Seriously, if her only purpose is going to be to bounce from Jack back to Sawyer again, please just kill her off now. I don't really give a crap about the relationships on the show (one of the weakest parts of the show, IMO), but Sawyer and Juliet was actually believable and real. Kate is a dull and uninteresting character, while Juliet is very dynamic and is a natural beauty.

My god, if I have to hear the term "Skate" one more friggin' time...

dude! it ain't happening! the looks are all from sawyer. kate isn't giving any angsty looks. the deal on the porch in th end was this: kate knew jack knocked on sawyer's door. she came out on the porch to see what was happening. jack leaving and sawyer watching him go, kate saw it all. she knows exactly what transpired in there. she can read both men. the look she gave sawyer, to me, was sorrow. she is not going back to sawyer. even if i wasn't a jater, i would see it for myself.

I dont care about the relationship part of the show much either...im all about the mythology. Im going to assume that Kate does have a role to play .. but she hasnt gotten to that point yet. Maybe the relationship aspect of the show leads to important events? who knows. I think Kate is still alive for a reason. We will figure that out at some point.

ever since "Eggtown" i'm pretty much done with Kate.

As annoying as Kate is now, I think she still has a purpose. She agreed to come to the island I think because Aaron is somehow threatened. Her purpose will probably revolve around Claire and Aaron's fate.

i'm agreeing with hunkeyhurley. she has a lot more story to tell! the writers are the ones who put kate in this position, thinking it was fun to go from one ship to the next, getting us all riled up and excited only to let us down HARD. it's about time to focus on the important aspect of the show. the island and the mythology not to mention the other fabulous characters!

i think the look kate gave sawyer after jack left his house was a telling look. a look into the future. we haven't see nothing yet when it comes to kate austen!

I agree that Kate is a weak link, and I think Darlton an co knows this, which is why there's all sorts of tenuous connections to deeper elements on the show. I mean, Claire's pretty much out of the picture and she's more important to the mythology!

dude! it ain't happening! the looks are all from sawyer. kate isn't giving any angsty looks. the deal on the porch in th end was this: kate knew jack knocked on sawyer's door. she came out on the porch to see what was happening. jack leaving and sawyer watching him go, kate saw it all. she knows exactly what transpired in there. she can read both men. the look she gave sawyer, to me, was sorrow. she is not going back to sawyer. even if i wasn't a jater, i would see it for myself.I always have to smile -- how we're all watching the same show and see different stories! I'm not saying you're not right here, just that while I was watching the exact same scene I only saw Kate being miserable to be back due to:
A. Loss of Aaron
B. Loss of freedom (Thought she wasn't supposed to leave the state at home that still gave her some freedom. Here she can't leave the compound, let alone the island.)
C. Craphole Island -- she never wanted to come back, is only back because she has to be
D. In close proximity to problems of the past -- Jack, more recent problems; and Sawyer, problems from 3 years ago.

I'm not completely sure about Sawyer's "angsty" looks...you may be right. Or (which is what I hope), he's worried about what to do w/ the new arrivals, is concerned w/ all their safety but naturally cares about Kate's welfare more than the other two guys since he'd been in love w/ her a few years ago. Maybe he feels guilty that he didn't have a plan in place in case Locke didn't come back with them. I think he thought either they'd never come back or all come back w/ Locke in charge. What's transpired instead, them returning w/out Locke or any idea of how to get back, never occurred to him. And he's concerned because he feels responsible for them.

Same scenes, different takes, same love for an insane show!

Kate bashing thread!
I love it

lol I'm not a Kate fan at all but I think she does have a purpose or why would the island knock her back to 77 and keep her with Sun? There's more to it, and I'm sure we'll find out.. They wouldn't just keep her on the show to bounce back and forth to Sawyer and Jack besides Sawyer is spoken for. I think there is more to sneaky Kate than meets the eye and I'm sure we will fnd out what... I am in agreement with Lady that Kate works for Ben...

Why don't you wait it out...Im sure she's quite important, and not just there to fuel the love triangle stuff. She's the female lead after all.

Off with her head! ;)

She's the female lead after all....which is one of my main problems with this show!

give it time. we've only seen 316 land on the Island so far. we've had different story lines showing us the results, but we haven't moved past that. the no purpose complaint could be equally leveled against Hurley - who hasn't done anything but hug Sawyer yet.

this is going to heat up now that we understand who is on the Island and how and when -- next we'll see why as the story unfolds.

can't wait!!

Kate has been pointless and annoying for a while... largely due to the writer's decision to have her main storyline be an irritating love-quad.

However, I remember back in season 1 I really used to like her. Essentially, they need to drop the tiresome romance plots and give Kate a real storyline- something totally divorced from the Jack/ Sawyer love-angst nonsense. Perhaps more with Claire and Aaron. She also needs some character development outside of her romantic relationships. I'd like to see her interact with other characters (for example, the Kate/ Sayid friendship from season 1 was pretty cool.)

I have been done with Kate for a while. My boss and I were having our weekly Lost discussion and we both agree that she is such a waste on this show. She is whiny and annoying. Apparently the rumor about someone dying this season doesn't pertain to her, DARN!!!!!!!
I would be ok with Kate gone, not bashing Evangeline Lilly at all, she has been great as Kate and making her annoying, it is just that she is over due to be gone, I would much rather have Boone back. Imagine if he was still on the island, what would have happened.
I am over the Jack/Sawyer/Kate love triange. She doesnt' deserve either one of them.

She has to get Aaron back to the island, and then die in the caves with Jack.

hail to the Angel!

Alright, this thread should be closed and I wish I had not found it.

