Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Hurley first saw 'dead Charlie' under that same tree, I thought I remember one of the crazies pointing out to Hurley that a guy was watching him. This shows that someone else could see Charlie, but when someone else saw Locke he seemed totally convinced that he was alive.

Thoughts?

One of the crazies said they saw Charlie. A nurse or attendent was the person who confirmed that Locke was alive and sitting there in a chair.

One of the crazies said they saw Charlie. A nurse or attendent was the person who confirmed that Locke was alive and sitting there in a chair.

I don't see your point, if the person is not really there, then no one should be able to see them; crazy, attendant, nurse, or taxi driver.

And I thought the crazy was the one that pointed out that a guy was standing there, not Hurley saying ''Hey crazy guy, do you see that guy there?''

But im going off of memory here so I def. could be wrong.
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[In flash-forward, Hurley is sat outside within the mental institution grounds. He draws an Eskimo and an igloo. A patient approaches Hurley]
PATIENT: I'd watch out if I were you.
HURLEY: What you talking about, dude?
PATIENT: There's a guy over there, staring at you.
HURLEY: What guy?
[The patient points]
PATIENT: That guy.
[Hurley looks over and looks scared. Charlie is stood by a car]

I don't see your point, if the person is not really there, then no one should be able to see them; crazy, attendant, nurse, or taxi driver.

And I thought the crazy was the one that pointed out that a guy was standing there, not Hurley saying ''Hey crazy guy, do you see that guy there?''

But im going off of memory here so I def. could be wrong.
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[In flash-forward, Hurley is sat outside within the mental institution grounds. He draws an Eskimo and an igloo. A patient approaches Hurley]
PATIENT: I'd watch out if I were you.
HURLEY: What you talking about, dude?
PATIENT: There's a guy over there, staring at you.
HURLEY: What guy?
[The patient points]
PATIENT: That guy.
[Hurley looks over and looks scared. Charlie is stood by a car]

When Charlie appeared to Hurley, another pt. did see Charlie, but there wasn't an attendant or a nurse present at that particular time to confirm or deny that they both weren't hallucinating. When Locke went to visit Hurley, an RN or a nursing assistant was standing close by when Hurley asked her if she saw Locke. She confirmed seeing Locke and Hurley believed her. I hope that helps.

That still doesn't make sense, how could Hurley and some random 'dude' be hallucinating about seeing the same guy? We agree the crazy guy saw Charlie AND pointed him out to Hurley. I dont see why we even need anyone else's confirmation, just two separate people seeing the same thing shows its not in one of their heads.

If Hurley had been the one to ask the other crazy guy if he saw someone, I would totally agree. But it was the other way around and thats why I dont see why it matters if the person is crazy or an nurse or whatever.

Each case shows a person other than Hurley seeing the person, proving that neither Locke, or Charlie is a simple hallucination in his own head.

This could easily just be a goof up, but then what is the point of even having the other crazy guy point him out, why not just let Hurley see him on his own.

That still doesn't make sense, how could Hurley and some random 'dude' be hallucinating about seeing the same guy? We agree the crazy guy saw Charlie AND pointed him out to Hurley. I dont see why we even need anyone else's confirmation, just two separate people seeing the same thing shows its not in one of their heads.

If Hurley had been the one to ask the other crazy guy if he saw someone, I would totally agree. But it was the other way around and thats why I dont see why it matters if the person is crazy or an nurse or whatever.

Each case shows a person other than Hurley seeing the person, proving that neither Locke, or Charlie is a simple hallucination in his own head.

This could easily just be a goof up, but then what is the point of even having the other crazy guy point him out, why not just let Hurley see him on his own.

While I completly see how you are looking at the situation...I will go with this notion for now .... When Hurley and the other patient see Charlie,,, try not to look at it like they both are hallucinating ,,, but they can both see dead people.

That still doesn't make sense, how could Hurley and some random 'dude' be hallucinating about seeing the same guy?
Hurley 'imagined' the random dude.

Hurley 'imagined' the random dude.

That too, is definatly possible.

I look at it the way Dadntyler saw it. He would believe the authority of a nurse, who has never been diagnosed with any mental health issues.

Hurley doesn't assume he's imagining Locke this time, he specifically tells Locke he thinks he's *dead*. So Hurley thinks he's seeing a ghost, which another patient might also be able to see.

There are a couple of possibilities. One is that the other patient was "crazy" enough to see Charlie too. That implies Charlie was a spirit, and both Hurley and the other crazy could see the spirit, but other people couldn't.

The other possibility is raised by the way they made a point of Charlie slapping Hurley to prove he was really there. It always seemed to me like he was physically present, like Christian. If that's the case, Charlie was an exception, and the other dead people Hurley's been seeing -- Eko, Ana Lucia, whever else -- have been spirits/visions that no one else can see.

Whatever the case, it seems clear that at least all the people since Charlie, he has been the only one to see. So the fact that someone else could see him was significant.

Ooor maybe the other crazy guy just imagined seeing some random guy, and at the same time Charlie appeared to Hurley. The crazy guy might not have actually "seen" Charlie.

I have two possible answers to this question.

1. Some have already mentioned that the other patient that pointed out Charlie could have been his imagination as well. In that scene, the shot goes to a wide angle, and the other patient is nowhere to be seen.

2. I think I remember seeing a guy in the background that looked like he was holding a camera and looking Hurley's direction when the the patient told Hurley he was being watched.

I'm going to go with #2. Especially now that we know that Widmore was having each of the O6 watched, and had pictures taken of them. Hence, the guy in the background with a camera watching Hurley.

I actually realized in the S4 finale, that the man who was watching Hurley (the one Sayid killed) is probably the guy that the crazy man saw and warned Hurley about.

Hurley 'imagined' the random dude.

I would believe that. I also would believe that crazy people could see things the nurses can not.

There could be another possibility - maybe the person Hurley saw as Charlie is a real person (so other people can see him/her) but he has the ability to appear as Charlie.

My thoughts are:

Hurley and the other crazy saw Charlie cause Charlie was there just as Locke was. I found Charlie rather condesending in a way when he spoke to Hurley, just as Claire was to Locke, and Christian to Locke "since when has Ben etc.." Either Charlie, and Claire are dead and have been resorected as Christian and Locke have been.. or there alive.. Last we saw Claire walked off in the jungle with Christian and was in the cabin, and Charlie was in the underwater station with Mikael on the other side of a broken window.. Could Mikael have led Charlie away as Christian did Claire?? Either way I believe Charlie was really there and I believe Charlie was the one who told Hurley that he needed to go back remember season 4 he told him that among other things?? We don't know how many times Charlie really came to Hurley.

Maybe Hurley hallucinated the crazy guy who told him Charlie was standing there.

While I completly see how you are looking at the situation...I will go with this notion for now .... When Hurley and the other patient see Charlie,,, try not to look at it like they both are hallucinating ,,, but they can both see dead people.
This was how I understood it to be.

There's also the possibility that since the crazy guy told Hurley there was someone staring at him, Hurley could have produced an image of Charlie in his head subconsciously, therefore summoning up a kind of memory of him. He was basically his best friend on the island, after all.

I have two possible answers to this question.

1. Some have already mentioned that the other patient that pointed out Charlie could have been his imagination as well. In that scene, the shot goes to a wide angle, and the other patient is nowhere to be seen.

2. I think I remember seeing a guy in the background that looked like he was holding a camera and looking Hurley's direction when the the patient told Hurley he was being watched.

I'm going to go with #2. Especially now that we know that Widmore was having each of the O6 watched, and had pictures taken of them. Hence, the guy in the background with a camera watching Hurley.

we know now that someone WAS watching Hurley, according to Sayid, whether he was visible in that scene or not... so i don't think it's too far fetched that he was talking about THAT person as Charlie was happening to stroll up...

That still doesn't make sense, how could Hurley and some random 'dude' be hallucinating about seeing the same guy?
What makes you think they saw the same guy? The other crazy person hallucinated about some guy watching Hurley. This in turn caused Hurley to hallucinate about Charlie.

What makes you think they saw the same guy? The other crazy person hallucinated about some guy watching Hurley. This in turn caused Hurley to hallucinate about Charlie.

That's stretching it a bit too far, for no real reason. May as well then say that Hugo was asleep dreaming the whole scene in his head.

That's stretching it a bit too far, for no real reason. May as well then say that Hugo was asleep dreaming the whole scene in his head.

Why?

Random crazy guy says "Loooook, someone is waaatching yoooou!"

And then Hurley for some reason "summons" Charlie.

Considering Hurley already saw Charlie before (twice, even!), this wouldn't seem that much of a stretch.