So, I think, as everyone knows, Captain Jack is going to play a part in Ten's two final specials.

What do you think, what he'll be like after CoE? Will he tell the Dr what happened? Will the Dr be able to fix him (fix what happened?)

I'm just mad at him that I don't even want to see him anymore. Not in Torchwood or in Doctor Who. :( I just can't see how Jack could go back to his old self OR how I could enjoy watching the "new" Jack...

Thoughts?

So, I think, as everyone knows, Captain Jack is going to play a part in Ten's two final specials.

What do you think, what he'll be like after CoE? Will he tell the Dr what happened? Will the Dr be able to fix him (fix what happened?)

I'm just mad at him that I don't even want to see him anymore. Not in Torchwood or in Doctor Who. :( I just can't see how Jack could go back to his old self OR how I could enjoy watching the "new" Jack...

Thoughts?

Two specials? I had read only one.

As for Jack, I don't hate him at all. I just hate what they did to him.

That said, I think he will be broken and the doctor will give him the much needed perspective to deal with his losses as well as his actions. At least that is what I would to see.

Okay, so... after 1 1/2 months, I'm starting to mellow down a little, going through several steps of acceptance. I remembered one of the greatest Jack/ Doctor moments of all times (their conversation in Utopia, Jack in the radiation room and the Doctor outside) and that made me excited about a similar scene (equally awesome scene) in the upcoming specials where the Doctor and Jack realize how much they have in common, how they suffer from the same fate (being immortal, being/ feeling responsible for a lot of pain and death) but now someone quoted RTD with saying that the events of CoE will NOT be mentioned in Doctor Who.

:blink:

How is that even possible?

Jack will be dark, moody and brooding and the Doctor will be too busy to even notice or ask?

or:

Jack will show up at the Tardis being his happy-go-lucky, flirtatious self as if he hadn't just seen his lover die and killed his own grandson?

WTF???

Please tell me, they just misquoted RTD... pretty please? With nekkid Ianto on top?

Okay, so... after 1 1/2 months, I'm starting to mellow down a little, going through several steps of acceptance. I remembered one of the greatest Jack/ Doctor moments of all times (their conversation in Utopia, Jack in the radiation room and the Doctor outside) and that made me excited about a similar scene (equally awesome scene) in the upcoming specials where the Doctor and Jack realize how much they have in common, how they suffer from the same fate (being immortal, being/ feeling responsible for a lot of pain and death) but now someone quoted RTD with saying that the events of CoE will NOT be mentioned in Doctor Who.

:blink:

How is that even possible?

Jack will be dark, moody and brooding and the Doctor will be too busy to even notice or ask?

or:

Jack will show up at the Tardis being his happy-go-lucky, flirtatious self as if he hadn't just seen his lover die and killed his own grandson?

WTF???

Please tell me, they just misquoted RTD... pretty please? With nekkid Ianto on top?

i am very much hoping that RTD lied. i don't think we need to see a happy Jack as if nothing happened. they don't have to exactly explain why he is not happy but it should at least be acknowledged by the Doctor.

OTOH if they do gloss it over, i think it will be a huge disservice to both the characters of the Doctor and Capt Jack. the fans need closure, i think. and Capt Jack was definintely different in TW after he had that Utopian meeting with the Doctor.

*tosses nekkid Ianto just cuz*

*catches nekkid Ianto*

(you did toss him into my direction, right???)

Yeah I can only hope that RTD either lied or was misquoted but it just does not make any sense. What was his waffling about how Jack had to go through this trauma of losing Ianto and sacrificing Steven to .... I don't even remember why he said it was important for Jack but something about character development, I guess. So where would be the character development if they never addressed it???

A season 4 has not been confirmed for Torchwood and even if they decided to "skip" Jack's character development for the specials, they don't even know if they can continue it on Torchwood? That just does not make any sense to me, I'm sorry.

I really don't understand WHY they would ignore the events from COE? The argument for no crossovers between DW and TW so far has been that TW is not family friendly and they don't want kids to "have" to tune into TW because the Doctor makes a guest appearance there. But this is the other way round. This has been done before. And they've always been references to TW on DW. In the Sound of Drums Jack tried to contact his team and the Master told him he had send them on a "wild goose chase in the Himalaya" and in the S4 finale we saw the hub and Gwen and Ianto... so it really isn't like they've never been any references before.

I just want them to deal with the fact that Jack and the Doctor are very much at the same place (emotionally) right now. They both face an (almost) eternal life with the knowledge of the death and pain they have caused (no matter how noble their intentions were and how necessary their actions were) and the loss of their loved ones. I want them (Jack and the Doctor) to realize that and find some kind of comfort in the fact that they're not alone, that they're able to fix each other, find new meaning and new perspective...

I'm ranting, right?

*sigh*

Okay, I'll stop.

I'm just gonna be really pissed if they really don't address this at all.

*grabs nekkid Ianto and drags him off* ;)

now someone quoted RTD with saying that the events of CoE will NOT be mentioned in Doctor Who.

:blink:

How is that even possible?

Mhmm... right now the answer to this question seems to be... or could be... RTD didn't lie and the events of CoE will not me mentioned in EoT because... Captain Jack will not even be part of it?

:blink:

I'm honestly confused (nothing new I know, I know).

Although they did mention the "fall down" of Torchwood. Which could mean the fall down of Torchwood London... but we know that Torchwood went on after that. The real fall down of Torchwood happened in CoE... right? So there was a tiny bit of mention there... blink and you miss it but it was there. And as the Doctor once told us: Don't blink!