Was Dan in Ann Arbor?!

How did he get there?!

What was he doing?!

YES!

I guess unlike the others, he actually made his talent clear to Dharma and they sent him off to Ann Arbor to work with the heads of Dharma??

that's so weird. he doesn't seem so crazy now. did he already talk to Charlotte. i bet next week is a Faraday episode.

I'm super confused, because I'm not sure where we left off with Dan.

that's so weird. he doesn't seem so crazy now. did he already talk to Charlotte. i bet next week is a Faraday episode.

unfortunately, it looks like next week will be a clip show
no new episode for 2 weeks :rolleyes:

I'm super confused, because I'm not sure where we left off with Dan.
You aren't the only one who is super confused.:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Didn't Dan die on the island? He remembered being on the island before in this episode, but not when we saw him on the island with the original freighties???????

I feel better. I was all thinking I had missed something while trying to watch and type at the same time!

Last time we saw Dan was in LAFLEUR when the stranders first encountered Dharma. When we jumped forward 3 years, he was no longer part of the group.

I'm guessing he elected to leave the island, perhaps out of pain at seeing the young Charlotte, and he's been working on mainland research ever since. I don't necessarily think he's been Dharma all this time, but he managed to discover something that caused him to enlist his services so he could get back to the island.

Should know for sure in a couple of weeks!

i agree with you...in those three years he elected to leave and do mainlain research after he proved himself to be a man of intelligence, and then weas brought back to continue his off island research. Great call!

Nice to see Farday back alive, and coherent at the same time!

I agree, I think he decided to go back to UM to help DHARMA do research on time travel.

Oh yeah, he was off island doing research... and trying to figure out how to get the left behinders back to 2007/8, whenever they are supposed to be. Perhaps he connects back with his mother, and explains to her what is going on (in 1974-77)? No matter what, I was SOooo glad to see him. Was his last bit of dialogue really "Charlotte?" when he saw the child version of her? That was ages ago!

You aren't the only one who is super confused.:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Didn't Dan die on the island? He remembered being on the island before in this episode, but not when we saw him on the island with the original freighties???????

I've heard a couple of people say that Dan died on the island. I can not remember this at all. Can somebody refresh my memory because its starting to drive me nuts. :redface:

I've heard a couple of people say that Dan died on the island. I can not remember this at all. Can somebody refresh my memory because its starting to drive me nuts. :redface:

I don't remember anyone saying he died. I remember in one of the episodes when the losties came back, someone asking if he was around and Sawyer or Miles or someone said 'not anymore' but that was it.

It's interesting, though, that he is showing up in 1977 Dharma appearing like he did in 2004. I think he must be doing some time traveling himself, rather than the sub.

I'm super confused, because I'm not sure where we left off with Dan.

Last we heard about Dan, LaFleur said to someone who asked about him (Jack?) "He's not with us anymore." Very cryptic comment.

Now, I guess, we know he went to AA to do research.

What gets me though is this. So Dan was, presumably, off Island, in AA doing research.... This opens the possibility that pre-Island Dan, in the 90's, may have somehow found ou about the research his future self did back in the 70's, and drawn on it for his research about TT.

But... 70's Dan no doubt built on his previous work he had done in the 90's.

This is pretty cyclical/time-paradox-y.

We don't know this happened....90's Dan may not have been aware of future-70's-Dan's research, but, the possibility exists, and I hope they don't realize that possibility, b/c it would def open up pandora's box...

I don't remember anyone saying Daniel died. I remember in the episode where the O6 meet up with Sawyer for the first time in the past, Jack asks if Danny is with them. Sawyer says "Not anymore." I guess that could lead people to think that he's dead and stuff, but it's a pretty vague answer. Now we know he's not dead, but now the question is, obviously, where was he for three years?

[edit] Ninja'd.

Thanks! I never had the impression that Dan died from that conversation so I guess that was why I was getting confused.

Personally I love that Dan is back! I have always really liked his character!

I don't remember anyone saying he died. I remember in one of the episodes when the losties came back, someone asking if he was around and Sawyer or Miles or someone said 'not anymore' but that was it.

It was the way the news about Dan not being on the island anymore that really made me think that he died instead of left to do research. I thought it was so obvious, but this is Lost and I should know better than to take anything for granted.

