There's more to what we saw... All we saw was Desmond punch Ben to a sweet juicy pulp, all in the face no less... Something happens after he emerges from the water that we haven't been shown yet.

I'll bet 3.00 cold hard cash on it.

maybe but it could of happened in the rugby tackle, but yeah could be right

When Desmond tackles Ben to the floor, he falls on his arm and you can hear a crack.

Ben falls on his left arm, his right arm is the one that was injured.

Why do fans over analyze everything ??? :undecide:

Why do the writers and directors keep making these mistakes?

Why do the writers and directors keep making these mistakes?

We all make mistakes, i'm sure you've made them in your life.
Yes it shouldn't happen in a show such as Lost, they do, they apoligise for them( thinking off Charlotte's age recently)
Considering all the mysteries that happen in the show i'm sure that Ben's broken arm doesn't rank up there.
I think i can work out that ben getting involved in a fight with Desomnd was how it broke it.
I'm sure in the ep when he's calling Jack up he's holding his arm like it's broken.i could be mistaken :)

Ben falls on his left arm, his right arm is the one that was injured.
Left. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season5/5x10/our-you442.jpg)

Ben falls on his left arm, his right arm is the one that was injured.

His left arm was the one that was injured and in the sling.

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/299d04c3117d5ae10cc98df2ae6abc12.jpg

There ya go..no mistake, go find another scene to nitpick

Ben falls on his left arm, his right arm is the one that was injured.

No. You are mistaken. Why must we go through this every week?

Left arm busted by Des, left arm in sling on plane, check.
But at one point last night... I think in New Otherton, with Sun... I'm pretty sure Ben put the sling on his *right* arm. I remember thinking how weird it was, his putting it back on. At the time I didn't give a thought to which arm. Anyone else catch it or got a cap? I'm going to rewatch the epi later today, and I can check.

. . . At the time I didn't give a thought to which arm. Anyone else catch it or got a cap? I'm going to rewatch the epi later today, and I can check.

Go with your first impulse and don't give a thought to which arm . . . .

There's more to what we saw... All we saw was Desmond punch Ben to a sweet juicy pulp, all in the face no less... Something happens after he emerges from the water that we haven't been shown yet.

I'll bet 3.00 cold hard cash on it.

I would watch it again and watch how he fell after the punch.

Why do the writers and directors keep making these mistakes?
To err is human.

Why do the writers and directors keep making these mistakes?

Why do people here keep making up mistakes that do not exist?

I hadn't even noticed Ben's arm was injured prior to Locke mentioning it. Weird that they would call it out in the show... so it must mean something.

As far as the writers/producers whoever making mistakes... yeah they are human, and everyone makes mistakes.
But in a show like this, where every little detail is purportedly put in on purpose and they know will be over analyzed by fans, they should definitely fess up to mistakes more often and more openly.
They only admitted to their f-up with Charlotte's age after blatantly misspeaking about it and being caught in their "lie." That was pretty ludicrous if you ask me.

I thought the confrontation with Des was all there was to it. The fact that Ben had already lowered his gun on seeing Charlie meant he wouldn't have gone through with it. Ben isn't the sort to vacillate over something so huge. However, understandably Des was enraged, and beat the snot out of him. Which I would've done too.

My point: I feel Ben sincerely regretted going there to try and kill Penny, and the evidence:

1. His lowering the gun
2. 'Tell Desmond I'm sorry' to Sun
3. Most tellingly, his acceptance to Locke underground that he himself was responsible for Alex's death, which means he would've stopped holding Widmore wholly culpable and so wouldn't gain anything by offing his (estranged) kid.

Hence, the 'going to kill Pen' would be enough for him to apologize for. Nothing more would have needed to occur.

I thought the confrontation with Des was all there was to it. The fact that Ben had already lowered his gun on seeing Charlie meant he wouldn't have gone through with it. Ben isn't the sort to vacillate over something so huge. However, understandably Des was enraged, and beat the snot out of him. Which I would've done too.

My point: I feel Ben sincerely regretted going there to try and kill Penny, and the evidence:

1. His lowering the gun
2. 'Tell Desmond I'm sorry' to Sun
3. Most tellingly, his acceptance to Locke underground that he himself was responsible for Alex's death, which means he would've stopped holding Widmore wholly culpable and so wouldn't gain anything by offing his (estranged) kid.

