Locke is NOT evil...as posted on the VIP archive...

I didn't think he was! just obsessed...

I am not surprised at all.
The man believes in what he's doing on way or the other and whatever happens I think all his intentions have been good, though occasionally misguided and/or just plain wrong.
Lets also not forget that he's the only survivor that has looked into the eye of the Island("monster"), it's safe to say he knows something that no other survivors do.
I also think, deep down he's still Mr. NiceGuy.
Thanks for the info.

I don't think Locke's evil.....he's just insanely obssessed with that hatch.


Marina

I also think that he is insanely obsessed with discovering the reason as to why they are all there on the island...

I don't particularly like the word obsession so I'll use 'entirely selfish' instead.

I never thought Locke was evil... if he was evil, he would have left Boone alone and just said to whoever asked that he just hasn't seen Boone at all.

And I don't think Locke is selfish.

I don't think he's evil or selfish, either.

He's ObiWan Lockenobi. ;D

Even to say he's obsessed may be too much since he actually saw something others didn't and we don't really know the relevance that hatch may have. If it turns out that the hatch gave important/useful information about what is happening, then his "obsession" would be justified and the survivors grateful for it (or maybe not! :D )

I never thought Locke was Locke was evil. At the beginning of the show, i thought he was kinda out there, but I never thought he was evil.


I don't particularly like the word obsession so I'll use 'entirely selfish' instead.

I never thought Locke was evil... if he was evil, he would have left Boone alone and just said to whoever asked that he just hasn't seen Boone at all.


This is exactly what I thought, too. I didn't understand why everyone thought he was evil, if he brought Boone back to Jack. Why would he have done that, why would he have been yelling to Boone to get out of the plane, and why would he have crying for Boone at the hatch? It just doesn't make sense! But I think I've made my point now! ;D

I don't think he's evil or selfish, either.

He's ObiWan Lockenobi. ;D


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How about ObiJohn Lockenobi?

I don't think our boy, Locke, is evil at all, quite the contrary.* I think Locke is a human being who has been challenged physically, emotionally and spiritually by many things in his life (his experience of being in a wheelchair; being raised in foster homes/abandoned by his birth parents; the whole thing with his alleged birth dad or whoever that man is, but Locke at least believes that it is his birth dad and that his birth dad TOTALLY used him and then coldly abandoned him a second time; etc.:* the guy has been through a few things!) and has come out as what I learned about in cultural anthropology class as the archetype of "the wounded healer", namely, a person who has been able to incorporate experiences that would have broken many people into their psyche in such a way as to not only remain whole, but to have been wizened and dare I say enriched by the experiences, so that, from brokenness, wholeness, from loss, gifts/lessons, from hurt, the ability to heal oneself and be a guide to others in some way.* I hope the way I phrased that made any sense (I'm kinda spacey today!), but the gist is:* Locke is a guy who has been through the wringer and come out stronger, and with a keen appreciation of all the gifts he has been given, and what a gift every moment of life itself is.* I truly think that he has good intentions and, as he said in one episode (paraphrasing here), he likes it on the island (remember when he confronted Walt about setting the raft on fire and said that?), and I think it is because he feels a mystical connection with the place he believes somehow gave him back his ability to walk, and he likes how he can realize his potential as a "guide", a shaman, on the island.

Locke is a good guy, me feels.

Very well said. That is another reason I admire Locke so much. He has allowed his life experiences to make him stronger rather than holding him back.

Did you major in anthropology? I enjoyed the class I took in college and find it quite fascinating. I actually minored in sociology.\

~Kat

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How about ObiJohn Lockenobi?


Oh, that's much better. ObiJohn Lockenobi it is. ;D

I like that one.

You said it Lockefan........brilliantly, if I may say so.

Of course he isn't evil. I would challenge any one person to point out one thing 'evil' that he's done!!! Since on the island he's only helped people. Yeah, he dropped the ball a bit with not telling Jack that boones leg was crushed, but that probably/might not have helped, you can't call it evil.

Only helped people...

ObiJohn Lockenobi has the nudge, and he is not selfish, he is selfless.

Exactly, Walt!

Of course he isn't evil. I would challenge any one person to point out one thing 'evil' that he's done!!! Since on the island he's only helped people. Yeah, he dropped the ball a bit with not telling Jack that boones leg was crushed, but that probably/might not have helped, you can't call it evil.

Only helped people...


The only people who would see Locke as being evil is Boone/Ian fans.

I've gained a lot of respect for Boone ever since Locke has taken the initiative to teach him what the world is about... that it's not all about holding Shannon by the arm. Boone has become a faithful companion to Locke on the island... it's sad to see him go as I'm not sure how Locke will cope with it but there was nothing that could have been done (minus the fact that writers could've let Boone live).

Locke is still good in my books.

Did you major in anthropology?

Yup.* That's why I'm an administrative assistant today* ;D !!!

Seriously, I find it (anthro/soc) fascinating, too (obviously, or I wouldn't have majored in it) and I don't regret my choice of major...well, usually I don't....okay, I DO, but yet I don't.* Let's not go there *lol*.* Anyway, for some reason, Locke just seems to me to be the quintessential "wounded healer".* I really admire the character a lot and I think they got the PERFECT actor to play him--whew, doggies!

Gotta go--turns out, I need glasses BADLY and I notice that my ability to write is negatively impacted by the fact that everything is a blur *lol*, shades of Sawyer needing glasses, and I think I have basically the same thaaaaang, i.e., farsightedness, astigmatism, the full monty.* Anyway, so if my posts stink up the joint between now and May 6th, when I go to some cheapo "Optimart" place that is on our so-called vision plan at work, don't blame me, it's the eyes, maaaan.* See, that is why I admire Locke:* I am not like him, but I want to be.* Every time I have a physical prob, I use it as an excuse for various and sundry things, whereas the character of Locke's mantra is "Don't tell me what I can't do!"* That is not to say that he doesn't realize and accept limitations, only that he does what I think is THE key to dealing with any physical challenge:* Give it it's due, no more, and no less.* Locke does this, that is what makes him transcendent and wise.

P.S.* The only time I thought, okay, this guy just might be either:* 1.)* a nutjob; or 2.) evil, was in the very first episode (I think it was the first episode), when he broke into a big smile with the orange rind in his mouth!
:o ??? ;D
But even then, at that early stage in the going, I concluded, no, he is just guileless, authentic and honest with his emotions and/or has a good sense of humor underneath that exterior clouded in mystique.

Yup. That's why I'm an administrative assistant today ;D !!!

Don't feel bad, I majored in poli sci and now work in a homeless shelter.

Seriously, I find it (anthro/soc) fascinating, too (obviously, or I wouldn't have majored in it) and I don't regret my choice of major...well, usually I don't....okay, I DO, but yet I don't. Let's not go there *lol*. Anyway, for some reason, Locke just seems to me to be the quintessential "wounded healer". I really admire the character a lot and I think they got the PERFECT actor to play him--whew, doggies!

Oh, yes, they couldn't have picked anyone better than Terry!


P.S. The only time I thought, okay, this guy just might be either: 1.) a nutjob; or 2.) evil, was in the very first episode (I think it was the first episode), when he broke into a big smile with the orange rind in his mouth!
:o ??? ;D

That was hilarious. Still makes me laugh!

But even then, at that early stage in the going, I concluded, no, he is just guileless, authentic and honest with his emotions and/or has a good sense of humor underneath that exterior clouded in mystique.

Exactly!

Lockefan,

Check out D.O.L.T. on the ships area of the board. You'll fit right in.

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Just a half hour from the next airing. I am really waiting with baited breath. I gotta find out whats the deal with the hatch and locke. The other character inter-connections are interesting but I hope I'm not building it up too much. It feels like we fans are expecting it all to come out and blow our minds all in an hour. If this is a series, this may take years, and who knows, maybe they are still writing it and reading these postings as they go....

Tonight's ep is a re-run.

Lol Lost_in_NH, yer such a killjoy. Locke is not obsessed nor evil. He is enlightened. He is also "on the hook", a very common phrase in the show. Man this posting crap is a little hard to do with 4 Vodka on the rocks in ya. Thank god for the spell checker...... :wacko:

Killjoy? Why do you say that? I agree that Locke is enlightened. He knows so much more than the others.

Re: Killjoy mentioning to hatchboy that tonight was a refresher, not a new epi.....what a downer eh? LOL

It's all in how you look at it. I happen to like watching the re-runs to try and catch things I hadn't seen or heard before.

I slept throught it. :-[

Walt! How could you? ;) You missed a great Locke scene. You will have to make it up to the Woobie! ;)

Walt! How could you? ;) You missed a great Locke scene. You will have to make it up to the Woobie! ;)

That scene has made me hoot every time Ive seen it. Locke pulls off that Cheshire cat grin-o-mystery sooo well. ;D

YES! Terry does such an awesome job! I love his smile at the very end.

He says so much with a smile. That's a sign of a Great Actor.

It is? How's that?

He uses those cute wrinkle-eyelashes to talk to me.

I dont think he's obsessed with the hatch, i just think he understands alot more than anyone else, about this island. He knows it will give to you as long as you give back.

And dont forget he has looked in the eyes of this island, and what he saw - was beautiful.

Whatever the hell that means.

It means beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

thing is...Locke appeared to have brought Ethan into the group...

Appearances can be deceiving, especially on LOST. But I believe Ethan brought Ethan into the group.

I think that Ethan was waiting for the crash.....he had to pretty much right were it happened in order to seamlessly infiltrate the survivors.

Ethan was indeed very coniving. I think we learn more about him by the season finale.

then again, we don't really know that Ethan was evil either...he may have been trying to save Claire...I know it's kind of out there, considering he threatened to kill everyone one by one, Charlie last, yet that could have just been a threat...we never saw him actually kill Steve/Scott...and we never got a chance to see what he was capable of, aside from being very strong, as Charlie took him out...

Let's not forget that Ethan beat the hell out of Jack and killed Charlie.

I think because he's been pegged as evil, we will see that there is a lot more to Ethan than we've seen.

Like Locke is being portrayed as being dark, but I know he's going to be doing right by everyone in the end.

I've started thinking the opposite of whatever they show for the characters.

I will never think Ethan is good.

I'm not thinking so much that he is good, but that there is more than meets the eye.

Maybe he's a victim. Maybe his life was threatened, or his childs or wife?

did Charlie actually confirm that it was Ethan who strung him up? I thought he shot Ethan because he didn't want him to get near Claire again...

Walt, that's always possible, but no excuse for the things Ethan did. By the way, could you post the direct link to your story? There are 32 pages on that thread.

Phoebe, no, Charlie did not remember anything. But Ethan told Jack he'd kill one of them. (Charlie or Claire).

I always thought I though tLocke was evil. It just turned out i din't like him ^-^. I think he has good intentions, but he just rubs me wrong.

To each his own. :)

Yep! :)

I'm pretty sure DL (it mighta been someone else) said that, Locke wasn't good or evil, and if he was, it was up to the audience to decide - but that he always has good intentions...

That's certainly better than having bad intentions. ;)

I was almost convinced Locke was completely good... then I read something disturbing from someone who owns the scripts. Apparently (I dunno if it was left in the final cut of the ep) Locke manipulates Charlie into telling him about the polar bear, the pilot, the transmission, etc... If not sinister, that's at least very creepy... Can't remembern where, but the thread is 'scripts' I think.. For 'The Moth'....

Were those the producer's notes in the script?

*nod* Found the except.

