Was it intentional that the landlord in the opening scene looked like John Locke initially, shared his mannerisms, and I'll swear his first words were dubbed with Locke's voice?? Some kind of red herring??? Are TPTB messing with my mind. And what about the dead guy. Surely you all spotted his Hugo-esque size and hair? No wonder I have high blood pressure!

I didn't get that from the landlord at all, and the dead guy looked like he ran about 170 pounds. His hair was certainly curly, though, I'll give you that. :)

-steve

I did note the Hurley hair.

i've already seen him referred to as 'skinny hurley'.

the other dead dude (with naomi in the restaurant), my mum actually asked my if it was richard... clearly wasn't but the jawline was uncanny. lol

I know what you mean about people that look like each other- I always thought that christian with dark hair, looks like Locke with dark hair when they do a profile shot from the nose up it's uncanny especially with the receading hair line. I also found that Jack and Ray Sheppard really look a like- I too noticed the Hurley hair and the name Alvarez that was kinda wierd!!! Ben and Thomas look too much a like and I even thought that Older Locke and Widmore look a like.

There are a lot of people who look like other people, and I don't think it is a red herring. Even extras in the background or bit parts look similar to our main characters--similar hairstyles, outfits. This also is probably connected somehow to the ongoing theme of "face blindness (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=108094)" and forgetting faces.

Is their vision and point of view being affected? Are some people we are seeing really some other people? The switching of roles in "316" as if people were interchangeable also seemed to be a big clue.

As for dialogue switching, for the longest time I've felt that when Kate came out of the shower to be with Jack in the LA scenes, she either had Juliet's voice or Evangeline Lilly was mimicking Elizabeth Mitchell. It could have just been a minor red herring to confuse us, but somehow with everything else I don't think so...hard to say what it really means, though.

also, remember a couple of seasons ago locke had a flashback with a man that was said to look a bit like tom, and kate married a man who looked similar to ethan.

And one of the guys in Penny's listening station looked VERY much like Jack, but it was a different actor. I think to save money, some of the stunt doubles get small parts! LOL!

Was it intentional that the landlord in the opening scene looked like John Locke initially, shared his mannerisms, and I'll swear his first words were dubbed with Locke's voice?? Some kind of red herring??? Are TPTB messing with my mind. And what about the dead guy. Surely you all spotted his Hugo-esque size and hair? No wonder I have high blood pressure!

All I can say for sure is this: Yeah, they are driving you crazy. At least you realize it :)

I thought Miles' mother, before I knew that's who it was, was Sun in a flashforward many, many, many years into the future. :redface:

There are a lot of people who look like other people, and I don't think it is a red herring. Even extras in the background or bit parts look similar to our main characters--similar hairstyles, outfits. This also is probably connected somehow to the ongoing theme of "face blindness (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=108094)" and forgetting faces.

Is their vision and point of view being affected? Are some people we are seeing really some other people? The switching of roles in "316" as if people were interchangeable also seemed to be a big clue.

As for dialogue switching, for the longest time I've felt that when Kate came out of the shower to be with Jack in the LA scenes, she either had Juliet's voice or Evangeline Lilly was mimicking Elizabeth Mitchell. It could have just been a minor red herring to confuse us, but somehow with everything else I don't think so...hard to say what it really means, though.

Devedra- you have the wheels turning in my head!!!!
Like- Sawyer being in charge instead of Jack, Jack acting like Locke, it is almost as if it doesn't matter who does what as long as someone does it. Like the photograph that Christian showed to Sun and Frank that had Ben surprised. My thoughts on Ben's shock was that he's seen the picture before but Kate, Jack, and Hurley weren't in it because in the first timeline of 77 the folks in the pic were those who were on the sub. Since Juliet fixed the manifest and added in K,J & H the 3 people that were in the photo faded out like Back to the Future and K, J, & H faded in. The mystery women who wasn't there for the pic to be taken but was in the pic- was in the first 77 timeline but didn't make the sub either but Sayid was not present to take her place as he didn't flash to the same location as J, K & H. With Ben not knowing who shot him- in the first 77 timeline it could have been anyone who was in the original photo of those recruits we dont' know how may times 77 has been experienced. It seems like the island is trying to right a wrong and it is using different people in each timeline till someone finally gets it right.

Carmelita, interesting idea--it does seem like we keep seeing repeats of the same types of stories over and over in different people. Maybe outside forces are manipulating our people to try to fit them into the roles they are supposed to play...but whoever or whatever is doing this doesn't care "who" it is, just that "it" gets done. There is also this insistence that everyone believe they are doing things out of free will, when they are being manipulated--maybe that is key to whatever part they have to play.

Alternately, maybe parts of what they are living isn't really "real" and what they think they are experiencing is being taken from someone else's memories, and there are only a limited number of experiences. This would explain recurring "props" and people who "look alike" as well all the similarities in events that happened to different characters, if someone is setting the stage using variations on the same script.

Thanks Dev!
What do you think about Daniel???

Devedra- you have the wheels turning in my head!!!!
Like- Sawyer being in charge instead of Jack, Jack acting like Locke, it is almost as if it doesn't matter who does what as long as someone does it. Like the photograph that Christian showed to Sun and Frank that had Ben surprised. My thoughts on Ben's shock was that he's seen the picture before but Kate, Jack, and Hurley weren't in it because in the first timeline of 77 the folks in the pic were those who were on the sub. Since Juliet fixed the manifest and added in K,J & H the 3 people that were in the photo faded out like Back to the Future and K, J, & H faded in. The mystery women who wasn't there for the pic to be taken but was in the pic- was in the first 77 timeline but didn't make the sub either but Sayid was not present to take her place as he didn't flash to the same location as J, K & H. With Ben not knowing who shot him- in the first 77 timeline it could have been anyone who was in the original photo of those recruits we dont' know how may times 77 has been experienced. It seems like the island is trying to right a wrong and it is using different people in each timeline till someone finally gets it right.


What does 77 mean here

What does 77 mean here

It's short for the year "1977"

But this question made me think of something. In the flame, When the video of Dr Chang appeared, he said if the hostiles were invading the area to "enter 77". Wow! What an interesting phrase... Since our Lostaways are on their way of fixing things by entering 1977.
To me, this proves those writers certainly have known what they were up to all along.

Thanks Dev!
What do you think about Daniel???

Did you see someone who looked like him? Or are you getting at is BlackSuitFaraday the same as PerpetualSkinnyTieFaraday?

With Daniel, I've gone back and forth between thinking he actually is in the "inside story," or (for lack of a better phrase) from "the other side." I have kind of a sub-idea that might have been disproven with Michael that all of the characters with "-el" are messengers/"angels"/"time police" or something outside of the inside story that are trying to "fix" things and keep things on course for how they want it to work. Maybe it works more like this, though:

Inside 815 characters story on the Island | Fighting for the Island story | Faraday/time cop story | The real story

~
Maybe "Enter 77" somehow set into place for our survivors to experience 1977--although the "flash" time travelers went back to 1974, the other characters conveniently flashed from the plane to 1977.

Did you see someone who looked like him? Or are you getting at is BlackSuitFaraday the same as PerpetualSkinnyTieFaraday?

With Daniel, I've gone back and forth between thinking he actually is in the "inside story," or (for lack of a better phrase) from "the other side." I have kind of a sub-idea that might have been disproven with Michael that all of the characters with "-el" are messengers/"angels"/"time police" or something outside of the inside story that are trying to "fix" things and keep things on course for how they want it to work. Maybe it works more like this, though:

Inside 815 characters story on the Island | Fighting for the Island story | Faraday/time cop story | The real story

~
Maybe "Enter 77" somehow set into place for our survivors to experience 1977--although the "flash" time travelers went back to 1974, the other characters conveniently flashed from the plane to 1977.


Hey Dev- yes I was getting at Black Suit - and Skinny with Tie Daniel.

I like the idea of Dan being a time cop because I think Dan has been TTing longer than we think and should actually be older than we think. At first I wasn't for jumping on the Charlotte is Dan's daughter bandwagon but after rewatching some early S5 episodes I am starting to think this could be the case. When you say Time Cop that leads me to seriously think that Dan's been around for quite a while. Since Lost does make referance to -Slaugherhouse-five main charactor Billy Pilgrim who just happens to be unstuck in time and is able to go visit the past, present, and future could Dan be based on him? See at first I thought of Desmond, but now I am leaning towards Dan because we see Dan having memory problems and a care taker which is something we didn't see with Des.
Dev- what do you think about the below part?
My theory on Dan is that he is the man who built that pendulum in the Lamp Post in LA, I think he is related to Hawking either a husband or brother or even her father. I think he is Charlottes father or grandfather.. Grandfather could be more accurate. I know I am putting a lot of stock in Dan but I just have a funny feeling he should be super old and this is part of the reason his memory is sooooo bad... It's like he's cheated aging and course correction is trying to kick in.
I know some people on here will most likely stomp on and tear a part this theory and maybe I'm completely way off but I'd love to hear what everyone else things.


With regards to Enter 77 Sayid was with Locke when he was at the flame- and Surprise Sayid went to 77 . I agree with your theory on this 100%
Also Dev- let's here your sub-idea

Also Dev- let's here your sub-idea

The idea I have toyed with has to do with the meaning of "El" --> god

When added to a name, "el" usually means "of god"--you will notice that angels and fallen angels usually have "el" in their names somewhere. Angels are often called "messengers" in religious texts. Eloise and Elizabeth (Libby) and Daniel all seem like they know a lot of information about the "bigger story" (Libby is speculation) . We also see all three of them "influencing" other characters--in fact, each of them has a substantial interaction with Desmond that influences moments that are turning points in his life. Whether or not they are spiritual beings intervening or playing at being some sort of time police, they appear to be trying to bring "messages" and either change history (or keep it the same).

For people who sound like each other, there is a recent thread about Roger sounding like Jack (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=112537).

I thought Miles' mother, before I knew that's who it was, was Sun in a flashforward many, many, many years into the future. :redface:

You're not alone. So did my husband and I.

After reading through this thread and thinking back over the seasons, it seems like it doesn't really matter who does certain things, as long as it happens. As if Daniels "whatever happened happened" should have a clause that mentions "but it might not have happened to the same person." In the bigger picture the event is more important than the people.

You're not alone. So did my husband and I.

After reading through this thread and thinking back over the seasons, it seems like it doesn't really matter who does certain things, as long as it happens. As if Daniels "whatever happened happened" should have a clause that mentions "but it might not have happened to the same person." In the bigger picture the event is more important than the people.

I absolutely think that these theories are some of the more well thought out and saner theories on these boards, IMHO of course. I'm wondering the lists have something to do with this. Perhaps when Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin to make lists the criteria was people who would do the best job in 1977. Jack and Kate were not on this lists. Jack was taken by the others to perform surgery on Ben. I'm not sure why Kate was taken. I'm just thinking.

Kate looking like Danielle and vice versa.

Characters looking like Characters has been included in all of the theories involving LOST being some sort of a game.

as in a computer game, there is a finite or certain set of "looks" to all the possible avatars throughout the game.

thus, you would notice a character looking simular to another character in game and in the show. only thing is, I would think there would be more duplicates than what we have seen?

Everyone does seem to be a pawn in this game it seems. We dont even really know if Jacob has any control.

When I watched this episode I paused it at the beginning and thought it was Locke and Sun when I came back just for a second when mama Chang was turned around.

Other look-alikes are Brother Campbell and the janitor/maitenance guy Desmond met at Oxford in Jughead. If not blatantly the same people, theres no mistaking the similarities. And that was the second twin of that episode because there was the woman who he talked to at the desk to ask if Faraday still worked there and she being the exact same lady who let Hurley on 815 but different accent Exodus Pt1 in season one (or pt2).

I've wondered about this since Claire's car accident - there was a guy pushing a broom that looked SO MUCH like Jack.

I tend to go to the thought that just like character archetypes, there are physical character archetypes, too. They mention people looking like each other when referencing Jack and Ben's womenz.

I've also always thought that the leader at Locke's hippie farm, Horace and younger Widmore all looked alike too.

In the Desmond/Oxford (Jughead) scene it was made pretty obvious that there was to be a connection between Oxford and the Church (which literally they are the same locations used for both and maybe that was the only connection inferred).

When Desmond shows up at Oxford the first shot is of the bell tower and the bell rings out (getting you to think its a church). Next shot is Desmond walking and a guy with a long black coat passes by (who looks like a monk until you get a better look). So the question is whether the writers were doing it just to mess with our heads like the Op mentions or are these physical archetypes, at least it seems to me in Desmonds case, creating/effecting his present (picked from his memories or more broader the islands memories, since he most likely never met the secretary woman before but she being another pawn in this game analogy). Maybe its all their Badtwins.

Since The Island (?) seems to use peoples memories to its advantage on the island it would make sense if it were to shape peoples lives off island, which it does, using familiar landmarks etc.