Bullet proof vest? Or is the island not done with him?

You would have to put a bullet through my heart or head to stop me protecting my family. If anything all Ben has done is ensure Desmond hunts him to guarantee the safety of Penny and Charlie.

Cause he's awesome.

Bullet proof vest? Or is the island not done with him?

It's more like bulletproof groceries. :biggrin:

I think it's the old "the island has work for you" thing.

Cause he's awesome.

Yes!
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It looked like more of a shoulder shot to me.

It looked to me like Ben hit Des in his right shoulder. He went back and to the left. (And now I just quoted the movie JFK). It probably took Des out briefly, but not enough to stop a man from defending his family.

On a related note: Do you think Ben heard that the boy's name was Charlie, and immediatly thought of Widmore? Maybe that's why he hesitated when offing Penny.

A guess . . .

'cause Desmond is "good"


while


Ben the blackheart is evil evil evil!!! No guiding principles or moral code at all. Bad bad bad ben.

Hee, nice conspiracy theory movie reference, Screaming Viking.

My interpretation on the scene was Ben didn't know that Penny was a mother. He thought he was just killing some guy's daughter. Ben has a weakness for both mothers and little kids. It caused him to hesitate enough for Desmond to be all awesome.

Everyone watch the scene again, Des doesn't actually get hit with the bullet.

Ben shot Des through his grocery bag.

Obviously there was something in the bag that shielded Des.

Looked kind of like it hit a carton of milk to me...

The real question on my mind from this scene was:
So what... after tossing Ben in the water, Des just leaves him there to float? At which point Ben gets up, squeezes out his clothing and dances on over to the airport?
Kind of odd...

The bullet probably hit Des on his right shoulder. Hardly a deadly wound. Plus, if I loved a girl like Des loved Penny, it would take a thousand bullets to stop me.

Ben has a soft spot for kids. It was the overall theme for this episode (juxtaposed with his rivalry with Widmore). There was a reason why they put the abduction of Alex in this episode. We see that it wasn't Ben's decision to take the kid, it was more of a prisoner of happenstance. Ben was sent there to kill Rousseau, but ended up being a father (due to his compassion). Ben lets Penny live because he sees that he's a mother (having a soft spot for mother's..again. Maybe because he was raised motherless). And finally, all that reflects on his inability to save his child due to his own selfishness. He let his daughter die because of his devotion to the island and that is something he struggles with.

It looked to me like Ben hit Des in his right shoulder. He went back and to the left. (And now I just quoted the movie JFK). It probably took Des out briefly, but not enough to stop a man from defending his family.

On a related note: Do you think Ben heard that the boy's name was Charlie, and immediatly thought of Widmore? Maybe that's why he hesitated when offing Penny.

Definitely did not hit his shoulder. Hit the grocery bag (probably a can inside), but the force of the shot sent him back.

And I think the idea of a boy losing his mother is what stopped Ben from killing Penny. That's something that hits too close to home.

And, I have to ask (hoping no one else has yet) -- And this is only because of your name -- Do you want your cucumber slightly bruised?

Bc he had a dream brotha. And in that dream, he knew he would have to be carrying a grocery bag full of bricks and dodge slightly back and to the left...

my bigger question is why did he roll ben into the water? and why would widmore not put a tail on them to protect them?

Back.... and through the groceries.

Back.... and through the groceries.

Back.... and through the groceries.

That is one magic loogie.

Ben was a dead-eye on that milk, but if you watch the scene in slo-mo, there is no bullet hole on magical mystery desmond.

It's obvious that Desmond can't die (at least not yet), just as Michael couldn't die. The island required Michael to finish a task, so no matter what he did (driving into a semi, shooting himself) NOTHING WORKED.

The island is not done with Desmond (lucky for him, because he is still alive). Had Ben shot him at point blank, Desmond would not have been killed. There is still much to be answered, and since he and Daniel have a constant/through time relationship; I suspect we will get an answer about Desmond's future/past purpose when we get Daniel's backstory/futurestory.

Probably had a few cans of Spam in the bag.

