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NotAnOther89 02-06-2009, 08:48 PM Not really, but after reading up on the story of the book "The Little Prince", there are some pretty big similarities to what Lockes about to/has gone through. I haven't actually read the book so if someone has and I got any of this wrong, let me know.
The book is about a guy that lives on a small asteroid, and his job is to take care of it and protect it (Locke protects the island). Eventually he leaves and goes to visit 6 other planets, each of them has a different person on it that he meets (Locke leaves the island to visit the Oceanic 6). After this he goes to earth where he lands in a desert and meets a man. He tells the man about all of this and then he tells the man he is about to die, but he isn't actually dead it will just appear that way to him, and he is actually returning to his asteroid (Locke now appears to be dead, but he is on his way back to the island).
Just thought it was an interesting parallel I wanted to share.
freighter hater 02-06-2009, 08:52 PM Not really, but after reading up on the story of the book "The Little Prince", there are some pretty big similarities to what Lockes about to/has gone through. I haven't actually read the book so if someone has and I got any of this wrong, let me know.
The book is about a guy that lives on a small asteroid, and his job is to take care of it and protect it (Locke protects the island). Eventually he leaves and goes to visit 6 other planets, each of them has a different person on it that he meets (Locke leaves the island to visit the Oceanic 6). After this he goes to earth where he lands in a desert and meets a man. He tells the man about all of this and then he tells the man he is about to die, but he isn't actually dead it will just appear that way to him, and he is actually returning to his asteroid (Locke now appears to be dead, but he is on his way back to the island).
Just thought it was an interesting parallel I wanted to share.
Not so sure your off base. Just because Aaron was prominent in the story last night doesn't mean that the Little Prince refers to him and as you point out the story does seem to fit Locke. Might be odd to refer to Locke as a Little Prince but, hey, it's Lost.
BillToons 02-06-2009, 08:56 PM I don't know the book at all but if this is so it could make some sense.
As far as epi titles are concerned this was probably not about Aaron at all. I think back to the epi entitled "The Man Behind the Curtain" which on the surface seemed to be about Ben. I'm of the opinion it was really about Richard Alpert. So I can buy this.
NotAnOther89 02-06-2009, 08:57 PM Well from what I hear the book has a lot of other themes and aspects of it that could relate to Aaron/this episode, but this part of it really struck me as being similar to Locke.
rebopper 02-06-2009, 10:19 PM I think you are right! I found this, by Jay Glatfelter:
"The Little Prince: The French word written on the can that Locke kicked over was "besixdouze." 46610 Besixdouze is the name of an asteroid discovered in 1993 that served as a tribute to the story "The Little Prince." In the story, the 'Little Prince' character lived on an asteroid called B612. B-6-12 is pronounced "besixdouze" in French. Looks like the episode's title has a deeper meaning than meets the eye."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-glatfelter/on-ilosti-the-little-prin_b_164403.html
He also points out that:
"Ben's "Locke Transport" van had the words "Canton Rainier" on it. Those words are an anagram for "reincarnation." Are we getting clues to the fate of our beloved John Locke?"
Also, found this:
"But as far as connections to The Little Prince go, there is one obvious one with Ben. When Ben turned the wheel and moved the island, he landed in the middle of the Sahara Desert. In Saint-Exupéry’s novel, the narrator is a pilot whose plane goes down in the Sahara Desert."
http://eclairefare.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/lost-54-the-little-prince/
LITTLE PRINCE THEORIES:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Little_Prince/Theories
BrothaJefe316 02-06-2009, 10:35 PM Maybe Aaron is a reincarnation of Locke.
BillToons 02-06-2009, 10:40 PM Maybe Aaron is a reincarnation of Locke.
I'd like to ponder this but Aaron was born before Locke died. But then again Locke made a cradle for the then un-born Aaron. Maybe that wasn't the present time Locke who built it?
freighter hater 02-06-2009, 10:47 PM Maybe Aaron is a reincarnation of Locke.
I see this theory going around but don't know how it would work. How about Aaron is the reincarnation of Christian? Just a thought
rebopper 02-06-2009, 10:47 PM Maybe Aaron is a reincarnation of Boone. Locke said Boone's death was a sacrifice the island demanded. Maybe he said that because he knew Boone would be reincarnated as Aaron.
The writers chose to show Aaron's birth, so perhaps the reincarnation refers to Aaron, not Locke.
