While re-watching: the beginning of the end, Hugo was at the cabin, was scared away by someone looking back at him, Hugo said to himself 'it's not there, it's not there' , he opened his eyes and it was gone, and he met up with Locke. Was it in Hugo's head or did he/island time travel? And was the time travel after the cabin was burned? If hugo tt then wouldn't that mean that the tt/island is controlled by someone or something? Otherwise how could have Hugo met up with Locke again at the same point in time? If it's not tt travel and only in Hugo's head, then can we believe anything that Hugo says or does? BTW in the same episode Hugo tells jack 'Loop dude Loop'

While re-watching: the beginning of the end, Hugo was at the cabin, was scared away by someone looking back at him, Hugo said to himself 'it's not there, it's not there' , he opened his eyes and it was gone, and he met up with Locke. Was it in Hugo's head or did he/island time travel?
In his head. All he did was turn around and face away from it. It's all pretend, same way Benry pretended Jacob was talking to Locke inside.

And was the time travel after the cabin was burned? If hugo tt then wouldn't that mean that the tt/island is controlled by someone or something? Otherwise how could have Hugo met up with Locke again at the same point in time? If it's not tt travel and only in Hugo's head, then can we believe anything that Hugo says or does?
No. Nor any of the other characters. That's how they made the islands disappear too.

Robert

I think that Hurley is much more important than many people give him credit for. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we were to find out that Hurley is the one who is most integral to the plot and plays one of the biggest parts, if not the biggest part, in the final outcome (whatever that may be).

I don't think it's all just in Hurley's head... Time travel could be a reasonable explanation, but I'll hold out judgment. I think the cabin's just Island-magical.

I agree with CharliesHeroin that the cabin is, as he put it, "Island-magical."

And shortly after this episode, when Locke and Ben want to go to the cabin, Ben believes they need Hurley to go with them because he knows where the cabin is.

So even if Hurley is crazy, I think Ben's beliefs give credence to Hurley's experiences with the cabin.

Personally, I don't think the cabin disappearing had anything to do with time travel and the eventual burning down of the cabin (although those are good thoughts). If we ever find out what that ring of ash is all about, I think that might give us a better clue about the cabin and it's ability to seemingly move locations and only appear to certain people.

Also, Ilana's comment, "Someone else has been using it," seems to imply that it has powers. I'm speculating, but if she just meant "someone else has been living here," I think she would have said that instead of implying that it can be used in a certain way.

And of course, she and Bram thought it was relevant that the ash had been disturbed. And Ben seemed agitated when he told Locke not to touch the ash on their first cabin visit together.

Interesting idea about the tt, but this wasn't the only time Hurley did such a thing. Remember when he closed his eyes and "wished away" Charlie? Charlie said "Don't do this Hurley" but when Hurley opened his eyes, Charlie was gone!

Putting both of these incidents together, can we hypothesize that Hurley has some power over visions/unusual things/cabins/dead but heres?

That "close your eyes and it's gone" power of Hurley's always seemed important to me.

charlie was a ghost and for some reason he could wish him away or make him leave because charlie kept saying, "don't do this hurley".

fringe, i'm going to go with you on this. i just rewatched it and thought the exact same thing.

1. sawyer asks hurley if he's alright while they're walking and hurley brushes him off. sawyer says, i'll be right up here if you need me. not a few seconds later (and i mean A FEW SECONDS)

2. hurley is lost and is calling out, yelling out for the "guys". now, i don't care how big that jungle is, just like when sayid and shannon were looking for vincent in the rain and she lost sayid within seconds and she was too, yelling for him, she fell, and then of course, when she looked up, there was walt. after hurley loses sawyer within moments, there's the cabin.

