They did say it was Widmore who arranged and financed the phony 815 didn't they?

Yes, they did, but like I posted in you "Hawking" thread, they also said that the lefties had no choice but to join the DI, but that's not entirely true.

With mysteries like this, it seems lackluster to release these nuggets of info in enhanced episodes, or recaps. I wish they wouldn't do that. I'm sure it's a case where ABC decides what to air and Damon and Carlton aren't really involved. Hopefully we'll get some info during a podcast.

The narrator is a LIAR!
100%
Edit: If this is all true, then it's a big plot hole. All Boeing 777's are accounted for, and it would be easy to tell if it wasn't one with the robot cameras.

The narrator is a LIAR!

LOL. I think they should get Ben to do the narrating if they're going to play that way. :biggrin:

Yes, they did, but like I posted in you "Hawking" thread, they also said that the lefties had no choice but to join the DI, but that's not entirely true.

With mysteries like this, it seems lackluster to release these nuggets of info in enhanced episodes, or recaps. I wish they wouldn't do that. I'm sure it's a case where ABC decides what to air and Damon and Carlton aren't really involved. Hopefully we'll get some info during a podcast.

Lackluster to put the info in an enhanced episode, yet you want something mentioned in a podcast? If you are going to listen to the podcast, you are taking extra time anyhow, what's the problem if you are watching the episode again? Whether it's in an enhanced episode or a podcast, it still wasn't revealed in the normal airing of the episode so I don't see how one is better than the other in terms of acquiring info.

Lackluster to put the info in an enhanced episode, yet you want something mentioned in a podcast? If you are going to listen to the podcast, you are taking extra time anyhow, what's the problem if you are watching the episode again? Whether it's in an enhanced episode or a podcast, it still wasn't revealed in the normal airing of the episode so I don't see how one is better than the other in terms of acquiring info.

Eh, I don't think this is really new info. This was all but confirmed last week during SLIH when Naomi, who was working for Widmore and trying to recruit Miles to work for Widmore, took Miles to Felix's corpse to see if he could read his mind. It was a test. Naomi knew what Miles would see when he communed with Felix. If she didn't know what the right answer was, it wouldn't be much of a test.

Eh, I don't think this is really new info. This was all but confirmed last week during SLIH when Naomi, who was working for Widmore and trying to recruit Miles to work for Widmore, took Miles to Felix's corpse to see if he could read his mind. It was a test. Naomi knew what Miles would see when he communed with Felix. If she didn't know what the right answer was, it wouldn't be much of a test.

Oh I agree there, but when I started to explain it I realized it is also possible Felix was merely delivering evidence of Ben's activities. It's always good to have dirt on your enemy. I was just trying to understand why one way of getting info is better than the other when neither of them are the original episode.

Lackluster to put the info in an enhanced episode, yet you want something mentioned in a podcast? If you are going to listen to the podcast, you are taking extra time anyhow, what's the problem if you are watching the episode again? Whether it's in an enhanced episode or a podcast, it still wasn't revealed in the normal airing of the episode so I don't see how one is better than the other in terms of acquiring info.

On a previous podcast Carlton and Damon have stated ABC does the enhanced episodes and that they don't promise that everything repored in enhanced epsisodes is true since they can't always have someone review them. Due to this statement I'm not sure if something the narrator said in this episode comes from Carlton and Damon or ABC but my bet would be ABC.

On a previous podcast Carlton and Damon have stated ABC does the enhanced episodes and that they don't promise that everything repored in enhanced epsisodes is true since they can't always have someone review them. Due to this statement I'm not sure if something the narrator said in this episode comes from Carlton and Damon or ABC but my bet would be ABC.

That would make sense, I guess. ABC has a financial interest in trying to bring in new viewers, or catch up old viewers who missed some episodes. Rather than be cryptic, as our writers often are for the sake of dramatic effect, it would make sense that ABC would have an independent copy writer draft a summary of what's happened, at least from a viewer's perspective. That would lead to directly stating things that can be inferred by piecing things together that have not been overtly stated by the writers.

On a previous podcast Carlton and Damon have stated ABC does the enhanced episodes and that they don't promise that everything repored in enhanced epsisodes is true since they can't always have someone review them. Due to this statement I'm not sure if something the narrator said in this episode comes from Carlton and Damon or ABC but my bet would be ABC.

I know; I think they mentioned this a while ago. Re-reading his post I think maybe Todd didn't know this and that is the info he is hoping to hear in a podcast.

On a previous podcast Carlton and Damon have stated ABC does the enhanced episodes and that they don't promise that everything repored in enhanced epsisodes is true since they can't always have someone review them. Due to this statement I'm not sure if something the narrator said in this episode comes from Carlton and Damon or ABC but my bet would be ABC.

I am pretty sure, that while some people will see this post as vindication to accept that NOTHING in the recap show is accurate, what they actually mean by that statement is that in checking the recap shows' veracity, the Lost team may miss the odd small point. They would not let stuff out if it hadnt been viewed, at least on a cursory level. They have multi million dollar secrecy contracts signed with the makers of any show that reveals anything from the show in an official capacity. They review these shows before broadcast...
So an OFFICIAL Lost documentary?!?!? Come on guys...
How dumb would they look if ABC say something like "Richard Alpert, who will next season be revealed as Vincents brother, and the son of Shannon and Hurley"...

