Did Jin save Danielle's life by preventing her from going into that stone structure. Because I got the impression that whatever took hold of the rest of the team was pretty bad as Robert, or the thing inside Robert would've had no problem aiming a rifle at his pregnant lover. Of course Danielle repays him by shooting at him.

I was distracted during that scene, could you tell me exactly how Jin stopped her from going into the temple?

Don't know if it saved her life or not but Jin did discourage D.R from going down the fissure.

On a slightly different note....what really saved Danielle from being shot by Robert was our good old friend course correction.

At first glance it would seem that Jin did save her life, but then when Danielle was distracted pointing the gun at Robert, his gun jammed when he pulled the trigger. It made me think that The Island didn't want Rousseau to die. So I don't think the Island would have let Danielle die by following the rest of her team into the Smokey hole. I think the Island had other plans for her (as we saw with the Losties) and would have made sure she would have survived at all costs. She had appointments to keep in the future.;)

At first glance it would seem that Jin did save her life, but then when Danielle was distracted pointing the gun at Robert, his gun jammed when he pulled the trigger. It made me think that The Island didn't want Rousseau to die. So I don't think the Island would have let Danielle die by following the rest of her team into the Smokey hole. I think the Island had other plans for her (as we saw with the Losties) and would have made sure she would have survived at all costs. She had appointments to keep in the future.;)
The gun didn't jam, remember way back in season one in Solitary Danielle's first appearance, Sayid got a hold of the rifle in Danielle's trench and pointed it at her, she told him she took the firing pin out and that Robert didn't realize it either as we saw here. So it wasn't the island intervening. Danielle in the short time between the flashes had already taken steps in case Robert tried to kill her.

she took the firing pin out and that Robert didn't realize it either as we saw here.

Great memory! I had forgotten that

The gun didn't jam, remember way back in season one in Solitary Danielle's first appearance, Sayid got a hold of the rifle in Danielle's trench and pointed it at her, she told him she took the firing pin out and that Robert didn't realize it either as we saw here. So it wasn't the island intervening. Danielle in the short time between the flashes had already taken steps in case Robert tried to kill her.

OK I just posted this on another thread about the firing pin being removed........

I don't think Rousseau had removed the firing pin from the gun at this point. When they were about to go down the Smokey hole, there were 2 guns in that scene. One was on the ground (the one Rousseau picked up) and one of the 2 men other than Robert took a gun down with him. This was the gun I think Robert had, so I don't think Rousseau had removed the firing pin yet. Total conjecture though, so it could have happened. But I like the idea that the Island didn't want Rousseau to die, afterall she needed to meet the Losties in the future.;)

OK I just posted this on another thread about the firing pin being removed........

I don't think Rousseau had removed the firing pin from the gun at this point. When they were about to go down the Smokey hole, there were 2 guns in that scene. One was on the ground (the one Rousseau picked up) and one of the 2 men other than Robert took a gun down with him. This was the gun I think Robert had, so I don't think Rousseau had removed the firing pin yet. Total conjecture though, so it could have happened. But I like the idea that the Island didn't want Rousseau to die, afterall she needed to meet the Losties in the future.;)
I take it at face value, seeing that everything that Danielle said has turned out to be true, I think she took out the firing pin. I don't think this is one of the island's mystical properties at work, but just a very clever French girl with changing eye color.

I can see her removing the pin because she's realizing that the people that came back from the Temple are not the same people who were in her team, and that she had to kill them. Just in case they had the same idea, she removed the pin from the other rifle.

I can see her removing the pin because she's realizing that the people that came back from the Temple are not the same people who were in her team, and that she had to kill them. Just in case they had the same idea, she removed the pin from the other rifle.
I hope we get to see more of her backstory because they must have done or tried to do some very bad things to make Danielle kill her team they seemed a very closenit group, and not much time had transpired between the flash Danielle was still pregnant.

Jin sort of saved her life. She never went down that hole. When we met her in 2004 she had not gone down that hole. So Jin stopping her is just history going along the way it did before. Maybe there was an alternate past where something else stopped her but now it's Jin that stopped her from going in there.

I hope we get to see more of her backstory because they must have done or tried to do some very bad things to make Danielle kill her team they seemed a very closenit group, and not much time had transpired between the flash Danielle was still pregnant.

I think we're done with Danielle's backstory. It's hard to tell how much time had passed. She had built a shelter, but Montand's arm and the other bodies didn't look to have decayed too much. On a tropical island with all that humditiy they would decompose pretty quickly, so it was fairly soon after the previous jump.

