Before i read anything by anyone..i want to put this out there, a 'flash' i had as i got up this morning...i may be all wrong...I will add more info as i find the screen caps, etc.

3-5-09 La Fleur episode:

Theory, The young frizzy red-haired girl we saw at the picnic was in fact Emily Locke, she was called Amy. She was saved by Sawyer's quick action from being kidnapped by the Others.

We found out later, it was 1974 at this time. She had John Locke in 1956, when she was 16, , so would be 34 at this time. She looked about that (check cast for being the same girl) ( insert pic of each Emily here)

3 years later in 1977, she has a new baby boy, with Dharma Leader Horace, and was able to have birth on the island.(making her special?)
Her dead hubby Paul, had a Egyptian Ank Symbol necklace, which she had saved since his death. Sawyer's quick action saved her again, when he brings in Doctor in hiding Juliet.
The baby was not named, but it follows that she would name it after her 'savior' James.

I think we saw this symbol before. Sawyer wore it and gave it to Kate to be given to Cassidy for his kid? (Insert pic of Ank from last night and from older epi's)

Conclusion: Sawyer facilitated his real Mom to have himself; and he is in fact, Locke's 1/2 brother.

More theories: that she was brought to Lostia for that very reason, guided there by Alpert. Alpert was there at Locke's birth, they were now taking her as their 'property' in the first picnic scene.

Old theories: that Cooper was never Locke's real Dad, nor Sawyer's, just a con man.
That Sawyer's Mom was not his real Mom and when she told her hubby is when he shot her then himself with the shotgun.

To Ponder: Was the baby really Horace's? No real reason not to think this..but??

I've always thought that Sawyer and Locke were brothers, same blue eyes- although Christian shares the same blue eyes.. how would he fit into this?? Imagine ole Em had twins? that would be something.. LOL

There was an older woman named Amelia at Juliet's book club. Could be that Amy's short for Amelia and she somehow escaped the Purge or made a deal with Ben and continued living on the island.

There was an older woman named Amelia at Juliet's book club. Could be that Amy's short for Amelia and she somehow escaped the Purge or made a deal with Ben and continued living on the island.

Or Amelia Earhart?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Erhardt

Here are 'caps of the gals; not the same actress, but sure look a lot alike:

Emily at 16:
http://thumbnails9.imagebam.com/2870/3c4f0028696590.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/3c4f0028696590)
Emily giving Birth:
http://thumbnails12.imagebam.com/2870/ad6fb028696592.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/ad6fb028696592)

Amy at "Sonic Drive-thru" 1974
http://thumbnails16.imagebam.com/2870/81eaa928698523.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/81eaa928698523)
Amy giving birth 1977
http://thumbnails14.imagebam.com/2870/041a5528696594.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/041a5528696594)

No find of the necklace in past epi's yet.

In Jeff Jensen's article today he said:
A boy. Congratulations, unhappy parents. And now let the guessing game of ''Who will this baby will grow up to be on Lost?'' commence. My bet: Newcomer Caesar.
But he is obviously not Caucasian, like Horace and Amy. Only way this could be is is Alpert is the real Daddy?

But Sawyer brought up a provocative idea: Maybe the Island's anti-baby policy was inspired by an event that has not occurred yet.
Then again, that Dharma internist said they usually do all their baby deliveries on the mainland.

Or that Amy/Emily was brought to the island because she was immune somehow to this 'radiation sickness'? (for want of a better diagnosis so far)
and she had the 'special Locke'.

of course the baby is horaces? who else would it be? its been 3 years since pauls death... am I missing something?

Well one version i read is that the baby is Caesar, who is obviously browned skinned (not sure his ethic background) unlike the pasty pale parents. that led to the idea that the baby could be Alpert's. he was at Locke's birth and all.

since this big 'guess' on my part; a awful spoiler has come out that says someone else we know is the baby, and it wreaks the whole thing. i saw it not here but in 'un-edited' comments in Dark UFO's site. I guess it's in the spoiler section here too.

