Surely he would have been born by 1977. Any thoughts where he's hiding out?

I got the hint that when Charles was touching Ellie's stomach, that was kind of like touching the baby, as in he didn't want her helping them because it would put her and the baby at risk.

I think he has not been born yet. Did you noticed that Charles placed his hand over Ellie stomach.

Eloise is pregnant. Didn't you see her holding her stomach when she and Charles were talking. He was saying something like "You shouldn't do this in your condition".

hes in utero. Charles kind of gave it away

Ha, we all had the same comment at the same time!

that would mean he was 27 when he joined the freighter crew and add 3 years for ann arbor,he's only 30? hmm , looks older than that

If Dan was born in 1977/78 that would make him 27 at the oldest when he was on the freighter. That may be possible, but that would make Dan 19 in 1996 when Desmond met him as a professor at Oxford. Much more unlikely, although with Lost, still possible I suppose.

I noticed the hand on the tummy, but the ages just seem a tad off.

Elle is pregnant with him, thats why Charles touched her stomach

If Dan was born in 1977/78 that would make him 27 at the oldest when he was on the freighter. That may be possible, but that would make Dan 19 in 1996 when Desmond met him as a professor at Oxford. Much more unlikely, although with Lost, still possible I suppose.

I noticed the hand on the tummy, but the ages just seem a tad off.


Don't forget - Dan was the youngest graduate in Oxford history. That was no coincidence. It was to fit the timeline.

that would mean he was 27 when he joined the freighter crew and add 3 years for ann arbor,he's only 30? hmm , looks older than thatFar more believable than the Ethan age descrepancy IMO.

If Dan was born in 1977/78 that would make him 27 at the oldest when he was on the freighter. That may be possible, but that would make Dan 19 in 1996 when Desmond met him as a professor at Oxford. Much more unlikely, although with Lost, still possible I suppose.Well, in last weeks episode Daniel said to his mother that he was the youngest person to ever graduate Oxford with a doctorate.

Don't forget - Dan was the youngest graduate in Oxford history. That was no coincidence. It was to fit the timeline.

The transcript said he was the youngest doctorate to ever graduate from Oxford, and it never gave an age.

Don't forget - Dan was the youngest graduate in Oxford history. That was no coincidence. It was to fit the timeline.

Yeah, he's too young and Charlotte's too old for the timeline...it seems like they didn't plan out all the timelines of the various characters.

I'm sorry - wait no I'm not - but if he graduated from Oxford with a doctorate at 19!!! - that is LAME.

A doctorate.

19.

Really?

Undergrad - 4 years.
Master's/Ph.D. - 5 years, in most cases, sometimes 6. 2-3 years of coursework, 1-3 years on a dissertation.

Granted the British system is somewhat different, and a doctorate sometimes (I think) can be done just writing a dissertation, no coursework, but when that happens, I think they require a master's.

So let's say, hypothetically, that Dan did his undergrad in a hurry - 3 years. 1 year for the master's, 1 year on a dissertation for a Ph.D.

Even *then* that's still 5 years and that is diong things in a huge, huge hurry. So we're meant to believe that Dan enterred Oxford at 14, and did all of that in 5 years? Ha...Ha...Hahahahaha!!!

That's really damn difficult to do things that fast even for an adult. And we're supposed to believe a teenager did that?

That's a point at which I can no longer suspend disbelief. As a grad. student at a top-tier university, I'm telling you that's just not possible.
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Yeah, he's too young and Charlotte's too old for the timeline...it seems like they didn't plan out all the timelines of the various characters.

Either that or they're making it up as they go along.

This season with more and more inconsistencies emerging, I'm becoming more and more convinced of that.

I'm sorry - wait no I'm not - but if he graduated from Oxford with a doctorate at 19!!! - that is LAME.

A doctorate.

19.

Really?

Undergrad - 4 years.
Master's/Ph.D. - 5 years, in most cases, sometimes 6. 2-3 years of coursework, 1-3 years on a dissertation.

Granted the British system is somewhat different, and a doctorate sometimes (I think) can be done just writing a dissertation, no coursework, but when that happens, I think they require a master's.

