She tells him, "It's my job."

Something just didn't seem right. I was getting a wierd vibe from it, almost like she was hinting that she wasn't his real mom. Like she was there to guide him in the right direction, just like she did Desmond.... Also like Abbadon did to Locke to ensure he went to Austrailia to go on the Walkabout. He also said his JOB was to get people where they needed to be.

Whether she is or isn't his mom, I didn't get the feeling of a mother son relationship from them. She was just so damn cold and non-maternal. I'd be open to, say, her and Widmore kidnap a Dharma kid and adopt him.

She tells him, "It's my job."

Something just didn't seem right. I was getting a wierd vibe from it, almost like she was hinting that she wasn't his real mom. Like she was there to guide him in the right direction, just like she did Desmond.... Also like Abbadon did to Locke to ensure he went to Austrailia to go on the Walkabout. He also said his JOB was to get people where they needed to be.


Ha, great minds think alike!! I posted just before you about the same thing. Check out my reasons. Its the 'Raising farm science and young children' post. Guess I'm not totally nuts, :biggrin:

I believe she said "it's my business", which doesnt necessarily mean the same thing as her 'job'

Whether she is or isn't his mom, I didn't get the feeling of a mother son relationship from them. She was just so damn cold and non-maternal. I'd be open to, say, her and Widmore kidnap a Dharma kid and adopt him.


Giving Ellie the benefit of the doubt, if she knew she was killing him in her past......wouldnt that make her cold and distant to Daniel?

Whether she is or isn't his mom, I didn't get the feeling of a mother son relationship from them. She was just so damn cold and non-maternal.
Yes, for both their sakes. She knows for (almost?) his entire life what happens. She couldn't afford to get attached to him, and he'd be better off always disliking her.

but it would be risky for Hawking to raise Dan in such a way that he disliked her. everything hinged on his agreeing to go back to the island because he wanted her approval. (just like he gave up playing his beloved chopin because she said so.)

No.

But then again, this show is falling into soap opera territory very fast. Who knows what will happen.


HELMET Before you die, there is something you
should know about us, Lone Starr.

LONE STARR What?

HELMET I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's
former room-mate.

LONE STARR What's that make us?

HELMET Absolutely nothing. Which is what you are
about to become.

but it would be risky for Hawking to raise Dan in such a way that he disliked her. everything hinged on his agreeing to go back to the island because he wanted her approval. (just like he gave up playing his beloved chopin because she said so.)
Not if you believe whatever happened happened.

On the other hand, considering the Others' penchant for stealing kids and calling them their own, it could be he was a DHARMA baby.

Whether she is or isn't his mom, I didn't get the feeling of a mother son relationship from them. She was just so damn cold and non-maternal. I'd be open to, say, her and Widmore kidnap a Dharma kid and adopt him.


I posted something along these same lines last night right after the eppi aired.

After all, in all the Hostile scenes we never see any kids running around - at least ones that are not kidnapping victims like Alex and the Tailie kids.

I am guessing and this is really going out on a limb that Dan is the child of one of the Dharma biggies - a mathematitian or a physicist., the DeGroots?! Or maybe the child of the person who created the whole pendulum room?

How they (Charles and Ellie) get Dan...who knows...but on Lost...anything is possible

I completely agree. He has no accent!!! After last night, I'm totally of the opinion that he was "adopted" just like Alex. Good call.

Lack of accent doesn't mean anything. My grandmother has a British accent, but moved to Canada when she was about 11. So her children grew up here, none of them have a British accent. That's not to say that Dan isn't Eloise's biological child, but the lack of accent doesn't prove it.

No, I believe she really is his mother. How detached would you be from your child if you found out in his young life that you were going to be his death later on in his life and you were powerless to stop it? I’d probably try not to get too attached either.

Widmore said "he's my son , too." Why would you think they are not his real parents?

How does Ellie always know she shot Dan, but Danielle doesn't remember Jin; Desmond doesn't remember talking to Dan until after it "happened", Locke doesn't know Richard until "now" though he met him earlier; etc?

Is Ellie even "specialer" than Des?

Widmore said "he's my son , too." Why would you think they are not his real parents?

She also slaps him after he says that. I took that as one of two things:
1) She is appaled he would say that since he hasn't been in his life. (Daniel does not seem to know Widmore is his father)
2) They are not his real parents, and she is shocked that he would make that statement, especially knowing that she already killed him.

Just because Widmore said something doesnot make it true. Widmare also told Locke that he was a good guy. Did you believe him?

I agree that there is something strange going on here, but whether or not Hawking is Dan's real mom, Dan thought she was his mother, biological or not. The questions are whether Dan was born on the Island and spent time on the Island, and how often Haking was around Dan during his childhood while he was off the Island.

Lack of accent doesn't mean anything. My grandmother has a British accent, but moved to Canada when she was about 11. So her children grew up here, none of them have a British accent. That's not to say that Dan isn't Eloise's biological child, but the lack of accent doesn't prove it.

Completely agree! My father was born in England, moved to Canada when he was three, and he nor his 5 siblings have any accent and my grandmother has a deep British accent. Dan not having a British accent certainly isn't definitive proof that Hawking is not his mother.

Widmore said "he's my son , too." Why would you think they are not his real parents?

I'm still in denial about that. It's too easy and too forced at the same time. I'm hoping Widmore only thinks Daniel's his and he's really not. (Oh please oh please!) Daniel looks nothing like either of them.

She tells him, "It's my job."

Something just didn't seem right. I was getting a wierd vibe from it, almost like she was hinting that she wasn't his real mom. Like she was there to guide him in the right direction, just like she did Desmond.... Also like Abbadon did to Locke to ensure he went to Austrailia to go on the Walkabout. He also said his JOB was to get people where they needed to be.
i dunno that would be awfully confusing and unescessary
in the end Elle made it quite clear that she had made a huge sacrifice
100%
I completely agree. He has no accent!!! After last night, I'm totally of the opinion that he was "adopted" just like Alex. Good call.
in the Jughead episode, the lady who was taking care of Theresa told Des danny ran away to the States
and maybe Elle and DAn travelled a lot, just because he graduated from Oxford doesn;t mean they didn't live in america before

I believe she said "it's my business", which doesnt necessarily mean the same thing as her 'job'

She said "it's my business to know" after Widmore offered Daniel a chance to go to the island and she said "it's my job" when she was talking to Daniel while he was playing piano as a child.

It's amazing the "collective unconscious" on these boards. It's almost 2:00am here and the thought that Eloise is not Dan's real mom popped into my head. I was excited because I thought I had an original thought to start a thread. I wanted to make sure no one else had started one so I went through all the pages on the the Variable site before I found this one on page 7.:)

She tells him, "It's my job."

Something just didn't seem right. I was getting a wierd vibe from it, almost like she was hinting that she wasn't his real mom. Like she was there to guide him in the right direction, just like she did Desmond.... Also like Abbadon did to Locke to ensure he went to Austrailia to go on the Walkabout. He also said his JOB was to get people where they needed to be.

yes I agree i posted a thread on here somewhere a while ago. I never thought she was his mother!! Finally someone agrees :)

Maybe Eloise is to Daniel what Ben was to Alex.
Also something went through my mind: do you think that the event of Eloise killing her son in 1977 could have somehow urged the Others to install the “rules”? When Widmore (a former Other) killed Alex (Ben’s “child”), Ben said he had broken the rules. Maybe there’s a connection.

It's a very interesting idea, Ellie not being Dan's actual mother--just convoluted enough to fit into the Lost ethos, ha,ha.:3: Certainly is a mystery why no other Other children have been portrayed. It makes Dan very special, and seemingly to have had a special purpose for which he was groomed his entire life. What's the end-game I wonder?

I think she is. I think she has to let Faraday die in 1977 otherwise he's never born / some other major event could never happen.

Something just didn't seem right. I was getting a wierd vibe from it....

I believe it all has to do with the fact that she kills him. If you knew that in 30+ years you were going to shoot your own son in the back...well, I think you'd be a bit screwed up as well.

I think she used the word "Job" because she was charged with the task of raising him to be an important physicist instead of raising him like a normal mother and allowing him to explore his interests as he saw fit. Someone (Jacob or Widmore maybe) must have told her that she had to take her baby off island and raise him so that these events would come to pass (WHH).