Last time we saw Dan was in LAFLEUR when the stranders first encountered Dharma. When we jumped forward 3 years, he was no longer part of the group.

I'm guessing he elected to leave the island, perhaps out of pain at seeing the young Charlotte, and he's been working on mainland research ever since. I don't necessarily think he's been Dharma all this time, but he managed to discover something that caused him to enlist his services so he could get back to the island.


I like this idea, gupwalla! It would make sense that Daniel would remove himself from the island, considering how painful it would be to see baby Charlotte and how tempting it would be to talk to her.

It's good to see him again, though. I missed Daniel!

I just wanted to throw this in here since we're talking about Daniel.

Faraday Cage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage)

Faraday Cage?? (http://richardalpert.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=33298)

i agree with you...in those three years he elected to leave and do mainlain research after he proved himself to be a man of intelligence, and then weas brought back to continue his off island research. Great call!

He wasn't gone that entire time. We see in the opening to the season that Faraday is apparently working on the Orchid as a construction worker.

However he made the jump from build crew to black ops scientist within the DI, I think it's safe to assume that he's been coming and going. In the opening of the season, we have a baby Miles that Chang goes to check on.

We still have a baby Miles in this episode, so either Faraday has made the jump from work crew on the orchid to black ops Dharma guy, or he infiltrates the Orchid build crew with some hair-brained idea in mind.

Either the scene that opened the season has already happened with in the Losties timeline, probably not much sooner to Jack and Kates and Hurley's arrival, or Faraday has yet to infiltrate the build crew. If that's the case, the whole season to date has been playing catch up to that opening five minutes.

A quick word on the next new episode, in two weeks time.
Looks like we'll get some more answers on Faraday's story. Possibly we'll get caught up to the moment that opened the season in the episode.

I just wanted to throw this in here since we're talking about Daniel.

Faraday Cage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage)

Faraday Cage?? (http://richardalpert.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=33298)

Nice link. Interesting.

Horace offered all of Sawyer's group a ride to the mainland on the sub. Dan no doubt took them up on it, as was said above, to avoid talking to Charlotte. So he's got his notebook that has always told him about the 70s and he goes to work in Ann Arbor possessed of lots of future knowledge as well and becomes the foremost Dharma expert on time travel and electromagnetism.

It's no more and no less a predestination paradox than what the other Losties are experiencing, except that Dan has always had a record of his future in the past. It's no wonder he started having memory problems and nervous breakdowns (also convenient for him not to predict everything to everyone the moment he lands on the island.)

Cardie
100%
Faraday has yet to infiltrate the build crew. If that's the case, the whole season to date has been playing catch up to that opening five minutes.

That would be my bet.

Cardie

Either the scene that opened the season has already happened with in the Losties timeline, probably not much sooner to Jack and Kates and Hurley's arrival, or Faraday has yet to infiltrate the build crew. If that's the case, the whole season to date has been playing catch up to that opening five minutes.

Good point. I think this is the case too. Dan's certainly been gone a while, based on how he greets Miles. Yet baby Miles is only three months old at this point. Therefore, Dan would have been gone for less than three months, if the scene from Because You Left happened before events in this episode. Seems unlikely, considering how Miles reacts to seeing Daniel.

I am of the mind that we have yet to see the opening scene of this season happen. It would explain why Faraday was hiding his face from Chang(other than as a surprise for the audience). Chang would know that Daniel is a scientist that's been working in Ann Arbor and shouldn't be down in the Orchid.

I am of the mind that we have yet to see the opening scene of this season happen. It would explain why Faraday was hiding his face from Chang(other than as a surprise for the audience). Chang would know that Daniel is a scientist that's been working in Ann Arbor and shouldn't be down in the Orchid.

I really like that explanation.

It will be interesting if Chang takes his orders from Faraday. My guess is Faraday has an axe to grind and things are going to get a lot more dangerous on the Island.

I'm super confused, because I'm not sure where we left off with Dan.

I'm confused, too. Last we saw of him, he was grieving over Charlotte's death. Next we knew, it was three years later and he wasn't amongst Sawyer's group any longer.

Also, I do remember the flashback wherein we saw him on the Island working with Dharma, and we know he has a memory of meeting Charlotte as a girl -- but how does the Dan coming from MI remember Miles? Does Dan time-travel separately from the Island, thus letting us presume that the Dan arriving in 1977 is the Dan of the "present"?