Kate has a purpose but you need to look deeper. She fits in the mythology but some people are so ***Mod edited*** that they'll never see her purpose.

Kate is better than Juliet.

If Kate dies, I'm done with this show.:mad:

Alright, this thread should be closed and I wish I had not found it.

Kate has a purpose but you need to look deeper. She fits in the mythology but some people are so ***Mod edited*** that they'll never see her purpose.

Kate is better than Juliet.

If Kate dies, I'm done with this show.:mad:

Not biased, are we? I halfway took this comment seriously until I look at your sig. It's not like I just insulted your mother...just an awful fictional character. Next...

Kate is not an awful character.:mad:

She is a complex and original character. I have stuck with her since the midway point in season one.

I'm just mad at this love triangle when one man is the right one and the other is a dirty thug.

Kate Austen will factor in the endgame for Season 6.

juliet is an other\drank the kool aid, so that makes her better than kate at this point

plus the fact kate is pregnant and has to give birth to sawyer

plus the fact kate is pregnant and has to give birth to sawyer

That is not a fact. If it was, you would have evidence.

It sounds more like a theory and Juliet is just annoying.:rolleyes:

Alright, this thread should be closed and I wish I had not found it.

Kate has a purpose but you need to look deeper. She fits in the mythology but some people are so ***Mod edited*** that they'll never see her purpose.

Kate is better than Juliet.

If Kate dies, I'm done with this show.:mad:

Adam, this thread is not for comparing/contrasting Kate and Juliet. ***Mod edited to remove reply to edited part of post***
So to continue your line of discussion...how do you think Kate fits in the mythology? Specifically?

Personally I think her new agenda on the Island will be to locate Claire and see her reunited with Aaron. Kate's character has been severely damaged by the love triangle. I don't think there's any arguing that fact. It's made her look fickle at times, completely vapid at others, and a cold hearted :censored: at still others.

But that doesn't mean she'll end up being a pointless character. If Aaron is tied to the Island mythology, as I expect he is, then Kate's influence in his life will certainly come into play.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Kate's going to have to be pregnant to have essentially been Claire's fill-in on the flight. Hopefully once we find out that Kate is Jack's baby mama, that will put an end to this nonsense.

Maybe Kate will be the first one to die in pregnancy (hence starting that whole problem)...

Adam, this thread is not for comparing/contrasting Kate and Juliet. ***Mod edited to remove reply to edited part of post***

So to continue your line of discussion...how do you think Kate fits in the mythology? Specifically?

Personally I think her new agenda on the Island will be to locate Claire and see her reunited with Aaron. Kate's character has been severely damaged by the love triangle. I don't think there's any arguing that fact. It's made her look fickle at times, completely vapid at others, and a cold hearted :censored: at still others.

But that doesn't mean she'll end up being a pointless character. If Aaron is tied to the Island mythology, as I expect he is, then Kate's influence in his life will certainly come into play.

You took my thoughts somewhat. I believe that is how Kate fits in aliong with aaron and I want people to see that.

The triangle damaged her but no other character is perfect.

I'm really steamed now.

icekat, if adam says how we think kate works into the island mythology, then it's a spoiler. he's just saying that she has much more of a storyline than what it seems. we can agree that she has been jerked back and forth with the men, making her seem fickle. hopefully that will stop. this is what we think, and there are threads around regarding this stuff:

she is a decendant of the DI. her mother was in the DI and took her away before the purge. we don't figure yet how she is connected to ben, but that he knows kate well. she has been forced back to the island on 815 and again by using aaron. this is what we think. she is a much bigger part of the story than most.

^^^That sounds very plausible and actually intelligent.

You took my thoughts somewhat. I believe that is how Kate fits in aliong with aaron and I want people to see that.

The triangle damaged her but no other character is perfect.

I'm really steamed now.

Over a fictional character...? I recommend deep breaths and a nice hot cup of tea. ;)

Kate was damaged unnecessarily by the triangle...I blame the writers completely for long since wearing out it's welcome. When Kate made her romantic choice in 'I Do', that should have been that. But I suppose they knew that Kate would be getting off the Island while Sawyer stayed behind, and so they had to create that angst leading to their separation. It's a shame...but I don't think it's irreparable.
100%
icekat, if adam says how we think kate works into the island mythology, then it's a spoiler. he's just saying that she has much more of a storyline than what it seems. we can agree that she has been jerked back and forth with the men, making her seem fickle. hopefully that will stop. this is what we think, and there are threads around regarding this stuff:

she is a decendant of the DI. her mother was in the DI and took her away before the purge. we don't figure yet how she is connected to ben, but that he knows kate well. she has been forced back to the island on 815 and again by using aaron. this is what we think. she is a much bigger part of the story than most.

There is no need to spoiler-font any of that, because none of it is based on spoilers. It's just fan speculation. :)

Over a fictional character...? I recommend deep breaths and a nice hot cup of tea. ;)


If Kate dies because of all this fan hate posting, I'm going to lose it.

I'm sure this thread will go downhill fast... but I guess I'll take my chances and add my 2 cents. As of this moment I would have absolutely no problem if they killed off Kate. As others have mentioned the writers have used her as nothing more than a triangle ping pong ball since midway thru the 1st Season and she (currently) has no real importance other than to annoy.

Hopefully the whole triangle crap is over and she can go back to being developed as an individual and tie into the rest of the Mythology... hopefully...

Ps. I miss Season 1 Kate. If she comes back, good... if it's more of the same old, same old, just kill her off for all I care.