I don't believe Locke would be reincarnated as Aaron. It would alter the time line. The death of Boone occurs in the same time line as Aaron being born.
freighter hater 02-06-2009, 10:50 PM Maybe Aaron is a reincarnation of Boone. Locke said Boone's death was a sacrifice the island demanded. Maybe he said that because he knew Boone would be reincarnated as Aaron.
The writers chose to show Aaron's birth, so perhaps the reincarnation refers to Aaron, not Locke.
I don't believe Locke would be reincarnated as Aaron. It would alter the time line. The death of Boone occurs in the same time line as Aaron being born.
Interesting. But why Boone other than the fact that his death coincided with Aaron's birth. Or maybe reincarnation doesn't need a reason
CrazyLatin007 02-06-2009, 11:27 PM I think The Little Prince might turn out to be Aaron but I like Doc Jensen's theory that it could be Jack and the parallels he draws.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20256594_2,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20256594_3,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20256594_4,00.html
The first link sets up the book, the second talks about possible parallels and the third talks about why Jensen thinks it might be Jack.
Whoever it is intendend to be, I have a feeling it's Shephard related. That family seems to be gaining more and more importance within the mythology. We now have 4 Shephards on the show: Christian, Jack, Claire and Aaron, and I read that:
Grampa Shephard (Christian's dad) will make an appearance soon!
MPmom 02-07-2009, 12:03 AM Interesting thread. I hadn't thought beyond TLP being anyone but Aaron. That is quite a parallel between Locke and the Prince!
I haven't read Doc Jensen's theory yet, but initial gut feeling - I cant see Jack in the Prince role. His role is shepherd, to gather the flock and keep them safe.
We know Boone died at the moment Aaron was born. Was that more than to illustrate the balance of life and death? I don't think Boone was integral to the story enough to be prince of anything. He was too much a follower.
NotAnOther89 02-07-2009, 12:05 AM Interesting thread. I hadn't thought beyond TLP being anyone but Aaron. That is quite a parallel between Locke and the Prince!
I haven't read Doc Jensen's theory yet, but initial gut feeling - I cant see Jack in the Prince role. His role is shepherd, to gather the flock and keep them safe.
We know Boone died at the moment Aaron was born. Was that more than to illustrate the balance of life and death? I don't think Boone was integral to the story enough to be prince of anything. He was too much a follower.
Well Jensen relates the Prince and Jack because the Prince becomes depressed about leaving his asteroid to go to other places and realizes he never should have left...you can see the parallel.
CrazyLatin007 02-07-2009, 12:10 AM Well Jensen relates the Prince and Jack because the Prince becomes depressed about leaving his asteroid to go to other places and realizes he never should have left...you can see the parallel.
Also because the Prince makes a deal with a snake (who is bad) to go back, and Jack makes a deal with Ben (who is a snake ;)) to go back.
enigma420 02-07-2009, 12:12 AM Not really, but after reading up on the story of the book "The Little Prince", there are some pretty big similarities to what Lockes about to/has gone through. I haven't actually read the book so if someone has and I got any of this wrong, let me know.
The book is about a guy that lives on a small asteroid, and his job is to take care of it and protect it (Locke protects the island). Eventually he leaves and goes to visit 6 other planets, each of them has a different person on it that he meets (Locke leaves the island to visit the Oceanic 6). After this he goes to earth where he lands in a desert and meets a man. He tells the man about all of this and then he tells the man he is about to die, but he isn't actually dead it will just appear that way to him, and he is actually returning to his asteroid (Locke now appears to be dead, but he is on his way back to the island).
Just thought it was an interesting parallel I wanted to share.
Two thumbs up. I'm definitely curious to see the circumstances of Locke's death.
bousha1 02-07-2009, 02:58 AM People who do believe in reincarnation believe that it takes place at conception, not at birth, so if Darlton are using the traditional belief, it is not possible that Aaron is Boone.
Sawyerluver 02-07-2009, 03:15 AM Not really, but after reading up on the story of the book "The Little Prince", there are some pretty big similarities to what Lockes about to/has gone through. I haven't actually read the book so if someone has and I got any of this wrong, let me know.