My brain hurts.

But how could Daniel convince the people in Ann Arbor that he was a scientist. In 1974/77 he did not have any degrees, any records of past study. He was still a kid back in England then.

But how could Daniel convince the people in Ann Arbor that he was a scientist. In 1974/77 he did not have any degrees, any records of past study. He was still a kid back in England then.

Maybe he carried forged versions. Considering everything else that goes on in their world, that would probably be one of the easier tasks to accomplish.

I'm confused, too. Last we saw of him, he was grieving over Charlotte's death. Next we knew, it was three years later and he wasn't amongst Sawyer's group any longer.

Also, I do remember the flashback wherein we saw him on the Island working with Dharma, and we know he has a memory of meeting Charlotte as a girl -- but how does the Dan coming from MI remember Miles? Does Dan time-travel separately from the Island, thus letting us presume that the Dan arriving in 1977 is the Dan of the "present"?

My brain hurts.

Because Daniel(Hawkings)Faraday that showed up on the sub is the same Dan that was with the leftbehinders. He just went away on the sub to MI. It was still shocking and I did a double take.

Because Daniel(Hawkings)Faraday that showed up on the sub is the same Dan that was with the leftbehinders. He just went away on the sub to MI. It was still shocking and I did a double take.

But then wouldn't the DI people recognize him? Unless he stowed away the first time...

Just a quick observation. It was only visible for a split second, and I can't find a screen cap of it, but Daniel was wearing a Swan patch on his jumpsuit.

Just a quick observation. It was only visible for a split second, and I can't find a screen cap of it, but Daniel was wearing a Swan patch on his jumpsuit.

If that's true, that's intriguing...

But how could Daniel convince the people in Ann Arbor that he was a scientist. In 1974/77 he did not have any degrees, any records of past study. He was still a kid back in England then.

You have heard the way he talks right?;)

Seriously though, it wouldn't be too hard for him to prove he's brilliant. If he was asked certain questions about his area of expertise, I'm sure he'd be able to answer satisfactorily.

Having his notebook may help, but than some people may think he just stole it. He'd still have to prove it by answering questions or showing them some kind of equation or something to that nature.

But then wouldn't the DI people recognize him? Unless he stowed away the first time...

There's no trouble if they do. He was supposedly on a vessel searching for an old ship. All he has to say is that he was the expedition's scientist who went back on the sub and signed up with Dharma. The DI offered them all passage off the island.

It seems likely that the scene in the Orchid hasn't happened yet from the time travelers' point of view. Dan comes back with lots of info about what the DI is up to and probably sneaks into the Orchid hoping to find a way to get them all back to 2007.

Cardie

Here's the conversation about Daniel.
From Namaste:
SAWYER: I ain’t here to play Nostradamus to these people. Besides, Faraday’s got some interesting theories about what we can and can’t do here.
SAWYER: Did you say Faraday? He’s here?
SAWYER: Not any more.

Sawyer just gave them the standard LOST disinformation. Answer questions as cryptically as possible. Instead of saying "Oh, yeah, he's fine, he's a bigwig at Dharma headquarters," you should just say "Not anymore," make them think he's dead, and hope that they don't ask for clarification (but not to worry, they never do).

I had a thought while reading this thread and got sidetracked while reading the last couple pages of comments, excuse me if this has already been mentioned.

Is it possible that the Faraday who we getting off the sub at the end of Some Like It Hoth isn't a contemporary of Miles & the O6 gang? I somehow get the feeling that Dan has been "elsewhere" in the past 3 years more than most. Possibly he has been away for longer than that due to more travels in time?

I agree that maybe the Season 5 opener of Faraday at the Orchid station happens some time after the stuff seen in S.L.I.H. Maybe in The Incident Part 2? How cool would it be if Season 5 finished with the same scene as it opened.

I had a thought while reading this thread and got sidetracked while reading the last couple pages of comments, excuse me if this has already been mentioned.

Is it possible that the Faraday who we getting off the sub at the end of Some Like It Hoth isn't a contemporary of Miles & the O6 gang? I somehow get the feeling that Dan has been "elsewhere" in the past 3 years more than most. Possibly he has been away for longer than that due to more travels in time?

