Latin translation please

Yes, please. Pronto! :smile:

What did it sound like phonetically? I forgot already...we can try to figure it out if we see the latin posted.

I saw it was translated as meaning -

HE WHO SHALL SAVE US ALL

Not sure if thats correct but that was one thing i saw being kicked around

"Ille qui nos omnes servabit" was on my captions.

The closest I can come is "He who we all watch over" (or protect, serve, keep, guard, preserve, save)

)

Since Jacob's living in the shadow of the statue all the time by being under it, any of those could makes sense iowalost.

I thought we were going to get a direct answer, but nooooooo, they have go and give it to us in Latin. Figures.

Per Lostpedia's immediate recap review: "He who will protect us." So, yes, the above ideas are correct.

Sure seems like Jacob is the good guy. Helpful and kind, wanting peace. Ilana sure trusts him.

We shall see....

I'd love to hear from people who are knowledgeable about Egyptian statues, to comment on what we now see is the head of a crocodile or alligator. Does this tell us anything of interest?
And, what was Richard's reply to Ilana about what lies beneath the statue.. what language was that and why did he say?
Thanks

"Ille qui nos omnes servabit" was on my captions.

The closest I can come is "He who we all watch over" (or protect, serve, keep, guard, preserve, save)

)

Per Lostpedia's immediate recap review: "He who will protect us." So, yes, the above ideas are correct.

Sure seems like Jacob is the good guy. Helpful and kind, wanting peace. Ilana sure trusts him.

We shall see....
The first thing that came to my mind after hearing the Latin was the translation of Jack's tatoos, lol. "He walks among us, but is not one of us." Could they be related??

"Ille qui nos omnes servabit" was on my captions.

The closest I can come is "He who we all watch over" (or protect, serve, keep, guard, preserve, save)

)

"servabit" = 3d person singular, not 1st person plural.... thus "he" is the subject of the verb, "we" the object.

(Disclaimer: The above is pretty much the entire extent of my knowledge of Latin =) If it was Greek or Hebrew I could be of better assistance....)

Per Lostpedia's immediate recap review: "He who will protect us." So, yes, the above ideas are correct.

Sure seems like Jacob is the good guy. Helpful and kind, wanting peace. Ilana sure trusts him.

We shall see....

Yeah it does seem like he's good but then again if they're his followers of course they believe he can save him, its how he looks to outsiders that matters.

I really dont have the foggiest idea of who's good and bad any more lol but i sure am loving it

So Ilana was the only one who seemed to know Jacob even before we saw him visit her pre-Island. Any ideas on how she knew him and their relationship?

His reply was in Latin, but I didn't catch the words. I'm sure someone will post a transcript and translation eventually.

Cardie

Richard knew him.

I read in another thread it was something to the effect of "He who is here to save us"

So, were they speaking Latin in the hospital?

BrothaJefe316,
I know. I wish they would have kept with the "Jacob" theme and used Hebrew. Then I could follow along. :P

Richard knew him.
True and he made Richard ageless.

But Ilana knew him off Island pretty well it seemed.

Someone posted in another thread that it was roughly "He who protects us." I found it interesting that Ilana called him "Ricardus" and that he replied in Latin...did we already know his lineage before tonight? Now I really want to see his backstory.

-steve

So, were they speaking Latin in the hospital?

BrothaJefe316,
I know. I wish they would have kept with the "Jacob" theme and used Hebrew. Then I could follow along. :P

No, not Latin, maybe a Slavic language?

Yeah it wasnt Latin, knowing a few romance languages myself, I can pick up on some latin whenever I hear it, but I wasnt getting that vibe during the hospital scene.

Sure seems like Jacob is the good guy. Helpful and kind, wanting peace. Ilana sure trusts him.

We shall see....

Are you serious? He seems totally evil to me. We know he lures people to the island.

No, not Latin, maybe a Slavic language?
Yes, russian :)

We learned in Jughead that the Others all speak Latin.

I know that Ilana is looking for a "candidate," who I assume is the one who will take over Jacob's role as protector if he needs to switch bodies.

Cardie

Check out Sobek,the crocodile-headed god in wiki: he's described as the god who came out of the water of chaos to create the world. As a primary force his role was more subtle than overt; he effected change to evil done in the world by nudging others/things along to correct an evil path. As we saw Jacob tonight, telling Ben he had a choice; he could leave and not do what the being-who-looked-like-John wanted him to do. I'd like to see a literal translation of Richard's answer to the riddle too. "He who protects us" fits with the role of Sobek. So, is 'Jacob' then Sobek? Will he rise from the fiery pit and 'inhabit' a 'candidate' if one appears in time? Was the force animating the form of John actually Smoky?

