Did the jet use the runway the Kate and Sawyer were building in season 3. If they did then who could see the future that a jet was going to land on the island again?

could be a good way to explain the runway mystery
looks like everything is getting explained with time travel, etc

I believe it is the same runway.

I think the runway was built for this specific purpose, and Lapidus was the only pilot capable of pulling it off.

When Sawyer asked Juliet about the runway, she didn't know what it was for. I think it's reasonable to assume that Richard/Jacob/Ben or whoever ordered it built, didn't explain themselves because of the TT involved in getting the knowledge and the need-to-know basis thereof.

I bet the runway was built to ensure a safe landing for Locke (or Ben) in the future.

It sure looked to me like the plane had skidded up onto the beach.

I think the runway was built for this specific purpose, and Lapidus was the only pilot capable of pulling it off.

When Sawyer asked Juliet about the runway, she didn't know what it was for. I think it's reasonable to assume that Richard/Jacob/Ben or whoever ordered it built, didn't explain themselves because of the TT involved in getting the knowledge and the need-to-know basis thereof.

My guess is orders came from "Jacob". I also guess that the rest of the others were in the dark regarding the purpose. Recall it was this time period the Danny referred to "Jacob's List" and the fact that Shephard wasn't on it.

Jacob was certainly relaying orders that the Others didn't fully understand.

what about the aliens!!! lol just kidding but this is a good idea

This may seem like a ridiculous question, but does anyone think that there's any possibility that the other passengers on Flight 316 are Others?... perhaps returning to the Islands, Others.

Man I used to be on another forum that discussed LOST. In Season 3 when they were breaking up rocks I suggested they were building a runway and got absolutely blasted for it. If they could see me now :)

Im glad you brought this up. I was thinking after Jack, Hurley, and Kate had flashed off of the plane, that it would be interesting if the plane had landed on the runway. Hard to see much of the plane tonight but it did appear to be intact, not like 815.

Man I used to be on another forum that discussed LOST. In Season 3 when they were breaking up rocks I suggested they were building a runway and got absolutely blasted for it. If they could see me now :)

didn't they already say on the show it was a runway?

didn't they already say on the show it was a runway?

Yes, Juliet told Sawyer it was a runway in season 3... for aliens. :cool:

caesar is an alien!!!

Whoa. Didn't even think about the runway connection.

GOOD CALL. I love the fanbase.

I immediately thought of the runway too, but the plane looked like it had landed on a bunch of trees or foliage to me...

Yes, Juliet told Sawyer it was a runway in season 3... for aliens. :cool:

Pickett also told Sawyer it was a runway in a deleted scene. Guess that one isn't canon since Sawyer had to ask Juliet later.

Yes, Juliet told Sawyer it was a runway in season 3... for aliens. :cool:

I just realized, that alien is just another word for "foreigner" and doesn't need to be related to life from outer space... They could just have referred to the new arrivees as the "aliens", i.e. alien to the island and not accustomated to it. I mean, the O-815 people have now adapted to the Island.

I immediately thought of the runway too, but the plane looked like it had landed on a bunch of trees or foliage to me...

It's been over 3 years since the building of the runway. Last we heard, the Others were supposed to be at the Temple in hiding. So, the runway and the Hydra station are overgrown slightly. But, I could still see the flat runway under the foliage, I think.

what about the aliens!!! lol just kidding but this is a good idea

I am waiting for the aliens as well.

I could not see if it was on the runway or not. I just assumed since they were on Alcatraz island and the runway was on the Alcatraz island, then the airplane was on the runway.

My assumption was it was a runway and it probably wasn't long enough to land a jet on it. And as we know, Lapidus always lands aircraft safely....("What kind of pilot do we think he is?")

So the rocks they were busting in season 3 were for a runway specifically for Lapidus to land on? I'm betting someone in production is wishing that they thought of this first.

..what makes you think they didn't? i'm sure by season 3 they knew people were gonna leave and come back.

We were discussing this on another thread, but this one is more too the point and becoming more popular, so i'll quote myself from that one:


http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=108555&page=5
I found and lightened the pic of the 316 plane after it landed.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/5ddca927918825

Meano is right. Frank got 'er down safely and on the runway, which btw, looks a lot more finished than we last saw it. The plane appears to have turned to the right a little as it was nearing the end of the runway.

p.s. did anyone else think of Lost when the pics of the crashed Turkish Airways plane was shown this week...the way it broke into 3 big pieces..

