Long beard Jack tells kate he "has been" taking flights across the world, hoping it would crash. This implies he has done this multiple weekends. He does not learn of Locke's death until his latest flight, on the plane when the flight attendant. It seems as though Locke kills himself right after he meets with Jack at the airport. Unless Locke's body hangs in that hotel for weeks...this doesn't really leave time for Jack to grow out the beard, visit hurley, and fly all over the world.

Long beard Jack tells kate he "has been" taking flights across the world, hoping it would crash. This implies he has done this multiple weekends. He does not learn of Locke's death until his latest flight, on the plane when the flight attendant. It seems as though Locke kills himself right after he meets with Jack at the airport. Unless Locke's body hangs in that hotel for weeks...this doesn't really leave time for Jack to grow out the beard, visit hurley, and fly all over the world.
Locke did not kill himself Ben killed him.
Jack spoke with Locke in the hospital after Ben killed Abaddon.
After that encounter is when Jack started hi flying all over the world.
He did not speak with Ben until after Ben had killed Locke.
From "There's No Place Like Home":

BEN: When did you speak to him?
JACK: About a month ago.

Jack could have made five trips for it to still have been about a month and he would have had time to grow his beard in about a month.

Locke did not kill himself Ben killed him.
Jack spoke with Locke in the hospital after Ben killed Abaddon.
After that encounter is when Jack started hi flying all over the world.
He did not speak with Ben until after Ben had killed Locke.
From "There's No Place Like Home":

Jack could have made five trips for it to still have been about a month and he would have had time to grow his beard in about a month.

Also, Jack's beard was already pretty decent when he was Locke's doc.

Yeah, Jack was already carrying that scruffy, unshaven look at the time.

NBC, I agree with your timeline.

didnt we also here him say i believe in s3 Finale that he has been using his golden ticket think to fly every friday night after work. straight to sydney and straight back

a month is a long time to be lying in a coffin!

i think they screwed the timeline.

a month is a long time to be lying in a coffin!

i think they screwed the timeline.

Locke had not been dead for a month. Jack talked to Locke about a month ago when he was still alive.
Jack goes and sees Hurley and Hurley tells him he's going to have a visitor.
Christian visits Jack.
Jack speaks with Locke in the hospital.
Jack starts taking the plane trips.
Ben kills Locke
Jack talks to Ben at funeral parlor

Ben could have just been exploiting the fact that Jack had already been flying every Friday night - just to give Locke enough hope to step off the ledge. Ben is a manipulator of the truth.

Jack had already been visited by his father, and already started his downslide.

michael, that's what i think. ben is such a liar. he never says the truth no matter what situation he is in. he always wants those he's with to think he has the upper hand.

a few are onto him!

and i've said it before, i love your avatar!

and i've said it before, i love your avatar!

Dharma Dynamics?:biggrin:

No, she liked my prior avatar, a cap of Kate in the trees from S1. I am enjoying Fringe though.

Either Locke was dead and lying in a coffin for a month, or the timeline doesn't work. Ben kills Locke after he says that Jack booked a ticket. Full beard Jack tells Kate that he has been flying alot. (and this is ridiculous. Whether you want to crash or not, flying back and forth to Sydney is no easy thing.) He finds out Jeremy Bentham is dead while in the air on one of his flights. His beard is advanced by this point. He goes and talks to Kate. There is a time gap that makes no sense. I have no issue with this, as it's TV, but it is a discrepancy.

By the way, who placed the obit? Did I miss this? And who ponied for the service?

Either Locke was dead and lying in a coffin for a month, or the timeline doesn't work. Ben kills Locke after he says that Jack booked a ticket. Full beard Jack tells Kate that he has been flying alot. (and this is ridiculous. Whether you want to crash or not, flying back and forth to Sydney is no easy thing.) He finds out Jeremy Bentham is dead while in the air on one of his flights. His beard is advanced by this point. He goes and talks to Kate. There is a time gap that makes no sense. I have no issue with this, as it's TV, but it is a discrepancy.

By the way, who placed the obit? Did I miss this? And who ponied for the service?
Ben lied to Locke because Ben had not spoken to any of the O6 except for Sayid until after he had killed Locke. Why would it be hard to fly back and forth from Sydney for Jack? The O6 got "Oceanic Airlines Golden Tickets" as part of their settlements.

Jack goes and sees Hurley and Hurley tells him he's going to have a visitor.
Christian visits Jack.
Jack starts losing it.
Jack breaks up with Kate.
Jack speaks with Jeremy Bentham in the hospital. Jack's beard is already starting to grow.
Jack starts taking the weekend plane trips.
4 weekends = 4 trips
Ben kills Jeremy Bentham. Jeremy Bentham's bruises were healing so it was not immediately after he spoke with Jack in the hospital that Ben killed him.
5th trip is the trip Jack booked the night that Ben killed Jeremy Bentham. On that trip home Jack reads about Jeremy Bentham meets Kate at the airport with full beard. Then he goes to the funeral parlor.
Jack talks to Ben at the funeral parlor.

BEN: When did you speak to him?
JACK: About a month ago.

5 weekends = about a month.
I do not see any problem with the timeline.
I posted this before but have added some more details.

We still don't know who posted the obit or who paid for the viewing.

a flight from LA to Sydney, at best, takes 14 hours. Ever sit in a plane for 14 hours? Sometimes it's worth it...But not just to turn around and go back for 14 hours.

a flight from LA to Sydney, at best, takes 14 hours. Ever sit in a plane for 14 hours? Sometimes it's worth it...But not just to turn around and go back for 14 hours.
He did not go to Sydney every Friday.

JACK: I've been flying a lot.
KATE: What?
JACK: Yeah that golden pass that they gave us. I, I've been using it. Every Friday night I, I fly from LA to Tokyo or, Singapore, Sydney. [Laughs] And then I, I get off and I, have a drink, and then I fly home.
So as I said I see no problem with the time line.

ETA
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Then what you are really saying is that you have an issue with the fact that someone (Jack) chooses to sit on a plane for hours and then turn aound and sit on a plane for hours again?

Well,NBC, we'll have to agree to disagree. We go back to the same moment and draw different conclusions. I say that John attempts to kill himself, and succeeds with help, soon after he talks to Jack. Ben says that Jack booked a ticket. He has no idea whether John will spill his connection then, so I say he didn't lie because he'd get caught out. A month later, advanced beard Jack sees John in a coffin.

A month hanging (pretty grody)
or A month in a coffin.

As I said, I see a problem with the timeline.

Well,NBC, we'll have to agree to disagree. We go back to the same moment and draw different conclusions. I say that John attempts to kill himself, and succeeds with help, soon after he talks to Jack. Ben says that Jack booked a ticket. He has no idea whether John will spill his connection then, so I say he didn't lie because he'd get caught out. A month later, advanced beard Jack sees John in a coffin.

A month hanging (pretty grody)
or A month in a coffin.

As I said, I see a problem with the timeline.
First of all it it could easily have been a Friday night that Ben killed Jeremy Bentham and Jack is already on the plane flying to Sydney.

Second If Ben did lie why would Ben worry this time about being caught in a lie he has never worried about it before. He has been known to say so I lied.

Third newspapers are printed everyday so for Jack to have been reading about Jeremy in a newspaper on his return flight doesn't make a timeline problem.

Third Locke looked pretty good in his coffin for someone who would have been hanging around dead from the rafters for a month or lying in a coffin for a month.

Fourth if someone is dead for a month either before or after being seen by a mortician there would be no open casket.

I just don't understand where you see a time line issue.

As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. Every one of your points seems to me to be glaring proof of a timeline problem. Even the obit itself doesn't track for your theory, in my opinion. In the interest of not going around and around about it, and since we seem to be the only people playing in this particular sandbox, let's see we agree that each thinks the other is wrong.



....but I'm right.

(kidding, kidding)

Also, where did John think Jack booked a ticket to? John himself didn't know where to go at that point.

Every one of your points seems to me to be glaring proof of a timeline problem.
I'm sorry but this statement makes no sense.
Even the obit itself doesn't track for your theory, in my opinion.
How so?

Also, where did John think Jack booked a ticket to? John himself didn't know where to go at that point.
BEN: Jack booked a ticket.
LOCKE: What?
BEN: A plane ticket from Los Angeles to Sydney. Tonight. Return trip first thing in the morning.
BEN: Whatever you said to him, John, it worked. And if you got Jack, you can get the rest of them.

Just the fact that he was going to Sydney and back made Locke feel like Jack believed him that they had to go back.

So we disagree to disagree but do not make a blanket satement, without backing it up, and say that my points have anything to do with making you believe the way you do. It seems to me you will not change your mind because you, along with a number of other people, seem to be always looking for discrepancies and errors and no matter how many points posted prove that there was no discrepancy or error you are going to keep saying that there are discrepancies and errors.

Well,NBC, we'll have to agree to disagree. We go back to the same moment and draw different conclusions. I say that John attempts to kill himself, and succeeds with help, soon after he talks to Jack. Ben says that Jack booked a ticket. He has no idea whether John will spill his connection then, so I say he didn't lie because he'd get caught out. A month later, advanced beard Jack sees John in a coffin.

A month hanging (pretty grody)
or A month in a coffin.

As I said, I see a problem with the timeline.

So what you say is that theres a timeline problem because John killed himself just after talking to Jack in the hospital? It doesnt mean that just because the scenes follow each other. Its off-Island time, so not every day matters.
I think that if you accuse the show in an error, you should back it up with good proof, because it cant be something debatable like a theory. And it looks like NBC proved you wrong. and I didnt understand why you didnt find his points valid. Jack flying back and forth? no problem here. Ben lying to Locke? nothing new here. Locke in a coffin for a month? makes less sense, and there would be no open casket.

Damn, now there's two of you.

The incorrect thinking: Locke killed himself a month after the meeting with Jack.....

The reason that is wrong: When Locke enters the hotel room and commits suicide, with help from Ben, he is wearing the same pants as at the cemetary. The cast is none the worse for wear. The scratches on his face are exactly the same as in the hospital. Yes, I know Lospedia says it's a month later.....but there's no title card that says "One Month Later" I assume they're just trying to repair the timeline discrepancy. There's the physical evidence.
Practical evidence is this. Widmore expects Locke to get these people to come back, so does Linus. They have some urgency about it, even before the "deadline" gets revealed. DId they really leave him alone for a month to stew in his own juices just so Linus could break in at EXACTLY the right moment to save him "about a month" later? Especially when neither of them know why Locke doesn't go and see Sun.
Seems like they'd prod him a little bit, don't you think? Seems like Widmore might send someone to see just what happened to his man, Abaddon. Does it make sense that they just let him sit around for a month, doing nothing but shopping for good strong exension cords? I submit that the answer is no.

So, now I'm taking this evidence as proof that Locke dies one month before Jack says he saw John "about a month ago" Things I can see and things I am told lead me to believe that my theory holds. Forget what Ben says, if you want. Forget about the beard issue. Use these questions as a base.....

Was Jack flying back and forth before Locke drops that "Your Dad says 'Hello'" line on him?
Was Jack lying about when he last saw Locke?

If the answer to both is "No", then you seem bound to agree that Locke was in a coffin, or hanging by a cord, or a combination of the two....for "about a month"

Now, someone else may come on and show a bunch of screencaps to sell his point. This is very similar to the LAW biz. They'll show what supports their theory. Which is why I didn't. Check for yourself. Judge the pics for yourself. "Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

Both our theories rest on conjecture. Your's is based on two things, unless I am missing something. Ben always lies (Not true. Ben has no compunction about lying. He can tell the truth if it suits him. ) If I were right, it would screw up the timeline.

Now, after all that because I am just responding to another's theory, and I have no interest in fighting....I concede. It's my last word on this thread. I concede.

I see your point now Piecar, and it could make sense both ways. Too bad it wasnt clear enough on the show, but as long as theres a good explanation (even if theres another one that contradicts it) without holes in it, Im satisfied.

Damn, now there's two of you.

The incorrect thinking: Locke killed himself a month after the meeting with Jack.....

The reason that is wrong: When Locke enters the hotel room and commits suicide, with help from Ben, he is wearing the same pants as at the cemetary. The cast is none the worse for wear. The scratches on his face are exactly the same as in the hospital. Yes, I know Lospedia says it's a month later.....but there's no title card that says "One Month Later" I assume they're just trying to repair the timeline discrepancy. There's the physical evidence.
Locke visiting Walt
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124655&fullsize=1
Locke after visiting Kate
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124711&fullsize=1
Locke at cemetary
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124716&fullsize=1
Locke in hotle room
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124794&fullsize=1
Locke in hospital
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124736&fullsize=1
Locke in hotel room
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124773&fullsize=1
Locke is not wearing the same pants he had on at the cemetary. The ones he had on in the hotel room seem to be closer in color to the ones he had on while visiting Walt.

His wounds do appear to have healed some but not completely from my point of view. He is not on the Island thus his healing takes longer.

I did not go to lostpedia at all to draw up my conclusions in fact I did not and still do not know that comment is even posted on Lostpedia


When Locke enters the hotel room and commits suicide.
That is entirely wrong.
Locke was contemplating and on the verge of commiting suicide but the fact is he did not complete the actual action thus he did not commit suicide Ben murdered Locke.

So I think your physical evidence is wrong.
Your physical evidence that you have used actually backs up my conclusions.

So the correct thinking is that Ben killed Locke a month after speaking with Jack.

uhh...K.....( not technically a word, so I am....oh. Darn.)