Was that the same Jin from the original O815 plane crash? Or was there a part of Jin's life we have not seen before where he was on the island? Before he met Sun. A Jin where in the original time line, got off the island and went on to meet and marry Sun.

No no. Same Jin. Island Jin. The O5 are in whatever time (probably 70s, when the DI was in full swing) the Lefties last flashed to. They flashed on the plane (the bright light).

Huh didn't think of that. I assumed that the final TT flash of last episode took them to the 1970s, and that's the Jin we know now. If it's not the Jin we know now, he won't know English!

Seriously? So he got off the island, fell in love with sun, went to work for her dad, forgetting how much it sucked, and decided to be a dick again until he got on the plane?

Old Jin, since he recognized them and smiled.

I'm pretty sure its the original Jin. If he were on the island during the Dharma days he would've looked much younger in that last scene.

But how would he have had time to immerse himself with the Dharma group if he was simply flashing along with the rest of the leftbehinds? Perhaps for some reason he stopped flashing, or the leftbehinds simply haven't flashed in a while, which would have forced him to adapt with his surroundings.

Or maybe Richard saw him on the island and brought him in??

The setting they are in now is most likely in the 70's. Are you asking if Jin was in Dharma in his real life back then, left the island and 30 years later meets Sun and crashes on the island? If so, Jin not aging is the problem with this theory.

But how would he have had time to immerse himself with the Dharma group if he was simply flashing along with the rest of the leftbehinds? Perhaps for some reason he stopped flashing, or the leftbehinds simply haven't flashed in a while, which would have forced him to adapt with his surroundings.

Or maybe Richard saw him on the island and brought him in??
That is what I was thinking. It would take him awhile to become so trusted that they would give him a gun, van, and suit. And the flashes don't last that long.

I'm thinking that for some reason he's been "living out" the time that he missed rather than just skipping around, because his reaction to seeing Jack and Kate and Hurley was not immediate recognition it was more of amused suprise

I am pretty sure the island stopped skipping through time, and Jin had to assimilate into his new surroundings (maybe 70s Dharma). It's probably been a few years that have passed in that Island's time (70s Dharma) so thats why he looked so content in that Dharma car - because he's been there so long.

Just a guess. If this is true, Sawyer and the other people with must have adapated somehow too. Either they were one of the Island's natives (The Others) or they are with Dharma.

This episode was pretty surreal, Jin seeing the other 3 in the water. Wow.

Huh didn't think of that. I assumed that the final TT flash of last episode took them to the 1970s, and that's the Jin we know now. If it's not the Jin we know now, he won't know English!


It is totally the Jin from last week that is flashing in time. He put his gun down and smiled when he saw his old friends that called his name. I am now assuming that the 06 flashed back in time when they passed over the Island. Not only did they get back to the Island but they went back in time to the exact time that that the lefties are in.

The setting they are in now is most likely in the 70's. Are you asking if Jin was in Dharma in his real life back then, left the island and 30 years later meets Sun and crashes on the island? If so, Jin not aging is the problem with this theory.
Not aging does not seem to be a big issue with the writers (ref. Richard and Daniel).

as tommy boy would say, "that....was.....awesome"!

I am pretty sure the island stopped skipping through time, and Jin had to assimilate into his new surroundings (maybe 70s Dharma). It's probably been a few years that have passed in that Island's time (70s Dharma) so thats why he looked so content in that Dharma car - because he's been there so long.

Just a guess. If this is true, Sawyer and the other people with must have adapated somehow too. Either they were one of the Island's natives (The Others) or they are with Dharma.

This episode was pretty surreal, Jin seeing the other 3 in the water. Wow.
I could buy that theory. Once Locke turned the FDW the flashes stopped. Except, there was at least 1 more when the plane flew over...

Not aging does not seem to be a big issue with the writers (ref. Richard and Daniel).


richard does not age for a reason, so far he has been the only one who we have seen who does not age. daniel ages normally. we saw him in dharma and look, now Jin's in dharma. just put two and two together and there is your answer.

Not aging does not seem to be a big issue with the writers (ref. Richard and Daniel).

What makes you think Daniel doesn't age?

I think the turn of the FDW put them to a time that is (months?) before the current time, during which time the Lefties assimilated into Dharma. I think the 'flash' on the plane was a plane-only event and did not effect the people on the island.

