I read in a few places that the first half of season 3 is rather weak and considered the low point of the entire series. Is that true ? Only I think it's absolutely brilliant, I'm really enjoying it :smile:

Don't let anyone tell you differently, make up your own mind. :biggrin:

My personal opinion is season three is excellent.

I am indeed ;) After what I'd read I had prepared myself for a struggle getting through it, but boy it's been great fun so far, I think it's the best todate :)

I read in a few places that the first half of season 3 is rather weak and considered the low point of the entire series. Is that true ? Only I think it's absolutely brilliant, I'm really enjoying it :smile:

I wouldn't call it the "low point" of the entire series, but it did drag a little. Season 3 didn't do too well ratings-wise either, but that could be because of many things. Also, depending on what one prefers storywise, there were a few questionable "sub-stories" that were boring and pointless, imo. The main thing I didn't like was that the Losties were all separated from each other. IMO, Lost is best when all of our original Losties are working and living together. :biggrin: But the poster above is right, decide for yourself. Everyone likes something different from this show, which is what makes it so great. There are so many things going on so there is something for everyone. I hope you enjoy it and make up your on mind based on what you see going on in the story, not based on what people say about what they think is going on. Have fun and enjoy! :)

Everyone's opinion is different. I thought season 3's start (the infamous "mini-arc") was unsatisfying (although definitely not as bad as some people find it), but that after the Juliet ep (forget the name) the season just kept getting better and better and better... culminating in a couple of the best episodes of the entire series (The Brig, The Man Behind the curtain, and the finale, TTLG, and others)

So if you're enjoying it now, it only gets better!

With those first 6 eps, I think a lot of fans were unhappy with the constant focus on only a few characters, while the beach people were a bit of an afterthought. And the couple episodes of the beachies we did get were pretty bad (Further Instructions is one of the worse episodes of the show, IMO).

So, I'm not sure what I'd call the weakest point of the show, but it would be either that or season 5. And that's not a huge scathing criticism or anything, as overall this show is so excellent, but those are the periods I've enjoyed the least.

I really enjoyed S3. One of the earliest epis showed us a more complex, flawed side to Sun: she's an adept liar. I loved that. Then, we had Charlie and Des; another hit. Sawyer evolving, trying to 'lead', taking Sun's slap (smack! Loved that!). Juliet and her development, her backstory.... and I'm sure many other elements I've missed. Oh, yeah! FFs, and TTLG. Top notch.

For me, S5's been the weakest. And I still love that over any other season of any other show, so go figure! :)

You're right evanesco, Season 5 is the worst one so far, imo, but it is still better than any show on right now. :) And there were some highlights to Season 3 for sure. It just depends on what part of the show interests you the most. TTLG - one of the best!!

I, for one, never really minded the mini-arc in S3. Season 3 on the whole is one of my favorites.

if you're finding season 3 and season 5 to be weak, i would assume it's because new characters are introduced. i think season 2's tailie episodes bored the heck out of me. dragged on and on until Collison. i didn't like season 3 at first because of the mini arc, but rewatching it, i've enjoyed it a lot more. i haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaated juliet, so everytime she was onscreen i about died. but like i said, now i like it.

season 5 was a big fat bore!

The first six episodes of Season 3 were mediocre and don't get me started on that awful and uncalled for episode 6 cliffhanger. Gone for 2 months is unacceptable.

I thought season 2 was weaker than season 3, I had no problem with 3. I don't get the season 3 hate.

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Simpler answer: no.

More complex answer: like many have stated, people may say S3 was weak because of the initial 6-ep story arc. But after that and the midpoint, the plot was full-force and there weren't too many slow episodes, all the way to the finale.The second half of season 3 may be my favorite finishing episodes (its a close tie between that and S4).

Season 3 was amazing!

Plenty of epic moments, and now that I rewatched it (knowing what we know now) its much better. Trust me you will enjoy each and every season

You kidding, season 3 was amazing, infact I think better than season 5. Season 5 was the weakest, I used to not like the mini-arc, but I find it more enjoyable than the DI-arc in season 5.

I've rewatched season 3 in full after its airings, and I've found it rather enjoyable, infact I found the pacing alright, its not as bad as people make it out to be. Personally season 3 had a better structure, than season 5, I felt season 5 was all over the place, and we didn't get enough character developement, and I found the DI-arc boring, I liked some parts of it, but thats my least fav arc of the series.

The DI-arc in my opinion was the worst multiple-episode arc of the series, by far.

^^^Well, the Season 3 mini arc was no picnic either.

I could not stand Pickett at all.

The DI-arc in my opinion was the worst multiple-episode arc of the series, by far.

I completely agree, it was the worst arc in the series. Thats what for me ruined the season, I didn't feel the need to have a whole arc devoted to the DI, I'd rather settle for flashbacks, it just wasted time, sure we learnt alot about them, but really just to see Horace, Amy etc. and who was there during 1977 doing what they do, it just wasn't that exciting.

^^^Well, the Season 3 mini arc was no picnic either.

I could not stand Pickett at all.

Yeah it had its rough moments, and yeah didn't like Pickett.

During the airing on tv, it may of sucked, but watching it on dvd, its far better.

I also agree with Mesa. After the initial 6-ep story arc, Season 3 did move ahead at a good pace and there were some really great, epic moments.:yes: It seems like that was so long ago, that I forgot a lot of it. I re-watched a few of the later episodes of Season 3 last night and was really surprised at how good it was. I mean, things that I found boring and pointless the first time around. It helps that I know a lot more now, as that helped to put some things into perspective. So, while it wasn't the best Season of Lost, I wouldn't say it was the worst. Nope, so far that honor goes to Season 5.:yawn:

I'm still trying to figure out the point of a lot of Season 5. Everything they wasted time on, we could have learned in one episode. However, there were some great developments that I enjoyed a lot.

LOST is still the best show on television and has been for the last 5 seasons, so even their worst episode is better than another show's best episode.

It helps that I know a lot more now, as that helped to put some things into perspective. So, while it wasn't the best Season of Lost, I wouldn't say it was the worst.
i agree totally doc! i think that once i rewatched, i enjoyed it thoroughly!

I read in a few places that the first half of season 3 is rather weak and considered the low point of the entire series. Is that true ? Only I think it's absolutely brilliant, I'm really enjoying it :smile:


Season 3 mini arc was great. Season 3 in its entirety was great. I think after the season 2 finale, people were "shocked" by the turn of the mini arc in season 3 *edited* Certain scenes from it are still talked about today and watched and rewatched both by fans and non fans of the show on Youtube and similar sites. I am not sure how many episodes of Lost we can say the same about.

The fact of the matter is that season 3 was actually a better season than 2. Lost has lost viewers as the seasons have gone on. That's just the way it is. Has nothing to do with season 3.

The worst season IMO is season 5. DI and filler episodes like "He's our you" and "Some like it hoth". I mean, really?!

I think that, in a way, we should wait to evaluate any seasons until the end...how do we know for sure something is "filler"? Regarding season five, I really liked some of those DI episodes, although they are still holding back from us.

I adored all of season three--though the mini-arc was brilliant despite the fact it really focused on only a few of our characters, and the rest of the season was really good, too. Anyway, I won't go into too much detail because I don't want to spoil Jack for the experience of the rest of the season and the following seasons. :)

obviously it just comes down to preference. but i do encourage anyone that can to rewatch all of the seasons. from one through four, it's all a new experience each time you rewatch.

In regards to the OP, I know I didn't enjoy season three as much at the beginning on the first watch thru. It really picked up in the end for me, after the mess of Par Avion.

I think the overall story, the progression of the losties towards some ultimate on-island agenda, was hampered by Darlton not knowing an end date at the out set of season three's filming. I would have liked the triangle arc more if it came across as a companion to the advance of the larger arc that the losties are all in, instead of the primary focus.

Negotiating an end date mid way through the season really allowed them to close out strong. We got gems such as Greatest Hits, The Man Behind the Curtain and the finale itself to name a few.

I liked a lot of scenes and dialogue in three, and there were a number of episodes that I've gained appreciation for after the fact, and others in looking at season three as a whole, that've made me realize that the initial dislike of it as a whole was wrong.

It's not my favorite season. Season one stands alone and I seperate it from comparison because though there are clues now we can look back on and say oh yes, this is where they were taking that, it was so wide open, and groundbreaking with the large ensemble cast being detailed with background, that it's different than any of the following seasons, imo.

We didn't know where it was going in season one. Season two gave us a dirt road with overgrown grass that might lead somewhere, and the other seasons furthered that path, but one was wide open enough that the direction could really have been anything. All the things in the jungle that we've come to know the shape of could have been anything at all. Season one is great, but unable to compare with following seasons, imo.

I really enjoyed season two, and have watched more episodes from that season repeatedly than any other I would say. The hatch and the Henry Gale arc still holds some of my favorite moments in the show. It's easier to see some of the warts afterwards, just as it was easier for me to see some of the scruffy charm of three afterwards, but all in all that season holds up for me. I was a big fan of Mr Eko too and was sorry to see him exit the show early. Darlton had said they had to truncate his story when Adewele became disenchanted with continuing the character and staying in Hawaii.

For me, season 4 is the least watched. Large part to do with the strike causing a disjointed feel to the story arcs. I loved the constant and I loved The Shape of Things to Come, but there's too many episodes that don't hold to the expectation I came to expect from Lost to that point. Even without the strike, they had a number of those episodes already written. One wonders if an episode like the other woman (for instance) would have had a later pay off.

I wouldn't say I dislike any part of Lost as a whole, just pieces here and there. The flow from season one to season two is another reason I like season two. It was the smoothest, most seamless in my opinion, end and opening for all the seasons to date.

Any way, there's weak moments for everyone in the over all story of lost. Just depends on personal preference. Three isn't my least re-watched season. I wouldn't even call it the season with the weakest moments. For me, that's 4, which could be partially blamed on the strike.

You know, I've loved Lost all the way through. I couldn't pick a 'worst' season, although there are a few episodes scattered about that I don't much care for (Jack's bloody tattoos!!!!).

Funny, someone earlier said that they didn't like Further Instructions, and it's actually one of my favourites - the scenes where Locke can't talk and Charlie's being all smart arse to him crack me up every time! The two of them have amazing chemistry onscreen together. Loved it!

It's all personal preference - a lot of people didn't like Season Five but I loved the whole time travel thing. Like I said earlier, certain episodes aren't that great, but as a whole I can't complain.

I think that, in a way, we should wait to evaluate any seasons until the end...how do we know for sure something is "filler"? Regarding season five, I really liked some of those DI episodes, although they are still holding back from us.

I adored all of season three--though the mini-arc was brilliant despite the fact it really focused on only a few of our characters, and the rest of the season was really good, too. Anyway, I won't go into too much detail because I don't want to spoil Jack for the experience of the rest of the season and the following seasons. :)

Yeah, the word "filler" gets thrown around like its candy sometimes. In the end, I think less rather than more will be considered filler by the end. Personally, I thought there was hardly any "filler" in each of the past two seasons. Time will tell.

Yeah, the word "filler" gets thrown around like its candy sometimes. In the end, I think less rather than more will be considered filler by the end. Personally, I thought there was hardly any "filler" in each of the past two seasons. Time will tell.

If only candy was thrown around as much as the word "filler"! :D

If only candy was thrown around as much as the word "filler"! :D


Haha, true enough. This aint Halloween.

"I'm crazy staple-face guy...GIMME some CANDY!" (old SNL anyone?) ;)

If only candy was thrown around as much as the word "filler"! :D

I hear that. hmmm....candy.

Haha, true enough. This aint Halloween.

"I'm crazy staple-face guy...GIMME some CANDY!" (old SNL anyone?) ;)

:clapping::23wtp28_jpg: "Look at me I'm crazy mister news paper face ...now gimme some candy!!"


