Remember the x-ray that Juliet examined in "Not In Portland?" It was of a woman who was just 26 years old, but with the womb of a woman in her 70s. Now that physical time travel is a reality on the show, the solution is pretty straightforward.

Suppose you have a woman who was born in 1974. Suppose this woman is on the island in 1994 - that would make her 20 physical years old. That woman is physically time-skipped back to 1950 and is stuck there. Time progresses at a normal rate, and the woman ages in a normal fashion. In the year 2000, going only by the woman's birthday, she is, on paper, 26 years old. But if you go by years that the woman physically lived she would be 70 years old - 20 years from birth to time skip, and 50 years from the past to the date the x-ray was taken.

The dates don't are hypothetical, but the concept is sound - Richard had an x-ray of a woman who had doubled back on her own timeline. I'm guessing there was nothing physically wrong with that particular woman's womb; Richard just used it as a tease to get Juliet to come to the island to work on the real fertility problem.

The really fun question now, of course, is who is she? My guesses are 1) Mrs. Hawking, 2) Penny, or 3) Penny and Mrs. Hawking are the same woman.

Remember the x-ray that Juliet examined in "Not In Portland?" It was of a woman who was just 26 years old, but with the womb of a woman in her 70s. Now that physical time travel is a reality on the show, the solution is pretty straightforward.

Suppose you have a woman who was born in 1974. Suppose this woman is on the island in 1994 - that would make her 20 physical years old. That woman is physically time-skipped back to 1950 and is stuck there. Time progresses at a normal rate, and the woman ages in a normal fashion. In the year 2000, going by the woman's birthday, she should be 26 years old. But if you go by years that the woman physically lived she would be 70 years old - 20 years before island, and 50 years in the past.

The dates don't have to be accurate, but the concept is sound - Richard had an x-ray of a woman who had doubled back on her own timeline. I'm guessing there was nothing physically wrong with that particular woman's womb; Richard just used it as a tease to get Juliet to come to the island to work on the real fertility problem.


That makes absolutly no sense what ever.

Also as had been shown, time skipping is completly random. Also it seems doubtful that it has ever happened before. since it has been implied by Richard, Daniel, Pieere Chang, Ms.Hawking and Ben that if its not fixed realitvly soon, the world will end or something so disastrerous.

Also Juliet says what the fertility problem is in season 3.

You know, that's an interesting connection. The woman in the x-ray is a time traveler who is really older (in some ways) than she appears.

Coooool!

I would say that her WOMB traveled from the future into her past self.

I would say that her WOMB traveled from the future into her past self.
lol...instead of consciouslness switching a la Desmond, it's womb switching :24:

That makes absolutly no sense what ever.

Also as had been shown, time skipping is completly random. Also it seems doubtful that it has ever happened before. since it has been implied by Richard, Daniel, Pieere Chang, Ms.Hawking and Ben that if its not fixed realitvly soon, the world will end or something so disastrerous.

Also Juliet says what the fertility problem is in season 3.

Yes, time skipping is completely random - in my hypothetical, it randomly skipped the 20 year old woman back to 1950.

We don't know whether the island has destabilized like this before. All we know is it was stable when our Losties got there. So either the island did not destabilize the last time it was moved (in which case I'm dead wrong, and cheerfully so), or the island DID destabilize but the situation had been fixed before our Losties arrived. Thus, no previous end of the world. I'm hypothesizing along the second track - there was a woman on the island the last time it moved, the island destabilized, she was timeskipped to the past, and when the island was again temporally stable, she was trapped in the past. Time progressed at a normal rate, she aged in a normal manner, and by the time the x-ray was taken, she was physically age 70 (even though her birthday was only 26 years prior to the date the x-ray was taken).

Yes, Juliet said what the fertility problem was in season 3. If I'm remembering correctly it was that something about the island caused the immune systems of the mothers who concieved to attack the growing children. You'll note that has nothing whatsoever to do with 70 year old wombs in 26 year old bodies, which was the problem Richard inticed Juliet with in Not In Portland.

Seems like a good idea. Some people are confusing the "time skipping" we are seeing now as the only way to travel. I'm thinking you could get a single trip with more controlled results in other ways. Ben traveled through space and 10 months into the future by turning the wheel. The Tunsia polar bear traveled waaaaay back in time after it (presumably) turned the wheel for Dharma.

The womb x-ray woman may have traveled back in other ways, not the same skipping problem we are currently facing. Again, it's a good thought and I totally forgot about that x-ray until this post.

Thats a very interesting theory...but i don't think it makes sense. It doesnt make sense that she could be 20 years old and ye have the womb on a 70 year old. Hmmm, unless Dharma were doing experiments into things other than time travel? Like...putting really old wombs into young ladies? :confused:

Thats a very interesting theory...but i don't think it makes sense. It doesnt make sense that she could be 20 years old and ye have the womb on a 70 year old. Hmmm, unless Dharma were doing experiments into things other than time travel? Like...putting really old wombs into young ladies? :confused:

Legally, on paper only, the woman would be 26 years old. If you subtracted the date on her birth certificate from the date the x-ray was taken, the difference would be 26 years.