I still like the idea that Amy = Emily Locke....so a spoiler on that should be out any minute.


Also there is a theory that 2 of the same person cannot exist in "time" at the same time...so Sawyer would not be able to see himself as a baby....and it's why Char disappeared when they flashed to 1974, she was already there??? (it also said Ben lied about Char's age when he said 1979 as her B-day.)???

Well one version i read is that the baby is Caesar, who is obviously browned skinned (not sure his ethic background) unlike the pasty pale parents. that led to the idea that the baby could be Alpert's. he was at Locke's birth and all.

I still like the idea that Amy = Emily Locke....so a spoiler on that should be out any minute.

Also there is a theory that 2 of the same person cannot exist in "time" at the same time...so Sawyer would not be able to see himself as a baby....and it's why Char disappeared when they flashed to 1974, she was already there??? (it also said Ben lied about Char's age when he said 1979 as her B-day.)???

I do think Ben lied about her age, or perhaps that her mother did when she took her off-island. The Orchid outtakes video proves that two of the same thing can be in the same area at the same time, although you don't want them to get near each other... Also, they've already flashed to a time when they (Jin, Locke and Sawyer at least) already existed, when Sawyer watched Kate deliver Aaron.
No way is that baby Cesar. My money's on Ethan Rom. And as far as Emily goes, I just can't buy it. She was just the flesh to create John. She herself is unimportant.

Also there is a theory that 2 of the same person cannot exist in "time" at the same time...so Sawyer would not be able to see himself as a baby....and it's why Char disappeared when they flashed to 1974, she was already there??? (it also said Ben lied about Char's age when he said 1979 as her B-day.)???

I tried floating this theory (Explaining why Juliet could not leave on the sub - because a younger version of herself existed back in Portland?)

However, that I idea was debunked when someone reminded me that while time-skipping, Locke saw the beam of light coming from the Hatch. So there were 2 versions of himself on the island at the same time. That is why he did not want to go towards the light.

Also, Sawyer witnessed Claire giving birth, which means he could have met himself on the island.

Although 2 versions of the same person have not met each other (yet?), it does seem that it is possible. (As insinuated by the Bunny incident at the orchid)

I don't think this baby is going to be one of the Others we've already met back in past seasons. After all, as far as we know, Ben was the only member of Dharma to 'defect' to them. He was effectively manipulated by the Hostiles to gas the DI. If other DI's defected, they could have easily destroyed the DI years before. I think that the baby is one of the Losties, or at least related to one of them. I do like the Sawyer idea tho =]

I don't think the baby is Caeser though. I mean... is it really realistic that Amy slept with Alpert? And, surely, if Alpert knew he had a son (which I'm assuming he would do, seeing how he seems to have a close watch on the DI), he would, by whatever means necessary, make sure that child was born as Hostile.

BUT... thinking about LaFleur, that could be the reason why the two Hostiles were putting the bag over Amy's head. They weren't going to kill her, they were going to take her back to wherever the Hostiles currently were (I'm assuming The Temple?) so this baby could become part of the island. After all, they tried it with Claire, and she wasn't even carrying the baby of an Other.

Sorry Jpolarbear but I think saying Amy = Emily (Locke's mother) is quite a stretch.

It would mean too much age confusion for the writers to explain for one thing.
And for her to be Sawyer's real mother is even more of a stretch. It just doesn't fit nor seem necessary to the storyline.

BUT... thinking about LaFleur, that could be the reason why the two Hostiles were putting the bag over Amy's head. They weren't going to kill her, they were going to take her back to wherever the Hostiles currently were (I'm assuming The Temple?) so this baby could become part of the island. After all, they tried it with Claire, and she wasn't even carrying the baby of an Other.

Interesting thought. I got the impression that they were going to kill her.

Also, I thought the deal with taking Claire was trying to solve the fertility problem...which didn't exist in 1974...did it?

Interesting thought. I got the impression that they were going to kill her.