Hence, the 'going to kill Pen' would be enough for him to apologize for. Nothing more would have needed to occur.
:JC_goodpost: I agree 100%. :JC_goodpost:

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Ben is tackled, he sort of posts his left arm as he falls. We hear a crack.
Ben shot Desmond and pointed a gun at his wife in front of his son!
What else needs to happen?
Desmond's feelings aren't hurt, he's F'N pissed!
As far as Des is concerned, this is a blood feud, no matter how bad Ben feels.

Jeez, can't people admit they're wrong?

But this may raise the question "why didn't Des kill Ben?"
A: Des was more concerned with making sure his family was ok than he was killing Ben. Punching the hell out of him and throwing him off the dock was more than enough.

Plus, I'd guess that provided Des was fine and hadn't been injured by the shot, his top priority would be to get his family the hell out of there. I can't see him wasting too much time there, they would have left pronto.

I could literally feel the rage pulsing off Des, and I was cheering like a nutter!

ETA: thanks, NBC!

I thought the confrontation with Des was all there was to it. The fact that Ben had already lowered his gun on seeing Charlie meant he wouldn't have gone through with it. Ben isn't the sort to vacillate over something so huge. However, understandably Des was enraged, and beat the snot out of him. Which I would've done too.

My point: I feel Ben sincerely regretted going there to try and kill Penny, and the evidence:

1. His lowering the gun
2. 'Tell Desmond I'm sorry' to Sun
3. Most tellingly, his acceptance to Locke underground that he himself was responsible for Alex's death, which means he would've stopped holding Widmore wholly culpable and so wouldn't gain anything by offing his (estranged) kid.

Hence, the 'going to kill Pen' would be enough for him to apologize for. Nothing more would have needed to occur.

I also agree 158%. My point, which I probably didn't spell out clearly, was that everything was wrapped up in a nice little bow. There's no need for any additional scenes. You just said it more succinctly.

I think that there IS more to the scene and here is why.

1. The gun was very pointedly shown falling into the water - in the same spot that Ben fell into a bit later.

2. Ben thought he might die and the last thing he wanted was for Sun to find Desmond and apologize? For what ended up being a non-event?

3. Ben is awesomely evil and indestructible.

4. Desmond needs a reason to sail back to the island.

I think that there IS more to the scene and here is why.

1. The gun was very pointedly shown falling into the water - in the same spot that Ben fell into a bit later.

2. Ben thought he might die and the last thing he wanted was for Sun to find Desmond and apologize? For what ended up being a non-event?

3. Ben is awesomely evil and indestructible.

4. Desmond needs a reason to sail back to the island.
Ben showing up at their boat and attempting to kill Penny is a non-event? :rolleyes:

Penny told Ben that she had no relationship with her father. Widmore probably didn't even know that Penny had a boat and if he did he probably didn't know what the name of the boat was until Ben told him. He is now able to find Penny and Desmond.
Either Desmond goes back and confronts Widmore as to why Ben would be threatening to kill Penny or Widmore finally contacts Desmond and Penny. Either way Widmore finally tells them about his history with the Island and everything he knows about it and Ben.
He probably convinces Desmond that Ben will keep comng back to kill Penny until he succeeds and the only way to keep Penny safe is that either he kills Ben or Desmond kills Ben. Widmore still seems determined to get back to the Island he might think that Desmond is his way to get back to the Island. Widmore convinces Desmond that he needs to go with him because it's his fault that Ben is after Penny.

I also think they have to go by boat to recreate how Desmond arrived on the Island the first time.

Ben showing up at their boat and attempting to kill Penny is a non-event? :rolleyes:

Desmond is not hurt, Penny is not hurt, Charlie is not hurt. Ben got the snot pounded out of him. All the things Ben has done in his life and sorry for this is his dying wish? When it is shown that Ben picked the gun off the bottom of the ocean and killed Penny or the kid, just remember me. ;)

Desmond is not hurt, Penny is not hurt, Charlie is not hurt. Ben got the snot pounded out of him. All the things Ben has done in his life and sorry for this is his dying wish? When it is shown that Ben picked the gun off the bottom of the ocean and killed Penny or the kid, just remember me. ;)

Everything he did was for the island, except that. Revenge wouldn't help the island at all. Also, and it has been stated in this thread, when Des tackles Ben he falls on his left arm and there is a snapping sound. What more does there need to be?