The only thing I could possibly see them include in the backstory would be Alex's kidnapping, to tie up precisely the when and the scenario with the purge.

Did Jin save Danielle's life by preventing her from going into that stone structure. Because I got the impression that whatever took hold of the rest of the team was pretty bad as Robert, or the thing inside Robert would've had no problem aiming a rifle at his pregnant lover. Of course Danielle repays him by shooting at him.

Technically, she lowered her rifle, at least attempting to give Robert the benefit of the doubt, hoping she was wrong about the others being sick.

But he fired first at her. Just like Sayid did. Robert tried to shoot her first, which after just proclaiming his love for her and their baby, seems like he indeed was sick, or possessed or whatever.

Something not good happened down there to them. Rousseau wasn't crazy in shooting them, imo, after seeing Robert try to gun her down first after he talked to Rousseau enough for her to lower her rifle.

I can see her removing the pin because she's realizing that the people that came back from the Temple are not the same people who were in her team, and that she had to kill them. Just in case they had the same idea, she removed the pin from the other rifle.

Sometime on the walk back to the beach, or to the radio tower, she could decided they weren't the same people that went down the hole and did it then. Sure.

I think we're done with Danielle's backstory. It's hard to tell how much time had passed. She had built a shelter, but Montand's arm and the other bodies didn't look to have decayed too much. On a tropical island with all that humditiy they would decompose pretty quickly, so it was fairly soon after the previous jump.

The only thing I could possibly see them include in the backstory would be Alex's kidnapping, to tie up precisely the when and the scenario with the purge.
We're definitely going to see Danielle again, because we still need to see how Alex came into Ben's care and how she survived the purge if she arrived in 1988 and the purge happened in 1992.

I can't believe that someone remembered the 'pin' thing... But that is just so awesome that it all tied together. I definintely think that Jin was there to stop her from going into the hole, that is how it was supposed to happen all along. I think that we have to see more of Danielle and how Alex was kidnapped from her etc.

I think Alex came into someone else's care before she came into Ben's.

He was after all a workman for the DI in 1988. If the Horace Goodspeed/dead twelve years time line for the date of the purge holds up, then that happened in 1992.

If we see Rousseau again, I think it'll be from the perspective of whoever kidnaps Alex. The DI, maybe Ben, whoever.

Wasn't it supposed to be two months later that they came back from the Black Rock with "the sickness" and Danielle was forced to shoot them? I was just reading that transcript the other day.

Here it is:

DANIELLE: Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair. So, we made camp, dug out this temporary shelter. Temporary. Nearly 2 months we survived here, 2 months before --
SAYID: Your distress signal? The message I heard, you said, "It killed them all."
DANIELLE: We were coming back from the Black Rock. It was them. They were the carriers.



So I assumed the jump was about two months... does that work? Seven months pregnant, now nine (really close) and she shoots Robert.Then again, the conversation is somewhat disjointed. Maybe Crazy Danielle got sidelined by Sayid's question and started talking about the distress signal.

We're definitely going to see Danielle again, because we still need to see how Alex came into Ben's care and how she survived the purge if she arrived in 1988 and the purge happened in 1992.

Well, I think we're done with the time jumps for now, and Danielle surviving the purge is pretty easy to determine, she wasn't anywhere near Othersville when the gas was released. I don't think it's important enough to confirm.

As I said earlier, I could see them do another backstory for Alex's kidnapping, but I wouldn't be surprised if they left that out. I don't think it's uber important to the overall story.
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Wasn't it supposed to be two months later that they came back from the Black Rock with "the sickness" and Danielle was forced to shoot them? I was just reading that transcript the other day.

Here it is:

DANIELLE: Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair. So, we made camp, dug out this temporary shelter. Temporary. Nearly 2 months we survived here, 2 months before --
SAYID: Your distress signal? The message I heard, you said, "It killed them all."
DANIELLE: We were coming back from the Black Rock. It was them. They were the carriers.



So I assumed the jump was about two months... does that work? Seven months pregnant, now nine (really close) and she shoots Robert.Then again, the conversation is somewhat disjointed. Maybe Crazy Danielle got sidelined by Sayid's question and started talking about the distress signal.

Montand's arm did not look 2 months old to me. It looked about the same as the other dead bodies, so I assumed the arm was dismembered and the 2 men were killed on the same day or very, very close to each other.

Jin saved Danielle's life just as he was always supposed to. Just like Locke went and told Richard to come visit him as a newborn. After each moment was done immediately the flash took place. I think its definitely not a coincidence.

