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teksmith
05-13-2009, 11:41 PM
The statue was destroyed by the H-Bomb. It always went off. That is why it is destroyed in 2007.

The start of season six is going to be Flt 815 crashing all over again. Another iteration through the loop. Season 6 will just be a compressed version of seasons 1-5 except this time they won't detonate the H-Bomb and the drill will cause a different incident causing the plane to never crash and Flt 815 will land safely in LA.

toddintexas
05-13-2009, 11:51 PM
Well, you're forgetting about the "war". I don't think we'll see an iteration, there's too many questions remaining from this 2008 to start all over again.

havok579257
05-13-2009, 11:59 PM
No way it starts all over again, to many questions would be unanswered. WHH, which means this was always supposed to happen this way.

davereese
05-14-2009, 12:04 AM
Small point of clarification - it wasn't the H-bomb that went off. It was the simple nuclear Bomb, the trigger mechanism of an H-Bomb, that went off. Big difference into the size and scope of destruction as well as possible radiological fallout.

KingMe122o
05-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Yeah. If it starts with them crashing, then they won't stop the bomb from detonating, because we've already seen that they detonate it.

ManOfScience6
05-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Yeah I don't see another iteration happening, there are way too many unanswered questions left for them just to 'start all over' again.

I'm thinking they get transported further into the past.

MizTification
05-14-2009, 08:35 AM
I don't know why, but I think that the statue was destroyed before the bomb went off. The statue and the temple look like ancient ruins to me. Wouldn't a nuclear bomb annihilate the whole statue? (Or maybe this is another one of those things, where we're expected to suspend our disbelief.;))

teksmith
05-14-2009, 08:46 AM
Small point of clarification - it wasn't the H-bomb that went off. It was the simple nuclear Bomb, the trigger mechanism of an H-Bomb, that went off. Big difference into the size and scope of destruction as well as possible radiological fallout.
The core is generally the bomb. The triggering devices (which are generally fission bombs, surround the core. The fission bombs surrounding the core all are detonated at the same time compressing the core material causing a fusion, or thermonuclear reaction.

Also, Sayid said that the core was a thermonuclear device, which by definition, is a Hydrogen Bomb.

Kevonski
05-14-2009, 08:48 AM
I don't think it always went off. I think we saw the one time Flagg's plan to detonate it worked, which resulted in him killing Jacob during this iteration.

augustwest
05-14-2009, 09:00 AM
sorry if there are posts about this-
but we were led to believe the bomb went off-
perhaps the flash was the 'incident'
or was the incident indeed the bomb?
hmmmmm...

drkollossus
05-14-2009, 12:10 PM
Both. I still say what happend, happend. Until they prove me wrong next year.

AuntBaboo89
05-14-2009, 03:56 PM
So would there still be a little girl Juliet running around in Miami who will grow up to be a fertility doctor even though the 1977 Juliet died?

sh4dy15
05-14-2009, 04:01 PM
teksmith i totally agree man. I jus posted a thread too about the Season 6 Promo showing the eye opening, its going to be the opening scene from the pilot. Something may be different this time around tho, i guess we'll see!

atlas1212
05-14-2009, 04:05 PM
I don't think so. I think we'll jack wake up but in 2007. It's a classic act 3. We've seen him open his eye in act one (815 crash). In act two (316 crash) and now act 3 with the "incident".

PairOfDucks
05-14-2009, 04:13 PM
So would there still be a little girl Juliet running around in Miami who will grow up to be a fertility doctor even though the 1977 Juliet died?

Yes. 1977 Juliet died twenty-some years AFTER the flashback we saw.

molly1977
05-14-2009, 04:22 PM
I don't know why, but I think that the statue was destroyed before the bomb went off. The statue and the temple look like ancient ruins to me. Wouldn't a nuclear bomb annihilate the whole statue? (Or maybe this is another one of those things, where we're expected to suspend our disbelief.;))

I agree. Ben told fake Locke or Sun (can't remember which) that the statue was already broken down like that whne he got there. Whatever happened to the statue happened before the H-Bomb

Saukkomies
05-14-2009, 04:48 PM
The core is generally the bomb. The triggering devices (which are generally fission bombs, surround the core. The fission bombs surrounding the core all are detonated at the same time compressing the core material causing a fusion, or thermonuclear reaction.

Also, Sayid said that the core was a thermonuclear device, which by definition, is a Hydrogen Bomb.
Actually, davereese had it right. The bomb that Juliet detonated at the bottom of the shaft was a fission bomb made of plutonium, NOT a hydrogen bomb. Jack says specifically as he's getting ready to remove it from Jughead that he's removing the plutonium trigger bomb. AND, in order for a fusion reaction to take place, it first must have the fission bomb explode, which creates temperatures high enough to make hydrogen fuse into helium.

So, regardless that Sayid called it a thermonuclear device, it is NOT a fusion bomb that Juliet detonated, but rather, it's the fission/plutonium trigger bomb that is part of the hydrogen bomb.

Moreover, the fission bomb that Jack removed is just meant to be a trigger - it's not meant to be a fission bomb that could even devastate a place like Hiroshima or Nagasaki - it's just a very very small fission bomb. They have bombs like this nowadays (well, rather, they made them at the end of the Cold War, and supposedly some of them are still around) that are called "Suitcase Bombs" - meaning, that they're fission bombs small enough to carry around in a suitcase, which makes them very easily concealed and transportable, but they are not nearly as powerful as a conventional fission bomb. A suitcase bomb could wipe out the Capitol Building in Washington D.C, but leave building just across the street (for instance, the Library of Congress) virtually untouched.

teksmith
05-14-2009, 08:15 PM
Actually, davereese had it right. The bomb that Juliet detonated at the bottom of the shaft was a fission bomb made of plutonium, NOT a hydrogen bomb. Jack says specifically as he's getting ready to remove it from Jughead that he's removing the plutonium trigger bomb. AND, in order for a fusion reaction to take place, it first must have the fission bomb explode, which creates temperatures high enough to make hydrogen fuse into helium.

So, regardless that Sayid called it a thermonuclear device, it is NOT a fusion bomb that Juliet detonated, but rather, it's the fission/plutonium trigger bomb that is part of the hydrogen bomb.

Moreover, the fission bomb that Jack removed is just meant to be a trigger - it's not meant to be a fission bomb that could even devastate a place like Hiroshima or Nagasaki - it's just a very very small fission bomb. They have bombs like this nowadays (well, rather, they made them at the end of the Cold War, and supposedly some of them are still around) that are called "Suitcase Bombs" - meaning, that they're fission bombs small enough to carry around in a suitcase, which makes them very easily concealed and transportable, but they are not nearly as powerful as a conventional fission bomb. A suitcase bomb could wipe out the Capitol Building in Washington D.C, but leave building just across the street (for instance, the Library of Congress) virtually untouched.
Sayid is wrong? Sayid said it was thermonuclear. A thermonuclear bomb is a hydrogen bomb. It was also in the core. Triggers usually are not located in the core, but surround the core. I think the writers intended for this bomb to be thermonuclear, or a H-Bomb.

Saukkomies
05-14-2009, 08:18 PM
Sayid is wrong? Sayid said it was thermonuclear. A thermonuclear bomb is a hydrogen bomb. It was also in the core. Triggers usually are not located in the core, but surround the core. I think the writers intended for this bomb to be thermonuclear, or a H-Bomb.
Think what you will, teksmith. But that was not a hydrogen bomb that Jack brought to the Swan site. Sorry.

NBC001
05-14-2009, 08:56 PM
The statue was destroyed by the H-Bomb. It always went off. That is why it is destroyed in 2007.

The start of season six is going to be Flt 815 crashing all over again. Another iteration through the loop. Season 6 will just be a compressed version of seasons 1-5 except this time they won't detonate the H-Bomb and the drill will cause a different incident causing the plane to never crash and Flt 815 will land safely in LA.
The statue was destroyed before 1974 so it could not have been destroyed by the incident.

When the time traveling Losties were at the well and they flashed to the past the statue was there. Locke turned the FDW and they flashed (final flash) to 1974 the statue was gone. So the incident could not have destroyed the statue.