The book is about a guy that lives on a small asteroid, and his job is to take care of it and protect it (Locke protects the island). Eventually he leaves and goes to visit 6 other planets, each of them has a different person on it that he meets (Locke leaves the island to visit the Oceanic 6). After this he goes to earth where he lands in a desert and meets a man. He tells the man about all of this and then he tells the man he is about to die, but he isn't actually dead it will just appear that way to him, and he is actually returning to his asteroid (Locke now appears to be dead, but he is on his way back to the island).
Just thought it was an interesting parallel I wanted to share.
I read the book but until reading your post never made the connection between the prince visiting the 6 other planets and Locke visting the O6. Nice job!
I see Locke as more of the Little Prince too...at least this go round,maybe next in line for "prince" is Aaron.
In the book,the only way back to his home planet is to be bitten by a snake which makes him appear dead;his body appear dead. The snake could represent Ben. Ben is how Locke gets "home".
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Well Jensen relates the Prince and Jack because the Prince becomes depressed about leaving his asteroid to go to other places and realizes he never should have left...you can see the parallel.
By the same theory, I imagine we will see Locke get depressed at not being able to convince the O6 to return during his visits with each of them. So depressed that he kills himself or at least takes steps to "die" to save his home,the Island, knowing that he can return in some form.
JacobIsGod 02-07-2009, 03:40 AM Not so sure your off base. Just because Aaron was prominent in the story last night doesn't mean that the Little Prince refers to him and as you point out the story does seem to fit Locke. Might be odd to refer to Locke as a Little Prince but, hey, it's Lost.
Well technically we never saw who it was that got Emily preggers before she got waxed by that car
Who do you think was her baby Daddy?
NotAnOther89 02-07-2009, 12:59 PM By the same theory, I imagine we will see Locke get depressed at not being able to convince the O6 to return during his visits with each of them. So depressed that he kills himself or at least takes steps to "die" to save his home,the Island, knowing that he can return in some form.
This makes sense, since Richard told Locke he needed to die, he obviously knew already knew that's what it would take to convince Jack they needed to go back. Maybe when Richard patched Johns bullet wound up and told him this, that was already after John and the O6 returned to the island.
capitan_mission 02-07-2009, 01:26 PM I read the book, it was great. I havent noticed this.. maybe
Roland 02-07-2009, 06:11 PM I just listened to the latest Lost podcast, and Damon and Carlton confirmed that the tile of the episode was a reference to the book "The Little Prince".
ame en peine 02-07-2009, 06:43 PM I posted the same hunch - that Locke is the Little Prince - right after the episode in the "Little Prince Reference" thread...
We were discussing the Prince's love of the flower in the book, and I drew the conclusion that Locke loves the island (the flower) so much that he is willing to die (be bit by the snake)..
My signature contains a key quote from the book; I've carried that around this place for a long time.. It has to do with seeing things rightly with the heart and not the eyes.. Locke uses different eyes to see the island for it's true beauty. He is seeing the island rightly, with his heart. All else is invisible to the eye. Remember Locke looked into the islands eye, and it was beautiful...
eyris 02-08-2009, 01:24 AM I agree the little prince character in the book actually refers to Locke more than anyone else. As for the book as a whole and how it relates to this particular episode, I think Jensen really nailed it down in his recap:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20257040_3,00.html
He cited the ultimate theme of the book which is: "You become responsible for what you tame," which would refer mostly to the Kate/Aaron relationship in this episode but could also be applied to pretty much every other relationship on Lost. (Including the relationship between humans and the Island, I'm thinking.)
Devera 02-08-2009, 11:58 PM Not really, but after reading up on the story of the book "The Little Prince", there are some pretty big similarities to what Lockes about to/has gone through. I haven't actually read the book so if someone has and I got any of this wrong, let me know.
The book is about a guy that lives on a small asteroid, and his job is to take care of it and protect it (Locke protects the island). Eventually he leaves and goes to visit 6 other planets, each of them has a different person on it that he meets (Locke leaves the island to visit the Oceanic 6). After this he goes to earth where he lands in a desert and meets a man. He tells the man about all of this and then he tells the man he is about to die, but he isn't actually dead it will just appear that way to him, and he is actually returning to his asteroid (Locke now appears to be dead, but he is on his way back to the island).
Just thought it was an interesting parallel I wanted to share.
I love this! It definitely sounds like a Locke parallel. Very cool.
Also, we have to remember that the writers love having multiple meanings in their titles/references, so just because "The Little Prince" is about Locke, doesn't mean it can't also be about Aaron, Jack, et cetera.