Only bec. I can't figure out how they would have gotten put in the Hydra if Sayid had them? Well at least he had Danielle's map.

I got to think that Benry or other Others were tailing the Losties every move all long. Who had the Tempest map?..was it Daniel and Char?

100%
Here are 2 pics of the Hydra folder..not very good i'm afraid..maybe someone will post a home-made one that is better;
http://www.imagebam.com/image/561c2c27920511

One unexpected pay-off in this one...in the lower left corner..a map of Hydra Island!
http://www.imagebam.com/image/fe62e227920512

That and some other clues seem to say for sure they did land on Hydra Island.

So the rocks they were busting in season 3 were for a runway specifically for Lapidus to land on? I'm betting someone in production is wishing that they thought of this first.

If they were building a runway, don't you think they would have had to bust the rocks to make the ground flat? I was just watching "I Do" from season three. Kate tells Jack that whatever they were building was "big".

Ben has done a lot of traveling, so I put my money on him as the person who started telling folks back in 2004 to start building a runway. And just to be precise, he didn't see the future back then, he somehow told the past from now.

I doubt Alcatraz is big enough to land a jetliner on, let alone take off.

Ben has done a lot of traveling, so I put my money on him as the person who started telling folks back in 2004 to start building a runway. And just to be precise, he didn't see the future back then, he somehow told the past from now.

I doubt Alcatraz is big enough to land a jetliner on, let alone take off.

Ben said to Sawyer in S3 that the hydra island is roughly twice the size of Alcatraz. So whatever that comes to be. In any case, I doubt the runway is big at all, and the landing is just chalked up to Lapidus' skill as a pilot.

This may seem like a ridiculous question, but does anyone think that there's any possibility that the other passengers on Flight 316 are Others?... perhaps returning to the Islands, Others.
I had the same thought at first. However, if Ceasar and Ilana were others, they certainly would know who Ben is, but it seems they don't have a relationship with Ben. I think they work for Widmore. So they know who Ben is, but are not letting on.

Agreed. I was going to put up a map comparing Alcatraz to the San Fran airport and (even at 2x Alcatraz size) it's like comparing a postage stamp to a laptop.

All I'm saying is that if they built the runway for this crash, it wasn't so they could reuse the plane. They just wanted to minimize casualties. Plus, 316 would make a much better shelter than 815.

All I'm saying is that if they built the runway for this crash, it wasn't so they could reuse the plane. They just wanted to minimize casualties.

Good point. I realize the two planes are different and the stopping devices are different, but they do land jets on aircraft carriers with the help of cables and hooks. I don't know what they had on that runway in way of stopping the plane. Some kind of netting system. I don't know.

....... I don't know what they had on that runway in way of stopping the plane. Some kind of netting system. I don't know.

Trees...

lots and lots and lots of trees..
Once it is down and travelling along the floor, pretty much anything that wont cause it to break in bits and explode would be fine...

And one thing they have lots of on the Island???
NO not ghosts, or trolls, whacky evil spirits or smoke monsters...

Trees...:)

Trees...

lots and lots and lots of trees..
Once it is down and travelling along the floor, pretty much anything that wont cause it to break in bits and explode would be fine...


The shot they showed of the plane on the ground did have it surrounded by trees. I would think that the trees would do too much damage. Maybe the bamboo they have on the island would be a better shock absorbers and not crush the fuselage like a soda can.

It's been over 3 years since the building of the runway. Last we heard, the Others were supposed to be at the Temple in hiding. So, the runway and the Hydra station are overgrown slightly. But, I could still see the flat runway under the foliage, I think.

It hasn't been 3 years on-island, necessarily. We've seen many, many indications that time off the island passes differently from on it. So it may have been any amount of time on the island.

And you can still see the runway. What it looked like to me was that Lapidus either missed the runway a little bit or, more likely, landed in some trees on purpose to help the braking system of the plane. The runway can't have been very long, and them planes need lots of stopping room. The foliage would have helped.

Agreed. I think he realized he was going down, noticed a streak of defoliated land on Alcatraz and headed for it, touched down then when the 'runway' was about to end he turned the (now slower) plane
into the trees.

What kind of pilot do you think I am?

The miraculous kind.

What kind of pilot do you think I am?

The miraculous kind.

Frank might not deserve the credit for putting the plane down safely. The Island is what brought 316 down, just like it brought 815 down through Desmond. And that plane actually broke up in mid air. If it's the O6 destiny to return to the Island, maybe it's the other passengers' destiny to end up there for the first time.