I think the lefties have definitely flashed into the 70s and have been there for a while. It would explain why Daniel was shown in the season premiere when they discover the FDW. It would also explain why Charlotte remembers Daniel from when she was a child, because he and the lefties were there for some time with the Dharma initiative.

Daniel tells little Charlotte not to come back to the island, because he knows for a fact that she will die, because obviously from the last episode, she just did die.

Um well the 06 left for three years and everything we've been seeing of the people flashing happened three years ago right after the 06 left, so I'd assume they've been in the 70s for 3 years since the day Locke moved it with Christian giving them plenty of time to assimilate, and its the same reason why Faraday was dessed as a construction worker in the Orchid cave.

Either that or they are planning a big YMCA performance for the dharmas.

The rest of the season (or at least the bulk of it) is going to be spent in Dharma times now. That's where the wheel stopped, and Jin and all the Left-Behinds have integrated themselves into the DI. It makes perfect sense. That's how we'll see a young Charlotte, that's how Daniel was down in the Orchid and how he makes the Comic Con video with Chang, and I'm can almost guarantee we will see young Ben again.

I just love the full circleness of everything!!!

So Dharma just allowed some of the "natives", that they've been supposedly hostile with, join up in the DI? Obviously we'll get some background on it, i'm just interested how they join the DI. Does that mean they end up in the purge?

he was not wearing suns wedding band!

he was not wearing suns wedding band!
Doesn't Sun have that?

The rest of the season (or at least the bulk of it) is going to be spent in Dharma times now. That's where the wheel stopped, and Jin and all the Left-Behinds have integrated themselves into the DI. It makes perfect sense. That's how we'll see a young Charlotte, that's how Daniel was down in the Orchid and how he makes the Comic Con video with Chang, and I'm can almost guarantee we will see young Ben again.
That could be the case, but I am still have trouble reconciling the amount of absolute time the left-behinds have been on the island. Have they had enough time to really assimilate with Dharma or have they been there from the beginning?

So Dharma just allowed some of the "natives", that they've been supposedly hostile with, join up in the DI? Obviously we'll get some background on it, i'm just interested how they join the DI. Does that mean they end up in the purge?

They may be able to convince Dharma that they aren't with the Others. Maybe they manage to fake some wreckage and say they were shipwrecked or something. I doubt they end up in the purge since that doesn't happen until 1992 and that appears to be between 15-20 years from where they are now.

That could be the case, but I am still have trouble reconciling the amount of absolute time the left-behinds have been on the island. Have they had enough time to really assimilate with Dharma or have they been there from the beginning?
They've been in the 70s for three years, because that's the amount of time between the O6 leaving the Island and coming back. Here's how it works:

2005: O6 leave, Island begins time-hopping, Island stops time-hopping and stays in the 70s
2005 - 2008: three years pass for the O6 off-Island, 3 years pass for the left-behinds in the 70s
2008: O6 return to the Island at the time period where it stopped, three years later

I saw a post last night I can't find it now but I really like the idea that the left behinders have now been stuck in the Dharma time period for 3 years which is why Jin looks so comfortable and why we saw Daniel in the first episode down in the Orchid. Some questions answered...yet more keep stacking up lol Maybe we'll see some flashbacks of that, who knows!

I also like the idea of those left behind assimilating with Dharma culture... but given how this show goes, it's almost just as likely, to me at least, that the Left Behinders infiltrated the DI and are just stealing what they need. In the long run it'd be smarter to assimilate to the DI but I think that might take up more time than it's worth as there is still so much story to tell... but who knows? Besides the writers... and the creators... and possibly the cast depending on how many episodes are written... my point is that I don't know and while I'm probably on the wrong side of wrong I can still enjoy the show right?

i can't wait to see our losties living the Dharma's 'one true way' :cool:

They've been in the 70s for three years, because that's the amount of time between the O6 leaving the Island and coming back. Here's how it works:

2005: O6 leave, Island begins time-hopping, Island stops time-hopping and stays in the 70s
2005 - 2008: three years pass for the O6 off-Island, 3 years pass for the left-behinds in the 70s
2008: O6 return to the Island at the time period where it stopped, three years later
Why do you think the same amount of time has elapsed for the O6 and leftbehinders? The O6 could have flashed back to say 2 years after the FDW was turned. So the leftbehinders have only experienced a 2 year absolute time delta. Or maybe 10 years? I don't think there is any real indication that the same amout of abolute time has elapsed each group.