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LOCKE: Listen -
- and Charlie finally snaps, writhing out of Locke's grasp-
CHARLIE: No - you listen - you don't know sod-all about dangerous. Last I heard, only one of us has seen a man - THE PILOT OF OUR PLANE - torn to bits by a beast - and - oh wait, that was me! Not that I got a chance to savor the experience seeing as I was dodging a falling cockpit at the time - and as I remember - it was me, not you, climbing a MOUNTAIN and got jumped by a POLAR BEAR - just to hear from a Frenchy radio signal that somehow's been broadcasting for sixteen years that this island is a death trap and that everyone who lands here SNUFFS IT! (beat) And worst of all, I'm never going to find my bloody guitar!
Charlie finally stops, levelling his coldest, bad-assed-est stare at Locke, who simply stares back.
LOCKE: I'm still not letting you out of my sight.
Charlie drops his stance, defeated. Locke turns back to the wreckage - knowing that he has used Charlie's weakness to extract from him every one of the secrets of this island, and Charlie doesn't even know it...

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http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=14747.0

There's anothier part, too... Locke's a lot creepier in the script than the show seems to show...

I remember seeing that. I also remember reading the other replies. I don't see how that makes him so bad, I mean he did help Charlie beat his addiction. If Locke gained from it as well, what's so bad about that?

I don't think it's so much evil as manipulative. People rave about Sawyer, Shannon and Kate bein manipulative, but Locke... Not so much. There's also another scene where Locke exploits Charlie's weakness. The scripts paint Locke bad, and guess who write the scripts? The guys in charge of him... Even if he's not evil, the way he's written makes me wonder whether I should care, orwhether I dislike him either way.

BUT, since this is a Locke board, and a topic about Locke bein good, I will quiet down. Note, I'm not trying to bash Locke and I apologise if it seems so (I've seen some fans of characters get annoyed, even ones of my own fandom (Shannon) and I just want to show that I dun bash Locke. He's an excellent character. Just one I think may be a manipulative, evil island guru.)

And if Locke does become evil, I dunno... he might be the villain I could love, as opposed to the good guy I look at with shifty eyes. He reminds me of Sloane (Alias) - You never know what his motivatons are. Of course, Sloane has a history of bad-ness, but Locke doesn't, which makes him all the more mysterious...

You know, I think I almost convinced myself to like Locke in that post. :o

It's perfectly find, Alden. You're welcome here any time! And heck, as you said, you may have talked yourself into liking Locke again! :lol2:

nice, I've never seen that script before. it certainly makes him seem more manipulative. but I'm glad they're keeping Locke on the fence....instead of making him seem entirely good or entirely evil. makes it more interesting when they leave a character's intentions up to our own interpretation.....and a lot more fun. ;)

I agree, abbykitty. I love seeing all the angles that everyone comes up with because we all see Locke differently. It's fascinating.

I also agree, Abbykitty and Cheshyre.

I remember seeing that. I also remember reading the other replies. I don't see how that makes him so bad, I mean he did help Charlie beat his addiction. If Locke gained from it as well, what's so bad about that?


It's all in how you interpret the notes. Locke realizes that he has extracted important information from Charlie. Does Charlie know that this information is "island secrets"? Was Charlie trying to hide this information from anyone? I don't think so.

Maybe Locke is silently pleased that he has gotten Charlie to speak the mysteries out loud, thinking that if Charlie listens to the words he just uttered then he (Charlie) will have a HUGE a-ha moment.

What was Charlie supposed to have revealed, anyway??

not sure, but I think the group that went to get the transition signal (Charlie, Sayid, Boone, Shannon, Sawyer and Kate) all agreed not to tell anybody about the French woman being there for 16 years....and about the "thing" that killed the others.....because they didn't want to scare the other survivors.....or make them lose hope. so I guess it still would've been a secret at the time Locke would've tried to manipulate Charlie in that script....... :-X