Well, I think we're done with the time jumps for now, and Danielle surviving the purge is pretty easy to determine, she wasn't anywhere near Othersville when the gas was released. I don't think it's important enough to confirm.

As I said earlier, I could see them do another backstory for Alex's kidnapping, but I wouldn't be surprised if they left that out. I don't think it's uber important to the overall story.
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Montand's arm did not look 2 months old to me. It looked about the same as the other dead bodies, so I assumed the arm was dismembered and the 2 men were killed on the same day or very, very close to each other.

No, that arm was sitting there for a while. I was assuming a few months.

I would like to address that perhaps the "sickness" is the turning crazy from time jumping and that Danielle's sickness was cured when she saw Jin, making him her constant. (Sorry to all those constant-haters out there, but it was the first thing I thought of.)

No, that arm was sitting there for a while. I was assuming a few months.

I would like to address that perhaps the "sickness" is the turning crazy from time jumping and that Danielle's sickness was cured when she saw Jin, making him her constant. (Sorry to all those constant-haters out there, but it was the first thing I thought of.)
I got the impression from this episode that the nosebleeds and what killed Charlotte and what happened to Rousseau's team had nothing to do with time travel. It seemed to me that Danielle used the term infected or sickness to mean possessed. Remember she said, you're not Robert and his behavior seemed to confirm that. Once again, something happened to the team members who went into that cave either something possessed them or their personalities were seriously altered it had nothing to do with time travel. The only people that were time travelling and experiencing physical side effects were the losties.

I think we can put the "sickness" being temporal displacement theory to rest. At least it seems so from this episode. Danielle said they had changed since coming out of the Temple. Robert seemed completely coherent and he knew what he was doing. I think the sickness has more to do with what happened to their minds in the Temple.

Wasn't it supposed to be two months later that they came back from the Black Rock with "the sickness" and Danielle was forced to shoot them? I was just reading that transcript the other day.

Here it is:

DANIELLE: Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair. So, we made camp, dug out this temporary shelter. Temporary. Nearly 2 months we survived here, 2 months before --
SAYID: Your distress signal? The message I heard, you said, "It killed them all."
DANIELLE: We were coming back from the Black Rock. It was them. They were the carriers.



So I assumed the jump was about two months... does that work? Seven months pregnant, now nine (really close) and she shoots Robert.Then again, the conversation is somewhat disjointed. Maybe Crazy Danielle got sidelined by Sayid's question and started talking about the distress signal.

Yeah, the scene from TPID doesn't jive with what we Danielle told us earlier at all. She said after several weeks Montand lost his arm in the Dark Territory, and that the radio tower was located near the Black Rock, which we know it's not. She also says her team got the sickness from the Others which again doesn't jive with what we actually saw.

I just rewatched that scene and the arm definitely looks decayed, there are bones showing and the skin is a different color. The bodies on the beach are definitely much fresher, so it does appear there was time for her to remove the firing pin.

However, Montand's arm and the radio tower being near the Black Rock are the glaring discrepancies.

Yeah, the scene from TPID doesn't jive with what we Danielle told us earlier at all. She said after several weeks Montand lost his arm in the Dark Territory, and that the radio tower was located near the Black Rock, which we know it's not. She also says her team got the sickness from the Others which again doesn't jive with what we actually saw.

I just rewatched that scene and the arm definitely looks decayed, there are bones showing and the skin is a different color. The bodies on the beach are definitely much fresher, so it does appear there was time for her to remove the firing pin.

However, Montand's arm and the radio tower being near the Black Rock are the glaring discrepancies.

Did she say it was the Others the sickness came from?

It was them. They were the carriers. It comes across to me like it could be smokey. Smokey was them. Them, also being they, were her science team members. They were the carriers of whatever it was that had changed them. That's how I read it.

The Radio Tower isn't near the Black Rock, at least by interpretation of Ben's previous map, but it doens't mean Montand' arm isn't. I don't think that temple and the Black Rock have to be next to each other for them to be near.

If they were that close, I'd think that any of our losties would have stumbled upon that ruined temple site at any point they went to the Black Rock. Same vicinity is likely, I think, for Montand's arm and the Black Rock. I don't think they have to be neighbors, but they could be near each other, both in the Dark Territory.

That was pretty much my thoughts, todd. I'm satisfied with how she came to be the way she is now that I've seen what happened. Anything else would just be icing and they have other cakes to bake on this show. ;)

Did she say it was the Others the sickness came from?

