Remember that Daniel explained to Des that Elose did not time travel, but rather that her consciousness went somewhere. We can see this again in Theresa. Their bodies did not go anywhere.

Likewise, the Left-Behinders are not time traveling. Their bodies are in the same places when the FDW was turned. In fact, their bodies have not moved during the entire first three episodes. (As of this writing we have only seen three episodes.) For example, physically, Sawyer and Juliet are still on the beach!

That event - the turning of the FDW - is causing their consciousnesses to collectively tap into a stream of consciousness that has already taken place, e.g. back to 1954 and the period of time between Des arriving on the Island and the crash of 815. It only looks like they are time traveling.

This is not a question of semantics. We've seen in The Constant and in Jughead that people do not physically travel to other times and other places.

It is the stream of consciousness that the Left-Behinders are riding. Likewise, they are interacting with the consciousnesses of those they meet in the stream. Any interactions that take place, are instilled into the minds of the participants.

Of course, if one of those participants is wounded or dies, that presents a very minor problem. That's another theory.


P. S. It is amazing how indigestion (nachos with too many jalapenos) can still inspire great ideas.

We've seen in The Constant and in Jughead that people do not physically travel to other times and other places.


Then we saw in The Shape of Things to Come that one could find themselves awakening in Tunisia, unaware of what date it is.

Then we saw in The Shape of Things to Come that one could find themselves awakening in Tunisia, unaware of what date it is.

Exactly.

Why limit yourself with one definition of time travel, if PTT (physical time travel) and CTT are both in the show then the writers have given themselves more options to craft the story.

Another Major problem with the lefties only CTTing is the meeting with Richard and Widmore etc which has already shaped events we've seen i the show, such as Richard visiting Lockes birth, fi they only CTTd, how did the others see their physical form? Send and arrow into their backs?

It doesn't work fundamentally.

It is the stream of consciousness that the Left-Behinders are riding. Likewise, they are interacting with the consciousnesses of those they meet in the stream. Any interactions that take place, are instilled into the minds of the participants.

I think there's something to this. And I think the Island is the hub... a place where the people CTTing meet and interact.

I don't think anyone on the island is physically there unless there is a body for them to inhabit.

Of course, if one of those participants is wounded or dies, that presents a very minor problem. That's another theory.


they are removed from the stream.

Ben says whoever turns the FDW can never go back....is kicked out of the stream of consciousness? Why because his body is physically removed.

I think if you have no body on the island, the island gives you one.
Charlotte is the conscioussness of Theresa lying in her hospital bed.
Daniel's body is on the island... he died in the Purge? (But he was also alive in the outside world).
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Locke's body has to be taken back to the island so that he can have a body for his consciousness to go into.

Ben would have to die to get back to the island, but he can't die because he is already dead, has already assumed a body. I think if Be were to die, he would permantely leave the stream of consciousness and be reborn into the physical world. I think the outside world we have seen is the spirit world (in the Sixth Sense sense).

Widmore died on the Black Rock and the island kept his consciousness until there was a body for him.. he took a US military soldier's body (Jones).

Pops, it's an interesting and creative speculation but I'm pretty sure Alpert said Locke disappeared. Also, how do you explain Daniel knocking on the Swan?

Another Major problem with the lefties only CTTing is the meeting with Richard and Widmore etc which has already shaped events we've seen i the show, such as Richard visiting Lockes birth, fi they only CTTd, how did the others see their physical form? Send and arrow into their backs?

It doesn't work fundamentally.

I agree. As an example, the Losties weren't on the Island in 1954 so how could their consciousness travel back there? they weren't even born yet, well most of them perhaps Rose and Bernard were, but none of the others were.

Exactly.

Why limit yourself with one definition of time travel, if PTT (physical time travel) and CTT are both in the show then the writers have given themselves more options to craft the story.

Another Major problem with the lefties only CTTing is the meeting with Richard and Widmore etc which has already shaped events we've seen i the show, such as Richard visiting Lockes birth, fi they only CTTd, how did the others see their physical form? Send and arrow into their backs?

It doesn't work fundamentally.

1. Okay, there are two methods of time travel: The Island's and Daniel's.
That solves that problem. Remember that Daniel's method failed.

2. As Dr. House likes to say, "Everyone lies." So you can interact with others in the stream and it is possible to die in the stream. That solves that problem.

Remember that Daniel tells Sawyer that if a meeting didn't take place in the past, it won't happen again. Then he turns around and meets with Desmond. So Des lies. Another problem solved.
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I agree. As an example, the Losties weren't on the Island in 1954 so how could their consciousness travel back there? they weren't even born yet, well most of them perhaps Rose and Bernard were, but none of the others were.

Because in the stream, you can visit any time period. Remember, it's a stream and you can go as far back in the past as you want to or even visit the future. Of course, the future has to have already happen.

Well, that one was easy.

Dead Doc Ray?

Dead Doc Ray?

1. Doc Ray passed through the Island's protective barrier.

2. The FDW had not been turned yet.

3. From Daniel's rocket experiment, we know that time passes at a different rate on the Island.

Likewise, the Left-Behinders are not time traveling. Their bodies are in the same places when the FDW was turned. In fact, their bodies have not moved during the entire first three episodes. (As of this writing we have only seen three episodes.) For example, physically, Sawyer and Juliet are still on the beach!

