I get the "Some Like it Hot" reference to the 1959 movie, but what is Hoth? Something out of "Star Wars"? Does it have anything at all to do with the episode, or do the writers just assume that everyone on Earth, has "Star Wars" memorized?

Hoth is the ice planet from Empire Strikes Back--I'm scared that I DIDN'T need Wikipedia for that....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoth

I'm glad someone explained that, as I have never seen any of the Star Wars movies.

Seriously,you must have been living on the Moon for the last 25 years ,or completely out of touch with movies/tv wich is strange cause you watch Lost...if you havent heard of Empire Strikes Back and the opening scenes on Hoth..I guess most people got the reference tho..

Hoth is one of the moons orbiting the second Death Star.

Hoth is the ice planet from Empire Strikes Back--I'm scared that I DIDN'T need Wikipedia for that....

I would be scared if you DID.

Hoth is one of the moons orbiting the second Death Star.

That would be Endor.

Hoth is one of the moons orbiting the second Death Star.

That would be Endor.

OK, let's get this straight.

The Second Death Star orbited the forest moon of Endor. That means there was a planet named Endor, this planet had a moon covered in forest, this unnamed moon had the Second Death Star in orbit around it.

I get the "Some Like it Hot" reference to the 1959 movie, but what is Hoth? Something out of "Star Wars"? Does it have anything at all to do with the episode, or do the writers just assume that everyone on Earth, has "Star Wars" memorized?

Dont hold me to it, but I'm pretty sure that Hurley mentioned the Ice planet Hoth in his manuscript.

I'm glad someone explained that, as I have never seen any of the Star Wars movies.

Dude....

OK, let's get this straight.

The Second Death Star orbited the forest moon of Endor. That means there was a planet named Endor, this planet had a moon covered in forest, this unnamed moon had the Second Death Star in orbit around it.

Actually that's not correct. Endor doesn't have a moon, it IS a moon. The second Death Star did orbit it though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endor_(Star_Wars)

Actually that's not correct. Endor doesn't have a moon, it IS a moon. The second Death Star did orbit it though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endor_(Star_Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endor_%28Star_Wars))
Actually, it's both. The forest moon was called Endor, and the gas planet it used to orbit was also called Endor:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_(planet (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_%28planet))

Note: I am not a SW geek myself, I just associate with a lot of them.

As for not knowing what Hoth is: there are loads of pop and literary references in the show. No need to get upset just because you missed this one.

Endor is where the Ewoks live (ewoks suck, dude). Hoth is where Luke was taken to the ice cave by the polar bearish monster (like Eko).

Either way, I am preparing for the Empire to Strike Back.

p.s: Miles, I am your father.

any science fiction fan knows that Hoth is the icey planet from empire strikes back. Hurley made few connections to this episode.

any science fiction fan knows that Hoth is the icey planet from empire strikes back. Hurley made few connections to this episode.

There are many people who still watch Lost that aren't pure science fiction fans or have previously watched a lot of sci-fi shows or movies, myself included.

funny i was just talking with my wife last week about how the ewoks should be exterminated, of course she likes them

There are many people who still watch Lost that aren't pure science fiction fans or have previously watched a lot of sci-fi shows or movies, myself included.


thanks..i was just about to say that. I didn't realize there were so many prerequisites for being a LOST fan. Apparently, we are all supposed to be Time travel experts and life long Sci-Fi fans in order to be viewers. the comments by some people on this board are starting to get old. reminds me of the "cool" kids in high school rolling their eyes at anyone who isn't them.

thanks..i was just about to say that. I didn't realize there were so many prerequisites for being a LOST fan. Apparently, we are all supposed to be Time travel experts and life long Sci-Fi fans in order to be viewers. the comments by some people on this board are starting to get old. reminds me of the "cool" kids in high school rolling their eyes at anyone who isn't them.


of course it's not a prereq but Lost is notorious for bringing up pop culture and literary references. For example, it mentioned Lord of the Flies. I had never read the book prior to Lost. I picked it up and read it because of Lost. The Star Wars stuff is thrown in there as a bonus to fans. If you don't get it, that's okay too.

I think this may be the most geek-i-fied thread I've ever read on here....

Perhaps Hoth is a reference to Thoth, another Egyptian god.

thanks..i was just about to say that. I didn't realize there were so many prerequisites for being a LOST fan. Apparently, we are all supposed to be Time travel experts and life long Sci-Fi fans in order to be viewers. the comments by some people on this board are starting to get old. reminds me of the "cool" kids in high school rolling their eyes at anyone who isn't them.
It's not a prerequisite. It's no different than any of the other references the show is littered with. I get some, I don't get some. I would bet a lot fewer people know what "The Little Prince" is than what Hoth is, but no one complained about that episode's title. And that's all it is: a title. You can surely watch and comprehend the show without knowing what a title is making reference to.

As for time travel, it is all internally consistent. The show explained it. No outside knowledge required. In fact, since it's different than a lot of popular concepts of time travel, you're probably better off without it.

I have never seen any of the Star Wars movies.

I don't understand what that sentence means.

Dont hold me to it, but I'm pretty sure that Hurley mentioned the Ice planet Hoth in his manuscript.

Miles: [reading Hurley's script] Egg...sterior Hoth, a little spy robot thingy zips through the atmosphere and crashes into the snowy planet below. That's when Chewbacca shows up and blasts it away with his crossbow laser. He shakes his fury fist in the sky in triumph. Chewbacca: "Rawwwr"...

Hurley: It's furry... furry fist. I need a spell check.

well my quesstion is about the 'some like it hot' reference... i know of the play/movie, but i have no idea what it's about. Does it have any connection to the theme.... or was this just a result from a late night 'star wars pun' pitch meeting?
Can anyone shed light on this pop reference?
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Ha! its one of those movies where men find themselves in a "neccessary" situation to pose as women..... and from wiki:

Jerry, for his part, tries to explain to Osgood that he cannot marry him, but Osgood is oblivious to all of Jerry's objections and remains determined—to the very end—to go through with the marriage; finally, Jerry removes the wig and yells, "I'm a man!", prompting Osgood to utter the movie's memorable last line: "Well, nobody's perfect."

I think this may be the most geek-i-fied thread I've ever read on here....

I think that's about the funniest thing I've read on here!!!
The Fuselage-the most obsessive, geeky forum in the known universe, with 10 zillion po faced theories from a to z about the greatest tv show ever made, and someone says this about a few Star Wars fans discussing facts about the films that, god, 50% of the population of the world know!!! :)
Bloody hilarious! LOL

What is Hoth? Try listening to the dialogue mate-around five minutes was devoted to The Empire Strikes Back, and Hurley practically spoonfed you it ;)

God it's even in the first sentence in the big yellow writing at the start of the movie isn't it?:)

There are many people who still watch Lost that aren't pure science fiction fans or have previously watched a lot of sci-fi shows or movies, myself included.
Me neither.

I have seen the star wars films, but I certainly wouldn't know what any of the planets, moons or whatever in it are called.

Hoth is Paris Hilton with a lisp: "That'h Hoth!"

what does it mean?

some like it hot = people disguised as someone else
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hoth = Star Wars planet in The Empire Strikes Back
so
The evil empire is coming and somebody (or some bodies) is not who we think they are.
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Seemed like a good title when we came up with it at 2am baked out of our skull.

I came in, wondering why the Hoth explanation took three pages. Now I get it. You don't have to know Star Wars to watch LOST...But, damn! Someone who has never seen even one?

I think Hurley explains the relevant bits to LOST in his dialogue. That's all you need to know.

Guy got his hand cut off cause he didn't come clean to his Dad.
Ewoks Suck Booty.
Chewbacca sometimes says "Rawwrrr." (I was drinking a glass of soda when this was read. Soda out the nose is not fun)

I saw The Empire Strikes Back years ago and I had no idea what Hoth mean't. I knew it had to do with Star Wars because of Hurley's dialog.

I think that's about the funniest thing I've read on here!!!
The Fuselage-the most obsessive, geeky forum in the known universe, with 10 zillion po faced theories from a to z about the greatest tv show ever made, and someone says this about a few Star Wars fans discussing facts about the films that, god, 50% of the population of the world know!!! :)
Bloody hilarious! LOL

What is Hoth? Try listening to the dialogue mate-around five minutes was devoted to The Empire Strikes Back, and Hurley practically spoonfed you it ;)

God it's even in the first sentence in the big yellow writing at the start of the movie isn't it?:)

lol....I was specifically referring to the discussion of Endor and the Death Star moons that was starting to get a little lively... I knew exactly what they were talking about, it just seemed funny.

You are all WRONG! HOTH stands for Houses Of The Holy! (or Holies, as some of us who attended the concerts like to say for, um, various reasons ;) ) The long awaited Zeppelin reunion will be held in the Temple and I for one will be in the front row. :biggrin:

Dancing days are here again . . . .:woohoo::dance::moinmoin_02::party0048: :kicking:

Glad someone remembered Zeppelin other then myself...

thanks..i was just about to say that. I didn't realize there were so many prerequisites for being a LOST fan. Apparently, we are all supposed to be Time travel experts and life long Sci-Fi fans in order to be viewers. the comments by some people on this board are starting to get old. reminds me of the "cool" kids in high school rolling their eyes at anyone who isn't them.


Umm... the cool kids were most definitely NOT Time Travel experts, nor were they Sci-Fi fans. They certainly could not recite Star Wars lines, nor did they bandy about "Ice Planet Hoth." Lost is for the rest of us, and well, if you can't dork out over the show, don't sweat it, that's what Lostpedia is for.

"or do the writers just assume that everyone on Earth, has "Star Wars" memorized?"

No, they expect people of this generation to be able to Google.

I'm kind of shocked by this thread.

I'm here under the assumption that most people having any interest in pop culture would know at least a little bit surrounding the Star Wars universe. It's been in our pop culture lexicon since the late 80s and his dominated and influenced much of what is prevalent in pop culture today. I guess Hoth is a BIT of a long shot, but if people knew what 'The Little Prince' was referring to right off the bat, why not the icy planet of Hoth!?

p.s. My favorite joke on 30 Rock is one of the most obscure Star Wars references ever:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=698555337875213415
Liz Lemon (on having to see Jack in his office): I always feel like I'm entering the Death Star. I expect to see Storm Troopers. I'm telling you, if Donaghy does "this" [choke grip] at me. I will run
Pete: You'll be fine...Captain Needa.
Liz Lemon: No! Captain Needa dies! HE DIES!
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You are all WRONG! HOTH stands for Houses Of The Holy! (or Holies, as some of us who attended the concerts like to say for, um, various reasons ;) ) The long awaited Zeppelin reunion will be held in the Temple and I for one will be in the front row. :biggrin:

Dancing days are here again . . . .:woohoo::dance::moinmoin_02::party0048: :kicking:

We did four already, but now we're steady, they went: one, two, three, four.

Seriously,you must have been living on the Moon for the last 25 years ,or completely out of touch with movies/tv wich is strange cause you watch Lost...if you havent heard of Empire Strikes Back and the opening scenes on Hoth..I guess most people got the reference tho..



Not EVERYONE cares about the Star Wars movies. I tried watching one once and hated it, so no, I didn't know what Hoth was either.

There are many people who still watch Lost that aren't pure science fiction fans or have previously watched a lot of sci-fi shows or movies, myself included.

You're right you shouldn't get flamed for not knowing the Star Wars movies, but you have to realize what a huge cultural phenomenon it was for anyone growing up in the '70s / '80s. Hoth isn't that obscure if you're a fan.

Besides who doesn't remember this commercial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sfQER2AQPU:grin:

I find it amusing that people that post and over anylize LOST are saying things like "not everybody knows every little detail about the star wars movies" and "it's like High School all over again".

People..... we're all into science fiction now, and whether you're a nerd....or a geek. Cant we all just get along?

I think many are missing the point.
No one's getting flamed for not knowing that Hoth is one if the most memorable places in Star Wars.
What I find galling is someone asking What is Hoth when Hurley has just told them :)

I miss things on Lost all the time and only pick it up on second viewing or when Reading this forum, but my goodness when a character is actually explaining what something is and 5 minutes is devoted to the pop culture reference, it's maybe time to put new batteries in the hearing aid! ;)

p.s. My favorite joke on 30 Rock is one of the most obscure Star Wars references ever:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=698555337875213415
Liz Lemon (on having to see Jack in his office): I always feel like I'm entering the Death Star. I expect to see Storm Troopers. I'm telling you, if Donaghy does "this" [choke grip] at me. I will run
Pete: You'll be fine...Captain Needa.
Liz Lemon: No! Captain Needa dies! HE DIES!.

It's a good one but I wouldn't call it obscure. "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" is one of the classic SW lines ;)

if you havent heard of Empire Strikes Back and ..


I never said I never heard of the Empire Strikes Back, but I've never seen the movies & I really don't know anything about any of the sequels to Star Wars.
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I don't understand what that sentence means.

So witty...not.

At the time, my girlfriend commented that some of the scenes with Hurley and Miles were big spoilers for the Star Wars trilogy. I thought, that’s not a problem, who hasn’t seen the Star Wars trilogy? I grew up with everything Star Wars, so I’m surprised to see a thread asking what Hoth is!

To confirm my geek status, can I point out that Hurley misremembered the scene with Chewbacca and the probe droid? Chewie doesn’t shoot the droid with his bowcaster, it shoots at him, then Han fires on it from behind. Han later says over the comlink, “I didn’t hit it that hard. It must have had a self-destruct.” Hurley should have known this, if he'd really watched Empire Strikes Back so many times. :biggrin:

At the time, my girlfriend commented that some of the scenes with Hurley and Miles were big spoilers for the Star Wars trilogy. I thought, that’s not a problem, who hasn’t seen the Star Wars trilogy? I grew up with everything Star Wars, so I’m surprised to see a thread asking what Hoth is!

To confirm my geek status, can I point out that Hurley misremembered the scene with Chewbacca and the probe droid? Chewie doesn’t shoot the droid with his bowcaster, it shoots at him, then Han fires on it from behind. Han later says over the comlink, “I didn’t hit it that hard. It must have had a self-destruct.” Hurley should have known this, if he'd really watched Empire Strikes Back so many times. :biggrin:

I took that as one of the "improvements" he said he was making.

He did, however, screw up the order of Vader revealing himself and Luke losing his hand. The hand came first.
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"or do the writers just assume that everyone on Earth, has "Star Wars" memorized?"

No, they expect people of this generation to be able to Google.
Or to pay attention when Hurley summarizes and explains it.

We did four already, but now we're steady, they went: one, two, three, four.
BAM BAM DAN NAN NANT,
BOOM...Pah Ching Boomp,
BA NAA NAA, BA NAA NAA

I know what it means, it just seems really, really stupid. There's no transvestism in the episode, no snow, nothing the least connected to either movie. No one actually wishes that they were on a cold planet, and since Hoth is a noun, not an adjective, no one could "like it hoth."

AND puns have absolutely no place in any television program except for comedies. LOST is not a comedy. If anything, it's about to topple over from the sheer weight of its gravitas.

I know what it means, it just seems really, really stupid. There's no transvestism in the episode, no snow, nothing the least connected to either movie. No one actually wishes that they were on a cold planet, and since Hoth is a noun, not an adjective, no one could "like it hoth."

AND puns have absolutely no place in any television program except for comedies. LOST is not a comedy. If anything, it's about to topple over from the sheer weight of its gravitas.

Lost certainly has a flair for comedy once in a while. Last night's episode had me laughing more than any episode this season.

I know what it means, it just seems really, really stupid. There's no transvestism in the episode, no snow, nothing the least connected to either movie. No one actually wishes that they were on a cold planet, and since Hoth is a noun, not an adjective, no one could "like it hoth."

AND puns have absolutely no place in any television program except for comedies. LOST is not a comedy. If anything, it's about to topple over from the sheer weight of its gravitas.

Oh, I beg to differ. LOST is often a wonderful comedy--as this episode showed.

Personally, I loved the double pun of the double movie reference, and I think both movies (The Empire Strikes Back and Some Like It Hot) relate to themes of the episode--the Hurley/Miles buddy dynamic, daddy issues, miscommunication, hiding out, and many more.

I'm glad someone explained that, as I have never seen any of the Star Wars movies.

glad i'm not the only one, but a co-worker had explained to me what hoth was before the episode aired... he was speculating that the episode would be about the donkey wheel, since hoth is an ice planet and the donkey wheel appears to be frozen.

JeffinBoca >
I know what it means, it just seems really, really stupid. There's no transvestism in the episode, no snow, nothing the least connected to either movie. No one actually wishes that they were on a cold planet,


The Lost writers are a little more subtle than that. The basic play on words here is that "hot" has been replaced with "hoth", the ice planet, i.e. hot / cold. The overt connection to the episode is Hurley's love of the film.


and since Hoth is a noun, not an adjective, no one could "like it hoth."


Nouns are used as adjectives all the time.


AND puns have absolutely no place in any television program except for comedies.


Says who? A lot of shows have a pattern to the ep titles - Friends was always "The one . . .", Smallville is always one word, etc. I'd say the pattern to Lost is that the titles are often a little tongue-in-cheek. "House of the Rising Sun","Everybody Hates Hugo", "Whatever the Case May Be", "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" . . . They're all puns, plays on words, etc.


LOST is not a comedy. If anything, it's about to topple over from the sheer weight of its gravitas.


As others have already mentioned, Lost definitely has comedic moments, and even comedic episodes. This one, the writers had already said that it was going to be a little bit of comedy before getting into the heavy stuff from now until the end of the season.

I think this may be the most geek-i-fied thread I've ever read on here....

Yeah. Wow...hardcore lost fans debating whether or not Hoth was a moon of Endor or whatever? WOW! Glad to be a part of it.

It's nice, btw, to be 2 or 3 pages into this and not see anyone say "It means "I THOTH", an Egytpian God Of Death!
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I'm kind of shocked by this thread.

I'm here under the assumption that most people having any interest in pop culture would know at least a little bit surrounding the Star Wars universe. It's been in our pop culture lexicon since the late 80s and his dominated and influenced much of what is prevalent in pop culture today. I guess Hoth is a BIT of a long shot, but if people knew what 'The Little Prince' was referring to right off the bat, why not the icy planet of Hoth!?

p.s. My favorite joke on 30 Rock is one of the most obscure Star Wars references ever:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=698555337875213415
Liz Lemon (on having to see Jack in his office): I always feel like I'm entering the Death Star. I expect to see Storm Troopers. I'm telling you, if Donaghy does "this" [choke grip] at me. I will run
Pete: You'll be fine...Captain Needa.
Liz Lemon: No! Captain Needa dies! HE DIES!
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Haha right on! A reference to some extremely obscure story? Ok. A reference to something from the most popular movie franchise in industry? Well, everyone loses their damn minds.

BTW, 30 Rock has at least 1 Star Wars reference per episode. They began doing it by accident, then decided to make it law. Not sure if this applies to season 3....

Lost geek, Star Wars geek, 30 Rock geek.
I am soooooooooooo awesome...

JeffInBoca...I truly believe that the whole point of this episode and the Star Wars refs were to indicate that if a Father and Son refuse to communicate, it could lead to loss of an appendage. This is VERY apropos to the situation we see in this ep. Extrapolate as you will.

This is probably the funniest thread ever!

On a more serious side of it, Star Wars epic is probably the most recognizable Hero's Journey to the generation that created and is probably the largest fan base of Lost. There are many parallels to the stories in Lucas' epic and Lost - as well as many great shout outs.

"I'm Daniel Farraday and I'm here to rescue you"
Ecko in the bear cave

Just in this episode we find out that Miles has a long lost father - a father who at some point looses an arm - Just like old buddy Luke.

To anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars, do yourself a favor and rent it. Try to get the original release, not the re-release with all the cgi. It's an amazing piece of story telling and an action packed romp!

To anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars, do yourself a favor and rent it. Try to get the original release, not the re-release with all the cgi. It's an amazing piece of story telling and an action packed romp!

I'm sort of oddly proud of the fact that I've never seen them. I know that is weird, but at some point I made a conscious decision to not watch them.

As far as shout-outs, I'm just hoping we don't get one like:
Kate: I love you.
Sawyer: I know.
That would be a bridge too far...

dude, indeed

To anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars, do yourself a favor and rent it. Try to get the original release, not the re-release with all the cgi. It's an amazing piece of story telling and an action packed romp!

I totally agree, the originals are the only way to go. I would also recommend Empire Strikes Back, in a lot of ways it is even better than Star Wars. I'll never forget when I was in University hanging out with my roomates, we were pretty drunk and stoned when we found TESB on the french channel: "Luke, je suis ton pere! Non, c'est impossible! It was hilarious.

Miles: [reading Hurley's script] Egg...sterior Hoth, a little spy robot thingy zips through the atmosphere and crashes into the snowy planet below. That's when Chewbacca shows up and blasts it away with his crossbow laser. He shakes his fury fist in the sky in triumph. Chewbacca: "Rawwwr"...

Hurley: It's furry... furry fist. I need a spell check.

For someone who claims to have seen Empire 200 times, he sure doesn't seem to know the movie very well, does he?:confused:

Besides who doesn't remember this commercial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sfQER2AQPU:grin:

You know you're a Star Wars nerd when....

....you follow a random link to a youtube Star Wars commercial from 1977 and get stuck at youtube watching for a while to reminisce about toys you had as a kid (or your friend had, or your cousin had, but you brought them all over to one person's house to play because they all fit together).

(then you start following suggested links and find this commercial - YouTube - BLIP commercial - which makes you laugh cuz you had that as a kid, too :laugh:)

:rolleyes:

Actually, it's both. The forest moon was called Endor, and the gas planet it used to orbit was also called Endor:

As for not knowing what Hoth is: there are loads of pop and literary references in the show. No need to get upset just because you missed this one.

This. Ackbar specifically states that the Death Star is orbiting the forest moon of Endor. Later, Vader calls the moon itself Endor.

Also, as someone here mentioned, it's mentioned in the screenplay Hurley is writing that Hoth is the planet.

He may have mentioned it, but once he started talking about it, all I heard was "blah, blah, blah" - which never happens to me watching this show.

The funny part about Hurley wanting to rewrite Starwars episode 5 is that Empire is a masterpiece and should never been played with. Why wouldn't Hurley want to rewrite, say episodes one The Phantom Menace. Maybe stop Lucas from making the all three of the prequels all together. I think would of been funnier because most star wars fans are still in great debate to this day about episodes one two and three being less then lackluster then the original trilogy was.

Even at comic-con the two Lost writers talked about writing stories and how they would never really explain everything about lost because it would be like Episode one, where they talked about the use of midi-chlorians as a means to explain the force and yet it should never have never needed explaining in the first place.

Just my two cents on the subject.

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Why wouldn't Hurley want to rewrite, say episodes one The Phantom Menace.


They're in 1977, the year "A New Hope" was released, and "Empire" came out in 1980. So he's trying to beat them to it.

He may have mentioned it, but once he started talking about it, all I heard was "blah, blah, blah" - which never happens to me watching this show.
I'm confused. You're saying that it's the writers fault you tuned them out therefore missing the dialogue because they mentioned a science fiction movie on a science fiction tv show?

They're in 1977, the year "A New Hope" was released, and "Empire" came out in 1980. So he's trying to beat them to it.

Also, In my opinion, Star Wars, Empire and Return of the Jedi were awesom. Spielberg was trying to make the three episodes after those to be as big, and they're is just no redoing the success of those first 3 movies from the 70's and 80's.

Another thing, might kinda be OT, but Ive been thinking with all these references to Star Wars, particularly Empire, The trunk that Illana and company are moving, I think might be someone in it, frozen, kinda like what they did to Hans Solo in Empire. I dont know if it has been mentioned before, but that scene ALWAYS stuck out for me. So when I saw the trunk in the episode, Dead is Dead, I immediately thought of frozen Hans.

What is Hoth? Try listening to the dialogue mate-around five minutes was devoted to The Empire Strikes Back, and Hurley practically spoonfed you it ;)



What I find galling is someone asking What is Hoth when Hurley has just told them :)

I miss things on Lost all the time and only pick it up on second viewing or when Reading this forum, but my goodness when a character is actually explaining what something is and 5 minutes is devoted to the pop culture reference, it's maybe time to put new batteries in the hearing aid! ;)


Or to pay attention when Hurley summarizes and explains it.

Hmmmm, I think it's time to review what was actually said about Hoth within the episode:

MILES: "Exterior--Hoth. A little spy robot thingy zips through the atmosphere and crashes into the snowy planet below. That's when Chewbacca shows up and blasts it away with his crossbow laser. He shakes his fury fist in the sky in triumph. Chewbacca--Raaar."

From that passage, (which is the only one in the episode that discusses Hoth) it doesn't explain exactly what Hoth is. So listening to the dialogue would not have clued any non Star Wars fanatics to what exactly Hoth is.

Now, if you were a Star Wars fanatic, the "Exterior--Hoth" would make sense because you know it's a planet, so that would mean it's an exterior view of the planet Hoth. For non Star Wars fanatics, this isn't exactly a fantastic description of what Hoth is.


I saw The Empire Strikes Back years ago and I had no idea what Hoth mean't. I knew it had to do with Star Wars because of Hurley's dialog.

Put me in that boat too lostfan72. I think I saw that movie when I was 6 years old, and over the years I may have seen it 4 or 5 more times, and I had no idea what Hoth was even after Miles read from Hurley's journal, only that I knew it pertained to The Empire Strikes Back. I even have a cousin I'm pretty close too who is an ultra Stars Wars geek. He'd probably disown me for not knowing what Hoth was.

Shoot, I've even seen Revenge of the Sith like 5 times and I can't even remember the name of the "city" planet where most of that movie takes place.

Remembering that Hoth was the snowy planet in Empire Strikes Back is akin to remembering the name of the fiery planet in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin and Obiwan had their light sabre duel, or the planet Yoda was on that Luke had to go to, and I can't remember either of those. Is knowing the names of these planets important to enjoying these movies? I don't think so, so I definitely don't find it odd that many people who have seen The Empire Strikes Back don't recall the name of the planet with all the ice and snow. It's just not an important detail.

You are all WRONG! HOTH stands for Houses Of The Holy! (or Holies, as some of us who attended the concerts like to say for, um, various reasons ;) ) The long awaited Zeppelin reunion will be held in the Temple and I for one will be in the front row. :biggrin:

Dancing days are here again . . . .:woohoo::dance::moinmoin_02::party0048: :kicking:

:clap: I'm in fact sitting here as I write watching The Song Remains The Same on VH1 For Old Folks Channel. By the way, in an awesome foreshadowing, was the little boy playing drums in a clip John Bonham's son who played drums in their recent reunion concert? That's a Lost-worthy timetravel flashforward thingy right there!

Not EVERYONE cares about the Star Wars movies. I tried watching one once and hated it, so no, I didn't know what Hoth was either.

Amen. I know the writers love it and it's a blockbuster series, but it's not all that, and the three recent movies are widely recognized as terrible. The Washington Post did a feature article once on how George Lucas was great with the special effects but his storytelling and characters were very limited.

Go ahead, throw the tomatoes. :biggrin:

Spielberg was trying to make....

Excuse me....what?!

My only complaint was that the SW references were just over-the-top. I'm not sure what the confusion was about the reference, though. There are frequently much more obscure references to books/authors/quotes. That is what Google is for. The majority of viewers will know that Hoth is a planet. And that's all you need to know to understand the title. And if you are a casual viewer, you won't even know the title, because you don't read about the show online. So what's the problem?

I just thought it was one of the show's lamer metaphors. I don't need a frying pan over the head to understand the missing limb reference, and I don't need a title of an episode and a main character in an episode to be utilized purely for the purpose of satisfying the writers obsession with SW.

That being said, I loved the rest of the episode.

Spielberg was trying to make...


Blasphemy!

Hmmmm, I think it's time to review what was actually said about Hoth within the episode:

Alright, it wasn't an in-depth explanation. But it told you that it was a Star Wars location, which the OP indicated he gathered. That's really all you need to know about it.

Blasphemy!

Don't be so hasty. Everyone knows Steven Speilberg directed the prequels to star wars. The best one of these films was "Attack of the Klingons" starring a young Tom Cruise as Neo, a skeptical and cautious Hobbit who is in midst of a long journey to destroy the lost ark of the covenant before it get sucked into a wardrobe and is defiled by a lion and a woozle named Peanut.

For someone who claims to have seen Empire 200 times, he sure doesn't seem to know the movie very well, does he?:confused:

Yeah, crossbow laser? He should know to call it a Bowcaster, even if he doesn't know that Chewie missed.
You know you're a Star Wars nerd when....

....you follow a random link to a youtube Star Wars commercial from 1977 and get stuck at youtube watching for a while to reminisce about toys you had as a kid (or your friend had, or your cousin had, but you brought them all over to one person's house to play because they all fit together).

(then you start following suggested links and find this commercial - YouTube - BLIP commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-jyKJ3mEE&feature=related) - which makes you laugh cuz you had that as a kid, too :laugh:)

:rolleyes:

I couldn't believe it when I saw all the old commercials there, just seeing the original packages was a trip. The reason I chose the Hoth World clip was to show that there were even toys included the planet's name, for those who think it was an obscure reference.

Perhaps Hoth is a reference to Thoth, another Egyptian god.Thank you! And I rather enjoyed this story of The Book of Thoth (http://touregypt.net/godsofegypt/thebookofthoth.htm).

Naturally the Star Wars reference about Hoth. Which was a frozen planet. Uh, polar bears (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Polar_bear) & the original comic book Hurley was reading on 815?

And then the "Some Like It Hot" reference. Is it Jack or Sawyer who's the Tony Curtis character? (Tony Curtis pretends to own the boat, but doesn't really, BTW.) Is the character name "Osgood" related to any of the Dharmites/Losties? ("Goodwin", "Goodspeed" ? Actually I swear we have had an Osgood somewhere, but Lostpedia doesn't find it...) And does Kate really qualify as Sugar Kane Kowalczyk/Marilyn Monroe???

(Everybody play nice -- there's such an absurdly rich depth to the Lost references that everybody gets a chance to be a geek sometimes! :cool:)

I'm confused. You're saying that it's the writers fault you tuned them out therefore missing the dialogue because they mentioned a science fiction movie on a science fiction tv show?

I'm not saying it's anyone's fault. All I'm saying is that once they started talking Star Wars, I tuned out. There are different types of science fiction - not all of which is appealing to me. To me, LOST is a mystery, which happens to incorporate supernatural and science fiction elements.

Alright, it wasn't an in-depth explanation. But it told you that it was a Star Wars location, which the OP indicated he gathered. That's really all you need to know about it.

Yes, from the original post, it appears the OP understood that Hoth was a Star Wars reference but it seemed the OP's question was, what exactly is Hoth, since it was never clearly explained in the episode, hence the name of the thread.

The answer to the question was actually given in post #2.

From that passage, (which is the only one in the episode that discusses Hoth) it doesn't explain exactly what Hoth is. So listening to the dialogue would not have clued any non Star Wars fanatics to what exactly Hoth is.

Now, if you were a Star Wars fanatic, the "Exterior--Hoth" would make sense because you know it's a planet, so that would mean it's an exterior view of the planet Hoth. For non Star Wars fanatics, this isn't exactly a fantastic description of what Hoth is.
Agreed. If I didn't know what Hoth was that description in the episode probably wouldn't have fully explained it.

I only knew what Hoth was because I saw the episode title in advance of the show and looked it up. I've seen the movie probably 7 or 8 times and it still didn't jump out at me as it being the ice planet.

Got a question for the Star Wars experts, it's my understanding that Ewoks had a limited technology, and that they worshipped C3PO? For a very long time I have been wondering if the Others have been influenced by technology or information from the future that has shaped them and their beliefs. Can someone briefly explain how the Ewoks came to consider C3PO as their god?

You know, with JJ Abrams new movie coming out -- I would have expected Star Trek references instead of Star Wars. (Maybe now it's all the same thing to like sci fi, but back in the day - there was a competitive feeling about which one you liked.)

I loved finding out Hurley's little black journal was his Empire script - with improvements!

MysterFan, Damon is a co-producer on the new Star Trek, actually, and he is co-producing and co-writing the forthcoming sequel. But he's a Star Wars devotee, so I'm not surprised by the major references or that they would make Hurley a huge fan.

Also, In my opinion, Star Wars, Empire and Return of the Jedi were awesom. Spielberg was trying to make the three episodes after those to be as big, and they're is just no redoing the success of those first 3 movies from the 70's and 80's. Ok, all the "blasphemy" posters, play nice. ;) We all know Bellarain meant to say Lucas and not Spielberg. But it's not kind to quote someone and just leave obscure comments.

Another thing, might kinda be OT, but Ive been thinking with all these references to Star Wars, particularly Empire, The trunk that Illana and company are moving, I think might be someone in it, frozen, kinda like what they did to Hans Solo in Empire. I dont know if it has been mentioned before, but that scene ALWAYS stuck out for me. So when I saw the trunk in the episode, Dead is Dead, I immediately thought of frozen Hans.There's a popular theory out right now that it's a Locke in the Box, and that the Locke running around the island is really Smokey. I don't subscribe to the theory, but your comment would tie in nicely.

There's a popular theory out right now that it's a Locke in the Box, and that the Locke running around the island is really Smokey. I don't subscribe to the theory, but your comment would tie in nicely.

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "box man."

It's an interesting theory.

They're in 1977, the year "A New Hope" was released, and "Empire" came out in 1980. So he's trying to beat them to it.

Yes, Lucidity I did know they are in the 1977s but I was saying if I was the writers I would of made fun of the prequels rather then say trying to pick on empire a classic movie. But I Guess like miles said thats the stupidest idea.

Don't be so hasty. Everyone knows Steven Speilberg directed the prequels to star wars. The best one of these films was "Attack of the Klingons" starring a young Tom Cruise as Neo,

You know that Speilberg was really offered at one point to direct Return of the jedi, No kidding. but he turned it down because he said to George lucas, this is your baby not mine. I wouldn't dare touch it. also David lynch at one point was asked to Direct Jedi but he was making Dune at the time and couldn't direct it.. wow would that of been a different movie or what. Maybe have a floating Emperor. god knows.

Got a question for the Star Wars experts, it's my understanding that Ewoks had a limited technology, and that they worshipped C3PO? For a very long time I have been wondering if the Others have been influenced by technology or information from the future that has shaped them and their beliefs. Can someone briefly explain how the Ewoks came to consider C3PO as their god?

It was prophesied that one of their gods, The Golden One, would appear to them in human form some day. Since C-3PO is gold, they assumed it was him.

It was prophesied that one of their gods, The Golden One, would appear to them in human form some day. Since C-3PO is gold, they assumed it was him.

Ah, thanks. I wondered if there is some Lost version of this. I've been on a kick about possibly Jacob (as much as I hate theorizing about him), or some other person, being considered a prophet or a god because he/they came from the future.

Ah, thanks. I wondered if there is some Lost version of this. I've been on a kick about possibly Jacob (as much as I hate theorizing about him), or some other person, being considered a prophet or a god because he/they came from the future.

Ok, but you know that they didn't time travel in Star Wars, right? I don't think you were implying that, but the Ewoks were just primitive and hadn't seen all of the new technologies.

It seems like, if anything, they would consider smokey a deity, given the depictions under the temple.

jarryjayo >
Yes, Lucidity I did know they are in the 1977s but I was saying if I was the writers I would of made fun of the prequels rather then say trying to pick on empire a classic movie.


Well, I think the Empire Strikes Back reference is another time reference, just like using all of the period music. As for "picking on" the film, I wouldn't say that was Hurley's intention at all. He loves the film, and just said he wanted to make a couple of changes.

My favourite Beatles album is Abbey Road, but if I could travel back in time I'd do everything in my power to stop "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" and "Octopus's Garden" from ever happening. I've often thought that if I were to die a very rich man, my dying wish would be for my money to be used to rerelease that album minus those two songs. That would be my gift to mankind. :hypocrit:

Oh, right! I know there was no time travel. The idea of this god-like person being worshiped by the others, or the other others has been with me for awhile. When I read that the Ewoks had done this with the gold guy, it made me remember that idea. I was looking for a correlation there of some kind.

You know, technology could seem like magic if a culture is unfamiliar with it, and I thought, so to could a person armed with knowledge from the future appear to be magic if there is no context for it.

Goddess, Thank you soooo much for fixing that for me. Jeez i cannot believe I put Spielberg instead of Lucas. For some reason, I was thinking Spielberg. And thank you so much for pointing that out also. Didnt mean to make any enemies with that mistake. I was mostly wanting to point out the Hans Solo being frozen and the trunk thing. I really think something is there with that.

Goddess, Thank you soooo much for fixing that for me. Jeez i cannot believe I put Spielberg instead of Lucas. For some reason, I was thinking Spielberg. And thank you so much for pointing that out also. Didnt mean to make any enemies with that mistake. I was mostly wanting to point out the Hans Solo being frozen and the trunk thing. I really think something is there with that.
You're welcome, Bellarain! Lucas and Spielberg are friends and collaborated together on the Indiana Jones flicks, the confusion should be somewhat understandable. I just didn't like how everyone hopped on your post. ;) (How many posters have typed in the wrong character name?? Just today, I saw someone type "Charlotte" when it was obvious they meant "Claire." It's quite easy to mix up names.)

You know that Speilberg was really offered at one point to direct Return of the jedi, No kidding. but he turned it down because he said to George lucas, this is your baby not mine. I wouldn't dare touch it. also David lynch at one point was asked to Direct Jedi but he was making Dune at the time and couldn't direct it.. wow would that of been a different movie or what. Maybe have a floating Emperor. god knows.

not to sound smug, but yes, I did know. I'm a huge Star Wars geek. With all the hubbub going on on this thread, I truly understand why the star wars people are making a big deal out of people not knowing what Hoth is. It's not meant to be condescending, it just boggles ones mind.
It'd be like telling a Christian that you dont know who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were.
Anyways, Wouldnt a Lynch directed Jedi be awesome? Maybe, instead of Ewoks, we'd have a whole village of those baby from Eraserhead.

I'm convinced Lucas directed the fourth Indiana Jones rather than Spielberg.

khopzilla >
Anyways, Wouldnt a Lynch directed Jedi be awesome? Maybe, instead of Ewoks, we'd have a whole village of those baby from Eraserhead.


Either that or C3PO would have ended up hiding in a wardrobe, watching ewoks in some weird sex scene, set to creepy 60s music.


:sw_: :ewok4::ewok4:

(Best. use. of. smilies. ever.) :biggrin:

I berated a friend who is a supposed Lost fan once for not knowing what it meant when someone signed an email Namaste. We're all geeks, we just tend to connect to the stories told different times.

Oh, and Star Trek has been represented - I salute the many red shirts who gave their lives to the making of this tale.

^ And Sawyer said, "What are you going to do, beam us up?".

Either that or C3PO would have ended up hiding in a wardrobe, watching ewoks in some weird sex scene, set to creepy 60s music.


:sw_: :ewok4::ewok4:

(Best. use. of. smilies. ever.) :biggrin:



ewwwwwww at the thought of Max Rebo yelling "Baby wants to f***!!!"




(and I think I just won the title of Nerdiest post of the week)

Read a majority of this thread and haven't seen this straight out.

The HOTH reference, though I'm not up on the ...Some Like it...part of it, but it seems the Hothness will return and references, in LOST, the chamber with the FDW.

This episode was a waste of time for me...unless...it is setting up scenarios for "the incident" which I believe it is. Hoth and FDW will reveal their simulance in a few weeks.

Just my thoughts.

I didn't know what Hoth was either, except it being a reference to SW. Knowing that Hoth is the Ice Planet should prove to be useful knowledge...eventually.

Could the title have anything to do with hot and cold? Some like it HOT. And Hoth is COLD. The island is jungle/tropical. The FDW chamber is cold. :shrug: I don't know where I'm going with this....just throwing it out there.

Could the title have anything to do with hot and cold? Some like it HOT. And Hoth is COLD. The island is jungle/tropical. The FDW chamber is cold. :shrug: I don't know where I'm going with this....just throwing it out there.
That was my thought too, goddessblue.. I posted something similar in the Some Like It Hot thread. The irony of the title fits.. Pluse the references to snowmen, snowglobes, polar bears.. Taking it further, I can't help but feel the island will be revealed as an ice planet or under ice....

I love Sw and lost! reading this whole thread was awesome.!!

IMO the title is there for all the reasons that everyone pointed out.
1. Hurley talks of the movie Empire Strikes Back
2. Thoth the Egyptian God
3. Hoth is cold thus it reminds us of the FDW
4. The play on words of the movie Some Like it Hot
5. Its a funny tittle.


When the writers come up with stuff for lost, you know that they love to have multiple possible meanings for everything. This is to confuse us, to excite us, and leave the option open to make it truly important or just pass it off as a joke.

and let us not forget, Billy Dee as LaCobra!

Wow, that's a cool idea (no pun intended) The Island (Warawi) is The Savage Land a la Kazar. Hidden away in a cold place is this tropical land.

(Kazar is a Marvel Comic where a guy lives in the Savage Land like Tarzan, but with sabretooth tigers and dinosaurs. The land is in the middle of Antarctica)

I am curious to know what Hurley thought needed to be changed. He really wanted to change it so that Darth and Luke turn off their light sabers and compare notes? Surprising.

I've subscribed to the Island is somewhere cold theory since season 2 or 3!
Since the Ho Ho Ho episode.
All links on with an obscure book called The Smokey God, I think, and features Apollo....
I'll try and find the thread again, it's in the theories section.
Ps Max Rebo baby wants to post was inspired genius!