"Oh damn... ABC, you let the cat out of the bag, we should havewatched that documentary pre-broadcast... never mind you owe us $3 million..." Yeah right..

It is not a wholly independant broadcast, as they have a cast member narrating it, and one who probably has a few clues as to some of the REAL secrets..."

Sorry, guys but the main points in these shows stand, the odd little point like was mentioned in the other thread ("Lockes only option" etc...) are the bits they are referring to...

Lackluster to put the info in an enhanced episode, yet you want something mentioned in a podcast? If you are going to listen to the podcast, you are taking extra time anyhow, what's the problem if you are watching the episode again? Whether it's in an enhanced episode or a podcast, it still wasn't revealed in the normal airing of the episode so I don't see how one is better than the other in terms of acquiring info.

That's because Damon and Carlton are not involved in the enhanced episodes, but they are the ones doing the podcasts, therefore I take what they say as cannon. I didn't say that I didn't like info being released in the enhanced episodes because it's a waste of time watching them.

That's because Damon and Carlton are not involved in the enhanced episodes, but they are the ones doing the podcasts, therefore I take what they say as cannon. I didn't say that I didn't like info being released in the enhanced episodes because it's a waste of time watching them.

The thing is, though, that Carlton and Damon, are more likely to give spurious information than others who have checked their veracity against the show. How often have they said stuff like "NO Time Travel, no siree, not in this show... never ever" and we've all gone Zombie Sheep; "'duuuuuhhh, nooo tiiiime traaaveeeellll, coz Daaamoooon and Caaaaaarltooooon said soooooo....."???
(They can get round that by saying we never said THAT, we said the "characters" dont time travel... It was the ISLAND that time travelled, so there...)

It's pretty funny that anyone who says anything true about the future or secrets of the show would get sued megabucks, but the creators can say any old bolox and we just go, "d'OK..."

I love reading the, "but Damon an' Carlton say..." posts, I just want to keep saying, "BUT THEY TELL LIES!!!! LIKE BEN LINUS IN A LYING COMPETITION, IN LYING LAND.... DONT BELIEVE THEM!!!! THEY ARE IMPISH TRICKSTERS, AND EVERY TIME A FAN PUTS UP A POST THAT IS TOO NEAR TO THE TRUTH, THEY ISSUE A PRESS STATEMENT OR PODCAST AND DEBUNK IT!!!! "

Please dont mistake this comment for criticism, it is meant light heartedly... If I were in charge of a project like this I would do exactly the same and I think they do a hell of a job running this mammoth enterprise and putting up with all of us!!! Though, I honestly believe that if someone starts to get too close to the truth, and they catch wind of it, they debunk it simply to maintain the long term enjoyment of the whole show... There are guys out there on TV "reviewing the show andsing fans theories verbatim from blogs and forums...

These theories get into the mainstream, and if too close to fact, need to be suppressed

How would we all feel if someone came up with a full theory, and one of the crew admitted that it was right during a Q&A at a Con' a whole year before it is shown on TV...


I know to some this will seem as sacrilege, or blasphemy, or whichever...
To those people I apologise, but they do tell lies...;)

i feel it was widmore's coverup and they confirmed it last night-
that is a pretty big 'misinformation' if not-

whoever said they may miss the littel things, but wouldnt let something like that skip is on the right track

How often have they said stuff like "NO Time Travel, no siree, not in this show... never ever"
Never.
100%
I'm 98% sure that the narrative was written by some ABC staff writers, with no inside information whatsoever, only trying to summarize what we've all already seen, and that no actual Lost writer even watched this before airing.

How often have they said stuff like "NO Time Travel, no siree, not in this show... never ever"

There is one instance you could be referring to, and that is not what was said.

“We’re still trying to be … firmly ensconced in the world of science fact. I don’t think we’ve shown anything on the show yet … that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and … things being in a place where they probably shouldn’t be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn’t any time travel.”

See, this was from an interview during Season 1. At this point they were trying to make everything scientifically provable, but he is only referring to the show at that point in time. As time goes on and the show progresses, I remember reading them say there is pseudo-science in the show, meaning that there are at least theories to partially explain what we've seen.

Talking about the show in it's first season, when they've admitted they didn't preset Lost to ABC as a sci-fi show, and comparing it to now reminds me of a Kevin Smith quote. When he first started making movies, he claimed he would never direct a movie he didn't write. Well, now he's making a movie he didn't write. Things change. People change. Ideas change.

Looking back at it now it seems like Damon was only mentioning the absence of time-travel and aliens as a way to explain what we saw in Season 1. And in Season 1 we never saw anything that was directly related to the time travel we have now.