Old SNL is the best SNL in my opinion. I feel old knowing that those skits are now old.

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I agree CharliesHeroin, over all the story has been excellent and that's the best way to look at it, as a continuous story. As a whole, I can't really complain either. There's a general consensus on some of the low points and some of the high points, but over all I don't think any two fans are gonna see down the line exactly.

I actually think the weakest part of the series is the middle of season 2. I personally didn't like Ana Lucia, and I thought Libby was a little weak, and there's bits of season 2 that drag (Dave is especially boring on re-watch value).

Season 3 is perhaps my favorite. Some of the best STORYTELLING and some of the BEST character moments are in 3. Claire being Jack's sister and crying to her mom? Brilliant!

However...there is an issue with Lost overall, and that is that "flashback #4, 5, 6....." start to get a little weak. Once you've told so many compelling stories with a certain character, their flashbacks start to get a little stale. This was the general reason why season 3 was regarded as weak. I think almost every single one of the on-island stories remain interesting and strong.

However, I think we have those weak episodes in multiple places, and season 3 just caught the flak. Probably because season 3 has the worst one (Stranger)

Here's the episodes I think have flashbacks which have become stale:
The Greater Good - Season 1 - I was ALREADY tired of Sayid backstory episodes
One of Them - Season 2 - Yet another Sayid middle east episode
The whole truth - season 2 - sun/jin episodes starting to get weak
dave - season 2 - tough to watch a second time
glass ballerine - season 3 - seriously, more jin/sun?
further instructions - season 3 - weakest locke story ever
every man for himself - season 3 - sawyer conning starting to get old (but important for future)
i do - season 3 - kate running starting to get old (but good connection to current events)
stranger in a strange land - season 3 - worst flashback ever
enter 77 - season 3 - yet ANOTHER lame sayid flashback
left behind - season 3 - this story really wasn't interesting (but necessary for future plot)
the other woman - season 4 - OK but not super interesting
ji yeon - season 4 - the Jin part of this story remains absolutely irrelevant and pointless

so although season 3 definitely has the most "stale" flashbacks, i think the on-island stories and the storytelling of season 3 is much better overall than season 2. unfortunately, they had just gotten to the point in season 3 that when we did another kate or sayid or sawyer or locke or jack episode, we'd already had SO MANY good and interesting stories, that these flashbacks fell a little flat. in contrast, as pointed out above, even most of the lame flashbacks in season 3 still had much relevance to the overall plot and story as episodes play out, whereas the lame ones in season 2 and 4 do not.

Nice stale flashback list. I would put Ji Yeon as my worst episode to date. Even ahead of Stranger in Strange Land. I didn't like it's flashback or it's island story. No dialogue that popped. SIASL had a few lines and scenes on island that were entertaining for me.

I think the biggest gripe I have about season three, and I had forgotten this until I stumbled across it today, was that season three was delivered in like three or four different parts. There were all these gaps between consecutive, new, episodes. That said, on re-watch, I do like it.

Libby and Ana Lucia were weak, I still think season two carried well. Sayid flashbacks were old in a hurry. S4, again because of the strike, re-watches as the most disjointed, for me.

Yes. Regarding FBs, I've had just about enough. I think Senator Kent makes a very valid point. The characters were given these key, defining traits, and each FB seemed to hammer the same trait over and over, via a new situation. With Locke, we kept seeing again and again how desperately he needed love, and a sense of belonging, and how he was dissed every time. Ditto with Jack, Sayid, Jin/Sun etc. Apart from a few details we'd get in every new FB (Jack was married, then he got divorced; Locke did experience genuine love once, but it failed; Sayid tried to shun his affinity for torture, but he never could leave it behind etc etc) the essence of each FB remained the same.

Looking back now, however, I do find I appreciate the FBs, because they gave us an intimate look at our originals, especially. At the end when LOST is over, I think the overall experience will have been richer precisely because we got so much backstory on the important characters.