That event - the turning of the FDW - is causing their consciousnesses to collectively tap into a stream of consciousness that has already taken place, e.g. back to 1954 and the period of time between Des arriving on the Island and the crash of 815. It only looks like they are time traveling.

It is amazing how indigestion (nachos with too many jalapenos) can still inspire great ideas.

At first, I was ready to dismiss your idea as something conceived during an acute nacho psychosis. However, when I thought about it more, I found it intriguing.

While the theory has some difficulties, it could be used to explain Miles' power. He can tune into the stream (off the island as well, it appears), including the dead. It might explain Bea Klugh's statement to the effect of, "There's another way," to Patchy when she was asking him to shoot her. She merely joined the stream. Charlotte Malkin went into the stream (literally), entered the stream of the consciousnesses temporarily, and delivered a message to Eko from Yemi. I imagine a dozen more examples that seem to fit into your idea could be found.

One thing that came to mind is the time involved. You suggest that Sawyer and Juliet are still on the beach, but if they continue time-jumping, say for weeks, what happens to the bodies on the beach?

Why would Jacob need help? Does he need a body? Is he the only one without a body? Why is he special?

What about the "ghosts" of Lost. Charlie appearing to Hurley off island and beyond the date of his death.

It's a really neat idea to think about. Not sure if this is happening, but it seems to explain a lot.

One thing that came to mind is the time involved. You suggest that Sawyer and Juliet are still on the beach, but if they continue time-jumping, say for weeks, what happens to the bodies on the beach?

Why would Jacob need help? Does he need a body? Is he the only one without a body? Why is he special?

What about the "ghosts" of Lost. Charlie appearing to Hurley off island and beyond the date of his death.

It's a really neat idea to think about. Not sure if this is happening, but it seems to explain a lot.

Thank you for your support. You have no idea how difficult it is to explain this to someone outside the time travel industry.

1. About the folks on the beach... Let's hope it doesn't take weeks and is taking place in a short time. Actually, it doesn't seem to be taking more time than it would take to watch the first three episodes. In fact, it is taking place while the 06 are out on the ocean and before they are picked up by Penny. My colleagues and I call it "stream surfing" or "surfing the stream" much like "surfing the net" i.e. jumping around from site to site.

2. Jacob needs some kind of help. He may be suffering from agoraphobia (fear of open spaces) or technophobia (fear of technology) or even benlinusophobia (fear of Ben Linus). By the way, I did not factor Jacob into my explanation, however he probably has been dipping into the stream for a long time.

3. The "ghosts" of Lost, i.e. Hurley seeing Charlie, is probably one of Hurley's superpowers. He, like Miles, can see dead people.

P. S. I stated this in another thread that Ms. Spencer is experiencing what we in the time travel industry call "The Sam Beckett Syndrome" i.e. the inability to come back to the present from "surfing the stream." If you are not familiar with who Sam Beckett is, ask your parents.

I'm sorry but having nothing but CTT just causes too many headaches, physical interactions with people in the past is only the tip of the ice burg.

If it was CTT i guess the losties could be apparitions, but i bet you when this is all over, John Locke still has a gunshot wound to his leg.

If it was an apparition that couldn't happen.

I'm sorry but having nothing but CTT just causes too many headaches, physical interactions with people in the past is only the tip of the ice burg.

If it was CTT i guess the losties could be apparitions, but i bet you when this is all over, John Locke still has a gunshot wound to his leg.

If it was an apparition that couldn't happen.

CTT Greeting: Thank you for your interest in The Conscious Time Travel Company. Your call will be answered in the order it was relatively received.

CTT Agent: Hello? Conscious Time Travel. How may we help you?

Caller: I'm sorry but having nothing but CTT just causes too many headaches, physical interactions with people in the past is only the tip of the ice burg.

CTT Agent: We understand your concern, sir. Many people have raised the same issue. Let me see if I can explain it in a simple way.

You see, sir, there are many elements to CTT. For example, we tell our travelers that any injuries received during their streaming, will be brought back to the present when they return. That's why we tell our travelers not to engage in any intimate way with strangers or family members from their past.

I cannot tell you how many people have come back from a successful "stream surf" only to find an extra child deposited on their doorstep from a "brief encounter" with an old high school sweetheart. This is not a trip to Vegas. What happens in the stream, stays with you forever. So while in "the stream" either be prepared or keep it zipped.

Caller: If it was CTT i guess the losties could be apparitions, but i bet you when this is all over, John Locke still has a gunshot wound to his leg.

CTT Agent: There are many mysteries about CTT that even we don't fully understand. But, we do know that people do not become apparitions or encounter apparitions in the stream. You are fully there as is everyone you meet. We garrantee, sir, your "Losties" friends are not apparitions.

In the case of your friend "Mr. Locke" if he sustained a gunshot wound in the stream, he would certainly still have it upon his return. We hope he recovers.

Caller: If it was an apparition that couldn't happen.

CTT Agent: Sir, as I stated before, there are absolutely no apparitions in the stream. However, if you would like to reach a specific apparition from your past, we suggest you contact our sister network, Ghost Whispers Inc. and ask for Melinda Gordon. G-o-r-d-o-n. She's their top agent.

Thank you for calling The Conscious Time Travel Company. See you an another life.

The problem is you need another body of yours to contain your consciousness. It seems more like the Island's consciousness is unstuck.

The problem is you need another body of yours to contain your consciousness. It seems more like the Island's consciousness is unstuck.

There are many mysteries in the stream.