So let's say, hypothetically, that Dan did his undergrad in a hurry - 3 years. 1 year for the master's, 1 year on a dissertation for a Ph.D.

Even *then* that's still 5 years and that is diong things in a huge, huge hurry. So we're meant to believe that Dan enterred Oxford at 14, and did all of that in 5 years? Ha...Ha...Hahahahaha!!!

That's really damn difficult to do things that fast even for an adult. And we're supposed to believe a teenager did that?

That's a point at which I can no longer suspend disbelief. As a grad. student at a top-tier university, I'm telling you that's just not possible.
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Either that or they're making it up as they go along.

This season with more and more inconsistencies emerging, I'm becoming more and more convinced of that.
The youngest bachelor from Oxford was 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence), entered at 11. Their youngest PhD student is 17 (http://hasanpurluhari.blogspot.com/2008/07/horatio-boedihardjo-phd-at-17.html), having become an Oxford undergrad at 14 (3 years). Oxford PhD's submit their theses in three years (http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/postgraduate_courses/introducing_oxford/graduate_study_at_oxford/degree_types.html).

Given the reality, I have no problem accepting a fictional character doing one year better. In fact, the reality shows it's entirely possible -- the youngest PhD became an undergrad one year later than the youngest undergrad. Had he entered at the age she did, he'd have started his PhD at 16.

i have no problem accepting that timeline esp. since he was already gifted and his mom pushed him so much.

The youngest bachelor from Oxford was 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence), entered at 11. Their youngest PhD student is 17 (http://hasanpurluhari.blogspot.com/2008/07/horatio-boedihardjo-phd-at-17.html), having become an Oxford undergrad at 14 (3 years). Oxford PhD's submit their theses in three years (http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/postgraduate_courses/introducing_oxford/graduate_study_at_oxford/degree_types.html). Given the reality, I have no problem accepting a fictional character doing one year better.

Well for a 16 or 17 year old, he sure can grow some good facial hair since he had a full beard and mustache at his graduation.

Could he have been an associate prof, working on his PhD? I have had adjunct and/or assoc profs that weren't doctors. Otherwise, I agree that it is reasonable, given the timeline. His time travel experiments had hirsute side effects, LOL

i have no problem accepting that timeline esp. since he was already gifted and his mom pushed him so much.

Yeah, we're all accepting that these characters can time travel. If they want to fudge a character's age a bit and have him graduate young, I think I can buy that too ;)

Two words:

Doogie Howser

-- J

The youngest bachelor from Oxford was 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence), entered at 11. Their youngest PhD student is 17 (http://hasanpurluhari.blogspot.com/2008/07/horatio-boedihardjo-phd-at-17.html), having become an Oxford undergrad at 14 (3 years). Oxford PhD's submit their theses in three years (http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/postgraduate_courses/introducing_oxford/graduate_study_at_oxford/degree_types.html).

Given the reality, I have no problem accepting a fictional character doing one year better. In fact, the reality shows it's entirely possible -- the youngest PhD became an undergrad one year later than the youngest undergrad. Had he entered at the age she did, he'd have started his PhD at 16.


Ok. Thank you *very much* for posting that.... i don't have as big of a problem with it now.

Wow, if that's true, what a misfire by TPTB. The actor is about 40, and there's no way I'd believe he was born in 1977, making him 30 in their present.

Well for a 16 or 17 year old, he sure can grow some good facial hair since he had a full beard and mustache at his graduation.

LOL yeah... the full beard at that age is arguably more impressive than his Oxford PhD! :biggrin:
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Yeah, we're all accepting that these characters can time travel. If they want to fudge a character's age a bit and have him graduate young, I think I can buy that too ;)


Haha... Honestly, I have no problem accepting the time travel, smoke monsters, and an apparently sentient Island.... But a 19 year old Oxford PhD? "Nooooooo...."

It's funny, I know, but true. :)

So Charlotte was about 4-5 years older than Dan - that cougar woman! :blshing1:

has it been mentioned that Eloise was pregnant at the time of the Incident?

