So I usually don't post threads like this, but

Does anybody remember the Other, Jason?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_(Other)

maybe I was seeing things, but I swore that the guy who told Dan to put on a hard hat in the Orchid was the same guy.

It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense since Jason seems to be pretty young, so in 1977 he'd either be a toddler or not born yet.

Guess I will have to wait for screencaps.

Jason was one of my favorite Others. I don't remember what the guy looked like from this episode, but I'm sure I would've noticed something since I was a big Jason fan. If it turns out not to be him, don't sweat it because there are quite a few look-a-likes in this shows history. :)

Guess I will have to wait for screencaps.Here ya go!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5707/hardhat.jpg

Here ya go!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5707/hardhat.jpg

ok that is DEFINITELY him
what is going on here? Is this a casting oversight or have the Others infiltrated Dharma?

Yeah I saw him too. What's up with that? He was a fairly prominant background other.

Nice catch! But I have heard of TPTB reusing extras on this show. So Who knows???

Nice catch! But I have heard of TPTB reusing extras on this show. So Who knows???

Yeah it does kind of look like him. Maybe they thought nobody would notice since the lighting is dark and he has a hat on. :biggrin:

Reusing extras is one thing, be he was a named character, featured in several episodes prominently. Reusing him as a different character would be a major screwup if you ask me.
Compare these two pictures, it's definitely the same actor:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lost/images/b/b6/AristonGreen.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5707/hardhat.jpg

I reuploaded it for you. Seems imageshack is having issues.
I threw the picture of the actor in it too.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1797/hardhat2.jpg

I reuploaded it for you. Seems imageshack is having issues.
I threw the picture of the actor in it too.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1797/hardhat2.jpg

haha
thanks man!

No problem :)

It was definitely Jason. Me and half of the group I was watching it GASPED when he showed up. We had to pause it to explain who we thought he was and we rewinded it. We all pretty much agreed that it was him. It CANNOT be a casting oversight, he had MANY lines in season 3, and if all they needed was for someone to say "Hey you need a hard hat", then they could have just threw in a PA. I think this was a clever way to show that the Lostaways, and a few casualties, get thrown back into the future.

Why wouldn't the Hostiles have spies? I think it would be a good idea to have a few in with the DI.

Really hope this isn't a casting oversight.
It would make sense for the Others to have people infiltrated in DI, but like I said, Jason would have been incredibly young in 1977, if born at all, so would this mean some Others traveled back in time along with the Lefties?
I think many of us have been wondering about that ever since the time-skips started... this might be the clue we need.
After all, Juliette skipped through time and she was an other. It's reasonable to assume that Jason was a new recruit just like Juliette, and so he should skip as well.

Really hope this isn't a casting oversight.
It would make sense for the Others to have people infiltrated in DI, but like I said, Jason would have been incredibly young in 1977, if born at all, so would this mean some Others traveled back in time along with the Lefties?
I think many of us have been wondering about that ever since the time-skips started... this might be the clue we need.
After all, Juliette skipped through time and she was an other. It's reasonable to assume that Jason was a new recruit just like Juliette, and so he should skip as well.
I would be severely disappointed if it was lazy casting. And I just don't see how it could be. Maybe for a background part, but not for someone with lines. I really think that was a very pointed "hey check this out"!


It was definitely Jason. Me and half of the group I was watching it GASPED when he showed up. We had to pause it to explain who we thought he was and we rewinded it. We all pretty much agreed that it was him. It CANNOT be a casting oversight, he had MANY lines in season 3, and if all they needed was for someone to say "Hey you need a hard hat", then they could have just threw in a PA. I think this was a clever way to show that the Lostaways, and a few casualties, get thrown back into the future.
That is a hell of an idea! So Jason was supposed to be in the 70s, he didn't come back with the losties. But he gets thrown forward in time when they eventually return. Cool!

Only problem with that would be we wouldn't expect them to get thrown to 2004. For convienience sake, I would expect them to pop back to 2007 or 2008 to move the story along with John and the gang. Hmm hmm hmmmm...

Possibly a hint of things to come?

honestly my opinion for a while has been- Hostiles have spies, or have converted Dharma members.

I dont think this is an error.

Jason would have been incredibly young in 1977, if born at all, so would this mean some Others traveled back in time along with the Lefties?


Maybe Richard isn't the only "immortal" on the island. Mabye there are more ageless members of some "original tribe" that still live on the island and always have for thousands of years, so perhaps Jason is one of them. Plus, it seems the act of infiltrating DHARMA, and any group of people who land on THEIR island, is on page one of their handbook, it's the first thing they do to gain knowlege about the new visitors. It makes plenty of sense.... this is a perfect little Easter Egg.

Maybe there's nottime travel for him involved and he's kind of like richard alpert.....though richard's age could be linked to time travel..so maybe there is...but yeah, definitely him and definitely a Hostile spy.

I'd say it's either two really similar looking actors, the same actor being recast or he's a spy.

I honestly didn't recognize him. He was pretty minor and didn't have many lines, so I had totally forgotten him. I'm sure most casual viewers wouldn't recognize him.

