No constant = Sickness?

I thought the same thing, and it would make sense, but at the moment there is little basis for the theory, other than Daniel not getting nose bleeds. It does make sense if the rst of the group don't have constants so their minds cannot deal with time travel...

Yes.

They are definitely trying to make a link between the constant-related consciousness time travel such as Desmond and Minkowski experienced in "The Constant" and the nose bleeds that Charlotte and the lefties are experiencing at the moment.

Daniel said that someone who has been on the island for a longer period of time will develop the symptoms first, from their exposure to the islands electromagnetic energy.

Rosseau said that her team suffered from "the sickness" before she killed them. Since they did not know the bearing in which to safely go between the island and the real world, i think we can assume that they started experiencing the nosebleeds and consciousness flashes, but not immediately, because they were on the island, unlike Desmond and Minkowski, they experienced the sickness after a period of time just like the lefties. Rosseua could have had her constant with her, i think that fact is obvious when we saw her carrying the music box in the raft.

Whether they actually need to find contsants for everyone, or if the island's return to equilibrium sorts them out we don't know, but i already see the return of the 06 solving a few of the problems.

Sawyer has Kate
Jin has Sun.
Juliette and Jack????? i don't know about this one.

How they sort out the rest i don't know. Or who don't they save in time? Charlotte? Miles? Juliette?

Ack!!!! Two totally different things!! :wallbash:

Desmond's experience and the Left Behind's experiences are two seperate things.

Ack!!!! Two totally different things!! :wallbash:

Desmond's experience and the Left Behind's experiences are two seperate things.

I agree. Daniel said that they are experiencing Time Jumping jet lag. The only time we have seen someone need a "Constant" is when they are consciousness traveling. They need the island to stop jumping through time.

I agree. Daniel said that they are experiencing Time Jumping jet lag. The only time we have seen someone need a "Constant" is when they are consciousness traveling. They need the island to stop jumping through time.


Finally...someone agress with me. I feel like Hurley must have felt when Danielle told him that yes, the numbers must be cursed. Someone finally agrees with me.

Ack!!!! Two totally different things!! :wallbash:

Desmond's experience and the Left Behind's experiences are two seperate things.
Thank you. They are two very different events, although when Charlotte first wakes up, I though for sure she was consciousness jumping. More people agree with you than you think Molly. I've said from the get go that there are several different events that have happened, FBYE was something else then in The Constant, and both are comletely different than whatever the Leftbehinders are experiencing on the Island. As evidence FBYE Island Desmond went back to the time before he was on the Island, The Constant was 1996 Desmond pulled forward into 2004 Desmond and finally the Leftbehinders are physically TT to several different time locations.

Since they started time jumping:

- Daniel has seen Desmond
- Locke has seen Richard
- Sawyer has seen Kate

Coincidence that those are the only three not bleeding?

Constant constant=ears bleed.

Jin has seen Rosseau.....

Now obviously he will be disappearing at somepoint soon, along with the others, so maybe she didn't get the sickness and all her team did, is because she saw Jin when she first got to the island.

A little like how Richard went to see Locke when he was younger because locke told him to.

Since they started time jumping:

- Daniel has seen Desmond
- Locke has seen Richard
- Sawyer has seen Kate

Coincidence that those are the only three not bleeding?

As Daniel explained later in the episode, it's related to how long you've been on the island. Granted, he didn't seem to sure of himself, but that's what the writers have done with Daniel all season, use him as a conduit of information for us so we can diagnose what's happening.

But they are all together. Would they be each others constants?

I think it's a combination of factors, involving bearings to the island, length of exposure and a constant. And I wholeheartedly agree that what's happening to the Lefties is very different than what happens to Des, or Minkowski, etc.

I also wonder, though, if the constant needs to be something that you know outside the island. Penny is Des's constant; Des is Daniel's. Both relationships exist outside the island.

From "The Constant":

DAN: In your case, I'm guessing that progression is exponential. Each time your consciousness jumps, it gets harder to jump back. I would be careful crossing the street if I were you.

few lines later...

DAN: I don't know. I think Eloise's brain short-circuited. The jumps between the present and the future...she couldn't tell which was which, she had no anchor.
DESMOND: Wh...what do you mean, anchor?
DAN: Something familiar in both times. All this, see this is variables, it's random, it's chaotic. Every equation needs stability, something known. It's called a constant. Desmond, you have no constant. When you go to the future, nothing there is familiar. So if you want to stop this, then you need to find something there...something that you really, really care about....that also exists back here, in 1996.


He specifically references Consciouseness Time Travel and the need for an anchor. We haven't been given any evidence that they are CTT'ing. We have been given evidence that these are the "very bad things" that Jack and Ben referenced happening to the Left Behinders. To this point in the season we haven't seen anyone CTT. My opinion...

From "The Constant":



few lines later...



He specifically references Consciouseness Time Travel and the need for an anchor. We haven't been given any evidence that they are CTT'ing. We have been given evidence that these are the "very bad things" that Jack and Ben referenced happening to the Left Behinders. To this point in the season we haven't seen anyone CTT. My opinion...


Yes! Makes sense!

He specifically references Consciouseness Time Travel and the need for an anchor. We haven't been given any evidence that they are CTT'ing. We have been given evidence that these are the "very bad things" that Jack and Ben referenced happening to the Left Behinders. To this point in the season we haven't seen anyone CTT. My opinion...

:clapping:Bringing it back to the dialogue

:clapping:Bringing it back to the dialogue

Indeed! I applaud as well!

I've always been a big fan of the dialogue on this show as being the only truth we can go by. Granted, there is Ben, but a lot of the times he is telling the truth in a morally ambiguous way.

When it comes to time travel, and the confusion that comes packaged with it, the Powers that Be (I HOPE) would specifically tell us what is going on through the dialogue. Time travel is tough enough, but listen to what Daniel is saying (he's our mouthpiece). If he tells us Desmond is special, believe it. If he tells us CTT needs a constant, believe it. If he tells us that our noses spring leaks because our brain is jet lagged, believe it. You can get nose bleeds from different stuff: getting punched, a really dry nose etc. Different causes, same effect. The physical aspects of time travel symptoms can be misleading, but the dialogue was put there to explain the differences and the why?.

Climbs down from soapbox...

The TT that the losties are going through right now does not allow enough time to establish a constant before the next flash appears. Besides we would need to see both sides of the TT for us to even understand it. THERE WERE NO FLASHES (not yelling) with Desmond. He just went comatose. In Daniels office Daniel said he had to carry Desmond to the chair. In the stairs he fell over and went limp.
On the island the losties see the "light" every time they TT.
100%
Jin has seen Rosseau.....

Now obviously he will be disappearing at somepoint soon, along with the others, so maybe she didn't get the sickness and all her team did, is because she saw Jin when she first got to the island.

A little like how Richard went to see Locke when he was younger because locke told him to.

Danielle would have to make contact with Jin in BOTH times during conscious time travel (CTT). So we would need to see her jumping ahead/backward "contacting" (according to Dan) Jin, in another time. There must be something there to her not getting sick.

Richard going to see Locke was a result of physical time travel (PTT) this occurs when your body in its present age jumps to another time, future or past. Richard went there because Locke told Richard to before Locke was born.

You would be unable to CTT to before you were born, because, well you weren't there.

Hope that helps:biggrin: