Just a thought....but if Locke's gonna need something of Christian's in order to become a "proxy", and Christian's shoes are going to raise Locke from the dead...then what was the item that allow Christian to do the same? Was it Jack's tennis shoes? If so...what does that mean? Is Jack....Jacob?

I wouldn't read too much into it. They just made up the thing about the shoes so that they would have a way to explain the white shoes in the Pilot.

I wouldn't read too much into it. They just made up the thing about the shoes so that they would have a way to explain the white shoes in the Pilot.

They had to have a reason for Christian wearing the white tennis shoes to begin with, or else why wouldn't they have just put him in normal dress shoes.

They had to have a reason for Christian wearing the white tennis shoes to begin with, or else why wouldn't they have just put him in normal dress shoes.

Cause they just thought it looked cool and they could explain it in whatever way they wanted if they chose to explain it at all. Would anyone really have thought anything of the shoes if they didn't bring them up again in this episode?

Nevermind the shoes then. What I'm wondering is if you need an item that belonged to, I assume, the most recent walking corpse on the island (Jacob's latest vessel?), then what item was placed in Christian's coffin? Was it Jack's shoes? Was it something else? If it was something of Jack's, what does this tell us about Jack....that's all I'm getting at.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that an item is what raises Locke from the dead.

Perhaps it was more that the returnees needed something from the person they're representing. Hurley had Charlie's guitar, Jack had Locke's note, Sun had Jin's ring.

Were there any other instances of people holding something of another's?

Cause they just thought it looked cool and they could explain it in whatever way they wanted if they chose to explain it at all. Would anyone really have thought anything of the shoes if they didn't bring them up again in this episode?

So you don't think they talked about the reasons for anything in season one.
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Let me guess. You had a theory on the white shoes and now you are wrong about it.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that an item is what raises Locke from the dead.

Well, you got me there...I am guessing. I just sorta thought thought Locke was going to replace Christian as the "spokesman for the the island" or whatever you want to call it. When Ms. Hawking said that Locke would be a proxy for "who do you think" I figured she meant Jacob. I don't know why, but I figured Christian would just collapse at that point, and Jack would never get to talk to his dad.

So, regarding the shoes...I just got the impression that the reason they had to put something of Christian's in his coffin was because, in some weird way, it was going to help with the reincarnation of Locke. Some sorta transfer of life-energy or something...I have no idea...and so, my question (if these assumptions are right, which they're probably not, lol) what sprang Christian back to life on the island in Season One's White Rabbit?
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Perhaps it was more that the returnees needed something from the person they're representing. Hurley had Charlie's guitar, Jack had Locke's note, Sun had Jin's ring.

Were there any other instances of people holding something of another's?

Well, I realize we were shown these parallels between characters...and I'm sure Charlie's guitar will make more sense soon, but it didn't exactly seem like a mandate that they 'represent one another' the way it was made clear that Locke had to have something of Christian's. Yeah, they were trying to recreate the event as best they could...but were they told to hold items belonging to one another? I think that's more of a curiousity, for us to wonder why some have experienced role-reversals, and not so much that they had to?:confused:

So you don't think they talked about the reasons for anything in season one.
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Let me guess. You had a theory on the white shoes and now you are wrong about it.

Is delivering criticism about the show somehow hurting you? You seem to take it almost personally.


I never had a theory about the shoes. They were so arbitrary that theorizing about them wouldn't do any good. I'm sure that the reasoning for putting the shoes in were simply for visual effect. They thought, "hey, wouldn't seeing a white sneaker on a tree just after a plane crash be really creepy?" Then someone was like, "let's have Jack's ghost dad wear them and that will be even creepier!" If he put them on the corpse like he said he did, they would have showed him doing that in White Rabbit.

I thought there was a lot of symbolism in the shoes. First, we have the black and white theme carried out in the shoes, which reminds us of the two sides. Desmond also called them pieces in a game earlier in the episode. Another illusion made by Locke. But the thing that struck me was the last time someone believed in the power of shoes was Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy wished to go home, and what did Jack have in his hand? John's wish. Richard welcomed John home in, yep, There's No Place Like Home.

Yeah, what was with the shoes?

For a minute I was thinking that the only way they can make it back to the Island is if Jack put the shoes on Locke, tapped his feet together a few times, and mutter, "There's no place like Guam, there's no place like Guam, there's no place .... "

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