You do have to remember that they have limited casting options in Hawaii. And they have reused minor, backround actors (Charlie's Priest/Hurley's Scooter Guy, Oceanic Stewardess/Oxford Secretary).

Maybe Richard isn't the only "immortal" on the island. Mabye there are more ageless members of some "original tribe" that still live on the island and always have for thousands of years, so perhaps Jason is one of them. Plus, it seems the act of infiltrating DHARMA, and any group of people who land on THEIR island, is on page one of their handbook, it's the first thing they do to gain knowlege about the new visitors. It makes plenty of sense.... this is a perfect little Easter Egg.

Don't you think if he were one of the "originals" he would have attained a more lofty rank among the others than just a lowly grunt on the security team?

I'm sticking with the theory that he flashed-back along with the Lefties and somehow infiltrated DI as well. Perhaps he is just there trying to stay alive, not even working with the Others of that era yet. But it would make more sense for him to be a spy.

It wouldn't be the first time they reused an actor for a different role. Remember the woman who played the Oceanic gate woman that Hurley hugged also played the Oxford administrator that Desmond talked to. (In one case with an Australian accent, in the other case with an English one.)

It wouldn't be the first time they reused an actor for a different role. Remember the woman who played the Oceanic gate woman that Hurley hugged also played the Oxford administrator that Desmond talked to. (In one case with an Australian accent, in the other case with an English one.)

Yeah, but they only did that because they needed a woman with an English accent. For this guy, they could have just got any working stiff off the street and asked if they wanted to give a line. There has to be some significance to recasting an actor who had a character with a name, appeared in numerous episodes, and said many lines (even if most of them were "Ryan!"). There are too many alternate ways to get the scene done without casting him.

Didn't Jason die in 2004?

Yeah, but they only did that because they needed a woman with an English accent. For this guy, they could have just got any working stiff off the street and asked if they wanted to give a line. There has to be some significance to recasting an actor who had a character with a name, appeared in numerous episodes, and said many lines (even if most of them were "Ryan!"). There are too many alternate ways to get the scene done without casting him.
I'm pretty sure they can't just grab any working stiff off the street due to SAG rules. He's credited as 'workman' according to imdb, but that doesn't mean much. He looks to be a Hawaiian based actor, so he's around and familiar. I wouldn't say it's a stretch that they just re-used him, but also wouldn't be shocked if it is something deeper.

Don't you think if he were one of the "originals" he would have attained a more lofty rank among the others than just a lowly grunt on the security team?

I'm sticking with the theory that he flashed-back along with the Lefties and somehow infiltrated DI as well. Perhaps he is just there trying to stay alive, not even working with the Others of that era yet. But it would make more sense for him to be a spy.


What makes you think they have ranks? Richard is clearly very old, and the dude ain't EVER in charge. We've seen him take orders from Ben, Eloise, Charles, Jacob, and even Locke is being groomed as his new leader. So mabye they exist to serve what's best for the island, nothing more.

could be his father

What makes you think they have ranks? Richard is clearly very old, and the dude ain't EVER in charge. We've seen him take orders from Ben, Eloise, Charles, Jacob, and even Locke is being groomed as his new leader. So mabye they exist to serve what's best for the island, nothing more.

I don't think I've ever seen Richard really take orders from anyone. He seems to be in a pretty "untouchable" rank. If he broke orders I doubt anyone would do anything about it. As we have seen more than once, he has taken charge of the Others, or defied their apparent leadership with his own directives.
It's pretty clear that his goal is to find the person to rightfully lead the Others, and so he is a special case. Comparing him with any other member of the Others isn't valid.

I don't think they have traditional ranks per se, but they certainly have a pecking order.
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Didn't Jason die in 2004?

Good memory...according to Lostpedia:

While Hurley ran Pryce over with the DHARMA van, Sayid tripped Jason, and with his legs, broke Jason's neck, killing him.

So yeah, I guess he did die. This makes it impossible for him to have "flashed back" in time with the rest of the Lefties.

Unless we have another "ageless Alpert" on our hands here (which I strongly doubt), it's looking more and more like this was just a casting oversight. :rolleyes:

I still find it strange though, since the very brief exchange between Faraday and him could have easily just been left out of the episode.

I don't think I've ever seen Richard really take orders from anyone. He seems to be in a pretty "untouchable" rank. If he broke orders I doubt anyone would do anything about it. As we have seen more than once, he has taken charge of the Others, or defied their apparent leadership with his own directives.
It's pretty clear that his goal is to find the person to rightfully lead the Others, and so he is a special case. Comparing him with any other member of the Others isn't valid.

I don't think they have traditional ranks per se, but they certainly have a pecking order.
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So yeah, I guess he did die. This makes it impossible for him to have "flashed back" in time with the rest of the Lefties.

Unless we have another "ageless Alpert" on our hands here (which I strongly doubt), it's looking more and more like this was just a casting oversight. :rolleyes:

I still find it strange though, since the very brief exchange between Faraday and him could have easily just been left out of the episode.

