This does confirm that Eloise is Daniel's mom doesn't it?

I thought it was already confirmed, but I'd say yes, this definitely confirms it.

I thought it was already confirmed, but I'd say yes, this definitely confirms it.
Many people thought that it was not confirmed.

I'm not sure NBC. They also said that Widmore was responsible for the faked plane crash, and that hadn't been confirmed yet. Plus, they did say that Sawyer, Juliet, et al. had no choice but to join the DI, and we know that isn't true.

So who really knows.:shrug:

I would say it had already been confirmed. Desmond went to Widmore & asked where Faraday's mom was. Widmore gave him a piece of paper with the address & her name. Desmond showed up there, saying he was looking for Faraday's mom. I know they throw in twists sometimes, but this seemed pretty straightforward.

I would say it had already been confirmed. Desmond went to Widmore & asked where Faraday's mom was. Widmore gave him a piece of paper with the address & her name. Desmond showed up there, saying he was looking for Faraday's mom. I know they throw in twists sometimes, but this seemed pretty straightforward.

Technically it hasn't, since we never have had anyone actually confirm this, even in the show. Hawking didn't even say anything when Desmond mentioned "her son", only that "she was helping". I wouldn't put it past TPTB to trick us here, since everyone assumes that she's his mother. It makes sense that she is, especially with the awkward exchanges in Jughead between Ellie and Dan, but we don't even know for sure that Ellie is Eloise Hawking. The info was given in an enhanced episode, but Damon and Carlton has said that those aren't cannon.

It was the same with Widmore and having the cameras in the desert. Everyone assumed that he had the cameras there because that was where he ended up, but in his conversation with Locke, he never says that, just that "it's the exit". Then we find out that he left the Island by the sub.

right^^. it was always assumed, but she never said that she was his mum and when he was yelling at des at the hatch he said "my mother's name is....." and there was a flash. very convenient.

i'm not so sure that she's not. but i think they've been stringing us along.

I'm not sure NBC. They also said that Widmore was responsible for the faked plane crash, and that hadn't been confirmed yet. Plus, they did say that Sawyer, Juliet, et al. had no choice but to join the DI, and we know that isn't true.

sounds fishy to me. I agree, the narrator seems to be telling information as facts when they are just assumptions. Its still possible Eloise is not his mother, and sawyers group had other options but decided to go with the DI. they could have easily went home

Technically it hasn't, since we never have had anyone actually confirm this, even in the show. Hawking didn't even say anything when Desmond mentioned "her son", only that "she was helping". I wouldn't put it past TPTB to trick us here, since everyone assumes that she's his mother. It makes sense that she is, especially with the awkward exchanges in Jughead between Ellie and Dan, but we don't even know for sure that Ellie is Eloise Hawking. The info was given in an enhanced episode, but Damon and Carlton has said that those aren't cannon.

It was the same with Widmore and having the cameras in the desert. Everyone assumed that he had the cameras there because that was where he ended up, but in his conversation with Locke, he never says that, just that "it's the exit". Then we find out that he left the Island by the sub.
From "The Life and Death Of Jeremy Bentham":

WIDMORE: My name is Charles Widmore. Tell me, John. How long has it been for you since we first met? Since you walked into our camp and you spoke to Richard?
LOCKE: Four days.
WIDMORE: Heh. That’s incredible.
LOCKE: The camera in the desert -- that was yours.
WIDMORE: Yeah.

Todd I'm not being mean but I had just posted this on the another thread, he did confirm that the camera was his.

I don't think going off island in the 70's would really be going home. They really didn't have a choice except to stay with the D.I. Sawyer said they had to stay until Locke came back.

In typical LOST fashion, the narrator was only "mostly reliable." I thought it was interesting that the narrator repeatedly said that characters had "no choice" or "only one choice." The one that was most mind boggling was when he said that Locke's only option was to hang himself from the ceiling...:confused:...uh...no, that was definitely a choice. :)

Edit to add: Reading other threads, apparently Nestor Carbonell was the narrator? That seems to point to perhaps Richard Alpert having the point of view that people's actions are already determined.

We know that Chucky Boy was banished by Ben for having an affair with an off-Islander that produced a child. So Ben's reaction to Desmond's comment about Eloise having a son now makes more sense since Ben didn't seem to know that Eloise had an off-Island son. Ben assumed that Eloise was working on his side. This is probably because we don't know WHEN Eloise left the Island, but during the 1977 events surrounding the shooting of Little Ben, Eloise was mentioned (ditto for Charles), so she was still there then, correct? Or maybe Ben did know that Eloise had been banished just like Widmore, and the fact that Locke was going to meet with her meant that Widmore was getting closer to finding a way back to the Island--hence Ben's reaction to kill Locke before he could meet with Eloise. But Ben's interactions with Eloise imply that they have some sort of relationship that is not nearly as warped as Ben's and Widmore's relationship with each other. Granted, Eloise doesn't seem to have been a threat to the "leader" role, so Ben may not have felt as hostile to her as he does to Widmore, but I keep going back to Ben's reaction to Desmond's comment about coming to see Eloise because she is Dan's mom.

There is the possibility that Dan is not Eloise's biological child but an adopted child like Alex, which may have been a tolerated practice by the Others. If so, then Eloise did NOT break the rules and end up banished like Widmore, but everyone may have been led to believe that she was so that she could accomplish some off-Island purpose (like play double agent to Widmore?) I'm only guessing, no spoiler information here, but something about the relationship between Dan and Eloise is not quite right based on Ben's reaction to Desmond's comment.


The other thing that's been bothering me for a couple of episodes now is that since the Dharma group was there in 1977 while Chucky Boy and Eloise were still on the Island, Dharma's use of the Lamp Post to find the Island pre-dates both Widmore's and Eloise's "bump" from the Island, yes? So who was searching for the Island BEFORE Charles made it his mission in life to find the Island again????? Eloise hinted that someone brilliant designed the Lamp Post, and people speculated that it was
Dan
but I'm not convinced of that based on the timeline we've been shown. I'm actually leaning towards
Jacob
being the one who designed the Lamp Post since I'd wager a dozen doughnuts that we'll see this being the case before the series ends.

So who was searching for the Island BEFORE Charles made it his mission in life to find the Island again?????

The people searching for the Island before Widmore got kicked off were the people that built the Lamp Post: Dharma.

Hawking is Dans mum...

Just because we didnt see their life history, and no one actually said... Are you Dan's mum? and she said "yes"...
Jeez, if we take the "no one actually, verbally, 100% confirmed it on screen" then over half of what is taken as read would still be needlessly up for debate.

These programs should be seen as an aid to anyone discussing the back story and mythology of the show, as they DO confirm these things that some people think should be obvious, but others insist are still vague to suit their theories.

There will be people who say that this was another smokescreen, obviously designed to irritate them personally...
But whether thats true or not (and only their therapist will know...) its also a recap... for normal viewers who may have only watched each episode once and missed such points. The writers probably look confused when they see some of the stuff on here, and think "I thought that was obvious to everyone"...

Having Nestor narrate the show in no way suggests anything about Richards intentions, thoughts, background or otherwise. Sorry, but that duck dont fly... The use of phrases such as "no choice" and "only choice" are just dramatic devices to move the narrative along, without having to explain the full back story... otherwise, if they had explained all of Lockes options etc the show would have been 5 or 6 hours long.

The best thing to do with these shows is accept that they are canon, and they give a clean slate on certain points of discussion. If it contradicts a point of view or theory you hold, sorry, but get over it...

From "The Life and Death Of Jeremy Bentham":


Todd I'm not being mean but I had just posted this on the another thread, he did confirm that the camera was his.

No, I meant he didn't confirm that he left by way of the FDW and therefore that he didn't end up in the desert. That's what everybody was assuming.;)
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I don't think going off island in the 70's would really be going home. They really didn't have a choice except to stay with the D.I. Sawyer said they had to stay until Locke came back.

But they had a choice to leave, if they wanted to. It wasn't "Join the DI, or else!".;) Afterall, Juliet was thinking about leaving and Miles was definitely willing to.

Can't believe we're still talking about this. Eloise is Faraday's mother.

Hawking is Dans mum...

Just because we didnt see their life history, and no one actually said... Are you Dan's mum? and she said "yes"...
Jeez, if we take the "no one actually, verbally, 100% confirmed it on screen" then over half of what is taken as read would still be needlessly up for debate.

These programs should be seen as an aid to anyone discussing the back story and mythology of the show, as they DO confirm these things that some people think should be obvious, but others insist are still vague to suit their theories.

There will be people who say that this was another smokescreen, obviously designed to irritate them personally...
But whether thats true or not (and only their therapist will know...) its also a recap... for normal viewers who may have only watched each episode once and missed such points. The writers probably look confused when they see some of the stuff on here, and think "I thought that was obvious to everyone"...

