says...the reason why Daniel panics when Sawyer bangs on Desmond's door, and the reason Ms. Hawking panics when Desmond wants to marry Penny instead of follow his destiny... but the consequences are dire.Yup, but I'm thinking it's only Desmond who has the ability to change the future in a truly significant way. It was clear that Daniel was being less than truthful to Sawyer about banging on the hatch door (just a moment later Daniel himself was able to get Desmond to answer the door). If it would have been Radzinsky or someone else in the hatch, I imagine Daniel might have let Sawyer bang away, but since Desmond was involved, Daniel (like Mrs. Hawking) seemed a bit more concerned.

The fact that some people don't disappear seems to suggest that you can't go to a time when you weren't on the island, if Cindy was a plant all along, then she would have been on the island for a much longer period of time than we were lead to believe.

But what about Emma and her brother?

The fact that some people don't disappear seems to suggest that you can't go to a time when you weren't on the island, if Cindy was a plant all along, then she would have been on the island for a much longer period of time than we were lead to believe.

But what about Emma and her brother?


Yes what about them??
This means, being an other DID NOT influenced on having dissapear when Locke was left behind.
Because, Zack and Emma would have stayed with John. And I really dont believe any more of the other's people camp, had been longer in the island like the Hostiles have (i.e the Tailies recluted).



So I think, they might have done something to them, to the Tailies.
Perhaps in the temple.
Something that anchored them to the Island with the Others. That's my best guess.



So, after all the arguements, it lights up that Hawking is working with Ben and the Others :| Not with Widmore. Didn't see that coming!
The only way Richard would have known about where Locke was going to be the next flash: was because he was told by super scientist Hawking.
Dont you think??

What doesn't make sense in what Daniel and especially Richard said is, if it's only the people who are "unstuck" then what happened with the Islands that made them disappear?

Daniel at least is considering the both options, but Richard is saying that they (the Others) didn't go anywhere. How can that be the case?

The Islands had to have moved in some respect, unless the turning the DW also creates some sort of shield that hides the Islands. Could it be that the Islands were just moved to one specific time and are not jumping, while the people keep jumping? I don't think so, but then Richard must be wrong, though that also seems unlikely.

What doesn't make sense in what Daniel and especially Richard said is, if it's only the people who are "unstuck" then what happened with the Islands that made them disappear?

Daniel at least is considering the both options, but Richard is saying that they (the Others) didn't go anywhere. How can that be the case?

The Islands had to have moved in some respect, unless the turning the DW also creates some sort of shield that hides the Islands. Could it be that the Islands were just moved to one specific time and are not jumping, while the people keep jumping?

I'm also confused about this. I'm thinking that the island moved in space-time when Ben turned the FDW, and that Richard and the Others moved along with it. The lostaways and freighties, however, became "unstuck" during the process. Maybe it had something to do with being somehow "out of synch" with the island when it moved. Judging from Charlotte's nosebleed, the effect may be similar to coming or going from the island on the wrong bearing. Does this mean that this "sickness" may occur with both physical and consciousness time travel?

I'm also confused about this. I'm thinking that the island moved in space-time when Ben turned the FDW, and that Richard and the Others moved along with it. The lostaways and freighties, however, became "unstuck" during the process. Maybe it had something to do with being somehow "out of synch" with the island when it moved. Judging from Charlotte's nosebleed, the effect may be similar to coming or going from the island on the wrong bearing. Does this mean that this "sickness" may occur with both physical and consciousness time travel?

Or, as Daniel said in the constant "Has your friend recently been exposed to high levels of radiation or electromagnetism"

So... what have the time skippers been exposed to that Richard and the others have not? Electromagnetism.....

John was very near the swan during the implosion.

Sawyer, Bernard, Rose etc were on the beach, near the swan.

Daniel has been, through his experiments. If Charlotte and him do have a pre-freighter history, it is likely that she has too.

Miles and his 'ghostbusting' equipment.

Juliette may have experienced levels of electromagnetism, although i can't think of any, anyone have any ideas?

I'm thinking that because the Dharma trigrams have moved 90 degrees that the island is moving or has moved in space ... allowing the Nigerian plane to crash.... the Others stick with the island because they belong to the island's past, which is where we have been all along.... remember Cindy said what Horace said.... that they/Jacob have been waiting for John for a long time? Waiting for him to return to the island from their perspective... they seem to experience time in reverse?