But she would have physically lived for 70 years in her personal experience. Add her years lived from birth to the time skip plus her years lived from the date she was stuck in the past until the date the x-ray was taken and you would get 70. Her womb would be physically 70 because she is physically 70.

That makes absolutly no sense what ever.



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Did that just make my day. I'm glad I came in this thread.


No matter what point you start traveling from, time is still passing for you, you're still aging. I can't wrap my head around a lady physically being twenty six years old and having a seventy year old womb.

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Did that just make my day. I'm glad I came in this thread.


No matter what point you start traveling from, time is still passing for you, you're still aging. I can't wrap my head around a lady physically being twenty six years old and having a seventy year old womb.

I didn't say she was physically 26. I said if you went by her birth certificate alone, she would technically be 26. How is age usually determined? By subtracting the current date from the date of birth. If you subtracted the date the x-ray was taken from the date on her birth certificate, there would be a difference of 26 years.

She is physically 70. As you say, she kept aging. If you counted up the number of years the woman actually had lived through, there would be 70 of them - 20 years from 1974 to 1994, and 50 years from 1950 to 2000. Yes, for a 20 year time period, there would be two versions of the woman - the younger one and the older one.

Richard is playing a logic game with Juliet. He's making her think that something horrible happened to a woman who was physically 26 years old. In reality, it is a perfectly healthy 70 year old woman who, through the trick of time travel, has doubled back on her own time line and is, as of the date the x-ray was taken, only mathematically 26 years old.

I don't know. Mathmetically she would still be 70 something years old. If she lived experienced every day or those seventy years, she's seventy. Time travel or not, imo.

I don't think Richard was trying to play a logic game with Juliet because there is a problem with mothers giving birth on the island. Less scientifically based, an old womb in a young body seems like the island's way of saying, no you will not make babies here. Whether they end up explaining exactly why or not, I don't know.

There could be some basis in science, I suppose because of radiation, or the negative exotic matter or whatever, but I think Richard was being straight with Juliet.

Perhaps on the outside she's in her twenties, and on the inside she's in her seventies.

The light on the Island doesn't scatter quite right.

I don't know. Mathmetically she would still be 70 something years old. If she lived experienced every day or those seventy years, she's seventy. Time travel or not, imo.

That is exactly the point I've been trying to make. I think the woman in the x-ray was a perfectly healthy 70 year old. But the woman was not standing in front of Juliet for Juliet to know that. If the woman's date of birth were listed on the x-ray, Juliet would calculate her age in the conventional manner - she would subtract the date of birth from the date the x-ray was taken. Juliet, and anyone who did not know time travel was possible, would believe the woman was 26 years old.

I don't think Richard was trying to play a logic game with Juliet because there is a problem with mothers giving birth on the island. Less scientifically based, an old womb in a young body seems like the island's way of saying, no you will not make babies here. Whether they end up explaining exactly why or not, I don't know. The problem, as has so far been explained to us, was that something on the island caused the immune systems of the mothers who conceived on the island to attack the babies while in womb. But Richard used the mystery of this 70 year old womb to lure Juliet to the island. I'm guessing that was just a way of teasing Juliet's professional curiosity.

I think Richard was being straight with Juliet.Why would you think that? We've seen Richard be just as manipulative as Ben. When Ben told Locke to kill Cooper, and Locke wouldn't do it, Richard pointed Locke in Sawyer's direction by giving Locke Sawyer's file. Richard wanted Locke in charge, and Richard was going to put Locke in charge.

Similarly, Juliet said she couldn't go work on another project unless her ex-husband got hit with a bus. Bam! He was hit by a bus! And when Juliet's six months were up, did they let her go home? Absolutely not. The Others wanted Juliet on that island, and they were willing to do or say whatever it took to get here and keep her there. Maybe they were afraid she wouldn't agree to go if she knew it was an immune problem. A little word manipulation about the actual physical age of the lady in the x-ray is certainly within Richard's capabilities.

If I could go back in time and not read this thread, then my brain would not explode. But you can't change the inevitable. its exploding.

If I could go back in time and not read this thread, then my brain would not explode. But you can't change the inevitable. its exploding.


LOL!

I have to agree with most folks here - if her womb is 70 years old then so is the rest of her body. She may show as 26 years old on paper but take one look at her and you'd know that wasn't the case.

I think we'll discover that the childbirth problem is tied to the unique timelessness of the Island (as has been suggested in other threads). IIRC the mothers and unborn children die near the end of the 2nd trimester. It could be that this is when the child begins to be sentient - i.e. it gains a consciousness and awareness of itself. This development cannot happen on the Island due to its yet undisclosed special properties or detached state of space/time.