I don't understand how this worked in this episode. I understood Walter's explanation (after all, I've been following Daniel Farraday for awhile now ;) ). But I don't understand Liv's visions. How would an alternate reality with the twin sisters have occurred? They weren't living in the same location. I don't get it.

And the scene with Boston on fire. In what scenario would that have happened?

Does my question make sense? To me, it seemed like it was a mechanism to show that Liv is messed up, likely because of the kiddie experiments. And it was a way for them to get hot on the trail of the sister and continue the story. But how does it work/make sense in the first place (not logically, within the context of the show)?

I don't understand how this worked in this episode. I understood Walter's explanation (after all, I've been following Daniel Farraday for awhile now ;) ). But I don't understand Liv's visions. How would an alternate reality with the twin sisters have occurred? They weren't living in the same location. I don't get it.

And the scene with Boston on fire. In what scenario would that have happened?

Does my question make sense? To me, it seemed like it was a mechanism to show that Liv is messed up, likely because of the kiddie experiments. And it was a way for them to get hot on the trail of the sister and continue the story. But how does it work/make sense in the first place (not logically, within the context of the show)?

Just speculation but I think the context might be Olivia's power. Her ability to see the other realities will be a powerful advantage along the lines of seeing the future. Deja vu occurs because she experiences the same events in closely related realities. So deja vu and alternate realities dont conflict as a theme. It may in fact be the same ability of the multiverse observer.

But what I don't understand is how those scenarios were *ever* a possible reality?

Perhaps Olivia, like the "pyro" twins, has not yet learned to control her special abilities. It looks like she may be able to see the results of the paths taken in order to determine which is the best path to take...
I love Walter's explanation of Deja Vu and his scientific blackboard diagrams and explanations! (The Observer better bring him back!)

Are you saying that Olivia possibly sees all the possible realities?? Until tonight, I had thought her "power" was either prescience or some kind of calming telekenesis.

I'm thinking that because Olivia saw what seemed to be "possible" outcomes, she may be able to predict, in time and experience, finding answers...directions...

Walter was laying out the model for an infinite multiverse, but he left out the "infinite" part. Not really sure why.

Anyway, someone asked, "In what reality would what she saw be possible?"

Simply: that one. With infinite branches, absolutely everything ad infinitum will happen. There's a reality where a lion is chasing you right now. Given infinity, there's gotta be.

As for how this particular alternate reality could have happened: maybe there was a path involving both sisters reuniting prior to first internal pyrokinesis incident. If both sisters were together, I can see how both could have died there on the road next to the bus.

It seems that in all 3 "visions" Olivia experienced, the alternate reality involved both sisters. She saw the "bodies" from the files/pictures Broyles showed her, and Charlie already knew about both sisters. I think Olivia was only looking at one single "alternate" reality in all three instances.

Remember that the ZFT said something about a war coming with people from a world not unlike our own. True, Walter explained that there are infinite realities, but I think Olivia's ability has to do with seeing into this particular parallel world. If we start dealing with an infinite amount of alternate realities, things could get pretty sticky.

I get it how the twins in other reality could have lived together and died together, but I don't get it how these alternate realities relate to deja vu. When we experience it we feel as if we have already experienced something, been somewhere before, talked about something before... How do other realities explain this?

After reading Walter's lab notes (http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_119.jpg) (Thanks Sam!), I'm thinking perhaps we should put his experience in trying to regain his memory in juxtaposition to the "special" people "learning" to control their powers.
Love his: "...a breakfast-time tribute to Mary Shelley..."

If the kids are supposed to be soldiers for an upcoming war with (iirc) a parallel universe, could Olivia's powers allow her to spy on that parallel universe? From the flashes I assumed she was just connecting to that P.U. (heh heh) without knowing it.

After reading Walter's lab notes (http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_119.jpg) (Thanks Sam!), I'm thinking perhaps we should put his experience in trying to regain his memory in juxtaposition to the "special" people "learning" to control their powers.
Love his: "...a breakfast-time tribute to Mary Shelley..."

