If Alpert sees everyone die, then at this moment, Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are in Dharma jumpsuits. Weren't Adam & Eve in the jumpsuits? (Hurley, Miles, and Jin are toom but come on, who really thinks any of them were in the cave?)

My money is on Sawyer and Kate, seeing as how neither really wants to leave the island....

From "House of the Rising Sun":
KATE: Who is he. How'd he get here?
JACK: I can't exactly perform an autopsy but there doesn't seem to be any major trauma to the bones. There's another one over here. Someone laid them to rest here.
KATE: Any idea how long they've been here?
JACK: Long. It takes 40 or 50 years for clothing to degrade like this.

They are in 1977 and they found Adam and Eve in 2004 that's not even thirty years.

From "House of the Rising Sun":

They are in 1977 and they found Adam and Eve in 2004 that's not even thirty years.


Yeah well Jack is a doctor not an archaeologist or something

From "House of the Rising Sun":

They are in 1977 and they found Adam and Eve in 2004 that's not even thirty years.


Maybe the incident speeds up the decaying process a little.

think about how bad the corpses looked from the purge - and that was only from 12 years before

no to me i think adam and eve may be rose and bernard. We have been told that we will see them again so they make sense...

no to me i think adam and eve may be rose and bernard. We have been told that we will see them again so they make sense...

Except that the writers have said that Rose and Bernard would be "iconic" or something and that once we learn who they are we would appreciate that they had a plan from the beginning. I guess Rose and Bernard fit these categories but they don't have near the amount of impact that some combination of Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliet would

From "House of the Rising Sun":

They are in 1977 and they found Adam and Eve in 2004 that's not even thirty years.


True, but see this from Lostpedia:

Jack (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack) says in "House of the Rising Sun (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/House_of_the_Rising_Sun)" that the bodies must have been dead 40–50 years based on the deterioration of their clothing; however in "Deus Ex Machina (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_Machina)," John Locke (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/John_Locke) says that normal clothing would decompose within 2 years. He also noted that the high quality polyester on the Nigerian smuggler (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Goldie) would take 2–10 years to get to its current condition.

Don't forget about the bodies in the Dharma pit. They looked pretty bad, and that wasn't 50+ years ago.

Don't forget about the bodies in the Dharma pit. They looked pretty bad, and that wasn't 50+ years ago.
The bodies in the Dharma pit and the bodies in the beechcraft were exposed to the elements but the ones in the cave weren't

I don't think we have any evidence that Adam and Eve were wearing Dharma Initiative jumpsuits.

I don't think we have any evidence that Adam and Eve were wearing Dharma Initiative jumpsuits.

These look like the grey Dharma suits to me. Plus Jack pulls the rocks out of the pocket, like they all have.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/f2/Aande_1.jpg

Not concrete evidence by any means, just my opinion

I personally think Rose and Bernard are Adam & Eve. I used to think differently - but given their disappearance I think they may have, once the flashes stopped, ended up in the caves dead.

They could be jumpsuits, but they just look like tattered rags to me...in the polar bear cave and the pit, the jumpsuits look really different.

Edit to add:
Did we actually see where Jack pulled the stones from? It has been awhile since I watched that scene.

The cave was a climate controlled (less high temps and low temps), weather protected, seemingly pretty dry environment protected from the sun. In such a place deterioration would be quite slow.

There was seemingly little organic matter in the cave from what I remember, little animal activity or bats or anything.

In such a place, if dry, polyester could last a LONG LONG time since its UV rays and heat that breaks it down mainly.

It could be Rose and Bernard if they died sometime during the course of the flashes - after all, Charlotte's body did not go through the final flash with the rest of them, so Rose and Bernard could have died while they were in 1950 or something.

This is straight from TPTB:

What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''



I would think that it being Rose and Bernard would not live up to the symbolism that TPTB are stating, IMO.

This is straight from TPTB:

What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''



I would think that it being Rose and Bernard would not live up to the symbolism that TPTB are stating, IMO.

I don't see this article as implying they will have special symbolic significance, but rather that Adam and Eve will just be proof positive that they weren't making this all up as they go along. IMO, it is probably Rose and Bernard. Black and White stones? C'mon. Honestly, I hope it isn't them, because I love those two and I want to see them kickin it with Claire and Vincent in Season Six. :biggrin:

This is straight from TPTB:

What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''



I would think that it being Rose and Bernard would not live up to the symbolism that TPTB are stating, IMO.

So I've got two questions about this:

1) Who last had the stones that Jack took? Could they have made their way to Rose and Bernard? If so, that's a paradox, but maybe we'll see the non "future" origin of them in the finale.
2) I don't know which epi was Feb. 7th, but does anyone know the easter eggs and the anagram to which they refer? (I'm aware of some of the more obvious ones, like Reincarnation...)

From "House of the Rising Sun":

They are in 1977 and they found Adam and Eve in 2004 that's not even thirty years.


Yeah well Jack is a doctor not an archaeologist or something
Plus DHARMA clothing is probably made from biodegradable hemp.

So I've got two questions about this:

1) Who last had the stones that Jack took? Could they have made their way to Rose and Bernard? If so, that's a paradox, but maybe we'll see the non "future" origin of them in the finale.
2) I don't know which epi was Feb. 7th, but does anyone know the easter eggs and the anagram to which they refer? (I'm aware of some of the more obvious ones, like Reincarnation...)

1) No idea. I think Jack still had them in his pocket when they got off the Island.

2) I am curious about this as well. Anyone?

So if Jack was right and the corpses are 40-50 years dead, who could they be?

In other words, who could have died in the 50's or 60's that we would care about?

2) I don't know which epi was Feb. 7th, but does anyone know the easter eggs and the anagram to which they refer? (I'm aware of some of the more obvious ones, like Reincarnation...)