Also, I thought the deal with taking Claire was trying to solve the fertility problem...which didn't exist in 1974...did it?

Ahh yes! I completely forgot that... which is really stupid seeing how I watched Maternity Leave on Sunday =p

Sorry Jpolarbear but I think saying Amy = Emily (Locke's mother) is quite a stretch.

It would mean too much age confusion for the writers to explain for one thing.
And for her to be Sawyer's real mother is even more of a stretch. It just doesn't fit nor seem necessary to the storyline.

Gee, i think the ages fits it really well...as i laid out.
we know exactly when Emily was born, we saw her Driver's lic. She was 16 when she had Locke in '56, so was 37 in '77, which she looked to be in her mid 30's. then in Locke's later life, she'd be in her late 50's, which Swoozie appears to be. (don't remember when exactly he got his kidney taken)

But Sawyer brought up a provocative idea: Maybe the Island's anti-baby policy was inspired by an event that has not occurred yet.
Then again, that Dharma internist said they usually do all their baby deliveries on the mainland.
I said before...
"Or that Amy/Emily was brought to the island because she was immune somehow to this 'sickness'? and she had the 'special Locke'."

And as I said, that's why the Others were Kidnapping her in the first place..to use her for making babies, where other women could not....remember that was 3 years before she had.....the spoilers said who....not Sawyer. :(

(they didn't put a bag over anyone they've killed, but always over ones they 'take'; why ruin a good burlap bag?)

"I thought the deal with taking Claire was trying to solve the fertility problem."

Exactly, but not to solve the problem, but cuz she was immune to the problem, just like Amy was...that's the common link, imo.

Sawyer was just guessing... The Internist had said they took women to Tahiti to have their kids, so Dharma was already aware of the 'problem'.

But he is obviously not Caucasian, like Horace and Amy. Only way this could be is is Alpert is the real Daddy?

It's funny that people keep assuming that Amy is "caucasian." She looked PART caucasian to me, and in fact, it turns out that the actress who plays her, Reiko, is part Japanese.
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In fact, I think Amy and Horace's baby is Miles. I haven't read any spoilers. It just seems obvious to me. I'll go read them now and see. I could, of course, be totally wrong...

I wondered if maybe Amy was a hostile who was having a secret relationship with (and maybe secretly married) Paul, a Dharma guy. I figured they killed him and were taking her back to their group. What this has to do with anything I really don't know.

It's funny that people keep assuming that Amy is "caucasian." She looked PART caucasian to me, and in fact, it turns out that the actress who plays her, Reiko, is part Japanese.
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In fact, I think Amy and Horace's baby is Miles. I haven't read any spoilers. It just seems obvious to me. I'll go read them now and see. I could, of course, be totally wrong...

This is an Excellent point..and shows that you can never really tell. She certainly is made up to hide her Asian background and is given red hair. (like Emily has)

I haven't hear the "miles' theory' before. Again, cuz of the obvious ethic relations, Miles, I've read has always been linked to Dr. Candle (by whatever name it was this season), since he has a baby coming in the 1st epi. (not a spoiler that i read)

I''m surprised so many people keep floating the idea that Charlotte disappeared because she couldn't be in a time were her younger self was. I think it is perfectly plausible that she disappeared because she was dead and her body didn't flash back in time with the rest of them. In other words they flashed and her body stayed where it was (who knows if she'll stay dead) .

I feel like I could float the theory that Sun and Charlotte are the same person and at least a few people would agree with me.

That's silly. Everyone knows that Charlotte is Dagne.

I''m surprised so many people keep floating the idea that Charlotte disappeared because she couldn't be in a time were her younger self was. I think it is perfectly plausible that she disappeared because she was dead and her body didn't flash back in time with the rest of them. In other words they flashed and her body stayed where it was (who knows if she'll stay dead) .

I can agree with the first part...Char. died, she didn't flash along anymore...sounds bad for Rose and Bernard who seem to have vanished?