Finally, an answer! My roommate is a Latin teacher, and after rewinding it umpteen times... we came up with this.

Ille qui nos omnes servabit or "He who will all preserve" or in layman's terms "He who will preserve us all"

So, what lies in the shadow of the statue was Jacob, who is the one who will preserve or save everyone. And now he's dead.. Uh oh.....

I knew someone would have the answer.

There's another old thread that covered the statue from the last time we saw it. Lots of information there. KansasGal is very knowledgeable about it.

http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109067

Cue Jack to enter stage right and claim his destiny. ;)

If only because a rumble between Jack/Jacob vs Locke/Esau next season would be pretty darn awesome.

It appears that the statue is Sobek, an egyptian god of ...
Fertility!

Ille qui nos omnes servabit. = He who will save us all.

Yes, it is Latin

My vote goes to Taweret. Twin ankhs, pillbox hat, etc. And the face of a hippo.

And the face of a hippo.

I think it's mostly Tawaret too, but just to play devil's advocate: the statue had a crocodilian head in this episode. Tawaret's been portrayed with a crocodile snout in real carvings, though, so it's all good.

-steve

statue was absolutely amazing. So glad to have finally seen it. Now I want to see it tumble down!!

Ille qui nos omnes servabit. = He who will save us all.

Yes, it is Latin

Thank you thank you thank you. I looked all around the forum until I found this reply. :)

Thank you thank you thank you. I looked all around the forum until I found this reply. :)

Same here! I just spent about 20 minutes looking for the translation! Thanks! Now I can say I know what lies in the shadow of the statue! I feel special :)

Just a totally crazy thought. When the sun comes up, won't Locke be lying in the shadow of the statue? Talk about a destiny.

I think it's mostly Tawaret too, but just to play devil's advocate: the statue had a crocodilian head in this episode. Tawaret's been portrayed with a crocodile snout in real carvings, though, so it's all good.

-steve

Probably said in another post/thread, but, I think Tawaret also. Tawaret was considered a protector of pregnant woman and childbirth,, I've seen that mentioned on a few sites, here's one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaret

If this is the case, perhaps the destruction of the statue is the reason that pregnant women die during childbirth. Ben seemed to indicate that he saw the statue when it was whole, at least that was my assumption based on his response to Sun's question about it.

It doesn't look like this statue has a crocodile tail, or a crocodile on it's back, so maybe not. But Sobek is also linked to fertility and has a crocodile face, so that could be as well, but Tawaret just seems like a more likely candidate due to the problems with pregnancy on the island.

I really REALLY hope we do see how and why the statue falls.

So Ilana was the only one who seemed to know Jacob even before we saw him visit her pre-Island. Any ideas on how she knew him and their relationship?

They dated back in high school...

:biggrin:

Can anyone tell me what Richard's answer to Ilana was? I looked for it, but haven't seen anything yet, so forgive me if this is a double post - if there is another thread, please point me in that direction. Thanks!

He who will save (protect) us all. It was in Latin.

I really REALLY hope we do see how and why the statue falls.

The wave that carries the Black Rock onto the island maybe?

Cue Jack to enter stage right and claim his destiny. ;)

If only because a rumble between Jack/Jacob vs Locke/Esau next season would be pretty darn awesome.

Honestly, I think that's where we're heading. Jacob and Esau continuing their fight via proxies.

Ille qui nos omnes servabit.

Maybe Mrs. Hawking knew exactly what sort of proxy Locke was going to be?

Cardie

Thank you!

Probably said in another post/thread, but, I think Tawaret also. Tawaret was considered a protector of pregnant woman and childbirth,, I've seen that mentioned on a few sites, here's one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaret

If this is the case, perhaps the destruction of the statue is the reason that pregnant women die during childbirth. Ben seemed to indicate that he saw the statue when it was whole, at least that was my assumption based on his response to Sun's question about it.

It doesn't look like this statue has a crocodile tail, or a crocodile on it's back, so maybe not. But Sobek is also linked to fertility and has a crocodile face, so that could be as well, but Tawaret just seems like a more likely candidate due to the problems with pregnancy on the island.

Taken from your link, the following lines make it unlikely that it is in fact Tawaret:
Taweret was depicted as a composite of all the things the Egyptians feared, the major part of her being hippopotamus, since this is what the constellation most resembled, with the arms and legs of a lioness, and with the back of a crocodile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaret

The head of the statue is pretty definitely not the head of a hippo, but rather a crocodile.. check the crooked mouth and teeth.
Arms and legs of a lioness: nope.. very human
Back of a crocodile: nope again.. perfect, human back

Sobek on the other hand looks much more like our statue..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek
Except the headdress and that he is holding two ankh instead of one.
This description is of special interest:
Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself (as we saw Jacob doing with Kate, Locke, Sayid, James, and Jin/Sun).