It's obvious that Desmond can't die (at least not yet), just as Michael couldn't die. The island required Michael to finish a task, so no matter what he did (driving into a semi, shooting himself) NOTHING WORKED.

The island is not done with Desmond (lucky for him, because he is still alive). Had Ben shot him at point blank, Desmond would not have been killed. There is still much to be answered, and since he and Daniel have a constant/through time relationship; I suspect we will get an answer about Desmond's future/past purpose when we get Daniel's backstory/futurestory.

Here's another situation where a character tries killing someone but if they were thinking straight, they would have realized that they couldn't kill that person (Sayid shooting little Ben - Sayid had already met adult Ben therefore little Ben couldn't die). Ben heard Hawking tell Des that the Island wasn't done with him yet, so the Island obviously needs Des alive for something, so Ben should have realized he wouldn't have been able to kill Des.

Or maybe Ben realized he couldn't kill him and only wanted to disable Des long enough to kill Penny.

On a related note: Do you think Ben heard that the boy's name was Charlie, and immediatly thought of Widmore? Maybe that's why he hesitated when offing Penny.

charlie not as in charles widmore.
charlie as OUR charlie who died in last season.

i think des and pen named their child after des friend charlie ...
100%
Everyone watch the scene again, Des doesn't actually get hit with the bullet.

Ben shot Des through his grocery bag.

Obviously there was something in the bag that shielded Des.

Looked kind of like it hit a carton of milk to me...

The real question on my mind from this scene was:
So what... after tossing Ben in the water, Des just leaves him there to float? At which point Ben gets up, squeezes out his clothing and dances on over to the airport?
Kind of odd...


i think that the bullet hit des in a way it didn't kill him and then he injured went on to defend penny ...
will see the end of this scene later on. i'm sure.

Cause he's awesome.


hee! The bag of groceries is a good, realistic reason why Des didn't die, but I dig this reason the most. (Pulp Fiction)

The bullet went through the milk and got him in the shoulder by the looks of it to me. But of course it's because he is awesome!

my guess is a carton of milk then there was a pot roast behind it!!! absorbed the impact lmao.

The real question on my mind from this scene was:
So what... after tossing Ben in the water, Des just leaves him there to float? At which point Ben gets up, squeezes out his clothing and dances on over to the airport?
Kind of odd...

I don't think so... if someone attacked my family and I was able to get the attacker to stop. My next and immediate thought would be to get my family out of there, not take time to close the deal with the attacker. Desmond was more than likely whisking little Charlie and Pen away while Ben was trying to find land.

Probably had a few cans of Spam in the bag.

oddly enough, I had the same thought. :redface:

Probably had a few cans of Spam in the bag.
Can't picture Penelope Widmore dining on Spam. :biggrin: She's probably used to finer cuisine. lol. Little Charlie though, that bag undoubtedly had a few containers of Kraft Mac & Cheese and a box of Lucky Charms or Trix.

Ben shot Des through his grocery bag.

Obviously there was something in the bag that shielded Des.

Looked kind of like it hit a carton of milk to me...


Milk! The saviour of the day! lol. I think Des had Micheal syndrome, where even if he tried to die he couldn't because the island isn't finished with him.

Desmond has a bullet hole in his right shoulder, you can see it when he beats ben with his left fist.

Definitely did not hit his shoulder. Hit the grocery bag (probably a can inside), but the force of the shot sent him back.

And I think the idea of a boy losing his mother is what stopped Ben from killing Penny. That's something that hits too close to home.I saw it as hitting the grocery bag, as well. I figured there must've been something inside the bag that the bullet hit (soup can?) and the force of the impact threw Des back. I said this in a thread somewhere last night after the show

Here's another situation where a character tries killing someone but if they were thinking straight, they would have realized that they couldn't kill that person (Sayid shooting little Ben - Sayid had already met adult Ben therefore little Ben couldn't die). Ben heard Hawking tell Des that the Island wasn't done with him yet, so the Island obviously needs Des alive for something, so Ben should have realized he wouldn't have been able to kill Des.