I agree that maybe the Season 5 opener of Faraday at the Orchid station happens some time after the stuff seen in S.L.I.H. Maybe in The Incident Part 2? How cool would it be if Season 5 finished with the same scene as it opened.

Actually that would be kinda a letdown. Not the final scene, but it would be cool if it was somewhere included near the end of the season which it probably would.

And spoiler tag your future episode titles thats considered a spoiler.

Sawyer just gave them the standard LOST disinformation. Answer questions as cryptically as possible. Instead of saying "Oh, yeah, he's fine, he's a bigwig at Dharma headquarters," you should just say "Not anymore," make them think he's dead, and hope that they don't ask for clarification (but not to worry, they never do).

Indeed. After WHH it occurred to me that Kate's melodramatic "Never ask me about Aaron!" was completely wrong for the situation. Is there any reason she can't just say to Jack, who has met Carole Littleton twice, "I left him with his grandmother so I could come back and look for Claire?"

Cardie

just posted this in another thread but this seems more of a general 'where's he been' thread...

when eloise, jack, desmond, ben etal were looking at the big map under the church, didn't eloise say "a very clever young man built this place"
having seen him get off the dharma sub, i think that's what daniel has been up to for the last 3 years...

just posted this in another thread but this seems more of a general 'where's he been' thread...

when eloise, jack, desmond, ben etal were looking at the big map under the church, didn't eloise say "a very clever young man built this place"
having seen him get off the dharma sub, i think that's what daniel has been up to for the last 3 years...

That doesn't make any sense at all.

It's been stated, in the very conversation that you reference, that Dharma used the Lamp Post to find the island originally. In 1974, when you say Dan is inventing the pendulum, Dharma is already on the island. As a matter of fact, Dan is there with them.

The Lamp Post was built sometime between 1954 and when Dharma arrives on the island, which is well before 1974.

yup, your right lol.

back to the drawing board...

Did anyone else think Dan talked in a sinister way when he greeted Miles? The producers had a lot to say at the start of the season about Dan and his part on the island. I think it's starting to take shape.

yup, your right lol.

back to the drawing board...

I wouldn't erase that drawing board...

Whoever found the island with the Lampost coudl have used a VERSION of what we saw earlier this season... but I get the feeling that Hawking coudl very well have been referring to Faraday.

Not a ton of proof yet though...

I think he has been involved with the Valenzeti equation and the Swan's project. He, having a better knowledge of quantum physics, might have found a way to change the numbers, which, according to The Lost Experience, was the whole purpose behind Dharma.

Perhaps, when trying to test his theory, he ends up causing the Incident.

Now, the ironic part is this:

According to Dharma, pushing the button was SAVING THE WORLD, right?

So perhaps, the Incident was a necessary evil. It might have been the only way to change the numbers. But, unfortunately, in doing so, the button protocol was the only way to prevent the VE to actually come true.

whatever happened, happened. LOL

How did Dan, in 1974, know where DI was based (ANN ARBOR)? He must of been on island in 1974 long enough to learn this. Plus, the Swan was in "early construction" when Dan was there - so that scene could have been in 1974, not 1977.

On the other hand, Dr. Chang was already filming the Orchid video when he was called away and then bumped into Dan, so maybe it was 1977.

Will Horace (or another Dharma) remember him?

just posted this in another thread but this seems more of a general 'where's he been' thread...

when eloise, jack, desmond, ben etal were looking at the big map under the church, didn't eloise say "a very clever young man built this place"
having seen him get off the dharma sub, i think that's what daniel has been up to for the last 3 years...
That was my inital thought....
That doesn't make any sense at all.

It's been stated, in the very conversation that you reference, that Dharma used the Lamp Post to find the island originally. In 1974, when you say Dan is inventing the pendulum, Dharma is already on the island. As a matter of fact, Dan is there with them.

The Lamp Post was built sometime between 1954 and when Dharma arrives on the island, which is well before 1974.

..then this occured to me as well....

I wouldn't erase that drawing board...

Whoever found the island with the Lampost coudl have used a VERSION of what we saw earlier this season... but I get the feeling that Hawking coudl very well have been referring to Faraday.

Not a ton of proof yet though...

...however with some of the other discrepencies we've had to over look in the story, I can see the writers intentions in Hawking saying a very clever young man built this place, as her refering to her son. A little motherly gloating.