The thing is, though, that Carlton and Damon, are more likely to give spurious information than others who have checked their veracity against the show. How often have they said stuff like "NO Time Travel, no siree, not in this show... never ever" and we've all gone Zombie Sheep; "'duuuuuhhh, nooo tiiiime traaaveeeellll, coz Daaamoooon and Caaaaaarltooooon said soooooo....."???
(They can get round that by saying we never said THAT, we said the "characters" dont time travel... It was the ISLAND that time travelled, so there...)

It's pretty funny that anyone who says anything true about the future or secrets of the show would get sued megabucks, but the creators can say any old bolox and we just go, "d'OK..."

I love reading the, "but Damon an' Carlton say..." posts, I just want to keep saying, "BUT THEY TELL LIES!!!! LIKE BEN LINUS IN A LYING COMPETITION, IN LYING LAND.... DONT BELIEVE THEM!!!! THEY ARE IMPISH TRICKSTERS, AND EVERY TIME A FAN PUTS UP A POST THAT IS TOO NEAR TO THE TRUTH, THEY ISSUE A PRESS STATEMENT OR PODCAST AND DEBUNK IT!!!! "

Please dont mistake this comment for criticism, it is meant light heartedly... If I were in charge of a project like this I would do exactly the same and I think they do a hell of a job running this mammoth enterprise and putting up with all of us!!! Though, I honestly believe that if someone starts to get too close to the truth, and they catch wind of it, they debunk it simply to maintain the long term enjoyment of the whole show... There are guys out there on TV "reviewing the show andsing fans theories verbatim from blogs and forums...

These theories get into the mainstream, and if too close to fact, need to be suppressed

How would we all feel if someone came up with a full theory, and one of the crew admitted that it was right during a Q&A at a Con' a whole year before it is shown on TV...


I know to some this will seem as sacrilege, or blasphemy, or whichever...
To those people I apologise, but they do tell lies...;)

I agree, lies are told and doesn't that just fit right in with one of the themes in LOST?
Why wasn't that just left alone in the narration, why was it said that Widmore did it? Seems as if Widmore or Ben could have found an easier way to sidetrack the FTSB if its even possible that the FTSB could be tricked. Paying them off or blackmail/extortion would be a more probable scenario and cheaper. Maybe both of them did it, before the real plane crash? :biggrin:

how dumb would they look if abc say something like "richard alpert, who will next season be revealed as vincents brother, and the son of shannon and hurley"...

AH HA! I knew it!

Talking about the show in it's first season, when they've admitted they didn't preset Lost to ABC as a sci-fi show, and comparing it to now reminds me of a Kevin Smith quote. When he first started making movies, he claimed he would never direct a movie he didn't write. Well, now he's making a movie he didn't write. Things change. People change. Ideas change.

Looking back at it now it seems like Damon was only mentioning the absence of time-travel and aliens as a way to explain what we saw in Season 1. And in Season 1 we never saw anything that was directly related to the time travel we have now.

The point still stands, in fact re-inforced by your statement, that the veracity and accuracy of something is just as likely to come from an observed, officially endorsed documentary, as it is from the creators... Whether it is because they lie, change their minds, forget what they've said... Whatever reason...

To dismiss the recap shows because they werent executively editted by C&D is just daft...
As daft as taking them at their every word as gospel...

to quote the title of the thread...
"Widmore arranged and financed the phony 815"... indeed he did...

LOL. I think they should get Ben to do the narrating if they're going to play that way. :biggrin:

That was hilarious, and then I thought it would have been great to have ME do the narration! I would have given a better note to the...whatchamacallit? Epi/documentary? Whatever...

I started to believe Widmore when he came clean to Locke about the mercenaries. Not necessarily about the fake wreckage, but about his determination to get Ben Linus. But last week's epi, through Miles, we did not get confirmation that Widmore did buy the plane and had the graves dug up for the cover up. So to me, the fact it was mentioned in the horrible filler we had this Wednesday wasn't new...it seemed put there for misderection. It simply confuses what was told through the storylines in SLIH:

MILES: His name's Felix. He was... on his way to deliver something to, uh...
[The whispering continues.]
MILES: A guy named... Wid-more.
NAOMI: Deliver what?
MILES: A bunch of papers, photos, pictures... of... [the whispering continues] empty graves. A purchase order... for an old airplane.
[Miles puts his head in his hands. Naomi zips up the body bag.]
MILES: [Sighs] So... did I pass?

The info Miles gets doesn't incriminate Widmore at all. This could very well mean that Widmore himself was getting proof about someone else trying to cover up 0815. Perhaps those behind Bram's team.

2 cents,

Eric

The point still stands, in fact re-inforced by your statement, that the veracity and accuracy of something is just as likely to come from an observed, officially endorsed documentary, as it is from the creators... Whether it is because they lie, change their minds, forget what they've said... Whatever reason...

No, you said that Darlton is more likely to mislead fans than a clip show. That just isn't true. You claim that they lie all the time, and this has not been my experience. I've listened to all of the podcasts except the most recent one and they avoid answering questions rather than lying. They may joke around about the Hurley bird or whatnot, but they rarely flat out lie. And when it comes to an issue that hasn't clearly been confirmed in the show, they tend to each argue one side of as not to give away something that will be coming up.