I think Kate is in some major need of redemption. Sawyer has been redeemed, IMO. Jack has grown tremendously, I think, because his ego took a huge hit and I think we will see a more humble Jack in the future. Juliet certainly feels she has been redeemed by her ability to deliver a live, healthy child on the island. I think we could go on with many of the characters, including several that are dead now, having been redeemed in some way. I just don't feel that this has happened with Kate yet.

I certainly hope something happens to change her, and it probably will have something to do with Aaron, and maybe Claire. Because until that happens, yeah, she's not so interesting.

Alright, this thread should be closed and I wish I had not found it.

Kate has a purpose but you need to look deeper. She fits in the mythology but some people are so ***Mod edited*** that they'll never see her purpose.

Kate is better than Juliet.

If Kate dies, I'm done with this show.

That is not a fact. If it was, you would have evidence.

It sounds more like a theory and Juliet is just annoying.:rolleyes:

Um... okay... first of all, adding in random Juliet-bashing comments when nothing about the thread has anything to do with her is really quite pointless. Why did you need to bring this "Juliet is annoying" stuff up, exactly, and state it like your opinion is a fact?

The reason your comments don't really go over well with others is that you just drop in, list a bunch of (always the same) random statements amounting to "Kate is awesome" "Juliet sucks" etc. This adds nothing to the discussion. It also makes your position look bad when you try to make your point by insulting the other posters, calling those who don't share your opinions "ignorant." If you think Kate has importance outside of the triangle, please tell us your theory about how she will be important. I'd like for her to be important. But some of us think that she is being wasted and doing nothing useful at the moment and we are fully allowed to discuss why we feel this way. Instead of getting angry at the opinions, why not try to counter them? The posters here have given thoughtful posts on why they think Kate is not being written well.. why not give a thoughtful post (sans the anger/ insulting comments) about why you feel she IS being written well. And if you think Juliet is annoying... please see the "just not that into you" section and vent there.

I don't want to miss a thread I can rant about Kate negatively. Do we have to wait 6 seasons to see that Kate has really something important part in the show? No ending for Kate would make me feel that watching all her story was worth it. Kate could the constant of the Island or she could be the key to everything, it just doesn't justify the character for me. Unfortunately the show is stuck with Kate as the female lead. What's the first she does when she comes back? Playing the triangle/square chick create jealousy/insecurity/romance for the hot guys. And Kate episodes are always a letdown. She even devalues Juliet.

As far as I'm concerned, when Juliet came in, the need for kate just went out the window. I hope sawyer stays over her.

Kate has been completly useless for quite awhile. Just because she can hold a gun and talk with alot of emotion doesn't make her important at all. Time and time again she has been a self centered person, not caring about how she affects anyone else, and feeling that it's perfectly fine to walk on everyone else just to get what she wants. I always find it funny when people bash sawyer for his life as a conman. Guess what? Kate is worse than he ever was, both before the island, when she was conning people for YEARS and on the island when she still chose to do it to get her way. And sawyer at least showed in the past and definitly in the present guilt over the way he lived, kate has never felt an ounce of guilty over using either her femanine wiles or her manipulative mind to get what she wants. She hasn't done a single thing to redeam herself in my eyes, and just shoving a baby in her arms doesn't make her a good person.

I'm glad sawyer is happy with Juliet, someone who I might add, is actually useful, tough, smart, and thinks about others despite whatever is happening to her. Let's face it, Juliet was in a craphole situation and she still tried to do the right thing. Kate is only out for herself and whatever is on her agenda. I don't see how people can look to her as used to be quoted "a strong femenist character" because if that's what femenism is supporting these days...just how to take advantage of men and get what you want, then we're up the creek without a paddel for a long time.

And sawyer at least showed in the past and definitly in the present guilt over the way he lived, kate has never felt an ounce of guilty over using either her femanine wiles or her manipulative mind to get what she wants.

I think the single biggest mis-step that was taken in Kate's writing was not doing what you've just said- showing some genuine guilt and culpability for her past actions. Kate. Murdered. Someone. I do believe, like Sawyer, that she is a good person fundamentally who has just made some serious mistakes. However, unlike Sawyer, she hasn't really had any redemption or even seemed to feel the need for any. We did at least see her guilt over the accidental killing of her childhood friend, but what about the murder? This is not something a good person does without some serious mental anguish, despite how bad of a man he was. The show has always written her like her actions were almost... justified.

Which leads me to another thing I always really wanted to see- some justification for the murder. I wanted a Kate FB that dealt not (majorly redundantly) with her relationship with her mother, but with her father. I wanted to see just what Wayne did to make Kate loathe him to the point of calculated murder. Was it justified, in a way? Did he drive her to the brink? Did he assault her, physically, sexually, etc, when she was a child? Just saying "he got drunk and beat up my mom" does not give me much idea of how Kate, a supposedly good person, got to the point she did with him insead of trying legal avenues of protecting her mother.

I know Lost has shied away from tackling really tough, controversial issues (like, never even once bringing up abortion for all the dying pregnant women? Please.) but it would have made a really intense, good epiosde and helped us to understand her. I think we will never get anything like this now, with the death of the FB's, but IMO it would be a really interesting part of her to touch on. As would more exploration of the Claire/ Kate/ Aaron relationship. There really are ways they could make Kate interesting, they're just not taking them!

^^^Killing Wayne was justified in my opinion. He was not doing anything useful.

Kate does fell guilty but she is hiding it.

^^^Killing Wayne was justified in my opinion. He was not doing anything useful.

Kate does fell guilty but she is hiding it.

Okay, but WHY do you think it was justified? Him "not being useful" or even him "beating someone up" does not justify murder in my opinion. I stated why I think, based on what we have seen (which wasn't much), it was not. Why do you think it was?