I think it's still possible.

After all, can we really trust what anyone named Ben, Widmore or Hawking ever says? I submit that we can not :cool:. Perhaps the island was found some other way (whoever made it off with the Black Rock ledger perhaps?) and the DI takes root and enlists some big brains to help find a better, more reliable way to locate the island. If it is, after all, continually moving with out necessity of a FDW turn.

They need Faraday to built the Electromagnetic Hatch/Cage/Electro-mag Energy harnessing station. The Faraday Cage :D

unfortunately, it looks like next week will be a clip show
no new episode for 2 weeks :rolleyes:

I know! I want to cry now! :cry:

Question: If Dan left with the sub in 1974, when did he have time to become the scary man that told little Charlotte to leave and never come back to the island?

Question: If Dan left with the sub in 1974, when did he have time to become the scary man that told little Charlotte to leave and never come back to the island?

um, when he came back?

or before he left?

i don't know why it would take more than 9 seconds to do.

He definitely seems scarier in 1974, but he has two opportunities to do so. Young Charlotte is in the guest cast list for 5.14 and 5.15, so she doesn't leave the island until Dan comes back.

Cardie

Question: If Dan left with the sub in 1974, when did he have time to become the scary man that told little Charlotte to leave and never come back to the island?

I was wondering about that last night too, since the lefties were supposed to leave on the sub the next day, I didn't think Dan would have had the time to scare Charlotte then. I figured they could explain it away that Dan didn't take that sub, but waited until the next one arrived. During the time when he was waiting, that's when he could have frightened Charlotte I guess.

(Haven't looked at Cardie's spoiler!)

I haven't looked at the spoiler either. From Charlotte's dialogue, I got the feeling that Dan spent more than 9 seconds with her.

um, when he came back?

or before he left?

i don't know why it would take more than 9 seconds to do.You got the impression it was a one-time conversation? I didn't, but I think it is a gray area.

CHARLOTTE: Because I remember something now. When I was little, living here, there was this man... a crazy man, he really scared me. And he told me that I had to leave the island and never ever come back. He told me that if I came back I would die.

could have been just like the scene with faraday knocking on desmond's hatch.

wouldn't take long.

I think that within the three years that the remaining losties have been on the island, Dan more than likely opted to leave on the sub. In that time he used his scientific knowledge to work for Ann Arbor and possibly developed his TT theories. He then figured out what to do when he got back to the island and returned.

could have been just like the scene with faraday knocking on desmond's hatch.

wouldn't take long.

I think it would be more than a fleeting encounter or a one time thing, because Dan obviously made quite an impression to Charlotte, so much so that she would remember many years later. That's just my impression, but there's certainly nothing in the transcripts that says otherwise.

It's interesting, though, that he is showing up in 1977 Dharma appearing like he did in 2004. I think he must be doing some time traveling himself, rather than the sub.

He time traveled to 1974 with the rest of the time travelers. Then he left on the sub at some point. Then he returned on the sub with the scientists. (Unfortunately, they didn't have internet gambling back then, but if he made a side-trip to Vegas, he could have made a lot of money betting in 1975 for for Carter to win the 1976 election.)

But how could Daniel convince the people in Ann Arbor that he was a scientist. In 1974/77 he did not have any degrees, any records of past study. He was still a kid back in England then.

All he has to do is remember a sub-atomic particle that was discovered sometime between 1974 and 1977. Then he can tell them his ridiculous story about being a physicist from the future along with the month and year that the particle will be discovered... then come back after it is. OTOH, since he was carrying around some gas tank in the Orchid, maybe he just infiltrated the science team as Daniel Workman.:biggrin:

He definitely seems scarier in 1974, but he has two opportunities to do so. Young Charlotte is in the guest cast list for 5.14 and 5.15, so she doesn't leave the island until Dan comes back.

Cardie

Excellent intel in the spoiler font. I hadn't seen that.

It doesn't take much for Dan to start looking crazy, give him a day in the jungle with out a shower. :cool:

Excellent intel in the spoiler font. I hadn't seen that.

It doesn't take much for Dan to start looking crazy, give him a day in the jungle with out a shower. :cool:

or just sitting inhis lazyboy watching the news of airline wreckage being found. He seemed pretty crazy there!