You missed my point and yet you proved my point. I'm saying that why is Richard the only "ageless" one? I'm saying it's possible that some members of the Others/Hostiles are an ageless group who have lived on the island for perhaps thousands of years, and Jason could be one of them. They only really care about protecting the island and the Temple, like Buddist monks they have no rank nor really answer to anyone. And who seek a new leader every few years, So we've only really met Richard as one of these possible "original" tribesmen, why is it so hard to think it's possible there's more, and why wouldn't the sight of Jason in 1977 prove this (if it's even him)... it's exactly how we knew Richard didn't age, he showed up in Ben's flashback, fresh as a daisy, showing no signs of age. So it doesn't matter if Jason dies in 2004, and shows up in 1977... becuase he was always there, spying on DHARMA most likely. Maybe even sabotaging the Swan station and the Orchid, causing the "incident" and a first attempt at a purge.

Yeah I saw him too. What's up with that? He was a fairly prominant background other.

sayid snapped his neck with his legs during the beach attack

Its possible its Jason if its like FlapJoy said, and he's like Richard that spies on Dharma.
But if Sayid broke his neck, wouldnt it mean Richard also can die so simply?
Im sorry but Richard is much more cooler than that, so this must be wrong..

I don't think I've ever seen Richard really take orders from anyone. He seems to be in a pretty "untouchable" rank. If he broke orders I doubt anyone would do anything about it. As we have seen more than once, he has taken charge of the Others, or defied their apparent leadership with his own directives.
It's pretty clear that his goal is to find the person to rightfully lead the Others, and so he is a special case. Comparing him with any other member of the Others isn't valid.

I don't think they have traditional ranks per se, but they certainly have a pecking order.
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Good memory...according to Lostpedia:



So yeah, I guess he did die. This makes it impossible for him to have "flashed back" in time with the rest of the Lefties.

Unless we have another "ageless Alpert" on our hands here (which I strongly doubt), it's looking more and more like this was just a casting oversight. :rolleyes:

I still find it strange though, since the very brief exchange between Faraday and him could have easily just been left out of the episode.

That's why I originally thought that putting Jason in the scene was a foreshadowing of what is to come. Whatever Jack does now will probably flash them back to their present time, or maybe the cosmic limbo that Sun, Ben and Lapidus are in now. When the flash happens, some original Dharma folk get flashed into different periods, some of them being adopted by the Others (Jason being one of them).

Concerning Jason just being a "workman", why would they cast someone that is so prevalent to deliver a line that is not that important. If Darlton had a problem (and I don't think that it would be one) casting someone to say "you need a hard hat down here" and Jack Bender came to them and said, "Hey, all we got is Jason...and Sayid snapped his neck in season 3", wouldn't Darlton say, "Oh ok. Faraday is an intuitive enough guy to put a hard hat on in a work site. Kill the line". Why have the character/line at all if it was going to commit a continuity error?

Its possible its Jason if its like FlapJoy said, and he's like Richard that spies on Dharma.
But if Sayid broke his neck, wouldnt it mean Richard also can die so simply?
Im sorry but Richard is much more cooler than that, so this must be wrong..

It's possible Richard can die just as easily, and may suffer mortal wounds that don't kill them. In a normal situation they might have died from serious injuries; but on the island, not so much. However, a neck snap would kill Jason instantly regardless. Richard does often seem worried when threatened, (Like Daniel pointing a gun at him) so he may be mortal after all, just very strong, healthy, and resistant to most injury and disease (some regard aging as technically a disease). So if Richard stays unharmed, he could live on indefinitely.... 100 years, 300 years, 1000 years. I would just love to think that Richard represents the original islanders, perhaps even natives, that live in the backround and do for and speak for the island... we've never really seen that many of the others. Not as many as we've seen of the Dharma folks, or Losties. We know almost nothing about the Others and their various histories and origins. What if a lot of them are like Richard, and perhaps Jason... can anyone really say?

If Jason is a spy, it will be yet another clever storytelling technique by the lost writers. When Radzinsky yells out, "We've been infiltrated!" he refers to our time traveling Losties, who have not really infiltrated per se. But if they have been infiltrated by the others... that's kind of interesting :smile:

You missed my point and yet you proved my point. I'm saying that why is Richard the only "ageless" one? I'm saying it's possible that some members of the Others/Hostiles are an ageless group who have lived on the island for perhaps thousands of years, and Jason could be one of them. They only really care about protecting the island and the Temple, like Buddist monks they have no rank nor really answer to anyone. And who seek a new leader every few years, So we've only really met Richard as one of these possible "original" tribesmen, why is it so hard to think it's possible there's more, and why wouldn't the sight of Jason in 1977 prove this (if it's even him)... it's exactly how we knew Richard didn't age, he showed up in Ben's flashback, fresh as a daisy, showing no signs of age. So it doesn't matter if Jason dies in 2004, and shows up in 1977... becuase he was always there, spying on DHARMA most likely. Maybe even sabotaging the Swan station and the Orchid, causing the "incident" and a first attempt at a purge.


I didn't miss your point, I just don't agree with it. I'm of the opinion that Richard is a "special case," and that he is the only one of the others that has been around for all time. I also think that, as I mentioned before, if Jason had been around that long, he'd be more than just a peon who does miserable grunt work in 2003.