The Sawyer + Locke connection was made long ago when Locke got Sawyer to kill what he thinks is his Dad..Cooper. Don't worry, this has already been spoiled.

And Amy: it's far from "random". The time line, the red hair, the ability to have 'babies on the island', the Others want her, Emily had 'special Locke', Alpert was there to see it, etc. all give the Amy=Emily a lot of good clues to put together...

I actually came back to edit my post because I realized I was being too harsh, I've just been reading threads for days that seem to be complete shots-in-the-dark about who could be the baby the statue etc... I guess I'm just hoping TPTB don't get too carried away with the ancestry of the characters.

Conclusion: Sawyer facilitated his real Mom to have himself; and he is in fact, Locke's 1/2 brother.



This would be a paradox if I have ever seen one.

I like the fact that you think that after Alpert went to Locke's birth he became interested in her. I like this theory, it might not be true but hey guys it is just a theory and Amy and Emily do look alike. Here are some more pictures of Amy (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=125228&fullsize=1), young Emily (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=114470&fullsize=1) and older Emily (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/a/a7/Emily.jpg). What if they are sisters?

I actually came back to edit my post because I realized I was being too harsh, I've just been reading threads for days that seem to be complete shots-in-the-dark about who could be the baby the statue etc... .

thanks for that..i will edit that out of my post, please edit out my 'quote' in yours. these 2 things have been the "Hot Topics" here this week.
Gosh and another whole week until the next episode!

thanks boncam, here are the pics i posted on pg.1 to compare:
Here are 'caps of the gals; not the same actress, but sure look a lot alike:
They sure seem to have gone way out of their way to find ladies that could look alike, but at diff. ages:
Emily at 16:
http://thumbnails9.imagebam.com/2870/3c4f0028696590.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/3c4f0028696590)
Emily giving Birth:
http://thumbnails12.imagebam.com/2870/ad6fb028696592.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/ad6fb028696592)

Amy at "Sonic Drive-thru" 1974 (if Emily, she'd be 34)
http://thumbnails16.imagebam.com/2870/81eaa928698523.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/81eaa928698523)
Amy giving birth 1977 (If Emily, she'd be 37 now)
http://thumbnails14.imagebam.com/2870/041a5528696594.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/041a5528696594)

I like this JPolarBear! I have felt all along that Horace is NOT the father of Amy's baby.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you explain the fact that Sawyer's mother was shot by Cooper? Are we supposed to think that she wasn't his mother?

I've always thought that Miles is the son of Dr. Candle/Alvar Hanso, as well.

And about the baby being Sawyer...I think it's possible for it to be Sawyer or someone who is currently on the island...and maybe they'll disappear now that the baby's been born. But my money's on Ethan.

Well one version i read is that the baby is Caesar, who is obviously browned skinned (not sure his ethic background) unlike the pasty pale parents. that led to the idea that the baby could be Alpert's. he was at Locke's birth and all.

since this big 'guess' on my part; a awful spoiler has come out that says someone else we know is the baby, and it wreaks the whole thing. i saw it not here but in 'un-edited' comments in Dark UFO's site. I guess it's in the spoiler section here too.

I still like the idea that Amy = Emily Locke....so a spoiler on that should be out any minute.


Also there is a theory that 2 of the same person cannot exist in "time" at the same time...so Sawyer would not be able to see himself as a baby....and it's why Char disappeared when they flashed to 1974, she was already there??? (it also said Ben lied about Char's age when he said 1979 as her B-day.)???

Since you KNOW that someone else is the baby (I've heard who it is), why are you still theorizing something that you know is busted? Unless Locke and Sawyer are somehow related to this other character...which would be very weird.

Adam118 I do not read spoilers but your post just spoiled our theory! :mad:

This would be a paradox if I have ever seen one.
How? Sawyer was alway there to save Amy.

Unless Locke and Sawyer are somehow related to this other character...which would be very weird.