Having Nestor narrate the show in no way suggests anything about Richards intentions, thoughts, background or otherwise. Sorry, but that duck dont fly... The use of phrases such as "no choice" and "only choice" are just dramatic devices to move the narrative along, without having to explain the full back story... otherwise, if they had explained all of Lockes options etc the show would have been 5 or 6 hours long.

The best thing to do with these shows is accept that they are canon, and they give a clean slate on certain points of discussion. If it contradicts a point of view or theory you hold, sorry, but get over it...

thank you-
someone who states it as it is-
i mean, come on- we are given this stuff as an aid- not to continue to throw us off-
what would be the point in doing a recap show and providing false information-

i mean again-
we never saw claires mom show claire's birth certificate, did we-
how do we know she is really who she says-
maybe she was hired by widmore to get aaron....
think about it....

i am being sarcastic, but i just love the conspiracy theories-

^ Thats the thing though isnt it? Your always going to second guess it until the evidence is right in fron of you. Despite this I for one really do believe Dan to be Eloise's son. Adopted at least, if not bioligically.

So. is Penny Daniel's half sister then? Perhaps they don't know.

For the record, I do think Eloise is Dan's mom, but I still think having the voice of Richard narrate is significant, especially considering the "different perspective" hype. We also had Michael Emerson narrate, and his narration seemed a bit suspect, too. I think I would be more likely to trust a narration by Jin or Hurley, a narrator who seems to have more heart and is less comfortable with telling lies.

So. is Penny Daniel's half sister then? Perhaps they don't know.

I think so.
I think that we may have a Luke and Leia situation in the offing, (and if I were the writers I would put this plot device in for no better reason than to give Mr Hugo Reyes and Mr James Ford, the opportunity for some of the best lines in TV history...). Whether anyone except Eloise is aware of the total situation or not remains to be seen.

wait a second.......who said Widmore was Daniel Faraday's Daddy?

I guess the question is whether or not the narration of this "episode" is canon. I'd say no. I don't know who wrote it, but I kind of doubt it's one of the Lost writers.
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wait a second.......who said Widmore was Daniel Faraday's Daddy?
Not me. He's his uncle.

Not me. He's his uncle.

I'm onboard with the Eloise/Charles sibling theory as well.

I don't think going off island in the 70's would really be going home. They really didn't have a choice except to stay with the D.I. Sawyer said they had to stay until Locke came back.


Agreed

^ Thats the thing though isnt it? Your always going to second guess it until the evidence is right in fron of you.

I guess that's why there's certain people who don't take anything said or shown on the show at face value. ;)

The best thing to do with these shows is accept that they are canon, and they give a clean slate on certain points of discussion. If it contradicts a point of view or theory you hold, sorry, but get over it...

/signed

tru

ik

thank you-
someone who states it as it is-
i mean, come on- we are given this stuff as an aid- not to continue to throw us off-
what would be the point in doing a recap show and providing false information-

i mean again-
we never saw claires mom show claire's birth certificate, did we-
how do we know she is really who she says-
maybe she was hired by widmore to get aaron....
think about it....

i am being sarcastic, but i just love the conspiracy theories-

Where are the conspiracy theories? All that's been said was that we don't have on the show confirmation that Hawking is Dan's mom. I'm certainly not saying she isn't, I believe that she is, but we don't know for certain.

As for Claire's mom, you're right, we don't know for sure that she is who she says she is. If someone wants claim that she isn't Claire's mother, they certainly can, and I wouldn't second guess them.

I would say it had already been confirmed. Desmond went to Widmore & asked where Faraday's mom was. Widmore gave him a piece of paper with the address & her name. Desmond showed up there, saying he was looking for Faraday's mom. I know they throw in twists sometimes, but this seemed pretty straightforward.

And then if it weren't straightforward enough (for the people who keep insisting that it's not engraved in stone), the "enhanced" episode popped up a bubble that said "This is Eloise Hawking, Daniel's mother" when everyone started arriving at the church. Any more straightforward and the actress would have to wear a sign around her neck that said "I AM DANIEL FARADAY'S MUM" for all future shoots.

-steve

Assuming that Eloise is Daniel's mom, (which I believe is obvious), a couple of questions remain...

Who is Daniel's father?
Was he an outsider? Did Eloise get banished from the island for the same reasons as Widmore, and is this why she lives off-island?