Overall, I found S5 to be the most dull, it dragged in the middle, and there was way too much time spent on the DI and characters I didn't care about at all, like Horace, Phil, Amy etc. In fact, about the only thing I'd dread in S6 would be an Ilyana or Bram FB! Lol! I don't care about them and I don't think I'll be able to either, not when I have so many other people I care about to focus on.

I'm fine with having these two play out their requisite roles in the present on-island, however, and grateful that FBs are now apparently a thing of the past.

I agree about the flashbacks getting stale. As for season 3, I would say it is my favorite season right now. We get to really meet Ben and we are introduced to Juliet(my fav female character). I also loved all the desmond flashbacks and I think TTLG was a great season finale.

to me, season 4 is the weakest. I just finished re-watching and I wasn't impressed the second time around(well other than the Constant and The Shape of Things to Come)

] Looking back now, however, I do find I appreciate the FBs, because they gave us an intimate look at our originals, especially. At the end when LOST is over, I think the overall experience will have been richer precisely because we got so much backstory on the important characters. .

This is very important, and I agree completely. Part of the reason everyone is so invested in the characters, especially during Season 1, was because we got to see key moments in their pasts. Five seasons later with back-stories, its almost like we know every key happening in their lives. Even now, its hard to imagine how less invested I would be in the characters if we didn't have any flashbacks.

I agree about the flashbacks getting stale. As for season 3, I would say it is my favorite season right now. We get to really meet Ben and we are introduced to Juliet(my fav female character). I also loved all the desmond flashbacks and I think TTLG was a great season finale.

to me, season 4 is the weakest. I just finished re-watching and I wasn't impressed the second time around(well other than the Constant and The Shape of Things to Come)

Those were my standouts too, :cool: I liked the first hour of the finale a lot too. Giacchino was on point with the music score in it, imo.

And welcome to the Fuselage DharmaLove, now we dance....

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Overall, I found S5 to be the most dull, it dragged in the middle, and there was way too much time spent on the DI and characters I didn't care about at all, like Horace, Phil, Amy etc. In fact, about the only thing I'd dread in S6 would be an Ilyana or Bram FB! Lol! I don't care about them and I don't think I'll be able to either, not when I have so many other people I care about to focus on.

I'm fine with having these two play out their requisite roles in the present on-island, however, and grateful that FBs are now apparently a thing of the past.


I have to say when Phil finally got it in the end, I literally clapped my hands and jumped for joy.:biggrin: I was so over him! And Radzinsky? - well, we know what happens to him. I got tired of the groovy '70's and the DI real quick. And to be honest, I couldn't pick Ilyana or Bram out of a freakin' line up, that's how much of an impression they left on me.

As much as I LOVE Jack, I agree that SIASL was one of the worst eppys. so far. However, it's funny to watch now after all the comments Damon and Carlton have made about it. (It's not their favorite either.);)

Season 6 can't come soon enough.

Those were my standouts too, :cool: I liked the first hour of the finale a lot too. Giacchino was on point with the music score in it, imo.

And welcome to the Fuselage DharmaLove, now we dance....

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Thanks!:biggrin:

Oh, I agree, Giacchino is wonderful.

1DocLover~ I know what you mean about Ilyana and Bram! I just can't seem to care about these two.
The DI arc was ok. IMO, it could have been better. After waiting since season 2 to find out more about them, I was a little let down.

The sad thing was that writers thought they HAD to keep giving us FBs from the core characters. The thing is...they didn't!

Consider: Rose/Bernard. They aren't the best characters on the show, but their one and only FB was a GREAT story. Truly wonderful.

Hurley's Dave episode was weak, but Tricia Tanaka was actually a very moving episode.

Juliet's flashbacks have all been interesting.

Every single Ben FB has been amazing.

Michael's 2 FBs were both touching and emotional.

Claire disappeared but then she got a FB in season 3 that was PHENOMENAL

Miles' first (and probably only) FB in season 5 was, again, AMAZING

I wouldve much preferred some FB time designated to Faraday, Frank, Miles, Charlotte, Claire...

