Since we are led to believe that flight 316 landed in the "now" that would mean that when Locke was shot by Ethan, he was then flashed to a future that from are point of view had yet to happen.
Locke and company landed "before" Locke has Richard remove the bullet. Is this a hint that 316 is in the past also or was Locke able to travel to the future during the flashes?

Since we are led to believe that flight 316 landed in the "now" that would mean that when Locke was shot by Ethan, he was then flashed to a future that from are point of view had yet to happen.
Locke and company landed "before" Locke has Richard remove the bullet. Is this a hint that 316 is in the past also or was Locke able to travel to the future during the flashes?

Sorry but I'm extremely confused by what you are trying to say. Locke crashed on the island in 2004, did stuff, eventually flashed around after Ben turned the wheel, was shot by Ethan, flashed again and healed by Richard, turned the wheel, left the island, died, landed on the island in 2008, told Richard to tell the flashing Locke that he had to die.

I think you're confused about 316. Locke was shot before he even left the island.

Yes, Locke (and the other Flashies) flashed to 2007, after the 316 crash. They flashed there a second time, too; the rest of the Flashies find the boats and Ajira water bottle during a different flash.

That's the flip side of WHH -- if the past is set, then the future must be also.

Sorry I am a very bad ex-plainer. When Locke flashed to the jungle with the bullet in his leg it was to a time that from 316 landing was still in the future. Locke is on the beach, goes with Ben and Sun, takes Ben for judgement and then goes to Richard and tells him that he has something to do. That means when Locke was flashing with the bullet he flashed to a period that had not happened yet to us. He flashed to what to us would be the future from our perspective

Since we are led to believe that flight 316 landed in the "now" that would mean that when Locke was shot by Ethan, he was then flashed to a future that from are point of view had yet to happen.
Locke and company landed "before" Locke has Richard remove the bullet. Is this a hint that 316 is in the past also or was Locke able to travel to the future during the flashes?

Damn!!! I missed this one when I was posting my thread.. I said the same thing as you! Sorry bout that!! I agree with you 100%!!!! I'll try to delete my post. and paste what I said in here.
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Damn!!! I missed this one when I was posting my thread.. I said the same thing as you! Sorry bout that!! I agree with you 100%!!!! I'll try to delete my post. and paste what I said in here.


The only thing I don't agree with is the Ethan part- Locke flashed to the past when Ethan was alive Ethan shot him, then locke flashed to the future.....

Ok after last night seeing Locke tell Richard to help him and advise him on what to do next makes me think....
Well the only years we can be sure of on the island ( not off island) is 1973 & 1977. Locke and Richard haven't crossed paths in 3 years that is true but we don't know what year they are in presently we assume it's 2007/8.

Ok so- Locke takes Ben and Richie to the beach craft tells Richie to fix a mans leg and tell him he has to leave the island and that he will die. To me that would suggest that Locke has another 3 years until he dies because he TT's off island to present day 07/08 talks to the O6'ers and Ben kills him,

Jack puts him on a plane the plane lands on island with a bang with 4 of the O6'ersf TTing to 77 and the rest of 316 we assume is present day... I didn't think they were because we don't know what year the island is on since the DI were purged.

We don't know if the island's been moved before or what it would make sense that the island was moved after Widdy was exiled to insure he could never find it

Now we also know why Ellie didn't know what would become of Des after the shooting because it hadn't happened before. This was one of the events that occur after Widdy broke the rules and changed the game by sending Keamy to the island which results in Alex's death.

Any thoughts? Does anyone agree? If not please explain why as I'm really trying to figure out Locke!!

If this is correct that the island is in a different time then it also explains why Christian is alive.

He flashed to the future for him at the time, but the time that he flashed to after being shot and being cared for by Richard is actually the present, as we saw in today's episode.

So are we sure that 316 landed in the now or did it landed before 815 crashed? I don't think we can be sure just when Bram & co are. When Richard told Sun he was here in '77 he said I was here in '77 not I was here 30 years ago. It's like he is being careful not to mention what year it is. Maybe Bram & co are part of the purge?

They are definitely in 2008. Have you missed the captions saying 30 years earlier and 30 years later?

O.K My brain is partially fried.........but anyway.......I just assumed(ha) that 316 landed in the future. Since we saw what I thought were the old Dharma barracks abbandoned when Sun and Frank were together. Maybe they weren't Dharma houses. :undecide:

O.K My brain is partially fried.........but anyway.......I just assumed(ha) that 316 landed in the future. Since we saw what I thought were the old Dharma barracks abbandoned when Sun and Frank were together. Maybe they weren't Dharma houses. :undecide:

316 landed in 2008, which was the future to the the 2004 time we had been in for four seasons. The old looking abandoned Dharma barracks has been discussed a lot in previous episode threads, as it doesn't look like abandoned Otherville barracks, but that's another issue.

i assumed that the new plane crashed after our original Losties because of the runway that was built over by the Hydra,

i assumed that the new plane crashed after our original Losties because of the runway that was built over by the Hydra,

Yes, you are correct. Flight 316 ;anded 3 years after Flight 815 crashed.

Ben turned the Wheel and started the flashing in very late 2004 or very early 2005. Two of the flashes took them to a time after the wheel was turned (i.e. "the future", i.e. 2007) -- the one where Richard helps Locke and the one where they find the boats and water bottle.

After Locke (2004 Locke) was fixed up by Richard, he flashed quickly. The plane might give some general idea of time frame, but nothing exact.

So to me, the question is, how did he know exactly what time it was - just as Ben asked. The answer Locke (2008 Locke) gave was: the Island told me.

How and when did the island tell John this? When John was "dead"?

I'm confused, but if Ethan shot John and then Richard helped a shot John because new and improved John told him to... then 316 had to have crashed back on the island in 2004 or before, while Ethan is still alive and before Ethan met John, which means 316 landed before 815 but definitely after the purge in 88, was it?
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And, Locke also knows the island is about to flash for old Locke but the others and 316ers don't skip so it seems like they're in parallel universes. does that make sense?

I wonder if when Locke fixed the FDW onto it's axis what year it was on the island What if it was 2010 and he jumped back 3 years to 2007 to bring the 06 back thus even though he died off island when he came back he was still alive because it was 2007 island time and he hadn't fixed the FDW yet. Ohhh I just really confused myself.

It defies belief how people repeatedly get confused by the time leaps.
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After Locke (2004 Locke) was fixed up by Richard, he flashed quickly. The plane might give some general idea of time frame, but nothing exact.

So to me, the question is, how did he know exactly what time it was - just as Ben asked. The answer Locke (2008 Locke) gave was: the Island told me.

How and when did the island tell John this? When John was "dead"?

The Island Told Me is just another Smokey. Great plot devices.

It defies belief how people repeatedly get confused by the time leaps.

The Island Told Me is just another Smokey. Great plot devices.

Haha. Hopefully the last of the time traveling happens this finale.

Go back to Epsiode 1. John flashed back to when the Yemi's plane crashed. He went to investigate and was shot by Ethan. Ethan was about to kill him when John flashed again. This time, he was met by Richard who fixed him up and told him he would have to die to save his friends. So last night's episode clearly shows us the jump after Ethan shot him was back to the present.

There are some ambiguities, but I believe the evidence suggests the following approximate dates

Early 2000's: pre-dead-John flashes in, sees the plane crash, climbs up towards it, gets shot by Ethan, flashes out.

Jan 2008: 316 takes off
Jan 2008 later: 316 lands
Jan 2008 even later: post-dead-John takes Richard to the jungle to take the bullet out of pre-dead-John, who flashes in, walks around to the side of the plane, gets the bullet taken out, and flashes out again (back to early 2000's, I think, and then to 1954, and then he'll be coming back to 2008 to borrow the canoes from Ilana)

After Locke (2004 Locke) was fixed up by Richard, he flashed quickly. The plane might give some general idea of time frame, but nothing exact.

So to me, the question is, how did he know exactly what time it was - just as Ben asked. The answer Locke (2008 Locke) gave was: the Island told me.

How and when did the island tell John this? When John was "dead"?
In Locke's timeline it has been maybe two months, at the most, since he left the Island. It is quite feasible to think Locke could remember what Richard was wearing, the night Richard dug the bullet out of his leg, that's how he knew it was the same day. He knew it happened at night all he had to do was bring them to the beechcraft and wait.

The Lostpedia timeline might clarify some things. It's not definite, but a compliation of all known info that fans edit when new things are revealed. Here is the time flashes timeline: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Time_shifts
(http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Time_shifts)

Go back to Epsiode 1. John flashed back to when the Yemi's plane crashed. He went to investigate and was shot by Ethan. Ethan was about to kill him when John flashed again. This time, he was met by Richard who fixed him up and told him he would have to die to save his friends. So last night's episode clearly shows us the jump after Ethan shot him was back to the present.

I think that by that last part, you mean 2007 (or 2008, whatever it is) is the present, because it's the most recent era in the story. I think that's confusing wording, especially since we're talking about Locke, whose timeline is completely different from anyone else's.

Remember that Locke jumped to 2007 at the same time that everyone else jumped to 1974. So if we're going to say that Jack, Sawyer, and the rest are "in the past", then Locke is to the same degree "in the future".

The flashing began in late 2004/early 2005. So that would be The Present for Locke. 2007 would be The Future for him. So when he flashed to the scene we saw again in "Follow the Leader", from his perspective, he was in the future.