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Frankenberry and Boo Berry were favorites when I was a kid. They turned the milk pretty colors. :)

Walter was laying out the model for an infinite multiverse, but he left out the "infinite" part. Not really sure why.

Anyway, someone asked, "In what reality would what she saw be possible?"

Simply: that one. With infinite branches, absolutely everything ad infinitum will happen. There's a reality where a lion is chasing you right now. Given infinity, there's gotta be.

I know what you are saying, I just simply don't understand how she picked up on there being a twin and envisioned the situation as if that is what really happened. If there are infinite possibilities, why didn't she (to use your example) envision a lion having killed the first woman? Why was it the same as reality, but more macabre and including the twin?

As for how this particular alternate reality could have happened: maybe there was a path involving both sisters reuniting prior to first internal pyrokinesis incident. If both sisters were together, I can see how both could have died there on the road next to the bus.

It seems that in all 3 "visions" Olivia experienced, the alternate reality involved both sisters. She saw the "bodies" from the files/pictures Broyles showed her, and Charlie already knew about both sisters. I think Olivia was only looking at one single "alternate" reality in all three instances.

Oh, okay, so you are saying that the twins were potentially going to reunite, but didn't. Because of that, Winters (I think that's his name) has to seek out the sisters at different times and places?

Okay, I can deal with that.

I can see where seeing another timeline can give you a heads up on making a decision on what to or not to do. That could come in very handy during the upcoming and mysterious war.

I know what you are saying, I just simply don't understand how she picked up on there being a twin and envisioned the situation as if that is what really happened. If there are infinite possibilities, why didn't she (to use your example) envision a lion having killed the first woman? Why was it the same as reality, but more macabre and including the twin?



Oh, okay, so you are saying that the twins were potentially going to reunite, but didn't. Because of that, Winters (I think that's his name) has to seek out the sisters at different times and places?

Okay, I can deal with that.

I'm thinking Olivia was seeing events as they happened in an alternate universe. The way these events unfolded there helped her in her investigation in this universe.

Remember when Olivia was in Broyles office and she stated that he had moved his desk and he looked at her funny? Or the scar on Charlies face? These are the results of events as they happened in an alternate universe timeline.

One of Olivia's talents it seems, is the perception of extra-dimensional events.

I'm thinking Olivia has the ability to glimpse the alternatives.

Thinking of twins, we know there have been studies on the mental connections twins have with each other...finishing the others sentence, etc. There have also been studies of connections in twins that were separated at birth.

Olivia has the ability to connect things. Gather information form a "source"?

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9354&fullsize=1 He Is Here

Oooh, which he? Observer? Jones? Belly?

Nice catch Sam!
eta: Would that mean he isn't "here" because it is a different "path"?!

Who ever he is he drives a Bentley.

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9438&fullsize=1 nifty art work and an interesting instrument.

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=577 Charlie's very interesting scar, not exactly Nick Lane's but close.

Okay, so I don't know Nick Lane...I'll have to google...
http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9438&fullsize=1
What kind of instrument is that in the corner?
Hmmm, another office...
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I didn't see the Bentley...
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Now I really want to know what instrument that is!!!

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9780&fullsize=1 Samantha Gilmore is she from this episode or one of the earlier ones?
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Okay, so I don't know Nick Lane...I'll have to google...
http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9438&fullsize=1
What kind of instrument is that in the corner?
Hmmm, another office...
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I didn't see the Bentley...
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Now I really want to know what instrument that is!!!

Nick Lane is the guy who almost jumped of the building in Bad Dreams

The Bentley is the car in that screen cap. Only reason I know is that it is the new status symbol car in LA. (My guess would be Belly's car.)

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9354&fullsize=1

The insignia is a B with wings (http://www.richguy.com/pictures/bentley/images/Bentley%20Logo.jpg).

Not good with remembering names... Was she one of the twins?

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9780&fullsize=1 Samantha Gilmore is she from this episode or one of the earlier ones?


Sam, She was one of the victims of the serial killer in "Inner Child".
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I didn't see the Bentley...

Me either...

Sam, She was one of the victims of the serial killer in "Inner Child".
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Me either...

Guin, that's what I thought, older episode, didn't have time to search. Thanks. Pretty interesting.

I'm thinking Olivia was seeing events as they happened in an alternate universe. The way these events unfolded there helped her in her investigation in this universe.

Remember when Olivia was in Broyles office and she stated that he had moved his desk and he looked at her funny? Or the scar on Charlies face? These are the results of events as they happened in an alternate universe timeline.

One of Olivia's talents it seems, is the perception of extra-dimensional events.

No, yeah, I know. Thanks everyone for attempting to explain to me. I guess my question is: WHY would those things ever happen in an alternate reality? I just don't understand why she was seeing *those* things?

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9780&fullsize=1 Samantha Gilmore is she from this episode or one of the earlier ones?
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Nick Lane is the guy who almost jumped of the building in Bad Dreams

The Bentley is the car in that screen cap. Only reason I know is that it is the new status symbol car in LA. (My guess would be Belly's car.)

http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=9354&fullsize=1

The insignia is a B with wings (http://www.richguy.com/pictures/bentley/images/Bentley%20Logo.jpg).

I'm pretty sure that's a black Chrysler 300, not a Bentley. The wings on the Chrysler logo are longer than those on a Bentley.
http://www.premierautoandcycles.com/2005BlackChrysler300_Rear_663363.JPG

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You're probably right, looking at the wheels, the Bentley has a B in the middle.

The Chrysler 300 is used a lot as a limo.

I'm still harping on the instrument in the corner...

No, yeah, I know. Thanks everyone for attempting to explain to me. I guess my question is: WHY would those things ever happen in an alternate reality? I just don't understand why she was seeing *those* things? Laura, I don't think we've still been given enough information to know why those things Olivia saw were happening in an alternate univverse nor why she was seeing those things.

I'm still harping on the instrument in the corner...
That's punny, Briolette! :23wtp28_jpg:

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No, yeah, I know. Thanks everyone for attempting to explain to me. I guess my question is: WHY would those things ever happen in an alternate reality? I just don't understand why she was seeing *those* things?

Deja Vu is the feeling that you have experienced something before. It wouldn't be deja vu if you saw a woman burned to death and flashed on a lady being chasaed by a lion. It's not close enough. I think she is seeing this reality because it is similar to her own and/or the specific situation.

Plus it had to help the story along. A reality where clowns are fighting off an invasion of radioactive monkeys with wooden spoons, while awesome, wouldn't help her figure out the chick had a twin. :biggrin:

As Walter Explains it.

WALTER: Fascinating. There's another possibility, but it's a bit complicated. Deja vu.
OLIVIA: It wasn't deja vu, Walter. Not even close.
WALTER: Typical protracted deja vu. Prolonged. You're familiar with the -- the pliability of space-time, yes?
PETER: Of course. Who isn't?
WALTER: One minute will explain. (rolls out a chalkboard) Most of us experience life as a - a linear progression just like this. (draws a horizontal line) But this is an illusion because every day, life presents us with an array of choices. As a result, life should look more like this. (draws diagonal branches from the first line) And each choice... leads to a new path. To go to work. To stay home. And each choice we take creates a new reality. Do -- do you understand?
OLIVIA: Yes. But what does it have to do with deja vu?
WALTER: Deja vu is--is--is simply a - a momentary glimpse to the other side. Almost everyone experiences it. We feel that we've been somewhere before because actually we have - in another reality. It's another path. The road not taken.

Lord, I love Walter! Mr. Mad Science...

"PETER: Of course. Who isn't?"
I LMAO!