It was them. They were the carriers. It comes across to me like it could be smokey. Smokey was them. Them, also being they, were her science team members. They were the carriers of whatever it was that had changed them. That's how I read it.

The Radio Tower isn't near the Black Rock, at least by interpretation of Ben's previous map, but it doens't mean Montand' arm isn't. I don't think that temple and the Black Rock have to be next to each other for them to be near.

If they were that close, I'd think that any of our losties would have stumbled upon that ruined temple site at any point they went to the Black Rock. Same vicinity is likely, I think, for Montand's arm and the Black Rock. I don't think they have to be neighbors, but they could be near each other, both in the Dark Territory.

Well, I wasn't disputing Montand's arm being near the Black Rock, but the radio tower. What I was saying about Montand's arm was that Danielle said that Montand had lost his arm after several weeks, and in fact he lost his arm much sooner than that.
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That was pretty much my thoughts, todd. I'm satisfied with how she came to be the way she is now that I've seen what happened. Anything else would just be icing and they have other cakes to bake on this show. ;)

I completely agree, my curiosity about Danielle has been quenched, and you're right they have bigger fish to fry with the time they have left!:biggrin:

Did she say it was the Others the sickness came from?

It was them. They were the carriers. It comes across to me like it could be smokey. Smokey was them. Them, also being they, were her science team members. They were the carriers of whatever it was that had changed them. That's how I read it.

The Radio Tower isn't near the Black Rock, at least by interpretation of Ben's previous map, but it doens't mean Montand' arm isn't. I don't think that temple and the Black Rock have to be next to each other for them to be near.

If they were that close, I'd think that any of our losties would have stumbled upon that ruined temple site at any point they went to the Black Rock. Same vicinity is likely, I think, for Montand's arm and the Black Rock. I don't think they have to be neighbors, but they could be near each other, both in the Dark Territory.
Near is a relative term. The stone structure the French team entered could be a few miles or because they are European, Kilometers away from the Black Rock. And I would imagine that distance is relative on an island where one has to walk everywhere. Plus when Danielle said it was near the Black Rock it was after 16 years on the island and having to walk everywhere, so after that long hiking through the jungle the distance between two places could be much shorter to her.

Gotcha Todd.

I guess with all the details they have to keep track of, it's hard to match up all of them perfectly.

Over all, I liked the Rousseau Experience. I'd like to see an interaction between the older Rousseau and Ben (becuase I think it happened) but I doubt that will come to pass unless Mira Furlan reprises her role for an episode.

And of course, if there was in fact interactions between Rousseau and Ben.:biggrin:

Gotcha Todd.

I guess with all the details they have to keep track of, it's hard to match up all of them perfectly.

Over all, I liked the Rousseau Experience. I'd like to see an interaction between the older Rousseau and Ben (becuase I think it happened) but I doubt that will come to pass unless Mira Furlan reprises her role for an episode.

And of course, if there was in fact interactions between Rousseau and Ben.:biggrin:

Yeah, that's what I figured, slight inconsistencies due to all the information they need to keep track of. Not really a big deal, as long as there's no glaring mistakes!

Plus they could always blame it on "crazy" Rousseau, lol.;)

Gotcha Todd.

I guess with all the details they have to keep track of, it's hard to match up all of them perfectly.

Over all, I liked the Rousseau Experience. I'd like to see an interaction between the older Rousseau and Ben (becuase I think it happened) but I doubt that will come to pass unless Mira Furlan reprises her role for an episode.

And of course, if there was in fact interactions between Rousseau and Ben.:biggrin:
Well if and when we get the story of Alex's abduction it will be Melissa Farman, I'd guess because the length of time between the flashes was either a few weeks and Danielle was seven months pregnant when Jin first encountered her. Which means from the point Jin appeared and she shot at him there isn't much time until Alex is born so it would have to be the younger Rousseau. Although, I would like to see Mira Furlan on the show again.

Here is a quote from the Season 1 finale, which totally fits:
"The Black Rock is not far. This is where it all began -- where my team got infected -- where Montan lost his arm. We must move quickly."

From Solitary- doesn't fit as well, BUT alone in a jungle for 16 year=memory not so great? She didn't recognize Jin all those years later.. .
"Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair. So, we made camp, dug out this temporary shelter. Temporary. Nearly 2 months we survived here, 2 months before -- "

Well if and when we get the story of Alex's abduction it will be Melissa Farman, I'd guess because the length of time between the flashes was either a few weeks and Danielle was seven months pregnant when Jin first encountered her. Which means from the point Jin appeared and she shot at him there isn't much time until Alex is born so it would have to be the younger Rousseau. Although, I would like to see Mira Furlan on the show again.