Did anyone get a translation of what the Russian nurse said?

I think Ilana may be another Richard, someone who passed Jacob's tests long ago on the island whom he made ageless. Perhaps after centuries of faithful service he starts their clocks again and lets them go back to the real world. I'd like to think Ilana is in fact an ancient Egyptian, although she could be a contact of Mikhail's as well.

Cardie

Maybe Mrs. Hawking knew exactly what sort of proxy Locke was going to be?

Cardie

You think so? So would that put her on Esau's side or Jacob's side? Or can't we tell at this point (surprise, surprise...lol)

Did anyone get a translation of what the Russian nurse said?

I think Ilana may be another Richard, someone who passed Jacob's tests long ago on the island whom he made ageless. Perhaps after centuries of faithful service he starts their clocks again and lets them go back to the real world. I'd like to think Ilana is in fact an ancient Egyptian, although she could be a contact of Mikhail's as well.

Cardie

Ilana is certainly someone in the know, that's for sure. I'm very eager to find out more about her.

Yes, I agree. I've considered Ilana being an ancient. Definitely.

I had a thought that she might have had a terrible accident, like Locke, one that she should have never survived. This crossed my mind when the nurse said that she had no visitors. Sad.

Haven't seen a translation for the nurse yet. If I do, I'll bring it over.

My wife is Russian. I'll have her translate that scene with the nurse. Also, what if we are mistaking the riddle? What if "lies" is actually lies, as in liar?? It could happen.

P.S. Holy cow, Cardie! Got enough posts?! We gotta find you a job or a hobby. Lol!

P.S. Holy cow, Cardie! Got enough posts?! We gotta find you a job or a hobby. Lol!

I'm retired and posting on the internet is my hobby. ;)

Cardie

Ille qui nos omnes servabit.
It's interesting that while the question was asked in English, the reply from Richard was in Latin. And we've already seen it mentioned on the show that The Others speak Latin: at least when they don't want outsiders to understand what they're saying. (Like when young Widmore and his flunky ran into the time-skipping losties.)

I wonder if the question was supposed to be, or once was, in Latin too?

It's interesting that while the question was asked in English, the reply from Richard was in Latin. And we've already seen it mentioned on the show that The Others speak Latin: at least when they don't want outsiders to understand what they're saying. (Like when young Widmore and his flunky ran into the time-skipping losties.)

I wonder if the question was supposed to be, or once was, in Latin too?

Not to mention the fact that if the answer is "He who will protect us..." the question should have been "Who lies in the shadow of the statue?" I know that would have ruined the mystery of the question, but it's interesting that the answer makes the question grammatically incorrect, considering that the questioner knew the answer.;)

Maybe Mrs. Hawking knew exactly what sort of proxy Locke was going to be?

Cardie
That's a very good question. Christian has been used by the Nemesis, it seems to set Locke in place as the Others' leader and to tell him to leave the Island and return dead. But Christian also took Aaron away from Claire, led Jack to water/caves, and said goodbye to Michael. In the grand scheme, I wonder why the Nemesis did those things?

Miles was offered a job with Widmore and then kidnapped to go with Ilana/Bram's group instead. So we know that Widmore is not on Jacob's side. Is Hawking with Widmore on this -- or against him?

While I'm not 100% sure that some of the apparitions aren't simply ghosts, rather than puppets for the Nemesis, he would want the 815ers to survive so he could get Locke to play his part in the loophole scheme (and it's Locke who shows up to save JAck right after Christian appears), might have used Michael to keep Ben alive for his part in the drama, and kept Aaron far away if Aaron is destined to be either Jacob's next vessel or the future leader of the Others who might fulfill Jacob's plan.

Cardie

I like the idea that "lie" may refer to a lie or a misrepresentation. For example Locke not really being Locke but Jacob's nemesis. Not sure how it applies but an interesting idea.

I agree with Spacefrost on this one...What 'lies' in the shadow of the statue ?

Ben.

Lies. Liar. Lies. He lied to Sun in the shadow of the statue about the statue.

So by Ben killing/stabbing Jacob is it "Ben" who protects/saves them all ? ;)

but Ben appeared to not know the answer to the question
He is an other, he shouldve known the answer
why not work with the group that works with/for jacob?

Good question, violentcorpse. All along Ben was on board to do anything Jacob asked, and yet he was left out the loop on this shadow Q&A. Richard answered Ilana without a pause, yet he never divulged this info to Ben.
Unless Ben was lying again. If he was, then he killed Caesar to weaken Jacob's forces. Locke (or whoever that was) gave Ben a long list of reasons he should hate Jacob enough to want to kill him. I wonder if Ben had already thought of those things and changed allegiances back when he was turning that donkey wheel.

I'm not necessarily saying that Ben needed to know the answer to the question. And yes for whatever reason Ben was left out of the Jacob loop...

Q : What "lies" ( as in who lies to someone else eg. a liar ) in the shadow of the statue.
A : He who will/save protect us all

Ben 'lied' to Sun in the shadow of the statue about not knowing what happened to the rest of it. So it is Ben who will protect/save them all ?


I still think as well that Jacob is going to do an Obi-Wan in Season 6 !

Deception

I dont remember anybody asking Ben what lies in the Shadow, blah blah. Did I miss something?

but Ben appeared to not know the answer to the question
He is an other, he shouldve known the answer
why not work with the group that works with/for jacob?
When was Ben ever asked the statue shadow question?

While I still think Jacob is the key here, it would be an interesting play if Ben, perhaps unwittingly is playing a role in Jacob's agenda. It seems to me that Jacob and Esau are somewhat limited in what they can do, especially to each other, hence the need for proxies. By Ben "killing" Jacob and thus releasing his spirit, Jacob is free to inhabit another body/person. This would the proxies to duke it out, perhaps to MAD.

Same as Ben and Widmore seem to be limited as to what they can do to each other.

Same as Ben and Widmore seem to be limited as to what they can do to each other.

True. We know that they seem to have rules, much the same as Jacob and his nemesis seem to have rules, because Widmore 'broke the rules' when he killed Alex...

Hey guys, I think it means "He who will save us all."

Just a totally crazy thought. When the sun comes up, won't Locke be lying in the shadow of the statue? Talk about a destiny.

Yeah, I've thought about this. Maybe the faux resurrection this season is foreshadowing (Ha! Foreshadowing!) an actual resurrection next season, and Locke will be the savior after all, after a Locke vs. Un-Locke throwdown for the future of the Island. That would keep Terry O'Quin quite busy.
100%
Maybe Mrs. Hawking knew exactly what sort of proxy Locke was going to be?

Cardie

That thought crossed my mind too!! Hawking is under suspicion, in my mind, as to which side she's on...

I'm not necessarily saying that Ben needed to know the answer to the question. And yes for whatever reason Ben was left out of the Jacob loop...

Q : What "lies" ( as in who lies to someone else eg. a liar ) in the shadow of the statue.
A : He who will/save protect us all

Ben 'lied' to Sun in the shadow of the statue about not knowing what happened to the rest of it. So it is Ben who will protect/save them all ?



I love this interpretation! :biggrin:;)

I love this interpretation! :biggrin:;)


Thank you ! :)

I also love the Sun/shadow combination too ! :)

I'm not necessarily saying that Ben needed to know the answer to the question. And yes for whatever reason Ben was left out of the Jacob loop...

Q : What "lies" ( as in who lies to someone else eg. a liar ) in the shadow of the statue.
A : He who will/save protect us all

Ben 'lied' to Sun in the shadow of the statue about not knowing what happened to the rest of it. So it is Ben who will protect/save them all ?


I still think as well that Jacob is going to do an Obi-Wan in Season 6 !

Doesn't "What", imply that it's not a person?
If they were referring to a person, shouldn't the line be "Who"?

So, it is a male thing, that is capable of deception?

Doesn't "What", imply that it's not a person?
If they were referring to a person, shouldn't the line be "Who"?

So, it is a male thing, that is capable of deception?


I understand where you are coming from with the 'what' as I would have said that myself before Richard stated the answer. Clearly Richard's answer to the question was a 'Who'.

So from the answer the question should have been : "Who lies in the shadow of the statue" not "What". But since we didn't get the answer for a couple of eps I guess it was the writer's way of misdirecting under the guise of a grammatically incorrect question. ;)

That is - if Richard's answer is indeed correct...

Not sure I understand the male thing ?

A : He who will/save protect us all - suggests a male of whatever It is.

Is "Not-Locke" a human or is he supernatural? Smokie, Jacob? all of them possibly male "What's"?

Just as we are suspecting TPTB of a double meaning with "Lie", can't "What" be misleading also.

Please forgive me, it's was way too early to engage my brain.

Jacob and the man in black both seem to be, at the very least, more than just men. Or men in positions to touch/use some arcane power.

Like so many things Lost, multiply interpretations leave the real answer hidden in plain sight. A needle in a stack of needles.

Technically, what lies in the shadow of the statue, at the most forward time point in Lost, is Jacob's dead body. :biggrin: And another interpretation of the word lies.