More baseless assumptions based on what you want the character to be and not on how the character has actually been written up to this point...

Refreshing thread! I also vote Kate off the island. I like the actress and think she performs well. But the stuff that is written for her is tedious and she doesn't seem connected to the bigger picture. Other characters can get away with that because they are interesting or humorous in their own right. But she is either nagging people or sulking, crying, getting captured or manipulating people. I guess for some people, they like just having a hot woman around the place. To me, that is not an excuse to make her so boring. Shanon was a fun character because she was so outrageously arrogant and self-centered, it was amusing, and she contrasted the more serious characters. Claire was boring, glad she just vanished, although her vanishing act was incredibly poorly written too, and to this day, makes no sense to anybody. But still, if that were to happen to Kate, bonus, because it would at least be interesting in some way.

^^^Killing Wayne was justified in my opinion. He was not doing anything useful.

Kate does fell guilty but she is hiding it.

Bailiff: ALL RISE!

(Judge enters the courtroom)

Judge: Do you have anything to say before I reach my verdict, Ms. Austin?

Kate: I killed him because he wasn't doing anything useful.

Judge: Not Guilty!!!

Refreshing thread! I also vote Kate off the island. I like the actress and think she performs well. But the stuff that is written for her is tedious and she doesn't seem connected to the bigger picture. Other characters can get away with that because they are interesting or humorous in their own right. But she is either nagging people or sulking, crying, getting captured or manipulating people. I guess for some people, they like just having a hot woman around the place. To me, that is not an excuse to make her so boring. Shanon was a fun character because she was so outrageously arrogant and self-centered, it was amusing, and she contrasted the more serious characters. Claire was boring, glad she just vanished, although her vanishing act was incredibly poorly written too, and to this day, makes no sense to anybody. But still, if that were to happen to Kate, bonus, because it would at least be interesting in some way.

Meh, Juliette is more attractive anyways...as was Shannon...

Bailiff: ALL RISE!

(Judge enters the courtroom)

Judge: Do you have anything to say before I reach my verdict, Ms. Austin?

Kate: I killed him because he wasn't doing anything useful.

Judge: Not Guilty!!!

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: Now THAT would have been a farce of a trial I could enjoy!

Meh, Juliette is more attractive anyways...as was Shannon...
I agree. Juliette gives me naughty wrong feelings.

icekat, if adam says how we think kate works into the island mythology, then it's a spoiler. he's just saying that she has much more of a storyline than what it seems. we can agree that she has been jerked back and forth with the men, making her seem fickle. hopefully that will stop. this is what we think, and there are threads around regarding this stuff:

she is a decendant of the DI. her mother was in the DI and took her away before the purge. we don't figure yet how she is connected to ben, but that he knows kate well. she has been forced back to the island on 815 and again by using aaron. this is what we think. she is a much bigger part of the story than most.


Oh how I hope you are completely wrong.

icekat, if adam says how we think kate works into the island mythology, then it's a spoiler.

Is your idea based on spoiler information? Cause if not, its just a theory and you can definitely talk about it without spoiler font.

Oh how I hope you are completely wrong.

you may wonder right now, but if you check out the kate and ben coincidences in the theories board, you may change your mind. for one example, in the hatch in The Hunting Party, there is a strange-looking box sitting on the coffee table between charlie and hurley. the camera is set on charlie and the box is set to the left of hurley's foot. the very same type of box is also on the shelf in kate's mother's home in What Kate Did. she is bringing wayne into the house and the camera is in another room following them through the living room. there is a very quick shot of a shelf in the room with the box on the left side of the shelf. i never saw it until it was pointed out to me. i had to slow motion the dvd to see the box, but it is the very same type of box. charlotte's mom also wanted nothing to do with the island and wouldn't answer questions charlotte had for her. a lot of the conversations between ben and kate are very strained like there is something unknown between them.

what would be so wrong with kate's character having some substance other than the stupid triangles. more mythology, more island mysteries, more interesting.

just theories someone has brought to our attention and with the posts, new ones have cropped up. check it out if you want. why did kate find it so hard to tell that guy in the DI what her name was. it was almost like she was going with one of her aliases like she was afraid someone might know who she is.

Well, we're running out of time for Kate to be a differance maker. IMO, TPTB enjoy having her around for the sporadic bikini shot and spoon licking, but that's me.

At this point, Kate is a lost cause. (pun intended)
Her character has been so completely worthless (and hated) over the last two seasons, that to link her to some sort of island backstory at this point would be a waste. She has been nothing but a vehicle for the love triangle for years now. Don't try to make her important now. She won't come back into favor with the bulk of the audience, no matter what happened to her in her childhood.

Seriously, if her only purpose is going to be to bounce from Jack back to Sawyer again, please just kill her off now. I don't really give a crap about the relationships on the show (one of the weakest parts of the show, IMO), but Sawyer and Juliet was actually believable and real. Kate is a dull and uninteresting character, while Juliet is very dynamic and is a natural beauty.

My god, if I have to hear the term "Skate" one more friggin' time...

I like Juliet...but Kate is going to tie in with the mythology...in a very major way.

lol I'm not a Kate fan at all but I think she does have a purpose or why would the island knock her back to 77 and keep her with Sun? There's more to it, and I'm sure we'll find out.. They wouldn't just keep her on the show to bounce back and forth to Sawyer and Jack besides Sawyer is spoken for. I think there is more to sneaky Kate than meets the eye and I'm sure we will fnd out what... I am in agreement with Lady that Kate works for Ben...

Me? :D!

I would love if you guys came and gave input on the thread in my signature, regarding that..

Adam, this thread is not for comparing/contrasting Kate and Juliet. ***Mod edited to remove reply to edited part of post***
So to continue your line of discussion...how do you think Kate fits in the mythology? Specifically?

Personally I think her new agenda on the Island will be to locate Claire and see her reunited with Aaron. Kate's character has been severely damaged by the love triangle. I don't think there's any arguing that fact. It's made her look fickle at times, completely vapid at others, and a cold hearted :censored: at still others.

But that doesn't mean she'll end up being a pointless character. If Aaron is tied to the Island mythology, as I expect he is, then Kate's influence in his life will certainly come into play.

I think the triangle was written to purposely distract everyone from what is really going on with this woman. Obviously it's working :D With the time travel, her character will become clearer into something that's been in front of our eyes all along...

She's (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109495) going to be the one that influences Ben ...in all of these ways that we've already seen.

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I like Kate. There are others that do. There are others that don't. You don't see her purpose? Too bad. Maybe next time.

I actually thought that that was what the "Just not that into you" section was for but ce la vie. :rolleyes: Welcome to the 'Lage gocp!

Kate is Eve and Jack is Adam (remember - the skeletons from season 1). Kate is there to die as a martyr along with Jack. That is her purpose - to sacrifice her worthless empty life so that others may live. :rip:

Kate is Eve and Jack is Adam (remember - the skeletons from season 1). Kate is there to die as a martyr along with Jack. That is her purpose - to sacrifice her worthless empty life so that others may live. :rip:

that's pretty harsh. say why she doesn't have purpose on the show. don't give your worthless empty remarks about her character

I think the single biggest mis-step that was taken in Kate's writing was not doing what you've just said- showing some genuine guilt and culpability for her past actions. Kate. Murdered. Someone. I do believe, like Sawyer, that she is a good person fundamentally who has just made some serious mistakes. However, unlike Sawyer, she hasn't really had any redemption or even seemed to feel the need for any. We did at least see her guilt over the accidental killing of her childhood friend, but what about the murder? This is not something a good person does without some serious mental anguish, despite how bad of a man he was. The show has always written her like her actions were almost... justified.

Which leads me to another thing I always really wanted to see- some justification for the murder. I wanted a Kate FB that dealt not (majorly redundantly) with her relationship with her mother, but with her father. I wanted to see just what Wayne did to make Kate loathe him to the point of calculated murder. Was it justified, in a way? Did he drive her to the brink? Did he assault her, physically, sexually, etc, when she was a child? Just saying "he got drunk and beat up my mom" does not give me much idea of how Kate, a supposedly good person, got to the point she did with him insead of trying legal avenues of protecting her mother.

I'm pretty certain the epi "What Kate Did" told us why she killed Wayne. The impression I got, other than physically abusing her mother, he sexually abused her. There was, what seemed to me, a scene that showed an inappropriate late night visit from Wayne that bordered on sexual. I haven't seen that episode in a while so I could be wrong in my recollection.

As far as her showing remorse, I don't think she's shown any remorse because she hasn't come to terms with what she's done. Not all people are self-analyzing, not all people get over events in their lives and become better people because of it. They just move on, run away, whatever euphemism you want to use for being in denial. From what we've been shown, to this day, Kate thinks she did the right thing when she killed Wayne. That doesn't make her a despicable character, that makes her human. Just because this is a fictional show, doesn't mean the character arcs all need to be resolved so neatly.

One of the things I like most about Kate's character is that she is so friggin' flawed. She's a survivor and how she survives is interesting because it is so flawed. Could they give her a bit more depth than her bikini wearing, spoon-licking of the last couple of seasons? Heck yeah but I don't think we've even scratched the surface of Kate's character or her importance to the Island.

No matter which 'ship you root for, keep in mind Kate uses people. Also keep in mind her character hasn't grown that much from the beginning. So the real question is, who has she used and why and what is the outcome of her using those people for her and all the others. I think in the end, Kate ends up being one of the "bad guys" and that is why her character has been written so when that's revealed it won't hurt as much as say, Jack or Sawyer turning out to be a bad guy.

*Steps down from soap-box, pushes it back under coffee table and steps away*

she's just the soup du jour of the moment.

that's pretty harsh. say why she doesn't have purpose on the show. don't give your worthless empty remarks about her character

Errrr.... she IS a character. And the character's life is fairly worthless as a former murderer/fugitive and empty without Sawyer or Jack or Aaron. The writers have not been discrete in portraying her life as rather desolate. Her character tends to find more meaning on the island saving others. Hence, she will find meaning as a martyr.

don't you think that several characters on the show are in the same place as her. sayid, sawyer and sun were all murderers whether purposefully or inadvertantly. they all are flawed. what makes her more so than them. sawyer actually killed the wrong man. kate didn't. she knew exactly who she was killing and so not sorry for it. has she killed anyone on the island? sawyer point blank murdered tom "because i didn't believe him". michael shot two of his friends out of desperation/accident to get his son back. jack would have killed locke if the gun would have gone off in his face. i don't think that kate is any worse off than the other survivors. we think that sawyer is redeemed, but let's wait and see. we think that juliet is not an other any longer, but let's wait and see. kate is sitting around pining for sawyer, but let's wait and see. i think that the writers have taken a vacation lately and they're back and ready to give us a story. i'd love to have kate back kicking some butt. i always thought jj's female characters would mirror the sydney bristow of alias. someone needs to go back to the beginning. the triangle is really past it's fun.

I think Kate needs a date with Smokie. Put an end to her distraction of a storyline. I suspect the writers have something else for her in the future, but I hope the love quad is put to rest.

I do like that Juliet put her in the Motor Pool so that she can keep an eye on her. Maybe a Dharma van will fall on her at work, Wizard of Oz style, like Dorothy's house on the Wicked Witch of the East. Would that mean that Juliet is Dorothy? Ok, so maybe that's a stretch, but I wouldn't complain to see Kate off.

Kate has a purpose... Tart

I'd prefer Kate if she was killing more people. The fact that she blew someone up is one of the best things about her in my opinion.

Why don't you all go to the "I'm not that into you" section for Kate and stay there?

I want this forum to be peaceful and I cannot have that without threads like these.

Why don't you all go to the "I'm not that into you" section for Kate and stay there?

I want this forum to be peaceful and I cannot have that without threads like these.Then I'm assuming that you'll never badmouth Sawyer or Juliet here, but will instead write all those negative comments in the "I'm not that into you" section as well. Is that right?

^^^Only if fellow posters would do the same thing too.

Alright? It has been a rough week for me.

^^^Only if fellow posters would do the same thing too.

Alright? It has been a rough week for me.We can't control all the other posters. Only ourselves. I don't like Kate, but I see that she is very important to you. Therefore I will refrain from saying hateful things about her. I may criticize her actions, but I won't make general "hate" statements about her. Will you be willing to do that for me? Not make general hate statements about Juliet and Sawyer? Hopefully other people will follow your lead. But we can't control them.

I understand about hard weeks. Believe me. But we can't use the forums to vent that steam. Well, okay I guess we can! I should say that we shouldn't do that. Agreed?

^^^Only if fellow posters would do the same thing too.

Alright? It has been a rough week for me.

No offense, but it's pretty dumb to take negative things that people say about a TV CHARACTER on a show we all like so darn seriously. For instance, I think Locke is where it's at, but I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if someone rips him. Get over it already. No one is asking you to read this thread.

I'd prefer Kate if she was killing more people. The fact that she blew someone up is one of the best things about her in my opinion.

i second that!;)

Kate is not an awful character.:mad:

She is a complex and original character. I have stuck with her since the midway point in season one.

I'm just mad at this love triangle when one man is the right one and the other is a dirty thug.

Kate Austen will factor in the endgame for Season 6.
In a Coffin :biggrin:

In a Coffin :biggrin:

...or a cave. We can only hope.

Stay out of this thread if you don't want to read what people have to say. You can't make everyone share your opinion or demand that they don't express it just because for some strange scary reason it upsets you so much. Dude, it's not that serious.

Kate has been the weakest link on this show since day one. Her gratuitous towel and underwear scenes are insipid. She drags the show down whenever she's on screen and the banal love triangle has ruined Sawyer and Jack also.

I wish they'd added a strong female lead. Juliette's okay, but she doesn't get much love from the writers either.

I'm pretty certain the epi "What Kate Did" told us why she killed Wayne. The impression I got, other than physically abusing her mother, he sexually abused her. There was, what seemed to me, a scene that showed an inappropriate late night visit from Wayne that bordered on sexual. I haven't seen that episode in a while so I could be wrong in my recollection.

I think it was lightly implied that he may have. But we can't be certain. Men make lewd comments to women when they're drunk, so it doesn't confirm anything (for me), it just raises suspicion- I thought they'd follow up on it later, but they never did.

I guess I just always thought the writers started out wanting to give Kate this darkness, this edge... only they never had the guts to really go all the way with it. Wanna make her a bit of an unstable murderer, with a history of abuse and struggle, but on a path to eventual redemption? Awesome! That would be a fantastic and very interesting character to watch. Only they couldn't go through with it. They couldn't "Sawyerize" her at any point in the series and just let her explore the dark, twisted and messed up side that must be lurking somewhere in her... they wouldn't "go there" and dredge up her past and really follow through with what they started in season 1. And I don't think things like her minor breakdowns in "What Kate did" really satisfied this. Yeah, she struggled- and it was a good episode for her- made her quite interesting, but I wanted some brutal backstory to show me where this woman came from and why she was pushed over the edge, and how the fallout affects her.

I wish they'd added a strong female lead. Juliette's okay, but she doesn't get much love from the writers either.

I've kind of lost faith in the writer's ability to write a good/ strong/ believable female character at all in this series. Penny is probably the best one they've got going at the moment, IMO. Juliet's okay as well, but incorporating her into the soap-romance stuff is not doing her any favors.

Stay out of this thread if you don't want to read what people have to say. You can't make everyone share your opinion or demand that they don't express it just because for some strange scary reason it upsets you so much. Dude, it's not that serious.

that's funny coming from you, dear. it's not that serious when it comes to him defending kate, but it's so totally serious when you're defending skate. i've seen your posts and i've posted my own about jate. we all have our serious defense going with who we love. don't patronize what he's feeling about how some are bashing the character when you get hot when we bash skate. it all goes hand it hand.

whether you feel he's going overboard or not.

More Kate hate...that never gets tired :rolleyes: I mean I completely understand it with the hatchet job Darlton have done on this character but kinda think it's almost just the vogue thing to do now Anyway, I think by season's end people are gonna think much differently about Kate. I think, to some extent, the love triangle has been a diversion when it comes to this character and that Darlton are really gonna drop something on us that's totally like WOW didn't see that coming. Just a hunch...I'd suggest that people give it a little while before writing Kate off, there's more going on there then meets the eye.

freighter, i totally agree with your post.

when kate gets her storyline of all storylines going and the haters say, oh she's awesome, she's kicking some arse, we will remember every horrible thing they said and silently laugh!:hug:

Isn't there a "just not that into you thread" for this?

Seriously, if her only purpose is going to be to bounce from Jack back to Sawyer again, please just kill her off now. I don't really give a crap about the relationships on the show (one of the weakest parts of the show, IMO), but Sawyer and Juliet was actually believable and real. Kate is a dull and uninteresting character, while Juliet is very dynamic and is a natural beauty.

My god, if I have to hear the term "Skate" one more friggin' time...


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LOL, dude, seriously, could you have picked a more controversial and hot button topic?!?!

I have to agree though, I'm tired of Kate and her role in the show right now. It seems like she's only used to create animosty and questions about the relationships in the show. I wish Jack and Sawyer would just wake up and look at what she's become, and just get over her. She's definitely not the Kate from S1 and S2, and that's too bad, because I liked that Kate. I hope they stop messing around with her character and she returns to the Kate of old.

If she doesn't, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Kate in the pit.

freighter, i totally agree with your post.

when kate gets her storyline of all storylines going and the haters say, oh she's awesome, she's kicking some arse, we will remember every horrible thing they said and silently laugh!:hug:

Haha, like I'm supposed to feel some sort of remorse if this were to happen? Tying her into the storyline at the last minute doesn't redeem the 4+ seasons of pointlessness we've had to put up with IMO.

Haha, like I'm supposed to feel some sort of remorse if this were to happen? Tying her into the storyline at the last minute doesn't redeem the 4+ seasons of pointlessness we've had to put up with IMO.

Maybe the 4 + years aren't going to be as pointless as you believe...maybe you will have just missed the point along with most others because the writers had you distracted with the triangle stuff and you bit. LadyBird Kate has some interesting theories about Kate and her tie in to Ben, you might want to check those out. At any rate I think there is something there that we've been missing going back to at least season 3 if not before then...maybe as ealy as Kate wandering out of the jungle when 815 crashed.

that's funny coming from you, dear. it's not that serious when it comes to him defending kate, but it's so totally serious when you're defending skate. i've seen your posts and i've posted my own about jate. we all have our serious defense going with who we love. don't patronize what he's feeling about how some are bashing the character when you get hot when we bash skate. it all goes hand it hand.

whether you feel he's going overboard or not.

When I discuss skate i'd like to think i'm very civil and actually enjoy the conversations that take place otherwise i'd stay away from the threads. I don't recall a time when i've insulted you or told you that you can't tell me what you think. But apparently you feel I have since you're condecendingly calling me "dear" and insinuating otherwise.

I've never gone around here telling people i'm going to go crazy and "lose it" because their opinion is different from mine. Much less demand that the discussion of the thread be stopped just because I don't like it.

Kate has been pointless and annoying for a while... largely due to the writer's decision to have her main storyline be an irritating love-quad.

However, I remember back in season 1 I really used to like her. Essentially, they need to drop the tiresome romance plots and give Kate a real storyline- something totally divorced from the Jack/ Sawyer love-angst nonsense. Perhaps more with Claire and Aaron. She also needs some character development outside of her romantic relationships. I'd like to see her interact with other characters (for example, the Kate/ Sayid friendship from season 1 was pretty cool.)
I have to agree with you there. I liked Kate in season one she was tough, cool, independent, dangerous, take charge and mysterious. Now her only function is to serve as a love interest and bounce between Jack and Sawyer in the most contrived poorly written love triangle on the show.And she has become grating and annoying. I'm a fan of both the mythology and the relationships, because without compelling characters the mythology is pointless. The relationships on the show I've been most interested in Sun/Jin, Claire/Charlie, Rose/Bernard and now Sawyer/Juliet have been realistic. I really wish they would give Kate some time to develop independent of a man. Because the way it stands now, both Jack and Sawyer could do better than Kate. Well, Sawyer already has.

Yeah, LadyBird Kate kind of got me excited about what may be in store for Kate by bringing up an oldy moldy.

From Lostpedia synopsis of Season 2's What Kate Did:

At the Hatch, Kate plays a record of "After Midnight" by Patsy Cline and tells the sleeping Sawyer that she thinks she saw a horse outside. [An unconscious and ill] Sawyer begins to mumble, and as she leans in to hear better, he grabs her by the neck and Sawyer says, "You killed me. Why did you kill me?"

Eh? Eh? How's that for some potential quadrangle redemption, you Doubting Thomases?

And yes, yes. In the episode itself, it's taken as her father speaking through Sawyer. But still...

As other posters in this thread have pointed out within their complaints, there was quite a lot of effort made in the earlier seasons to paint her as a complex character. I'm just saying, as cloying as the skate/jate stuff has been for a lot of us (I'm totally not a fan), I agree with Freighter and LadyBird Kate that there still may be some bigger character arc stuff left for her.

If Kate dies because of all this fan hate posting, I'm going to lose it.

I demand a video journal of this monumental event.
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I think the single biggest mis-step that was taken in Kate's writing was not doing what you've just said- showing some genuine guilt and culpability for her past actions. Kate. Murdered. Someone. I do believe, like Sawyer, that she is a good person fundamentally who has just made some serious mistakes. However, unlike Sawyer, she hasn't really had any redemption or even seemed to feel the need for any. We did at least see her guilt over the accidental killing of her childhood friend, but what about the murder? This is not something a good person does without some serious mental anguish, despite how bad of a man he was. The show has always written her like her actions were almost... justified.

See...all the statements above are exactly why I think Kate will prove to be an enemy to the losties at some point. She's a dark person, she's NOT a good person, evidenced by her actions and her lack of guilt. And if she's truly going to be a problematic agent against our protagonists, they can't really reveal that until the end. So what do we see...we see someone that initially seems like a good person, but then we continue to see her enough that we see through her con-girl veneer and see that she truly is a person out for herself and only herself, and will use anyone to that end. I wouldn't be surprised if Malkin saw a little of Kate when he freaked out during Claire's reading.
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^^^Killing Wayne was justified in my opinion. He was not doing anything useful.

What a levelheaded and righteous argument for the murder of another human being! I like yer mental stability big dog.
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that's funny coming from you, dear. it's not that serious when it comes to him defending kate, but it's so totally serious when you're defending skate. i've seen your posts and i've posted my own about jate. we all have our serious defense going with who we love. don't patronize what he's feeling about how some are bashing the character when you get hot when we bash skate. it all goes hand it hand.

whether you feel he's going overboard or not.


Annnnnnnd here's where the shipper wars spill over into the general threads.
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freighter, i totally agree with your post.

when kate gets her storyline of all storylines going and the haters say, oh she's awesome, she's kicking some arse, we will remember every horrible thing they said and silently laugh!:hug:

I'm laughing now..but it's not that silent.

Oh, gosh. Poor Kate, give her some rest! Whatever she does, there's someone criticizing her. She's a woman. She's not supposed to be kicking ***** every day! She just lost Aaron and we still don't know why and how. Give her some trust.
My bet she still has a purpose. Of course she has. She always has. Go Kate! And silence everyone!

Well, "thinking that you are being civil" and actually being civil are two different things with some posters around here who most certainly DO KNOW the difference!

As far as Kate, she's a mess right now because of Aaron and being back on the island, where she NEVER wanted to go back to in the first place. So give her a minute to breathe for God's sake. And I don't think she's been a complete waste for 4+ years on this show. She's been awesome a lot of times, and saved some butts in the process. I think just about everyone is tired of seeing her being used as the island's recreational ping-pong ball, but she put herself in THAT situation and she has also taken herself out for the most part. So right now it may seem as if she doesn't have much of a purpose.

I would also recommend checking out LadyBirdKate's thoughts on the Kate/Ben parallels and what Kate just might do that will surprise the crap out of alot of people if it actually happens! Talking about putting something "to rest" once and for all! Here's hoping!!

Naw I'm sort of bored of the whole love thing. The only way it would get my attention is if Hurley and Kate shack up or something. I wish they would just trash the whole thing and get back to creepy smoke monsters and dead people walking.


Oh and Adam you really need some help man. Go get it before you hurt yourself. :rolleyes:

Oh and TEAM JULIET!!! :p

The relationships on the show would be more interesting if they weren't handled like the people involved were in middle school. And as far as Kate goes:

there's a rumor going around that someone on the show (not your usual redshirt sacrifice) is going to die by the end of the season, and I'm really hoping it's her so we can get past the after-school special drama

A while a go somebody started a thread about Juliet being useless, and now all of a sudden those haters has changed their minds. (Which I am glad about.:biggrin:) There was another Claire bashing one, untill she ended up in the cabin. So now you are bashing Kate. I wonder for how long?
:thumbsup: LBK 's theories about Kate is very interesting. I trust in TPTB, they wouldnt make the main actress useless, there is a lot more to her story.

when kate gets her storyline of all storylines going and the haters say, oh she's awesome, she's kicking some arse, we will remember every horrible thing they said and silently laugh!

But, this is what we want! It would make us happy (well, it would make me happy anyway). This isn't like a shipper thing where the kate haters are actually invested in hating Kate- I think most of us would love it if the writers were to somehow turn it all around and make her really interesting and likable (whether or not people think that's possible at this point is another matter).

I've never gone around here telling people i'm going to go crazy and "lose it" because their opinion is different from mine. Much less demand that the discussion of the thread be stopped just because I don't like it.

Agreed, the comparison was not called for and no one's level of shipper investment (that I've ever seen) is in the same sort of ballpark.

Adam, I do genuinely worry about you- the amount you get angry and riled up all the time about everything to do with Kate, and the comments you make sometimes are sort of concerning. Just.. chill, man, and get a little perspective on the whole thing. If you want to debate us, that would be great! But if you're just going to read the thread and get upset to this extent, probably best to just not read the thread.

oh kate, i don't know. i really know people who hate her so much and they don't care what would change, they will not look past it. maybe it's the way she looks or acts, i don't know. i know that i couldn't stand sawyer, never thought i would. but it wasn't because i didn't like to dislike him. i eventually came around and like him now. i've seen people high five in excitement that they share in the hate of kate.

i have the hope though! i would be so tickled if people could see her in a different light like i've seen sawyer. it's all up to the writers!;)

...and now that you all are totally off topic and mutually bashing each other. thread closed.

ETA: let me rephrase that. some of you are off topic.

Why don't you all go to the "I'm not that into you" section for Kate and stay there?

I want this forum to be peaceful and I cannot have that without threads like these.
I know this thread is already closed but this needs addressing. Not liking a character is totally allowed outside of the not into you boards. It is ok to have threads about liking a character outside of the similar boards and it is just as ok to have threads that don't like a character. The ONLY difference is the not into you boards do not allow any posts liking the character just as the boards that like the characters don't allow any hate posts. In the general sections each point of view is valid and it isn't for you to decide that those that don't agree with your assessment of a character need to go else where. Why don't you just go into the love them boards and stay there if you don't want to read anything negative about Kate?

As for your second line... you are overstepping with that one. It is not for you to decide what is and is not allowed on this site. Please remember that when trying to impose your view on others.