I;m not, actually since i made that post on 3-7, i haven't talked about it at all.
and i got a warning:
for admitting i was wrong, a semi-spoiler, i guess? Your statement could be considered a spoiler too.

I've kept on the idea that Amy=Emily Locke, the other 1/2 of my 'big bad bad theory'.
If so, whoever the baby turns out to be is Locke's 1/2 bro.

KGal, I don't have any idea who the real "baby daddy" might be....it could be Horace, imo, but he does seem like he'd be impotent somehow??? are you saying it maybe Sawyer himself? The Ankh symbol! No one has found it anywhere else yet? I guess i was wtong on that part too.

jscimeca715 said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you explain the fact that Sawyer's mother was shot by Cooper? Are we supposed to think that she wasn't his mother?

I did mention this on page 1. It was a theory way back that Sawyer's parent's were not his real ones...the Mom knew it..he was 'raised by another', as so many Losties were (the common denominator).

When the unseen Dad killed the Mom and then himself with the shotgun; the theory is that she had just admitted this. She knew it was comming, she hid Sawyer, and the parents had that big argument.

Cooper did not shoot them..and from what i remember, he conned them out of all their money, bringing on the awful events. Sawyer held him responsible and went after him. (Can anyone tell me if I got this about right? I'm going from memory.):confused:

I've always thought that Miles is the son of Dr. Candle/Alvar Hanso, as well.

And about the baby being Sawyer...I think it's possible for it to be Sawyer or someone who is currently on the island...and maybe they'll disappear now that the baby's been born. But my money's on Ethan.
Sawyer is too old to be the baby. Sawyer told Ben ,he was 35 years old in "Every Man For Himself".

I think Ethan is too old too.....the actor was born in 1965. And for him to have been born in 1977 that means he was a surgeon by age 23... he was an admitted surgeon when they recruited Juliet in the year 2000.
Not impossible, I suppose but highly unlikely.

How? Sawyer was alway there to save Amy.

The quote I was responding to was: "Sawyer facilitated his real mother to have himself...".

How could someone possibly be responsible for their own birth, when they wouldn't have been there to facilitate it the first time???
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Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you explain the fact that Sawyer's mother was shot by Cooper? Are we supposed to think that she wasn't his mother?

Cooper didn't shoot Sawyer's mother, his father did.

The quote I was responding to was: "Sawyer facilitated his real mother to have himself...".

How could someone possibly be responsible for their own birth, when they wouldn't have been there to facilitate it the first time???
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Cooper didn't shoot Sawyer's mother, his father did.

that was my quote originally on pg.1 . that was my rhetorical question. how was that possible? Or could it be?

re. cooper: Good, that's what i said 2 posts above you..my memory was right.
I just added that Cooper was not Sawyer's OR Locke's real Dad. That's just a guess on my part..not proven i don't think.

Sawyerluver said:
Sawyer is too old to be the baby. Sawyer told Ben ,he was 35 years old in "Every Man For Himself".
I think Ethan is too old too.

I just saw that epi again on Sci Fi! Bummer, oh well? I agree re. Ethan, and what use or point would it be if it was that creep? And where did he go to Med School? Others U..?

that was my quote originally on pg.1 . that was my rhetorical question. how was that possible? Or could it be?

re. cooper: Good, that's what i said 2 posts above you..my memory was right.
I just added that Cooper was not Sawyer's OR Locke's real Dad. Did you catch that part?

Sawyerluver said:
Sawyer is too old to be the baby. Sawyer told Ben ,he was 35 years old in "Every Man For Himself".
I think Ethan is too old too.

I just saw that epi again on Sci Fi! Bummer, oh well? I agree re. Ethan, and what use or point would it be if it was that creep? And where did he go to Med School? Others U..?

Lol! Yeah, if the baby turns out to be Ethan then he surely isn't a legit board certified surgeon. His degree would have to be pretty bogus. We do know that Others could leave the Island so maybe he did receive some education training on the mainland but to be a surgeon by age 23 is a bit unrealistic.