3. he looks inside and i paused....it was an asian eye, maybe chang or miles....my opinion. as he's running , he turns and closes his eyes and wishes it away, opens them and it is STILL THERE and the door opens, he turns, runs and falls, rolls over and then there's locke. "hello hurley". he looks again, and he cabin is gone. he does not wish the cabin away. it doesn't go away when he tries.

one question should be WTF with locke?????

both shannon and hurley fall, one before her sighting of walt and he after his sighting of the cabin.

now, when shannon and sayid both see walt before she is shot, i'd have to rewatch that again to see what happens. because she sees walt first, he doesn't and then something happens for him to see walt.

i think that they are stepping through some kind of time frame without them knowing. when hurley looked in the cabin, it didn't look like christian sitting in the rocking chair, but it could have been. someone else came to the window, so why were there two people there? maybe the person in the rocker was the "other man" and the person looking out the window was watching him, keeping him there.


And shortly after this episode, when Locke and Ben want to go to the cabin, Ben believes they need Hurley to go with them because he knows where the cabin is.

of course ben knows that hurley saw the cabin because when locke is going in one direction to approach it, hurley says that it's not that way, it's this way. ben caught that right away and then hurley tried to cover it up. maybe when he stepped through time, he came upon another part of the island, which is why he came upon locke. when hurley finally showed up to sawyer, sawyer was worried and wondered where the heck he was. he wouldn't have lost him in such a short time. especially if they were yelling for each other.



"Someone else has been using it,"
she was there looking for jacob. it looked like in season 5 finale that he was residing in the foot of the statue. i think it's speculated that "the other man" was held in the cabin until he found his loop hole in locke.

Just putting it out there that Hurley also seemed to will the van to start. Maybe he's able to wil things to happen if he puts his mind to it. Like Locke telling Walt to see it (the knife in this case) with his mind's eye. It's Hurley's superpower.

very good point, madge!

speaking of the van, just something i noticed while watching beginning of the end, someone has a rosary hanging from the rearview mirror of the van........the kind that the little old ladies make in church to give away when they go visit sick and give to the children. who would have put that there???

I think Hurley really encountered the Cabin, which Jacob moved temporarily outside of the ash circle to meet with the Man in Black. It's the latter's eye that Hurley sees...

could be bigmouth, but it definitely wasn't the same actor.

I don't think Charlie was a ghost. I was kind of thinking the cabin may be like the Lampost or something... a way to other places possibly a portal

what do you mean about charlie? that he's not dead or that he was a figment of hurley's imagination? because if you think the latter, how would hurley get these so called facts from his imagination. remember he told jack that someone would be visiting him and that he "is not suppose to raise him".

well I personally think that that we are dealing with alternate realities.. which I know that it is another thread but thats my opinion. I don't know how to explain it all lol I just don't think he is not a ghost.. I am still trying to piece that all together. I thought I remembered the writers saying there wasn't any supernatural things, that everything could be explained by science or psuedo science so I guess I am clinging to that. I am also a big fan of fringe ;)

I think that Hurley is much more important than many people give him credit for. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we were to find out that Hurley is the one who is most integral to the plot and plays one of the biggest parts, if not the biggest part, in the final outcome (whatever that may be).

I don't think it's all just in Hurley's head... Time travel could be a reasonable explanation, but I'll hold out judgment. I think the cabin's just Island-magical.

Did you read my post from long ago? So, Is hugo the heavy? You might like it. :biggrin:
I like the idea the cabin is magical, it would explain a lot very easily but that would be too easy now wouldn't it?
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Interesting idea about the tt, but this wasn't the only time Hurley did such a thing. Remember when he closed his eyes and "wished away" Charlie? Charlie said "Don't do this Hurley" but when Hurley opened his eyes, Charlie was gone!

Putting both of these incidents together, can we hypothesize that Hurley has some power over visions/unusual things/cabins/dead but heres?

That "close your eyes and it's gone" power of Hurley's always seemed important to me.

Yes, a power, which I hope is not the case, too close to Heroes for me.

MAX, as far as the rosary beads go, EKO?

I enjoyed so is hugo the heavy!!!

I agree with CharliesHeroin that the cabin is, as he put it, "Island-magical."



Lol, I'm a girl. Maybe I should put this in my sig. People always seem to think that I'm a guy, do I give off this vibe????

Anyway, in regards to FringeBenefits comment, "I like the idea the cabin is magical, it would explain a lot very easily but that would be too easy now wouldn't it?", well, I guess you could say that it was 'too easy' but I like the magic and the miracles in Lost. I don't want everything explained by science. Some things, but not everything. I like to believe that magic is real. Miracles happen.

Oh and Hurley's power to 'will' things away, or 'will' the van to start... well, you make your own luck, right? ;)

The Cabin is so weird.
The Wheel seems to a thing that is in one way outside of time, could this be true of the Cabin?
I say this about the Wheel because it appears it's 'status' remains the same regardless of the time it's in... during the skipping it was always off it's axis. When this was corrected it occurred at a time before Ben knocked it off it's axis, then the skipping stopped.
Was the Cabin skipping too?
The catamaran that Locke, Juliet, Sawyer, etc.were in skipped with them because they were in physical contact with it. Could the Cabin be skipping because of those who were inside it?

The Cabin is so weird.
The Wheel seems to a thing that is in one way outside of time, could this be true of the Cabin?
I say this about the Wheel because it appears it's 'status' remains the same regardless of the time it's in... during the skipping it was always off it's axis. When this was corrected it occurred at a time before Ben knocked it off it's axis, then the skipping stopped.
Was the Cabin skipping too?
The catamaran that Locke, Juliet, Sawyer, etc.were in skipped with them because they were in physical contact with it. Could the Cabin be skipping because of those who were inside it?

I certainly thought the TT was controlled so it could very well be the cabin went TT also.

good points... how did Ilana and Bram know where the cabin was since it moves?...and why don't the Others skip/flash along with everyone else? The same way that just a few are flashed from 316.

I also noticed that no one seems to notice the sound and the white light before the TT happens, but Desmond does as Dan is telling him to find Dan's mother. If Richard remembers Locke from 1954 and the rest from 1977, why doesn't Desmond remember Daniel?

good points... how did Ilana and Bram know where the cabin was since it moves?...and why don't the Others skip/flash along with everyone else? The same way that just a few are flashed from 316.

I also noticed that no one seems to notice the sound and the white light before the TT happens, but Desmond does as Dan is telling him to find Dan's mother. If Richard remembers Locke from 1954 and the rest from 1977, why doesn't Desmond remember Daniel?

Maybe some kind of 'collective' event would explain it, but I can't quite verbalize what I mean by that.
If Horace built the cabin in the '70's then the characters TT would explain why the cabin is not there sometimes, which I think boosts my idea that the TT is controlled. Is Daniel causing/controlling the TT?

I just read an interview where Darlton mentioned that Hurley...
...was supposed to see himself inside the Cabin, but ABC objected to that as too(2)strange. That could definitely support the time travel speculation...

I just read an interview where Darlton mentioned that Hurley...
...was supposed to see himself inside the Cabin, but ABC objected to that as too(2)strange. That could definitely support the time travel speculation...

This question was posed to Darlton awhile back in an old interview.

Hurley also saw an eyeball looking back at him. Should we be wondering about the identity of the owner of this eyeball?

LINDELOF: You should be wondering, certainly.BM- With that tidbit of info, Carlton's response, (in spoiler tags just in case), to this question makes more sense. I couldn't figure out why Carton said this since it didn't look like Hurley's eye.

CUSE: One of the definitions of omniscience is to be in more than one place at a time.

I know now why the cabin was burned down. It's the same reason Yemi's church was burned down and Rousseau's shelter and Flame station were blown up: to prevent the opposing faction from re-enacting scenes using the same scenery.

Robert

Hi seaquelost!
Please understand that this is certainly not directed at you but-


CUSE: One of the definitions of omniscience is to be in more than one place at a time.

Well....

LOL. No. He is thinking of the word 'omnipresence.'

Omniscience is knowing all things.

If you quoted him correctly then this is vintage Cuse.

the Whispers...Hurley at Jacob's cabin

“ "You have to believe it's me, Nikki (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nikki)"
"Shush"
"Did anyone say something?"
"I said nothing"
"You better not say a f**king thing or talk about Desmond (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Desmond)"
"It's Me"

” “ "I'm not going to listen to them"
"It's January 7th (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/There%27s_No_Place_Like_Home,_Parts_2_%26_3)"
"I see somebody"
"Do you recognize him?"

This is also the moment that Hurley trips running away from the cabin and breaks the circle of ashes around the cabin. The circle Illana seemed concerned about upon her visit.

Interesting addition to that scene.

Hi seaquelost!
Please understand that this is certainly not directed at you but-


Well....

LOL. No. He is thinking of the word 'omnipresence.'

Omniscience is knowing all things.

If you quoted him correctly then this is vintage Cuse.


lol.....yes, it's a direct quote from this old interview with Doc Jensen. There's even a little bantering between Darlton regarding the pronunciation of the word. This is an interview during S4....not really spoilery, IMO, since we're now going into S6.

http://miltonsearch.com/blog/2008/03/03/lost-mind-blowing-scoop-from-its-producers/

Cuse also answered another question regarding the happenings with Hurley and the cabin. He said,

"this is stuff that is a big part of the show going forward....."
Not exactly sure if this info is still good, though, we know the writers make their own course corrections as the show progresses and now that they've burned the cabin........who knows?

Hi seaquelost!
Please understand that this is certainly not directed at you but-


Well....

LOL. No. He is thinking of the word 'omnipresence.'

Omniscience is knowing all things.

If you quoted him correctly then this is vintage Cuse.


Well, I think having one would be a possible reason for having the other, doncha know.

Well, I think having one would be a possible reason for having the other, doncha know.
I do know that he used the word incorrectly.
Cuse also answered another question regarding the happenings with Hurley and the cabin. He said,

"this is stuff that is a big part of the show going forward....."

LMAO. He really should have his own show. They could call it 'Intervuse With Cuse'.(or maybe 'Intraviews' works even better). They could just have him answer questions for about a half hour. About anything. It would be great.

the Whispers...Hurley at Jacob's cabin

“ "You have to believe it's me, Nikki (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nikki)"
"Shush"
"Did anyone say something?"
"I said nothing"
"You better not say a f**king thing or talk about Desmond (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Desmond)"
"It's Me"

” “ "I'm not going to listen to them"
"It's January 7th (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/There%27s_No_Place_Like_Home,_Parts_2_%26_3)"
"I see somebody"
"Do you recognize him?"

Thanks, simone.
The Whispers overlap each other, so I wonder what the proper order might be, and who to attribute the lines to. Here's a (partial) guess:

(Hugo begins hearing the whispers...)
Hugo (thinking, or very quietly to himself): "I'm not going to listen to them"

(Meanwhile, in the cabin...)
Hugo: "I see somebody"
'Christian': "Do you recognize him?"
Hugo: "It's Me"

The other lines seem to be of a discussion 'out of time'.
I am thinking that the Whispers indicate the presence of what one might call a 'time distortion field'.
Maybe the cabin exists within in one or can create one. Maybe the latter could explain how it moves around.
I wonder if it also indicates the presence of Smokie, as in Smokie being the source, (or conduit?) through which the Whispers issue or emanate.
We have seen (during Ben's 'judgment') that Smokie is able to present an audible representation of an event/memory.
(I am NOT trying to say that the Cabin is Smokie)

But I digress...

I do know that he used the word incorrectly.

LMAO. He really should have his own show. They could call it 'Intervuse With Cuse'.(or maybe 'Intraviews' works even better). They could just have him answer questions for about a half hour. About anything. It would be great.



Thanks, simone.
The Whispers overlap each other, so I wonder what the proper order might be, and who to attribute the lines to. Here's a (partial) guess:

(Hugo begins hearing the whispers...)
Hugo (thinking, or very quietly to himself): "I'm not going to listen to them"

(Meanwhile, in the cabin...)
Hugo: "I see somebody"
'Christian': "Do you recognize him?"
Hugo: "It's Me"



Dun dun dun... Very interesting... not sure what to make of it. The Whispers buzz me out too much.

And Carlton should totally have his own show answering questions!!!! Lol, I'd watch! I could listen to him and Damon talk all day.

MAX, as far as the rosary beads go, EKO?
fringe, yes, possibly. he was still alive when they found the van. but i don't know if he ever saw the van. the rosary could have easily come from him, but now my question is, who put them there? maybe charlie? he was in the van with hurley.
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[quote=simone5p;2205707]good points... how did Ilana and Bram know where the cabin was since it moves?...and why don't the Others skip/flash along with everyone else? The same way that just a few are flashed from 316.
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this is why i think that the cabin is in one place. ilana and bram knew exactly where it was, and if the cabin wanted them to see it, then it is present. but if it does not want to be seen, then it is hidden in a different time. now, i'm getting confused.
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i think that when hurley was trekking along after sawyer that he walked into a different time AND a different place; hence when locke thought he knew exactly where the cabin was and then hurley said, no dude, it's over there. so when the cabin finally disappear from hurley's eyes, he was lying in a different time and the place he just left "where the cabin was" not where he originally left sawyer and the group. when locke took him back to sawyer, sawyer said he'd been looking yelling whatever for him. why couldn't hurley hear him? because he had been taken to another place, where the cabin truly was.

tptb said that they wanted the scene to be that Hurley was looking at himself, but the network said it was too "out there"

Damn the network - that would have been epic!

Hurley is one of the greatest characters on the show. I don't believe he is crazy because Jacob said he wasn't in the finale. I do believe that Hurley can manipulate his realty.

Hurley thought the numbers were cursed so bad things happened to him and his family.

Hurley believes in finding answers about the numbers in his first S1 flashback and narrowly escapes death several times.

Hurley "makes his own luck" to get the VW van working.

Hurley has made the cabin disappear this is why Locke and Ben could not find it and needed Hurley in S4.

Hurley and to some degree the other LOSTIES have this ability I believe

Hurley made Charlie disappear in S4.

Great thread!!!

It does seem as though Hurley has the ability to "will" certain things to make them tangibly so. It is definitely reminiscent of Walt's "special" abilities:

1. "Visualizing the bird on the page in his textbook and "creating" it to come towards him (hence it having flown into the glass door). This was, I believe, not maliciously done, but the anxiety of a young boy at witnessing his mother's sudden illness, and the (less than demonstrative) stepfather who is comforting her.

2. The Others' inability to control him, when he was brought to "Room 23".

3. His immediate ability to translate Locke's advice in visualizing the trajectory of the knife before throwing it at its intended target.

My question, then, regards the backgammon game between Walt and Hurley, in which Walt continues to "make his own luck" in creating the exact number that he needed on each roll of the dice. Does this mean that Walt's own "powers" may be even greater than Hurley's?

Does this indeed portend a return of Walt in the final season?

It does certainly seem as though Hurley, Walt, and Locke are linked to the island in certain ways that bestow these gifts. It's of interest to note that Hurley's remained intact even while he was away from the island.:)

My question, then, regards the backgammon game between Walt and Hurley, in which Walt continues to "make his own luck" in creating the exact number that he needed on each roll of the dice. Does this mean that Walt's own "powers" may be even greater than Hurley's?
Only if Walt has the power to substitute loaded dice and Hurley doesn't. Have you watched the DVD in slow motion?