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Carmelita
03-16-2009, 05:02 PM
What if Elouise Hawking isn't Faraday's mom???
We see Faraday telling Des to go to Oxford and find his mother.. as Des is asking for Faraday's mothers name, there is a flash and Dan's gone...

Cut to Des- he wakes up and suddenly has the memory of Dan going to him and telling him to go to Oxford to find his mother and help the lefties stop the flashes...

Cut to Oxford- Des asks about Faraday's lab and finds that Faraday is black listed and is lead to Thresa... Des goes to Thresa's and discovers that Widmore is Dan's benefactor....

cut to widmore's office.. Des asks for Faraday's mother and Widmore gives himt he LA address for Hawking..

cut to the Lamp Post.. when des tells Hawking that her son sent him she doesn't flinch.. most mothers you'd think would show some sort of emotion at the mention of her missing son's name.. what if Widmore sent Des to Hawking for a reason other than what Des is asking of him.. some sort of personal gain on widmores part?? I think Faraday does know who Eloise Hawking is, perhaps at one point she was his mentor/ boss?? why would Dan name a rat after his mother??? He recognized "Ellie" from a 50's time flash but there was nothing soft about the way he treated her. Imagine running into your mother when she was young?? He wouldn't call her mother but you would at least be amazed right? He wasn't he was quite frank about it.

Everyone is being sent to Hawking, Christian told Locke about her, Ben took the o6'ers, and Widmore sent Des..

Who is Dan's mother??? Who was Des really supposed to meet?? Eloise doesn't strike me as a good person. The writes don't just do something obvious.

Legion303
03-19-2009, 07:14 AM
One of the pop-up "enhanced" episodes that aired stated flat out that she was Dan's mother. Could be misleading, but they've been accurate so far, to the best of my knowledge.

pascalephoto
03-20-2009, 09:47 AM
when des tells Hawking that her son sent him she doesn't flinch.. most mothers you'd think would show some sort of emotion at the mention of her missing son's name..

If she had no son she would have said something. If she had a conflict of some sort with her son and has distanced herself from him, she might have been emotionally cold to the mention of him. She also doe not act like most mothers.

maxaholic
03-20-2009, 09:52 AM
i've said this all along. but of course, i thought dan was amy and horace's baby. strike one!

hawking did not admit to desmond that faraday was her son. when dan met eloise in 1954, he said that she looked familiar. i'm sorry, if she was his mother and he knew that she had been on the island, which he does know quite a bit about the island, and with her age and her name, he would have known that she was his mum.

not buying it. i think he is the one that built that thing in the church (the needle going back and forth). she said something about a very talented man or something built it. i think he has time traveled and knowing about the island through his own mother and miss hawking, he went back in time to build it. yes, i think he does know hawking. i think she is a family friend, or better yet, an island family friend.

toddintexas
03-22-2009, 06:54 PM
One of the pop-up "enhanced" episodes that aired stated flat out that she was Dan's mother. Could be misleading, but they've been accurate so far, to the best of my knowledge.

In the latest podcast TPTB stated that the "pop up" information is not canon, as they don't write the information. They compared it to sitting down and watching Lost with a huge fan, but not someone who has all the information.

I'm pretty sure that Hawking is Daniel's mother, but I'm certainly open to the possibility that she isn't, since it hasn't been confirmed in an actual episode yet. There's lots of circumstantial evidence that supports it, but nothing definite yet.

Nevermore
03-24-2009, 08:12 AM
In the latest podcast TPTB stated that the "pop up" information is not canon, as they don't write the information. They compared it to sitting down and watching Lost with a huge fan, but not someone who has all the information.

Well, the pop-ups gave her name as "Eloise Hawking" weeks before her name was confirmed by dialogue, so...

maxaholic
03-24-2009, 08:34 AM
they have never "confirmed" that she is his mom. she may very well be. but why cut the flash right when daniel is saying " her name is.......". maybe his mother is dead or unavailable and widmore sent desmond to to hawkings as an alternative.

Nevermore
03-24-2009, 09:02 AM
they have never "confirmed" that she is his mom. she may very well be. but why cut the flash right when daniel is saying " her name is.......".

Because they didn't want us to know that Mrs. Hawking was his mother just then.

toddintexas
03-24-2009, 10:17 AM
Well, the pop-ups gave her name as "Eloise Hawking" weeks before her name was confirmed by dialogue, so...

I'm not really sure what the "Eloise Hawking" reveal has to do about the "Faraday's mother" reveal. I don't remember there being speculation that her name was Eloise, only that we had met someone on the Island named "Ellie" prior to knowing Hawking's real name. Just because they were right about Hawking's first name, doesn't necessarily mean that they're right about her being Daniel's mom.

Since TPTB have said that the "pop-ups" aren't cannon, whatever is revealed by the "pop-ups" is questionable until confirmed within the actual show.It's like saying that whatever happened in the game Lost:Via Dominus (?)(never played the game) is cannon, even though TPTB have said the video game isn't canon as well.

Just for the record, I think it was in poor taste that Hawking's first name was revealed in a "pop-up" prior to us learning it on the show, just like the Faraday's mom reveal, if in fact that is true.

maxaholic
03-24-2009, 02:12 PM
Because they didn't want us to know that Mrs. Hawking was his mother just then.

ok, i'll give you that. but whenever daniel's mom is talked about, seeing that faraday and hawking are different last names, no one ever mentions her name. when des goes to widmore, it's faraday's mom, when he sees ben at the church, he says he's there to see faraday's mom and then when he encounters hawking, the only woman in the church old enough to be faraday's mom, he says, "i came here to deliver a message. daniel faraday, your son, sent me here. he wanted me to tell you that he and all the people on the island need your help" and he points to her. "he said that only you could help them. he didn't say jack, he didn't say sun or ben. he said you". "but i am helping, dear", she replied. "consider the message delivered", said desmond. no acknowledgement whatsoever that she is his mum. if she is, she certainly has no concern regarding her son. there was a lot of eye brow raising and eye shifting throughout desmond's encounter. to me, she looks guilty of not saying anything at all. not admitting that she is not faradays' mum.

even ben's reaction when desmond showed up outside the church and said he was there to see faraday's mom was a little odd.