Wow, if that's true, what a misfire by TPTB. The actor is about 40, and there's no way I'd believe he was born in 1977, making him 30 in their present.I still think he looks a LOT younger than William Mapother. (Ethan)

Two words:

Doogie Howser



Cute. :p

It could happen. Not likely, but possible.

maybe Eloise is preggers with penny? We still don't know who penny's real mother is. Maybe Daniel was taken somewhere else too.. when daniel is a boy we see eliose at her current age.. idk it's too confusing for me anymore.

I'm sorry - wait no I'm not - but if he graduated from Oxford with a doctorate at 19!!! - that is LAME.

A doctorate.

19.

Really?

Undergrad - 4 years.
Master's/Ph.D. - 5 years, in most cases, sometimes 6. 2-3 years of coursework, 1-3 years on a dissertation.

Granted the British system is somewhat different, and a doctorate sometimes (I think) can be done just writing a dissertation, no coursework, but when that happens, I think they require a master's.

So let's say, hypothetically, that Dan did his undergrad in a hurry - 3 years. 1 year for the master's, 1 year on a dissertation for a Ph.D.

Even *then* that's still 5 years and that is diong things in a huge, huge hurry. So we're meant to believe that Dan enterred Oxford at 14, and did all of that in 5 years? Ha...Ha...Hahahahaha!!!

That's really damn difficult to do things that fast even for an adult. And we're supposed to believe a teenager did that?

That's a point at which I can no longer suspend disbelief. As a grad. student at a top-tier university, I'm telling you that's just not possible.
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Either that or they're making it up as they go along.

This season with more and more inconsistencies emerging, I'm becoming more and more convinced of that.

I don't think we should ever get too caught up in "real" reality - I mean the entire show is predicated on TT....

Besides if you want a rational for getting an Oxford PhD by the age of 19 try this... Danny Boy is a wacked out prodigy, after racing through high school by the age of 15 he then enters college - in the British system is immediately focuses on math/physics as an undergrad - completes all his course work in 2 years (goes to summer school) , finishes university by 17, then for his PhD comes up with a single extraordinary equation and is granted a PhD.

This is as likely as tearing asunder the time space continuum and flashing forward and backward in time rendering the aging process inert and creating an almost infinite number of time loop paradoxes...

Ehh, this bugs me too. I really don't think that when they wrote the stuff for when Daniel met Desmond at the University that Daniel was meant to be 19, come on. They would have made more effort to change his appearance at least, or something, or perhaps even got another actor like they with young John Locke. If the actor who plays Daniel is 40, and he is 30, that's one thing, but for a 40-year-old to play a 19-year-old character, I just don't think anyone would cast that intentionally, so I think it's a mistake. It doesn't really affect anything in the show, who really cares how old anyone is at any given time, but it's just not planned properly and that's irritating to a degree.

Two words:

Doogie Howser

That's what I was thinking!

There is one possibility to explain the discrepancy: when Eloise leaves the island, she ends up in the real world a few years earlier.

Or perhaps she turns the wheel?

There is one possibility to explain the discrepancy: when Eloise leaves the island, she ends up in the real world a few years earlier.

Or perhaps she turns the wheel?

Yeah, they could have her giving birth off Islandin a year prior to 1977, using TT somehow. That would definitely work.

Maybe we should be asking a different question... Dan was in love with Theresa (sp?) and he accidentally turned her into a veggie...

He's know Charlotte for how long then? Did they go to school together? Did they just meet on the freighter?

He claims to be in love with her (something we don't really see her feeling toward him...she almost looks disgusted several times when he touches her or looks at her), but how long has he even known her?

-- J

that would mean he was 27 when he joined the freighter crew and add 3 years for ann arbor,he's only 30? hmm , looks older than that

Same with Ben. The oldest looking people of their generation. Ever.