Liplocked 02-09-2009, 11:24 AM Finding this now is funny; I just got off explaining how The Moth, was really John Locke even if the epi was a Charlie flashback, and now I get to use the word synchronicity for the second time in two weeks when I never used it before.
I can't help but think the little prince of the title is wee Desmond's son. All that romanticised fair Scotland stuff made me think of Jacobites, heirs hidden on islands and John Locke's support for William of Orange!
gads - I'm going to read me that French book for pleasure. Give the theorist in me a break.
(some hope! even now I realise Bonnie Prince Charlie went 'over the sea to Skye' in the company of a woman called Flora - a flower. Argh!)
I see this theory going around but don't know how it would work. How about Aaron is the reincarnation of Christian? Just a thought
Christian has still been seen since Aaron was born.
I think Charlie Hume is the Little Prince
1) i think that the little prince can refer to locke, based on the old story, but i also think it refers to aaron. i have thought for a while now that aaron is "special" in the same ways ben and locke were, and is the heir-apparent to the island throne.
2) i don't know if this is super obvious to anyone else, but Miles = Candle's (amongst other names) son. the first scene of the premiere this year, it shows candle with an infant. daniel suspects the nosebleeds are happening to people with prolonged exposure.
addictedfan 02-09-2009, 03:41 PM I posted the same hunch - that Locke is the Little Prince - right after the episode in the "Little Prince Reference" thread...
We were discussing the Prince's love of the flower in the book, and I drew the conclusion that Locke loves the island (the flower) so much that he is willing to die (be bit by the snake)..
My signature contains a key quote from the book; I've carried that around this place for a long time.. It has to do with seeing things rightly with the heart and not the eyes.. Locke uses different eyes to see the island for it's true beauty. He is seeing the island rightly, with his heart. All else is invisible to the eye. Remember Locke looked into the islands eye, and it was beautiful...
What a beautiful quote!
I agree that that Locke is the Little Prince but I can't help but wonder with seeing a little (very blonde) Aaron focused on in the epi. if he will be a future Little Prince figuratively speaking as in the Saint Exupery novel and/or next in the Shepard line for "royalty"/leadership on the Island.
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I don't think the Little Prince refers to little Charlie Hume as we don't see him at all in this episode.
I think all the newest generation of Losties like Aaron,Ji Yeon, and Charlie Hume will have similar destinies to their parents ...the same roles as their parent(s) have in connection to the Island.
-Aaron will be another in the long line of Shepard's....bringing his "sheep" back to the "fold so to speak like Christian and Jack and I suppose Claire too as she literally brings Aaron to the Island to be born.
-Charlie H. will be "unique and special" and have a purpose much like Desmond in saving the world from the effects of time on the Island. Unless he goes to the dark side and has to repeat the role of his grandfather,Widmore.
-Ji Yeon will play a role in the Island's destiny like Sun and/Jin....not sure yet of their special purpose yet...
honeymfw 02-10-2009, 08:36 PM Aaron means the deciever. He is the grandson of Abraham and Sarah. Aaron is very significant in the bible as the brother of Moses and there are some stories in the bible about him accompanying Moses to Pharoah and demonstrating the power of God. In one of the demonstrations he turns his staff into a snake. Aaron also joins Moses on the 1st trip to Mount Sinai to receive the 10 Commandments. He stays behind on the second trip and the people are restless and loose faith in Moses because he is gone so long. Aaron makes and image the golden calf for them to worship. Aarons act leads people to the sin of idolatry. The story goes that Moses comes down from Mount Sinai with the tablets "10 Commandments" sees his people worshiping the idol breaks the tablets, burns the golden calf in a fire and grinds up the ashes throws it into the water and commands that his people drink the water. Moses then slaughters 3000 men.
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Another thought is that a lot of the names are biblical and have some common threads with. Benjamin is the son of Jacob. Rachel died while giving birth to him. Rachel is the sister of Juliette who could not bear children until Juliette through science allowed this mircale to happen.
Jacob was a twin his brother was Esau. Maybe we will find out that Jacob in fact has a twin.
I don't want to get too religious but there are a few undertones of religion in LOST. Christianity, Buddhism and some ancient religions such as Egytpian with all of the "glyphs" around.
Just food for thought. That's what makes lost so DAMN good
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