Desmond is not hurt, Penny is not hurt, Charlie is not hurt. Ben got the snot pounded out of him. All the things Ben has done in his life and sorry for this is his dying wish? When it is shown that Ben picked the gun off the bottom of the ocean and killed Penny or the kid, just remember me. ;)

as far as Dezzy and Penny are concerned, the only reason why no one got shot is coz Desmond tackled Ben. We saw the event from Bens Point of View. What Desmond saw, was Ben showed up.....shot Desmond right in the milk.... pulled the gun on Penelope.... was slightly taken aback when he saw Li'l Charlie and was speared by the Time Travelling Scotsman who took advantage of Ben's pause.

btw way.....who thinks that Ben stopped when he saw Charlie coz he realized it was Charles Widmore?

btw way.....who thinks that Ben stopped when he saw Charlie coz he realized it was Charles Widmore?

Yeah, Charles is going to grow up and be a complete dick to his own father in an attempt to, what, not be born in the first place?

Yeah, Charles is going to grow up and be a complete dick to his own father in an attempt to, what, not be born in the first place?

lol....good point ......just getting all the facts:rolleyes:

lol....good point ......just getting all the facts:rolleyes:

Hehe, I just think that theory is ridiculous. Someone posted a thread about it and no way I look at it makes any sense in relation to this show. It worked on Futurama because that is a comedy show and meant to be ridiculous.

Left arm busted by Des, left arm in sling on plane, check.
But at one point last night... I think in New Otherton, with Sun... I'm pretty sure Ben put the sling on his *right* arm. I remember thinking how weird it was, his putting it back on. At the time I didn't give a thought to which arm. Anyone else catch it or got a cap? I'm going to rewatch the epi later today, and I can check.

I thought Ben did a tin man test on his right elbow too, when he and Sun were walking through the jungle. Suppose it don't matter any.

I found it odd though that the majority of bruises on Ben's face are on his right side and we see Desmond punching him repeatedly with his left hand. That little bit is what's keeping the sliver of a possibility open that there might be more between Ben and Penny/Des.


If not, I can still understand Ben's apology. As lame as he is for making one after that fact, I can see his position on it, considering he may enter the smoke hole and never return. Wanted to clear his conscious a bit.

I found it odd though that the majority of bruises on Ben's face are on his right side and we see Desmond punching him repeatedly with his left hand. That little bit is what's keeping the sliver of a possibility open that there might be more between Ben and Penny/Des.


Merch I'm not being mean but if you hit someone with your left hand while you are facing them wouldn't you be hitting their right side?

No offense taken, you're right. I typed it wrong.

I meant Ben's left side. It looked like, imo, he got hit with an iron or something by the size of the bruise they gave him, much more action, make up wise, on that side of his face, than the side we see Desmond punching.

Thanks for catching my flub. Good to know someone is reading these posts :biggrin:

Miscreant and Whatwouldjeffdo, seriously? this is not a playground. such childish bickering does two things. first, it brings you into the sights of the mods. not a good idea. secondly, it gets your posts deleted b/c really, there was no point attempting to edit around such rude nonsense. try to be a bit nicer and less smug the next time you post. thank you.

Sorry about that, halfrek. I was a bit rude. I'll try to avoid that in the future.

No offense taken, you're right. I typed it wrong.

I meant Ben's left side. It looked like, imo, he got hit with an iron or something by the size of the bruise they gave him, much more action, make up wise, on that side of his face, than the side we see Desmond punching.

Thanks for catching my flub. Good to know someone is reading these posts :biggrin:

Merch, it looks like when Desmond tackled Ben, the left side of Ben's head/face hit the concrete walk pretty hard. Maybe that's the reason for the bruises and cuts on the left side.:shrug:

That's probably it.

Ben is dripping wet when he's making that phone call to Jack, probably wasn't time for any further shenanigans.