I know Amy wanted the necklace with the Ankh back for a keepsake to remember her husband, but why hide removing it from Goodspeed and Sawyer? Is it possible that he was a plant from Richard's group of "Others"? It would be simple enough for the "Others" to place someone like Paul in Goodspeed's path to recruit considering Richard obviously has the ability to come and go from the island at will (as evidenced in his visiting Locke's birth for example).

Good question. I don't know that she was hiding the ankh because Horace knew whose necklace it was when he found it in her drawer.
Why would the Natives/Others killed another Other?? Were they setting someting up in order to break the truce?? Was that really why they wanted Paul's body?

But why would he wear a necklace that would identify him as a member of that group? And I do agree that the ankh symbol is clearly connected with the Others (through their Egyptian link), and I think it's very suspicious that he has it. I'm just not sure why he would take the chance that it might fall out of his shirt and be seen (unless he figures nobody would recognize it?), unless there was some very compelling reason why he had to wear it at all times.

Yes, I think there is a connection. But I don't think the Dharma guys would have put 2+2 together with the ankh and Paul. If you needed a group of scientists to decipher hieroglyphs, you'd have to find experts. Those experts would likely be into the culture that they studied...so no reason for suspicion.
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No. I don't think he was an Other, because Richard's guys killed him. The Others' are pretty strict about not killing their own (unless there's been an order to do so).

I was around in 1974, and I remember the ankh symbol being a popular symbol at that time. You would see it on pendants, posters, t-shirts, etc. The ankh always reminds me of the 70's and hippies.

Edited to add: I do think there is more to it than just a 70's motif though. With all the dead people walking around, and Richards apparent everlasting life and all....

Maybe it was a situation where the Hostiles were upset that this poser was wearing the ankh as a fashion statement when it meant so much to them. Maybe him wearing the symbol of everlasting life was the reason they took his life. More Lost irony.

I was around in 1974, and I remember the ankh symbol being a popular symbol at that time. You would see it on pendants, posters, t-shirts, etc. The ankh always reminds me of the 70's and hippies.

Edited to add: I do think there is more to it than just a 70's motif though. With all the dead people walking around, and Richards apparent everlasting life and all....

Maybe it was a situation where the Hostiles were upset that this poser was wearing the ankh as a fashion statement when it meant so much to them. Maybe him wearing the symbol of everlasting life was the reason they took his life. More Lost irony.

That may very well be it, MPmom.

What about Amy? Why would they kill Paul if he was a spy? Or, to take it one step forward, we could also propose that Amy and Paul were Hostile spies and they were being punished for something they did or didn't do with the DI. They didn't want to kill Amy. They put a bag over her head to take her somewhere. I agree that there is something fishy behind the Hostiles meeting up with and killing Paul, but I don't think the answer is that easy.

So what was the truce then? A> Don't come past the fence, and we won't go in. Or B> Don't attack us and we won't attack you.

Because it occurred to me that Richard was all fired up for no reason if the answer is B, because the Hostiles were the instigators in this case.

Could have been a set up to purposely break the truce. Plus, if Paul lived, then Horrace and Amy's baby would never had been born. I'm not sure who that baby is yet, but it seems a baby born on the island may be significant.

I do think Paul was an other- as soon as horace asked amy for the body I was convinced. The truce probably had to do with specific parts of the jungle and Paul and Amy broke it. Amy is fishy too, I just don't know why yet.. They killed him to reincarnate him probably in the temple.. Why won't they show us the inside of that damn temple!!!

I started a thread on this same topic last night after watching LaFleur again. Just closed it, I didn't realize a thread had already been started on the same topic. :redface:

This is what I posted:


Upon re-watching LaFleur tonight, something hit me. I could be way off, but I wondered if Paul - Amy's first husband - could be a Hostile. This is how it started:

Paul was wearing a necklace of an Ankh. The ancient statue was holding 2 Ankhs.