I still think he looks a LOT younger than William Mapother. (Ethan)
I had no problem with Ethan. I assumed him to be around 30 from the way he was acting. I thought he was just ugly.:biggrin: Rewatching it, it does seem like Ellie is pregnant, presumably with Dan. It would have made more sense to me if he had already been born, but whatever.

maybe Eloise is preggers with penny? We still don't know who penny's real mother is. Maybe Daniel was taken somewhere else too.. when daniel is a boy we see eliose at her current age.. idk it's too confusing for me anymore.
BEN: You left the island regularly. You had a daughter with an outsider. You broke the rules Charles.

Penny's mother is an outsider Eloise is definitely not an outsider.

I think Jeremy Davies is young enough looking that he could've pulled it off had he shaved his beard, worn a crappy wig, but maybe he was opposed to that happening for some reason.

Sometimes, some people try TOO hard to disprove theories and find faults.

The kid knew how many times the metronome ticked while he was playing a complex song on the piano, and you think 19 is too early for him to get his doctorate, when in real life, very very special kids have already done stuff like that?

Comments about his beard/facial hair at graduation when he is supposed to be 19??

Really? Did you people even go to high school? I had dudes that graduated with me that had huge bushy beards and all of that (senior year, we were all 17 or 18)...

on the subject of discrepancies, such as Daniel's age, and when and how Locke 'talks' to the island -- do you think that the final season will wrap these things up, or leave them hanging?

Sometimes, some people try TOO hard to disprove theories and find faults.

The kid knew how many times the metronome ticked while he was playing a complex song on the piano, and you think 19 is too early for him to get his doctorate, when in real life, very very special kids have already done stuff like that?

Comments about his beard/facial hair at graduation when he is supposed to be 19??

Really? Did you people even go to high school? I had dudes that graduated with me that had huge bushy beards and all of that (senior year, we were all 17 or 18)...

Yep, sure special kids have done stuff like that in real life, minus the beard and 'stache. Even Doogie Howser did it but with no facial hair and he at least looked like a kid.

The suggestion was made that Dan could have graduated with his doctorate from Oxford a year earlier than the 17 year old documented in real life. A 16 year old with a full beard like Dan had at his graduation lunch with his mother definitely seems out of place. As you even said, in your senior year at high school the people with the beards were 17 and 18, and the suggestion was that Dan did it at 16.

And no, seniors in my high school did not have full beards, those that tried to grow facial hair had scraggly, patchy beards, and looked nothing like Dan. In fact, I know people in their mid 20's through mid 30's who can't grow as good as a beard as Dan had when he graduated.

So I suppose we are to believe that not only was Dan extremely gifted academically, but he also was gifted with early facial hair?

I still think he looks a LOT younger than William Mapother. (Ethan)

Hmm, I don't know. I mean, he seems younger in terms of behavior because he's so gentle and timid, but appearance-wise, I'd say they look about the same age.

What if Daniel has already been born off the island and is being raised by a caretaker hired by Eloise and Whidmore? In last week's episode, young Daniel is playing the piano and Eloise steps out of the kitchen in tears. At first I thought that Eloise was crying because she knew that she had to destroy Daniel's dream of mastering the piano but I noticed upon the second viewing that Eloise looks to be exactly the same age when she walks out of the kitchen and right after she shot Daniel.

Could those tears have been actually tied to her recent realization that she is going to kill her son?

Could Eloise be living a dual life on and off the island?

This could explain Eloise's comment about not being able to see her son too often when talking to Theresa and Daniel at his graduation.

This may also explain why Daniel was raised with a different last name. It could also explain the caretaker that was taking care of him after he lost his mind.

Wow, if that's true, what a misfire by TPTB. The actor is about 40, and there's no way I'd believe he was born in 1977, making him 30 in their present.

Ahhh but he went to highschool at 90210 with Jason Priestly and all them lot. Times were tough back then and pupils aged really badly.

I noticed upon the second viewing that Eloise looks to be exactly the same age when she walks out of the kitchen and right after she shot Daniel.

Could those tears have been actually tied to her recent realization that she is going to kill her son?

Could Eloise be living a dual life on and off the island?

This could explain Eloise's comment about not being able to see her son too often when talking to Theresa and Daniel at his graduation.That's a great theory and deinately something to think about. :thumbsup: