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Locke centric episode!
YES!

Oh, good! A Locke side-flash!

poor John!

poor Locke, even in the alt world he can't catch a break.

Who was driving Locke's van? Aw, Helen!

Oh, wow! In the alt timeline, John and Helen are still together!

Aw! Yes he can! Woo for Helen! And his dad?!

Is Locke on good terms with his Dad then?

he is with Helen!
Yay!
Locke is happy in this universe!
So nice to see

Maybe we will learn how Locke how all the money (all the money that it didn't matter how long he talked on the phone.)

Oh- she said his dad - what's going on?

This Locke seems much more resinged and happy then the other one. Hmm he lied to Helen about what he was doing!

"Get my parents, and your dad..." Locke's dad? Locke is on good terms with his dad? So is his dad not the reason he's in a wheelchair in this timeline?

Get Locke's Dad? So, how did alt-Locke wind up in the wheelchair?

Happy Locke? We are not used to this! :p

He's still lying about things in this verse

holy crap
smokey cam

and the stooges playing in sawyer's house

The barrier is down so smokie can go anywhere

I'm happy with the side-Locke story. Hopefully it's not as tragic as "real" Locke... and LOVE Smokey vision!! freaking awesome! I have high hopes for this ep.

Gotta say, "Maybe it's destiny" was a pretty good line, there.

Smokey is patrolling the island? Landed, and found weaponry...

Smokey Cam!

this is great

Poor Richard :(

The Stooges very nice and a machete wielding not Locke

"Alright, Richard...time to talk." Why do I think Richard is actually going to talk to us more than he's gonna talk to NotLocke.

Wow, great POV from Smokey -- and transition to Flocke. Great!

Poor Richard. Stop abusing him!

Locke and Helen getting married. So beautiful to see.

Excellent Smoke Monster perspective.

what was that music inside the cabin?

holy crap
smokey cam


That was pretty cool

omg
this might turn out to be the best episode ever
so far
lol

Maybe we're about to get some island answers. Although I hope more off-island questions get answered before the finale.

how did he get paralyzed if he is cool with his dad? hmmmm

I'm thinking he left the machete when he tied up richard..just a guess

Locke's lying to everybody. That's gonna catch up with him in the non-crash.

Which is more bizarre....happy Locke or confused scared Richard?

Whos in the house?

He told the other Box company employee that Helen was coming with him on the walkabout, in the previous, crash timeline scenerio.

That changed. Wonder what other changes have happened to his pre-flight story.

how did he get paralyzed if he is cool with his dad? hmmmm
Great question! and he must not have gotten obssesed this time

Smokey Cam!

Loved Smokie Cam!

Oh, Randy . . . bad things are about to happen for Locke :/

So, it's not October?

think we could get a flaming arrow for Randy?

looks like Randy is still an a-hole in the other universe.
although that's a pretty big mess up from Locke.

Nooo, Richard, don't drink that water!

Richard doesn't know anything!!!!!!

MIB + Richard love? This is kinda getting awkward...

Well, tough to say Locke didn't deserve to get fired, there. He flew to Sydney on the company dime.

Looks like we're gonna get some answers, here. And it's seeming like Jacob is not the absolute good guy, here....

Richard's in the dark this whole time? talk about blind devotion

Richard really was being kept in the dark by Jacob, just like I thought.

wtf

who was that kid in the jungle

So Randy is still a jerk in this time line

who was the little boy? young Locke or young Jacob?

Oh crap! Don't kill Richard! Oh, good.

Wonder what MiB saw?

was that one of our kids? or just and Other kid?

Never seen Richard that freaked out. Was that a young Jacob?

Smokey is seeing weird things on the island? If Smokey is what makes other people see weird things, what makes Smokey see weird things?

Oh, and by the way, the devil will tell you he's telling the truth as he lies to your face....

notice the ash is white and the outside ash is black..jacob burned white

the ash!

it really is jacob's ashes??

Who was that little dude? Tiny Jacob?

White ash! I wonder if the white ash around the cabin was made in a similar way . . .
100%
Saywer's hammered

Ha. sawyer listening to old punk rock. 70s style

Jeronimo Jackson anyone!

Okay, I gotta say, so far in this ep, we're getting a lot of questions, rather than a lot of answers. I just hope a lot of them are answered by the end of the ep, or all heck's gonna break loose on these boards!

What's going on in New Otherton? Of course. Sawyer's drinkin'. What would you do? :shotsmileynn6:

Smokey is seeing weird things on the island? If Smokey is what makes other people see weird things, what makes Smokey see weird things?

Oh, and by the way, the devil will tell you he's telling the truth as he lies to your face....

yeah what the crap was up with that?

I guess the weird island apparitions are not MIB or Jacob??

Who is that band?

Who is that band?

Iggy pop & the stooges

classic

yeah what the crap was up with that?

I guess the weird island apparitions are not MIB or Jacob??

So maybe the Island was controlling the visions. It's more alive then we thought after this thing with jacob and mib

Maybe he went to see the Healer that Rose and Bernard went to see?

Or maybe he DID go on the Walkabout!

So they saw a little boy in the woods? Apparently I blinked and missed it.

Iggy pop & the stooges

classic

Thanks I was thinking it was JJ. Never did like much of the 70's stuff was so happy when that decade ended.

So they saw a little boy in the woods? Apparently I blinked and missed it.

Yeah, I didn't see it either:confused:

So they saw a little boy in the woods? Apparently I blinked and missed it.
Not they, just MiB, Richard appeared to see nothing

Who is that band?

Search and Destroy by Iggy and the Stooges. Classic awesome.

So they saw a little boy in the woods? Apparently I blinked and missed it.

looked like a young boy in tattered clothing and raggedy blonde hair

very weird

why is he even bothering with a glass?

Who's that kid theories?

Aaron? Young _____ (someone we know)? Looked like Zach from the tail section

drunk sawyer is awesome

Who was that little dude? Tiny Jacob?

Maybe. That was creepy, for sure.

Sawyer is a man of perception, even when he's drunk

Good call, drunken mess Sawyer.

can't con a con

Wow, Sawyer picked up on notLocke really fast.

Ooh...that is an important question....

Oh my God! Just answer the question! Pleeeeeease?!

lol
that scene was great
althoug the MIB seems to speak in vagaries just like everyone else

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"i guess better put some pants on"... classic Sawyer!!!

hurley and Locke parking lot fight
priceless

Locke finally meets his boss

man

this alt universe is exploring all the connections that were present but never connected

so nuts

Locke's flipping out on the guy who could give him his job back!

Got to love hurley..he's such a sweetie

Aw! I love AU Hurley too!

LOL! Go Hurley! "Randy Nations...that guy is a huge douche!"

Nice thing Hurley said..."Keep your chin up. Things are gonna work out."

The flash side ways is being so nice to Locke. Even when things go wrong it fixes itself

uh
how does Ilana know about Jin?

Locke has such a better life in this life

John is going in the cemetary with the rest

No! Jin is with Rousseau-Claire! Crap, Jin should've stayed

THANKYOU Sun, finally somebody wants to give Locke's corpse some dignity

The kid is Peter Pan until further notice in my book.

Uh...Jin was at the temple. Now he's with Claire.

LOL! "What were you doing alone in that house, James?" "Drinkin'"

Awesome! Smokey is having weird visions!

so did anyone hear wishpers with the kid?

That's funny. "Who the hell's that? Hell yeah I can see him."

The kid == Aaron maybe? How weird would that be?

Sawyer: I don't wanna effein run!

wtf
the MIB has a Locke moment!?!?!?!
so confused

so the kid is jacob reincarnated..and flocke has picked up some of locke's personality I think

The kid is Peter Pan until further notice in my book.

I like it!

I think it's young Jacob, to be honest

I love that - his "don't tell me what I can't do!" lives in both realities!

Enjoying this Flash-sideways much more this episode.

Whoa, James can see him.

Don't tell me what I can't do.

FRAKKIN AWESOME

I think the 'you cant kill him' implies that Jacob just is reborn
That would be epic...

Geez! Nobody tell anybody what to do anymore. Everyone would be happy then.

And I think the kid is either young Jacob or Aaron. I'm leaning more towards Aaron though.

I don't want THE answer till The End... like 6th Sense

I think the 'you cant kill him' implies that Jacob just is reborn
That would be epic...

"HIm" could be anyone at this time..Sawyer, Jack, the guy running the Temple. Since we haven't seen another Jacob yet I'm going with someone we know already who's still alive

this alt universe is exploring all the connections that were present but never connected

so nuts

Love it!

uh
how does Ilana know about Jin?

Uh... good question. Talk on the beach?

Young Jacob (or whoever) is creepy.

Richard! Yay!

wtf
the MIB has a Locke moment!?!?!?!
so confusedEither he's retained some of Locke's personality, or they had more in common to begin with than one might have assumed.

Richard's all freaked out!

Thank you Sawyer! You get those answers!

Wow -- MIB is channeling Locke! The kid? Could be Jacob or Aaron? My original thought was that he reminded me of Sawyer when he was little. Probably J or A though.

Richard freaked out makes me sad.

"What kid?" Ummm k.....

Richard acting like a spazzy nutjob
lol

Good point Sawyer, Flocke says he has answers, Richard never wants to give any, why should Sawyer trust him?

personality test..got to love 'em..always given by those with none

Wow, that lady is weird.

Rose!!

I am loving this sideways flash!

WTF? Is this a job interview, or a psych eval?

Rose! Yay! Is she healthy in this timeline?

Rose works for Hurley too?

Who doesn't work for him?
lol

also, why is Rose in LA? Aren't her and Bernard from NY?

Rose! I hope that she is healthy!

Don't mess with Rose!..hehe

Good for Sawyer - that was decent not to turn in Richard.

Wow - Rose is still sick in this reality!

Rose Nadler!

And she still has terminal cancer.

Rose! I hope that she is healthy!
Well, I got my answer. :frown: Poor Rose!!

NO! I don't like this sideways flash anymore! She's supposed to live happily (a long time) on the island with Bernard and Vincent.

I'm sad about Rose.

Wow -- MIB is channeling Locke! The kid? Could be Jacob or Aaron? My original thought was that he reminded me of Sawyer when he was little. Probably J or A though.Ooh...Yeah...Could be Aaron....

So Rose does have cancer. And the similarity between the two people healed by the island in the other timeline comes into play in the alt timeline....

Nice...Steinbeck is "a little after my time"...just what was Smokey's time?

Mice and Men is after his time.

so who trapped him? jacob? or were they trapped together?

Oo hearkening back to Of Mice and Men! Nice. Season 3...

Who did the MIB love?

Trapped.

so the kid is jacob reincarnated

I believe the kidd is Jacob also!

I love how a lot of this seems like a big nod to the fans.... or is it just me?

So, the MIB has been trapped, for a long time
Im guessing by Jacob

just like I thought

also, he lost someone he loved?
and he was a human man?

That was a GREAT scene! Great speech from Smokey.

:wavey: Hi Gregg!

Hi Gregg! Your "namesake" Randy Nations cameos again. :biggrin:

Love the Mice and Men reference. For the 2nd time in this show

Ooh...Yeah...Could be Aaron....

Nice...Steinbeck is "a little after my time"...just what was Smokey's time?

I'm assuming the time of the Black Rock - 1800's? when the ship wrecked?

Yes, Ed, that was a good scene. I agree.

Rose should give Locke a job in demolitions.

Rose works for Hurley too?

Who doesn't work for him?
lol

also, why is Rose in LA? Aren't her and Bernard from NY?


I thought they were from NY too.

I wonder why Richard couldn't see the kid, but Sawyer could.

I'm assuming the time of the Black Rock - 1800's? when the ship wrecked?

No, he saw the Black Rock arrive. He is from before that time.

I mean seriously... Jacob/MIB = God/Lucifer

This kind of reminds me of the old game Myst. Two trapped brothers conning you(the player) into freeing them from their prison and just as you think you are finishing the game they turn it around and you're trapped. Myst was also a strange island.

I'm assuming the time of the Black Rock - 1800's? when the ship wrecked?

I'm thinking before that...I'm guessing that's Richard. MIB and Jacob may be more Ancient Egyptian

I thought they were from NY too.

Well in this version of the time line, she apparently lives in LA. In the original time line, she was also going to LA. I don't believe we know why. But they/she could have moved there.

Ilana = woman weeping at Jesus' tomb

I thought they were from NY too.
Agreed, she had made comments about the Bronx.

This kind of reminds me of the old game Myst. Two trapped brothers conning you(the player) into freeing them from their prison and just as you think you are finishing the game they turn it around and you're trapped. Myst was also a strange island.
Good comparison I forgot about Myst

so who trapped him? jacob? or were they trapped together?I'm going with the latter...he and Jacob were trapped by the same...uh.... :rolleyes:

But we've always been told that Smokey is a "security system." Since we met Jacob and MiB, I've felt he was there to guard Jacob.

Who did the MIB love?Did MiB really love someone? Or how much does he retain of the other people he has "been?" Perhaps one of them loved and lost.

Thanks, Ilana. He's stuck this way. Now that Jacob is dead?

Interesting that Ilana says he is stuck as Locke. Trapped again?

Wow...there's poetic justice...Ben is burying Locke's body....

see what I mean about the island shrinking?

apparently the Foot is right next to the beach camp?
uhhh
no

also, Smokey is stuck as Locke???

Go ahead, Ben, eulogize Locke. YES! He's gonna!

How ironic to have the man that killed you speak at your funeral

Locke's second funeral where no one had anything to say. Till Ben speaks up

Feel the guilt, Ben.

Nikki and Paulo - (I almost had to look up their names, I had forgotten them) I wonder if they have an alternate life off the island.

The most awkward eulogy ever!

Agreed, she had made comments about the Bronx.

Of course, but apparently she or they both moved. We don't know if she's with Bernard in this time line.

Burying John Locke. So weird.

Ben in an undershirt.

"...and I'm very sorry I murdered him."

I love Lapidus. "That's the weirdest damn funeral I ever been to."

alt Locke's alarm sounds like the hatch alarm
lol

also, Ben admitting Locke was a better man than him -- great stuff

I wonder why Richard couldn't see the kid, but Sawyer could.

Maybe Richard just didn't turn around in time.

Wow - that was probably the only honest thing Ben ever said - (about Locke). Loved LaPedus's line!

Nikki and Paulo - (I almost had to look up their names, I had forgotten them) I wonder if they have an alternate life off the island.

Oh God. I hope not.

love helen's shirt..Peace and Karma!

see what I mean about the island shrinking?

apparently the Foot is right next to the beach camp?
uhhh
no

also, Smokey is stuck as Locke???

Good point about the Foot next to the beach camp.

that was Walt at the door delivering the case

Nikki and Paulo - (I almost had to look up their names, I had forgotten them) I wonder if they have an alternate life off the island.

no no no no no

ha.

Locke! Talk to Jack! Don't hang up!

Ooo yay... here comes the truth about Australia.

oh no
alt locke, please don't screw up again with Helen!

The wedding .. . may be off

What does her shirt say? Peace and Karma?

Richard acting like a spazzy nutjob
lol

Good point Sawyer, Flocke says he has answers, Richard never wants to give any, why should Sawyer trust him?

Though apparently Richard doesn't know that much.
If you want answers, Ilana's the one to go to.

"He's stuck that way." , How does she know that?

I'm hoping that we find out some of her story tonight.

oh shoot - I can't rewind right now - was that really Walt?

alt Locke's alarm sounds like the hatch alarm
lolAwesome catch!

Ooh, Locke's in trouble not so much for lying to his boss, as much as for lying to his wife.

And he wasn't able to go on the walkabout in this timeline, either.

Locke needs to...uh...have a little faith....

wow
alt locke doesn't believe in miracles
and also same thing occurred for him with the walkabout
as I suspected

Helen is a little piece of awesomeness!

They wouldn't let him go. "But they were right."

Wow, very different version of events for Locke and Helen.

Awwww!!!! I love them. I'm glad alternate universe Locke is happy. And has "peace and karma"

Well, that was just plain adorable.

Always let the suspicious guy go first

Helen had BLACK fingernail polish on!!!!

It's nice to see Locke happy in the other reality

Holy crap! :O I could not do that!

Nice ladder. Tons o' fun, there. Can't wait to see what's at the bottom, though.

wtf
a ladder the goes down the side of the cliff to the sea

this is gettin weird

Locke can't kill him, but what's he trying to do - let him get killed!

Holy crap! Smokey's gonna save Sawyer's butt! Clearly he doesn't just want him dead...

Interesting...a scale of black and white...does this have anything to do with the idea that there have to be a certain number of people on the island at any given time?

Why are they climbing down a freaking cliff???

Oh jeez. WTF.

I KNEW that scene in the preview was out of context~!
Flocke saves sawyer, not tries to kill hm!

Wow - that was some good stunt work!

just how long has that ladder been there? and don't they know salt water makes everything breakdown faster?

Seriously..READ THIS

black fingernail polish for Helen!!!

I hope there's another exit, cause they can't get out the way they came in now

The stones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The writing on the wall !!

black and white rocks on a scale

inside joke!

HA

Haha, "inside joke".

So the "good one" (the white rock) is gone.

I saw Sayid, Hurley, and Sawyers last names

jarrah..reyes? names on the ceiling!

OK, I saw 8-Reyes, and Jarrrah - any other names that people recognized?

black and white stones on scales!

like Adam and Eve's stones!?

Their names???? Their names! I saw Jarrah. My roommate saw "Reyes" and there were numbers. And some names were crossed off.

Jarrah was NOT crossed off.

Names scrawled on a cave wall. Can't wait for a screen capture

I saw 5-Ford

Names and numbers...I was spoiled to that (it's tough to be a mod), but managed not to read any details.

Hurley was 8, Sawyer was 15, Sayid was 16. Wonder who 4, 23 and 42 are...Jin, Jack and Kate? Is that everyone who was brought to the temple?

Awesome! Number next to each name that match the "numbers"!

Need a screen cap to see the crossed out names.

With numbers... so Ugh. I need a screencap. But I know I saw the 4, 8, 15, 23 and 42... I dunno about 16. So they were somehow assigned one of the "numbers" and that's how it was determined who was "supposed" to be there?!

Didn't those names have the numbers in front of them? I think saw an 8 and an 15.

Seriously..READ THIS

black fingernail polish for Helen!!!

It's super trendy. I don't think it means anything in this case.

black and white rocks on a scale

inside joke!

HA

It IS an inside joke for us! lol.

I saw Sayid, Hurley, and Sawyers last names

You saw "Ford"?

Whose names WERE crossed off? If they get crossed off for dying, and Jarrah was not crossed off....
well, you get my drift.

I saw Jsrrah, Reyes and Ford. Reyes and Ford seemed to have a 5 next to them...

I had that scene spoiled a while ago and was still completely blown away by it.

Thought the names were going to be on paper, and didn't foresee all the other scratched out names.
Now, WTF does is all mean?

Saw Kwon - 42

wonder what the number with the name means? position on the board? order of presedence?

Not crossed off because we don't know if they will be claimed good white/Jacob or evil black/smokey?

But how could Hurley go bad - really? He's teh only one who doesn't seem as if he should be in purgatory

I saw 5-FordIt was "15 Ford"

Names and numbers...I was spoiled to that (it's tough to be a mod), but managed not to read any details.

Hurley was 8, Sawyer was 15, Sayid was 16. Wonder who 4, 23 and 42 are...Jin, Jack and Kate? Is that everyone who was brought to the temple?

dude
maybe they WILL explain the Numbers and the importance of the O6 in one fell swoop (not this epi though)

this is nuts

Names and numbers...I was spoiled to that (it's tough to be a mod), but managed not to read any details.

Hurley was 8, Sawyer was 15, Sayid was 16. Wonder who 4, 23 and 42 are...Jin, Jack and Kate? Is that everyone who was brought to the temple?
I think at the right of the screen there was a not crossed out name starting with the letter S.

THE numbers? SWEET!

Saw Kwon - 42Which is why it might have been Jin, as Aldo said. But it might be Sun.

So the white rock gets thrown into the water...wonder who's sense of dramatic irony it was that the ship brought to the island was called the Black Rock.

I guess it is if they were "recruited" or not.

bet Kate was 23, she said a while back that she saw 23s everywhere

Adam & Eve may not be a couple, but the last two waring forces.

Locke is substitute teaching. Oh, joy...he's subbing in a sex ed class.

OMG Ben!!!!!!!

Ahahahahahaahahahaaaaa Ben!

school teacher!..walt's school? Ben..yes!!!

WHAATT!! Ben is a teacher?

oh lord
Alt ben also lives in LA and encounters locke

this is getting to be a bit too much

Ben!!!

Oh my God. Best episode!

Oh Ben, you would be an excellent teacher. :)

42- Kwon

Jack is 23.

I was not expecting Ben in the faculty room! Nice...

The numbers by the names!

Was Rousseau there?

ok this part is stupid
WE KNOW who these people are
you dont have to waste time with this

now what was that smirk on Lock's face when he looked at Ben?

Man I can't wait to get home and watch this again on my DVR so I can pause it!

42 Kwon. Still waiting for 4...and there it is. 4 Locke.

23 - Sheperd I think that's his seat number on the plane too

So, Kate is not one of the chosen people?

the number 313 was by ford..haha...area code for the Detroit area..use to be the area code for the whole of eastern michigan

So now it seems Jacob wasn't all about free will, but about manipulating people.

wheres Kate's name/number?

but if going was the third chose why hasn't flocke gone before now?

NotLocke wants Sawyer to take him off the island...but what would Smokey do in the real world? Don't do it Sawyer!

wow

so
jacob wanted to protect the island, yet he was the one bringing people there all the time that might harm it? that dont make sense

well so much for Sawyer's love for Kate - guess he is leaving her behind!