Yeah, yeah, you could say that the Dharma Initiative used hieroglyphs all over the place. However, indisputably, the glyphs were all over the island before the DI got there. What if Paul was a plant by the Hostiles in the DI, and he wore that as a reminder of his people? I could go so far as to say maybe Amy was originally a Hostile as well. That could be why they felt safe picnicking in what was probably outside of “truce lines”. [Were the 2 Hostiles ticked off that Paul and Amy were so cozy with the DI that they got a little rogue?] That could be why Amy freaked out SO MUCH when Juliet and Sawyer killed them. [Some people have stated on the boards that “the truce” is not reason enough for the amount of freak out Amy displayed. And I will admit I, myself, have disputed such claims.] After Sawyer talked to Alpert, he demanded Paul’s body. Was Richard bringing Paul home?

Horace and Amy had a fight 2 weeks before their baby was due over the Ankh necklace. Was the fight purely over Horace’s jealousy and not being convinced Amy was over Paul? Or was that necklace the only reminder Amy had left of the last tie she had to her old life? So she would fight to keep it, getting so upset she went into labor early.

If this is true, then Amy and Horace’s baby is more important than we realize. That baby is ½ Hostile, ½ Dharma Initiative.

I could be way off - and probably am :biggrin: - but it kind of makes weird sense to me.

I think you are on to something.. Juliet was an other and now is DI. For all we know, Amy could have set Paul up.

Maybe only the Others/Hostiles are having childbirth problems on the island, and they wanted Amy's baby. The DI could have been using the sub to get to a hospital solely as a precautionary measure, not because of birthing problems. If DI was having such problems, the women wouldn't be getting past the middle of their 2nd trimester.

Maybe only the Others/Hostiles are having childbirth problems on the island, and they wanted Amy's baby. The DI could have been using the sub to get to a hospital solely as a precautionary measure, not because of birthing problems. If DI was having such problems, the women wouldn't be getting past the middle of their 2nd trimester.
Am I missing something? Amy was not pregnant back when Paul was killed...was she?

I think they may have planned on taking Amy back to their camp with them though esp. if their women were having the baby problems at that time. I think the would want a nonOther woman to see if they could impregnate her.

While watching the enhanced episode last night, I realized that Amy referred to Paul's body as "it"

Here is the Lostpedia Lafleur transcript:
AMY: [Getting up] We--we--we have to. The truce. [Rubbing her mouth] Oh, God. [Sniffles] We have to bury them. And--and we have... [voice breaking] we have... and we have to bring it--him back home. We have to bring Paul back with us. Please. Please? [Whispers] Please.

This remided me of when Shannon "translated" the Rousseau radio tower message, and she translated some parts as "either it or he"

Amy could have just been referring to Paul as a corpse, and then corrected herself, saying "he", but it just kinda stuck out to me, as if Paul wasn't a "he" but something else, perhaps an Other...

While watching the enhanced episode last night, I realized that Amy referred to Paul's body as "it"

Here is the Lostpedia Lafleur transcript:
AMY: [Getting up] We--we--we have to. The truce. [Rubbing her mouth] Oh, God. [Sniffles] We have to bury them. And--and we have... [voice breaking] we have... and we have to bring it--him back home. We have to bring Paul back with us. Please. Please? [Whispers] Please.

This remided me of when Shannon "translated" the Rousseau radio tower message, and she translated some parts as "either it or he"

Amy could have just been referring to Paul as a corpse, and then corrected herself, saying "he", but it just kinda stuck out to me, as if Paul wasn't a "he" but something else, perhaps an Other...

This going to sound weird but I think she wanted it/his body brought back because the Others don't properly bury their own. I think something happens on the Island to dead bodies...such as they are taken over by Smokie or maybe Jacob. And I don't think she wanted that to happen..
But then again, unless she was an Other she wouldn't know about Jacob and Smokie's "powers". Hmmmmm....maybe Amy is an Other.