As much as I just LOVE him, he seems to have really made a come around as of late.* Since Confidence Man he has made 2 attempts at actually being a little more human and a little less of a jerk.* (And I say that in the kindest way - of course!)

Do we think this is for real?* Or is he just trying to "snow" everyone into thinking that he is turning into the "sensitive guy" we all want him to be??

The next episode shows him kneeling before Sayid with a straight razor.* I have heard it's just a teaser for us to think he's going to do something "less than sensitive" to Sayid.* Is he going to do a noble deed?* Or "do in" noble Sayid?

Just 2 episodes he was manipulating a kiss out of Kate, beating up Boone, and not being very cooperative about Shannon's inhalers.

Could it be we are now going to see a "kinder, gentler Sawyer" or another "Confidence Man"?* 8)

i really have no idea, but my theory is that he sees that Kate believes in him.
somehow he senses that she can see the real him under all the other crap.
that means a lot to him...b/c he doesnt really want to be "Sawyer" any more.

and i HOPE that he is not just playing the Con Man again.* i see no value in it.
what could he gain?* i also dont want him to be ALL that nice either.
i want that edge/hot headedness to be there just under the surface.
otherwise all that nice will just ruin him for me...he will be another Jack clone.

Jack is fine, what we have seen of him.* but i like a little monster in my TV boyfriends.* ;D

*claws halfrek's eyes, pulls halfrek's hair*
He's my TV Boyfriend

*cat screeches in background*

Anywho- I think it's real... We have seen guilt, and I got the impression it was genuine. I really think he will be redeemed. I have to believe in the good of man, especially one as hot as that.

Stephanie

*hee** there is really no need for that.


*claws halfrek's eyes, pulls halfrek's hair*
He's my TV Boyfriend
*cat screeches in background*


so he has A LOT of girlfriends.* :lol2:
we can work out a schedule for him.* as long as he is rested enough to erm, attend to our needs.* ;)

re: guilt.
yes we have seen that and it seems real, .but how can he be completely redeemed in such a short time?
i think he needs to struggle with it a bit longer.

what?* in addition to a little monster in my man, i also like to seem them tortured a bit.
but NOT like what happened with Sayid.* *shudder* the torture must be internal.* ;D

halfrek-

he's such a whore.

Re: Guilt- oh, I agree it will be a process, but I think it's definately started. I am not expecting him to be Jack tomorrow...I mean, we already have one of those....

Stephanie

he's such a whore.

*hee** true, but he is a pretty one with dimples. :P
i can make exceptions for that.* ;)


Re: Guilt- oh, I agree it will be a process, but I think it's definately started. I am not expecting him to be Jack tomorrow...I mean, we already have one of those....
Stephanie


so we agree then.* a slow process.* already started....and he will NOT turn into Jack.* ;)

okay....so should we work on THAT schedule now? :lol2:

Girls! Girls!*

Now, now - none of that hair-pulling, eye-scratching stuff!* There is enough of those dimples for all of us to have "a piece" (and I say that in the most kindest of ways also...* MEOW!)! ::)

I too like a little monster in my man!!* I certainly don't want him to be another "Jack" either!* So, I'm wondering how he's going to keep that "little bit of edge" you were talking about??

I have said before that I think he and Kate understand each other the most, because they know where each one is coming from and neither one can pull any crap on the other one!! Kind of "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" deal!* Although, I don't think that he and Kate are enemies.

So many strong personalities in the men of this show.* Will they break into different camps??* Join together for a common good but go their separate ways when the "threat" is over?*

Did you see Josh on Jimmy Kimmel Live tonight??* They gave a preview for next week's episode where Sawyer and Sayid are together in the cave.* Sawyer told Sayid that he has to come to the cave everyday for "antibiotics".* That's the first time I have seen his fingers all bandaged up!!* That's when he takes the straight razor in his hands.* Sayid looks pretty afraid of him!* But now Sayid is sick and vulnerable...* Sawyer's in the "cat-bird" seat!!

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actually, I did see Josh on Jimmy Kimmel. Did y'all now before tonight that Josh has been married to his longtime gf of 5 yrs for about 2 mos? Sorry to break the news to y'all. :'(

In the preview clip of Sawyer/Sayid in the cave, it wasn't a straight razor that Sawyer was holding in his hands, it was a pair of 'nippers', something like pliers, but with sharp edges used to cut things by pinching them closed. OUCH! Do you really think Sawyer will go through with his implied threat? Doesn't sound like turning over a new leaf to me.

His fingers have actually been bandaged up in every ep he has been in since the torture. I know becuase I always carefully check to see if they are. Yay for continuity! :D Boo for my poor baby's hurt digits. >:(

Josh told Kimmel that since everyone assumed Sawyer had the medication, he figured 'why not try and get something out of it'? But he said it cost ALOT! I thought that was funny. Josh was just a dreamboat. Humble, cute and sweet.

I don't think he's turning over a new leaf, at least not from what Josh said. I don't think he'll hurt Sayid, but I think he's going to have fun verbally threatening him.

I don't think it is at all permanent..this new leaf of his. I think he will go back and forth between his bad leaf and his new leaf. Not only that, but I think his attitude has a lot to do with how people approach him. With Kate, he likes to have that verbal tease every now and then, but at the same time hes more open with her than anyone else. So when Kate approaches him, we are most likely going to get some sense of that new leaf of his. With Jack, he's not going to automatically come out and be nice to him, expecially if Jack is the one to come up to him and throw out some mean comment..in that sense, Sawyer is going to revert back to his bad leaf. The last episode, Hurley went up to him very nicely and simply asked for the manuscript, Sawyer gave it to him. Because Hurley was patient with him and asked appropriately, Sawyer used his new leaf. I just see it as how Sawyer is approached and how people handle him, as to the way in which he acts. Maybe that is just me! :)

As far as the next episode with the whole Sayid thing, I agree with the person that said Sawyer will probably just verbally mess with him, but I don't think he will hurt Sayid. We shall see though! :)

I'd have to say that maybe it's a little of both. Sawyer probably realizes that being a jerk isn't going to get him very far, but I doubt he has turned a new leaf overnight. I love Sawyer, he is my favorite character(obviously ;D ), but we must remember that he was a con man, and can probably charm the birds out of trees and soforth. So there's probably something in it for him (like Kate.) But atleast we can see this other side of his character and hopefully understand his motivations better. I dont think Sawyer is trully bad, he just wants everyone to think so, if that makes sense.

Very astute Goonies123 and GirlSpy!!

I think you are both right!! I see him using this flip/flop (where have I heard that before...? Hmmm?) personality to get whatever he wants from "whoever" he wants it from. That's probably part of his normal nature coming out that we haven't seen yet. He's probably very much the chameleon who assesses his environment to see how he's going to "blend in".

As you said Goonies, depending on who he's working with at the time is which side of the "turning leaf" he will be on!!

I liked Josh's comment about his character the other night. About why Sawyer pretty much hoards everything so that everyone will have to come to him!

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I liked Josh's comment about his character the other night.* About why Sawyer pretty much hoards everything so that everyone will have to come to him!*


yes, i loved that comment too. i find it hard to believe that this was his first talkshow interview.
but given the nature of Hollywood, it does happen that way.

wouldnt it be fun to see him on Ellen?
i mean after the great interview/fun time Matthew Fox had on her show...she would have a great time calling him Dimples. :lol2:

a girl can dream. ;)

I thought he did a good job considering he said it was his first interview.

Where I would love to see him interviewed is with the ladies of The View!! Boy they would eat him up with a spoon!!

Where I would love to see him interviewed is with the ladies of The View!! Boy they would eat him up with a spoon!!


oh yes...that would be great...that way he would be prepared for the LOST party in April and all his fans. ;)

i foresee a mob such as the ones that followed Marsters around. ::)
though i hope that it doesnt get that bad.

I posted a new thread that's sort of similar to this - should have scrolled down!

I think that the clip with the straight razor will show us what a *good* guy Sawyer is. ;) I think he'll just show Sayid that he could have hurt him, and will choose not to - to make the point that he's a better guy than Sayid and "cool it already with the superiority bit". That's just my humble opinion!

Sayid will then feel like crap and they'll bond and maybe not be buds, but have some understanding. I predict that we'll see Sawyer swing pretty far to the good side here fairly quickly, and some of the others swing bad.

Thought it was really interesting the whole "Sayid-Sawyer" scene. Here was a perfect time for Sawyer to really rub some "cosmic Karma" in Sayid's face. Gotta hand it to Sayid though, he broke the "cat strut" with his confession of being ashamed at what he did to Sawyer.

Notice that Sawyer never apologized to Sayid, or said, "hey, no hard feelings", "forgive and forget", however, his truce was in the "kept the signal fires burning". I think he meant that more for Sayid than for any planes that might have gone by.

What do you think?? (I'll post also on S.I.M.)
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I agree. I felt that by him saying that he was trying to tell Sayid in a way that he hasnt completely gone against him. Showing Sayid that he didnt go completely hay-wired while he was away and trash everything that essential was his. In a way, he kept Sayid in memory back at the camp.

What I want to know is - what was up with all the questions between he and Sayid?? Even Sayid was a little "baffled" by them!

I kept wondering if it was just a "writer's" way of clearing some of the obvious conversations that must have gone on with all the characters (when we were not around to watch them on TV _ :lol2:) or is Sawyer truly curious about what Sayid found?

He didn't seem the least bit sarcastic about what Sayid was saying either - which - given the precarious relationship between the two - is totally "UN-Sawyer-like".

Is he just wanting to be "in the loop" with what's going on? (since he has alienated himself from everyone) Or, is he "up to something"?

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I think in Sawyer's twisted way, he wants to be in the loop, but he doesn't want people to know he's in the loop. If you look back, Sawyer had plenty of chances to just hang back and mope around by himself, but he chose to participate. Like when they originally found the distress signal, or he was going to tell Kate about Jack being stuck in the cave. I think he's just as curious as everyone else, but feels the need to uphold his loner/bad boy image to maintain credibility. It's a constant struggle for him, largely in part to his inner-demons. I think the conversation between Sawyer and Sayid proved that he is capable of being part of the group. If anything, Claire and Charlies kidnapping will bring the survivors all closer together because now it's not about getting rescued any more, it's about survivial.

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i really have no idea, but my theory is that he sees that Kate believes in him.
somehow he senses that she can see the real him under all the other crap.
that means a lot to him...b/c he doesn't really want to be "Sawyer" any more.

halfrek, I think that's it in a nutshell. He doesn't want to be Sawyer, but after all this time, he doesn't know how. Who knows how he grew up and how he had to live. Probably didn't pick up any positive social skills. The fact that Kate seems to see something worthwhile in him (that is, doesn't treat him like a pariah) is giving him hope. At least that's what I think is going on. You never know. . . . ;)

Sawyer is definetly one of the most intriguing characters on the show...it is cool to see how many posts this character (and Josh himself) has generated on the board, even the ones who seems to hate him has an opinon on him (allthough negative..grrr). It is fun trying to figure out what goes on in this "complex guy sweetheart" guy's head :).

I gotta admit the few episodes..think it was up to episode 3 (Tabula Rasa) I thought he was a jerk but a cute one LOL. I did start seeing this show due to Dom (big LOTR fan but Aragorn is my fave). Then something happened that I started to see there was DEFINETLY more behind that "tough badass" exterior Sawyer wants us to see....if he was such a bad human being, that all fell to pieces for me in the backflash we saw with Sawyer, walking away from a scam, money and all. Just because of the adorable little boy he saw. Wayy too close to home for comfort apparantly. As it was a picture perfect image of what he had gone thru. If anyone could still hate Sawyer after that and claim he is a bad person without a heart&soul they must have slept thru that scene..

I do think he is coming around, slowly but surely. He wont go go all goody 2 shoes on the show though, or I hope not, I want him still to keep that edge. It is gonna take a while to get rid of the bad ways he has gotten use to for most of his life...it wont go away all at once. But I don't think he will be the "bad boy" all the time anymore. As long as he doesnt loose the edge and those hilarous comments (one of my fave parts with him...lol) I am all for that evolution. I don't think he is out to con the survivors..they are too suspicious towards him allready.

I worry about Sawyer, lol. Part of me thinks, like the rest of us, that he's coming around. And then... I don't know.

I worry that he is conning Kate. I'm sure his feelings for her are genuine, but... Sawyer's not stupid, either. Kate is close to Jack. Kate has a hell of a lot of pull around the camps. She's smart, tough, has PLENTY of survival skills... He'd be insane not to be on her good side. He doesn't NEED Jack on his side, because he has Kate. I would not be at all surprised to see Sawyer using Kate to get things he needs from Jack at some point. Hell, she used Jack against Sawyer... why couldn't he use HER against Jack?

Don't get me wrong. It sounds like I hate Kate, and I really don't at all. She's nearly as complex as Sawyer, and I love that about her. I think that's what Sawyer likes about her, too, though. He's so used to having everyone pegged. To con someone, you have to know how they are going to react to things. With her, I don't think he can tell. It fascinates him. He already knows how to piss Jack off. He knows how to get to Hurley, and Charlie, and Boone, and even Shannon. He can read them, but not Kate.

Part of me thinks he is testing people in his own way. To test their tolerance. To see what makes them tick. He's got most of them figured out (and something tells me he's got Locke figured out, too... but that's just speculation), but the ones he DOESN'T have figured out, are the ones he seems more open to. Part of me worries that this openness is just another con. Another way to get people to reveal themselves, so he will know how to deal with them.

*sigh* Damn you, Sawyer... :devil:

I don't worry so much about Sawyer conning Kate, as Kate conning Sawyer. :(

You are right in thinking that Sawyer "thinks" he has everyone pegged but Kate. (I don't think Locke cares one iota about Sawyer and wants to have everyone else think they need to get rid of Sawyer - i.e. Sayid...)

I think the fact that she is so understanding to him as a person is what is going to get him into trouble. She knows how to get to HIM! Pegged him in Confidence Man. But what I think he believes is her "warming up to him" and being understanding, is not that at all - it's her trying to get him where she wants him. Believe it or not, Kate is Sawyer's only "friend" on that island. And I am worried about that!

Okay - I'm putting this out to JJ Abrams et al - there needs to be a new female character brought out of the remaining 40-something who can love Sawyer :-* for who he is and will defend him come what may. I will volunteer to be this female character. ::)

"I'm ready for my close-up Mr. Demille" or "Mr. Abrams" as the case may be!! ;D

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I don't worry so much about Sawyer conning Kate, as Kate conning Sawyer.

You are right in thinking that Sawyer "thinks" he has everyone pegged but Kate. (I don't think Locke cares one iota about Sawyer and wants to have everyone else think they need to get rid of Sawyer - i.e. Sayid...)

I think the fact that she is so understanding to him as a person is what is going to get him into trouble. She knows how to get to HIM! Pegged him in Confidence Man. But what I think he believes is her "warming up to him" and being understanding, is not that at all - it's her trying to get him where she wants him. Believe it or not, Kate is Sawyer's only "friend" on that island. And I am worried about that!

Yes, Get In Lost, I see what you are saying about those 2 being dangerous for one another, but at the same time, they could be eachother's remedy, if you know what I mean? Sawyer seems well aware of Kate's conning abilities, maybe even more so than Jack. Athough Jack was smart enough to catch Kates little bait and switch w/the key, Sawyer warned him that she was up to something. Locke is a whole other issue, but I think he clearly wanted Sayid to hurt Sawyer. I dont know if he thought it would benefit Sawyer or Sayid, or maybe both, but either way--he played devils advocate in that little quarrel. It will be very interesting to see what happens next between Kate and Sawyer though. I'm rooting for them as a couple cause I think they have great chemistry and are a good match. If anyone can handle Sawyer Kate can.

But that goes for me too, if you need any island extras, JJ--I volunteer ;).

GettinLost - I totally agree about Kate conning Sawyer. I think he's going to get his heart broke. I don't trust her at all. At least with Sawyer, he doesn't try to hide the fact that he's a little Salty (as Josh called his character). Kate, on the other hand, pretends to be this sweet innocent person and she lies. I never know what the truth is with her any more.

My apologies to all the Kate fans here. :-[