I thought this was the "Not in Portland" episode. I think the easter egg was the Mittelos Bioscience where Mittelos is an anagram for "lost time". This was also the episode with the brainwashing video. There is a lot of stuff in that thing.

So I've got two questions about this:

1) Who last had the stones that Jack took? Could they have made their way to Rose and Bernard? If so, that's a paradox, but maybe we'll see the non "future" origin of them in the finale.
2) I don't know which epi was Feb. 7th, but does anyone know the easter eggs and the anagram to which they refer? (I'm aware of some of the more obvious ones, like Reincarnation...)

1) Jack was the last person we saw with them. Locke even asks if he found anything in the cave (besides the bodies) and Jack does not tell him about the stones.

2) The episode was Not in Portland, when Jack operates on Ben, and the infamous Room 23 video. From Lostpedia: The anagram seems to be on the Room 23 video that says "only fools are enslaved by time and space." There are many anagrams that came out of it, but after reading these below, I don't really think any of them are right. I think there is something else in the episode that was missed.

Here is the info from Lostpedia:



Given the reference to an anagram in the episode "Not in Portland", it is interesting that one can rearrange the letters of the backwards message on the Room 23 video (http://forum.thefuselage.com/wiki/Room_23_video) "only fools are enslaved by time and space", into a sentence that will include "Adam and Eve".

The anagram can include "lost on isle".
It can be made to say "Bones of Nadlers may lay lost deep in cave". Bernard and Rose's surname is Nadler. I think it has to be them, although I will feel a little bit let down if its true.
Here is a complete anagram, though a bit clumsy: "Fans: Adam (Ebony), Eve (Pearl) end Lost cosily". This anagram refers to the notion that Adam and Eve may actually be the last two inhabitants of the Island, and references the two stones. Cosily is an alternate, old spelling of cozily: if they were the last inhabitants, then at least one of them had to lay down in that exact position to die.

Possibly a meta-reference to the producer's claims that Adam and Eve prove that they had the show planned out from the beginning

"Alas, Penny is by Desmond; O, a cave foretell" also works, I believe. It's a little weak, but I think I'm onto something. Desmond swore he'd never leave her side, and they all "have to go back."

I had a bash at the anagram as well, and I got "Des Penny on sailboat, Adam Eve fly closer". That would seem to be a relatively unclunky anagram which supports either the Desmond and Penny theory or the Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan theory (because they might be picked up by Desmond and Penny's boat, but then "fly closer" to the island). Or maybe it's someone else who can fly a plane. (Lapidus? Then who's the girl?)

"To spy Amelia and Fred's lonely cave bones"
"Ay, merely a cave bone stops end of island."
Another anagram of the Room 23 phrase suggests the importance of Adam and Eve may have been exaggerated: "Adam and Eve scene lays best in poor folly."
Interestingly, there is an apocryphal book of the New Testament, written in Syria in the 4th cent., called "The Cave of Treasures." The book chronicles the "first 5,500 years" of human history and describes how, upon banishment from Eden, Adam and Eve settled in a cave. It is in this cave that they begin to sire the "good people" that make up the human race. Meanwhile, the exiled Cain, is starting his own extended family in the valley below. These are the "bad people," who engage in all sorts of wickedness. The conflict between these two groups comprises most of the first "2,000" years.
Two islands are famous in the Tongan mythos : 'Ata and 'Eua. They are told to be children of the primal being (Tonga) and the first places where Melanese people from the west came and settled. They are also parabolized as the first oceanian couple. Oceania is populated by two major ethnic groups : Polynesians (white) and Melanesians (black).
"Only fools are enslaved by time and space" may just simply refer to the Gnostic Christian concept that original sin is the ignorance or denial of our true spiritual selves; the original sin of Adam and Eve being descent into materiality, including ideas of reincarnation (rep. by time-jumps) and the attainment of immortality. The two skeletons could possibly be Adam and Eve. The DI might want to control time to go back and reverse the effects of original sin.

One spoiler for Adam and Eve that eliminates at least one theory is that Damon and Carlton say that the bodies in the cave are not
the real Adam and Eve.

There has also been speculation that Adam and Eve are Amelia Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan. They disapeared in 1937, so assuming they lived for some time on the island, they could be the pair.

The show as well as the extra Find815 makes allusions to Earhart, like taking Juliet to Herarat Airport (an anagram for Earhart) in the episode One of Us, the companion episode to Not in Portland.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Amelia_Earhart

I feel it would be a little anti-climatic if they were Rose and Bernard. But that's just opinion.

I personally think there will be two Adam and Eves in the show.

1) The corpses, who are more foreshadowing than anything else,
2) a different pair who functions more like the traditional Adam and Eve.

The idea that they had the Adam and Eve corpses planned out to be Rose and Bernard is one option that would make sense, considering the obvious symbolism of the black and white stones. It would show that they had planned out all along that Rose would have a white husband who she was reunited with, and that they would end up in the caves through time traveling, et cetera. Presuming there is another Adam and Eve, it would also show that they planned on the other Adam and Eve story and implanted Adam and Eve foreshadowing in to hint at that.

I think whoever they are they will turn out to be significant in the history/mythos of the island and while not literally the biblical Adam and Eve, they will turn out to have a foundational role in the history of the island.

If they are significant mythologically then I personally think that rules out Rose and Bernard because they aren't important enough narratively to resonate very much

squid

Rose and Bernard as parted and reunited lovers might be symbolic of a larger recurring island story of lovers parted and reunited. They also are a good representation of yin and yang--opposites superficially and in personality, but united in their love for each other.

Edit to add:
I do love Rose and Bernard, though--so I would be just fine if they end up living at the end of the show. You never know. Certainly we will need to see their parting moments, if they have some.