Or maybe Ben realized he couldn't kill him and only wanted to disable Des long enough to kill Penny.I believe Ben had second thoughts when he saw Charlie. I'm not sure he would have gone through with shooting Penny. Ben has not only lost his own mother, but he took Alex away from Danielle. And we all know how that turned out.

Desmond also took Ben by surprise. He wasn't there to kill Desmond. And since the island isn't done with Desmond yet, he couldn't have anyway.

I have a screen grab of Desmond's wound while beating ben but don't know how to post it

By the way, I don't think Ben ever intended to kill Desmond, just incapacitate him while he killed Penny. Then he saw little Charlie, and the rest was history...

It's more like bulletproof groceries. :biggrin:

thats probably the simplest explanation. the bullet was deflected by something in the bag.

I don't think so... if someone attacked my family and I was able to get the attacker to stop. My next and immediate thought would be to get my family out of there, not take time to close the deal with the attacker. Desmond was more than likely whisking little Charlie and Pen away while Ben was trying to find land.





Desmond probably would have gotten out of there ASAP (if not stopping to make sure the attacker had drowned) but the really, really decent thing to do would be to ascertain that the threat was over and then call 911 (and then beat it). That might be what Penny would have wanted.

Because he caught the bullet with his teeth. :wink1:

He's just awesome like that.

We will see the rest of the scene in a later episode. It will be revealed that the bullet ricocheted off of some canned goods, and also that Ben pulled himself out of the water and killed Penny just as he said he would.

Ben shouldn't have hesitated. But he would have killed Penny if Desmond hadn't tackled him.

I can't help thinking about the theory floated from, "Jughead," that our young Charlie, named for Desmond's dear lost friend, will grow up to become Charles Widmore. Not only can Des not die, but young Charlie must be protected. This would also mean that Ben allowed his compassion to steal from him the opportunity to destroy his arch enemy (tres Lost...)

Also, Des is Awesome.

The real question on my mind from this scene was:
So what... after tossing Ben in the water, Des just leaves him there to float? At which point Ben gets up, squeezes out his clothing and dances on over to the airport?
Kind of odd...

Still don't have an explanation for the sling (how his arm was hurt...) or did I miss something?

I didnt like that scene what so ever. I didnt like it because it was either Des or Pen who was going to die. SO i was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! THey cant die. I want them to be happy and that's it. Des is done with the island.

we had a chuck roast a couple of weeks ago that was so tough I'm sure it would have stopped a bullet :)

There was a can of StarKist Tuna in the bag of groceries.
Charlie was watching out for Desmond.
(Charlie's® only goal in life was to become a StarKist® Tuna)

It's obvious that Desmond can't die (at least not yet), just as Michael couldn't die. The island required Michael to finish a task, so no matter what he did (driving into a semi, shooting himself) NOTHING WORKED.

The island is not done with Desmond (lucky for him, because he is still alive). Had Ben shot him at point blank, Desmond would not have been killed. There is still much to be answered, and since he and Daniel have a constant/through time relationship; I suspect we will get an answer about Desmond's future/past purpose when we get Daniel's backstory/futurestory.

I agree with this and I hope they fully explain it. I for one am kinda pissed at Desmond for deciding to forget everyone still on the island. What about his flashes? The one he had that sent a young man off to his death and didn't even happen the wya Desmond said it would. I know Desmond and Penny are considered to be the greates love on Lost but why should they be the only ones to live a happy life.

I hope Desmond goes back to the island. I really, really do!

The bullet probably hit Des on his right shoulder. Hardly a deadly wound.

Maybe not in the land of fiction, but getting hit in the shoulder in real life can be very quickly fatal. Not only would he be bleeding a lot, he'd have a hard time using that arm for anything even after the bullet was removed.

FWIW Desmond fell back and to his right because the left part of his body hit his car. It's possible the fall did more damage to him than the actual shot which is why he had to stay down.

Anyway, whatever, it's TV.

There was a can of StarKist Tuna in the bag of groceries.
Charlie was watching out for Desmond.
(Charlie's® only goal in life was to become a StarKist® Tuna)

Charlie the tuna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarKist_Tuna)

Aw, you're right...Charlie might be playing guardian angel.

Edit to add: Although I really think the positioning and the milk carton was the real deal.

Edit to add: Although I really think the positioning and the milk carton was the real deal.

Gives a whole new meaning to the slogan: "Got milk?" :D

The island isn't through with Des...he's on a sail boat, and just like the first time that is how he will return to the island, whether he wants to or not. Just like the 06 returned by plane crash, just like the first time.

Ben missed.

Des went backwards and hit his head on the vehicle he was unloading groceries from. He probably lost consciousness for a few seconds.

Like others have said though, I don't think we've seen the end of that whole scene (or at least the end of what happens to Ben before he calls Jack) since he ends up with a bum arm.

-- J

Ben missed.

Des went backwards and hit his head on the vehicle he was unloading groceries from. He probably lost consciousness for a few seconds.

Like others have said though, I don't think we've seen the end of that whole scene (or at least the end of what happens to Ben before he calls Jack) since he ends up with a bum arm.

-- J
When Desmond tackled Ben Ben fell on his left arm and you hear a crack. End of story.

Cause he's awesome.
Good answer. In all seriousness though maybe the bullet hit the groceries or Ben had bad aim. I didn't watch the scene over yet, but it's possible.

Des didn't get hit by the bullet because he's uniquely and miraculously special, something I've thought since I saw him showering in the season 2 opening ep.

I watched an episode of Myth Busters where they set up a shooting someone underwater from the surface thing. At 18" under the surface, a 38 caliber rifle slug stopped completely before it hit the target. Liquid slows it momentum way too much. A handgun bullet going through a gallon of milk might make it all the way through, but probably wouldn't break the skin, much less be lethal at that point.

des didn't get hit by the bullet because he's uniquely and miraculously special, something i've thought since i saw him showering in the season 2 opening ep.

hahhahahahh!

I youtubed a little bit and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yysuyqc07vg. So you can clearly see what's going on. I see nothing striked Des for one because he is awesome and unique and has super powers of which we are still unknown and for the other he has the cooles grocery bag in town :cool:. So let's face it - if you won't have a bullet in your body go to your nearest store but actually this works mostly in English speaking countries coz here in Germany we don't have these brown bags we have other bags which we carry like this: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hannelore-reuen.de/bilder/4..jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hannelore-reuen.de/foto4.htm&usg=__mS2VmseA6wDfhKh8a_5_sHZ0Heo=&h=690&w=460&sz=45&hl=de&start=5&um=1&tbnid=C43Jje8wDLMggM:&tbnh=139&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daldit%25C3%25BCte%26hl%3Dde%26client% 3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D 1

But you know we need more bags and islands and you still have something to do- and less ppl will die. :biggrin::confused:

I think it was the mysterious can of beans from Season 4 that saved his life. Desmond still had the can that they gave him on the freighter. :biggrin: Sorry.....but I truly do think that the groceries took the brunt of the shot.

Desmond did not die because the island wont let him die. Just like Michael in NYC couldnt kill himself. Even Eloise told him that the island isnt done with him yet.

Des didn't get hit by the bullet because he's uniquely and miraculously special, something I've thought since I saw him showering in the season 2 opening ep.

Lol! That's one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. Thanks for the giggle.

It was also interesting to learn about the Mythbusters experiment too. I think I read somewhere that they found that only 4 inches of water reduced the bullet to harmless (good to know, right?). A half gallon milk carton in the US is a standardized size: approximately 4 inches on each side, lending at least a bit of credibility to that theory, at least in my mind, if the info's accurate.

The poster who made the really funny comment about his chuck roast :biggrin: (above somewhere) also had a good point too, I think. It could happen...

All these great theories aside, for the record--I do think he was shot and injured, but I also think the island isn't done with him yet, and he will need to get back to the island in order to miraculously heal...

To quote The ODI's quick summary of the most recent Official ABC Audio and Video Podcast, where they interview Darlton directly:

Desmond will be affected by his wound. His life may be in danger.

ari

I didn't catch a wound to his shoulder, but even if he was grazed or wounded, I think he must have had so much adrenaline going that it wouldn't have kept him down.