Lol! Yeah, if the baby turns out to be Ethan then he surely isn't a legit board certified surgeon. His degree would have to be pretty bogus. We do know that Others could leave the Island so maybe he did receive some education training on the mainland but to be a surgeon by age 23 is a bit unrealistic.

So Ethan would have been 23 in 2000 when they meet Juliet, and he's already a Doc.? then he dies in 2004 at 27. He looked older than that?

I guess if Alpert could have his Mittlework Labs in Portland, then Ethan could have gone to school there as well, maybe even trained by real Doc's that worked there. I'll guess we will never find any of that out.
It would also mean that he was not killed by the "Purge", he'd be a teenager then(?) when was it again? early 90's? Lending some support to the idea that the baby is not Horace's after all. Another Alpert baby?

I don't know, i don't like it one bit. Let Ethan stay dead.

So Ethan would have been 23 in 2000 when they meet Juliet, and he's already a Doc.? then he dies in 2004 at 27. He looked older than that?

I guess if Alpert could have his Mittlework Labs in Portland, then Ethan could have gone to school there as well, maybe even trained by real Doc's that worked there. I'll guess we will never find any of that out.
It would also mean that he was not killed by the "Purge", he'd be a teenager then(?) when was it again? early 90's? Lending some support to the idea that the baby is not Horace's after all. Another Alpert baby?

I don't know, i don't like it one bit. Let Ethan stay dead.

Huh? :confused:
I'm agreeing with you! It is totally unrealistic to have that baby be Ethan from a time/age perspective. I too will be unhappy if it turns out to be Ethan.

Huh? :confused:
I'm agreeing with you! It is totally unrealistic to have that baby be Ethan from a time/age perspective. I too will be unhappy if it turns out to be Ethan.
I was just trying to rationalize a way for Ethan to have been a Doc. at this young age.

and that if he were a Dharma-guy of any sort, then he didn't get killed in the Purge and was made an Other for some unknown reason. (like that he was really Alpert's baby...we know Alpert can come and go at will to Otherton, like he's some sort of vampire. )

Maybe we should make a poll of who do we do NOT want the baby to be? then TPTB could see it and alter the scripts accordingly...we know they have added in little 'tip of the hats' to us before. ;)

I was just trying to rationalize a way for Ethan to have been a Doc. at this young age.

and that if he were a Dharma-guy of any sort, then he didn't get killed in the Purge and was made an Other for some unknown reason. (like that he was really Alpert's baby...we know Alpert can come and go at will to Otherton, like he's some sort of vampire. )

Maybe we should make a poll of who do we do NOT want the baby to be? then TPTB could see it and alter the scripts accordingly...we know they have added in little 'tip of the hats' to us before. ;)
JPB :eek2:
You gave me the dreaded winky smilie!
LOL! You remember how you were thinking I was being a jerk last year because I used the ;) ?

Unfortunately I think if TPTB made Ethan the baby then it's a done deal....too late to alter scripts at this point.

Let's see the Purge was in 1992. So he/baby was 15 at the time and if he was still on the Island was probably with the Others at that time or soon thereafter....which means he would have been schooled via the Others "education" path.
I remember Harper, the Otherville shrink had a Hanso Foundation certificate on her office wall. So either she was a former Dharma girl or Hanso is connected to the Others somehow. Who knows maybe Ethan was a Hanso doc...

JPB :eek2:
You gave me the dreaded winky smilie!
LOL! You remember how you were thinking I was being a jerk last year because I used the ;) ?.
i didn't give it to you!? i gave it to TPTB and their "tip of the hats"....take that off..please!

besides the real dreaded smilie is the :rolleyes:...and the "i'm more cool than you": :cool:

I missed that re. Harper. so whom ever could get a med degree directly from Hanso?
There is a feeling growing that there are far more connections between Dharma/Hanso and the Others than we are being shown so far.
Remember that Widmore Const. is generally credited with building all the hatches on the Island. and there is a connection in the lost games with this Mittlework Labs and Hanso too, right?