I'm far less interested in who abducted Alex, though it's an interesting plot point, than I am in investigating Ben getting caught in Rousseau's trap and how she managed to stay out of the hair of Dharma and the others.

I'd rather see a scene, or scenes, establishing Ben knew Rousseau before he got caught in a net, and that it was a set-up to begin with, than the baby knapping.

I mean really, where did Rousseau get a car battery from anyway to shock Sayid with? Dharma Bus anyone? And who would have access to Dharma Bus parts, why our handy Workman Ben Linus, main inside the fence. I think there has to be something there. Melissa Farman wouldn't work for any scenes in the late nineties or early two thousands.

They should've just left the Danielle stuff out. We learned nothing and it just created this whole bad issue of why Danielle didn't recognize Jin even after being face to face with him several times. No mention of a disappearing man or anything.
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That was pretty much my thoughts, todd. I'm satisfied with how she came to be the way she is now that I've seen what happened. Anything else would just be icing and they have other cakes to bake on this show. ;)

Why do you make this allowance for the show? I feel they just gave us this little bit to shut us up about Danielle and did nothing but trample all over anything we thought we learned from Danielle. We wanted this story. We didn't get it and we aren't going to get it.
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I can't believe that someone remembered the 'pin' thing... But that is just so awesome that it all tied together. I definintely think that Jin was there to stop her from going into the hole, that is how it was supposed to happen all along. I think that we have to see more of Danielle and how Alex was kidnapped from her etc.
Nothing was tied together. I feel like I actually know less about Danielles story after seeing that episode.
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I hope we get to see more of her backstory because they must have done or tried to do some very bad things to make Danielle kill her team they seemed a very closenit group, and not much time had transpired between the flash Danielle was still pregnant.

It is apparent to me that we will not get this. This was their chance, all we got was enough to shut us up.

Since a lot of what Danielle had told us in previous seasons anyway seemed to contradict other things she said, I thought they did a nice job of untangling some of that. Yes, getting her story at a previous point when there were still flashbacks, or even flash forwards probably would have yielded a more robust story for her, but even this stream lined version was done well enough for me.

My only questions now revolve around any Rousseau and Ben interactions prior to his getting caught in a net. There might not even be any, so I'm okay with this being her story.

Here is a quote from the Season 1 finale, which totally fits:
"The Black Rock is not far. This is where it all began -- where my team got infected -- where Montan lost his arm. We must move quickly."

From Solitary- doesn't fit as well, BUT alone in a jungle for 16 year=memory not so great? She didn't recognize Jin all those years later.. .
"Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair. So, we made camp, dug out this temporary shelter. Temporary. Nearly 2 months we survived here, 2 months before -- "

Thanks silveranswer, I just finished reading those transcripts and came back here to post them, and you had already done that. I wish I had read your posy before going through all those transcripts!

But yes, it seems from those 2 passages that's where Lostpedia came to the conclusion it was several weeks until Montand had lost his arm.

Did Jin save Danielle's life by preventing her from going into that stone structure. Because I got the impression that whatever took hold of the rest of the team was pretty bad as Robert, or the thing inside Robert would've had no problem aiming a rifle at his pregnant lover. Of course Danielle repays him by shooting at him.

I think Jin did save Danielle (and Alex's) life. She started to go down the vent and he not only emphatically told her no, he held her arm and told her persuasively she should not do it with the baby.

As for the gun not going off, it might have been island saving her because she had work to do/people to interact with in the future for things to not get paradoxical. They could both be true.

Why do you make this allowance for the show? I feel they just gave us this little bit to shut us up about Danielle and did nothing but trample all over anything we thought we learned from Danielle. We wanted this story. We didn't get it and we aren't going to get it.
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How did you come upon this knowledge?

I think Jin did save Danielle (and Alex's) life. She started to go down the vent and he not only emphatically told her no, he held her arm and told her persuasively she should not do it with the baby.

As for the gun not going off, it might have been island saving her because she had work to do/people to interact with in the future for things to not get paradoxical. They could both be true.
The gun didn't go off because of the intervention of the island Danielle said way back in Solitary that she took the firing pin out of Robert's gun, which is why it didn't go off.

The gun didn't go off because of the intervention of the island Danielle said way back in Solitary that she took the firing pin out of Robert's gun, which is why it didn't go off.

Oops, missed that/forgot that. I thought people we just speculating, didn't remember Danielle said that. Good story consistency.