And when the writers DID do venture out with those FB, they were all great.

Having now caught up as far as possible to the end of season 4, and having watched all four seasons in a matter of 3-4 weeks, I have to say that looking back season 2 is my least favourite with 3 and 4 being the most enjoyable. Season 3 stands out as being far from weak but being very exciting, Season 2 failed to hold my attention with Libby, Ana Lucia and the tail end survivors boring me rigid !

The sad thing was that writers thought they HAD to keep giving us FBs from the core characters. The thing is...they didn't!

Consider: Rose/Bernard. They aren't the best characters on the show, but their one and only FB was a GREAT story. Truly wonderful.

Hurley's Dave episode was weak, but Tricia Tanaka was actually a very moving episode.

Juliet's flashbacks have all been interesting.

Every single Ben FB has been amazing.

Michael's 2 FBs were both touching and emotional.

Claire disappeared but then she got a FB in season 3 that was PHENOMENAL

Miles' first (and probably only) FB in season 5 was, again, AMAZING

I wouldve much preferred some FB time designated to Faraday, Frank, Miles, Charlotte, Claire...

And when the writers DID do venture out with those FB, they were all great.

Yeah I didn't mind R/B's episode at all, it was a nice story, and nice that the writers took us away from the regulars, and focused on the recurring characters.

Tricia Tanka was fantastic, I love that episode, a great normal and easy paced episode, after the first 9 episodes.

Juliet's flashbacks were good, but I didn't like her last one.

Claire's FB have been my favs, shes the only core character to have the least, those writers owe us a Claire FB/centric, almost three years without one is a long time.

As for the final season, I think the only core original season 1 regular who really deserves one is Claire, given shes been MIA without one for two whole seasons.

:eek2: I couldn't bear it, I loathe Claire ! What with her constant whinging and her "Wheerse moy Babie" and "Charlieee" every other sentence - they should have got shot of her in season 1 :mad:

:eek2: I couldn't bear it, I loathe Claire ! What with her constant whinging and her "Wheerse moy Babie" and "Charlieee" every other sentence - they should have got shot of her in season 1 :mad:

I think Claire just got short changed in the story. Like with Michael being known for "Waaaaaaaaaaalt!" and "He's my son!" every other line. She wasn't given the best dialogue or put to the best use.

I'm excited to see her come back. As long as it's done well, her flashbacks were okay, there were worse, but I'm hoping we get more on her next year that helps tie in her importance. Why else bring her back if she's not important right? :cool:

:eek2: I couldn't bear it, I loathe Claire ! What with her constant whinging and her "Wheerse moy Babie" and "Charlieee" every other sentence - they should have got shot of her in season 1 :mad:

This response really isn't relevant anymore. This was really a season 2 issue.

If you look at Claire in seasons 3 and 4, it's pretty different. After figuring out what's going, she really stands by Charlie and is very upset by his death. However--im still mad that they focused the revelation of Charlie's death almost entirely on Hurley. They definitely short-changed Claire on some emotion there.

In season 4 she was great, but again short-changed.

In terms of her lack of episodes, it totally stinks, because Emilie is an amazing actress. Jack, watch the scene in "Par Avion" where she confesses to her mom. It's one of the best acted scenes on all of Lost.

I love all the characters on Lost - even the one's that I don't like. I mean, like, Jack annoys me a lot, but I love that he annoys me because that's just who Jack is. Lol, I don't know if I'm making much sense but there you go.

Also, I think I might be the only Lost fan in existence who actually liked the Nikki and Paulo episode. (Don't crucify me! :hide: It's not one of my favourites or anything - not enough Charlie for my liking - but I thought it was buzzy and the whole buried alive thing creeped me out.)

And I definitely agree, SenatorKent, that they didn't focus on Claire anywhere near enough after Charlie's death - I'm still upset by her almost complete lack of emotion over it (apart from the initial crying, of course)

I agree. Expose wasn't half as bad as some others. Just reading the transcript, not even re-watching it, it's a pretty good whodunit. Good scenes with Sawyer and Hurley. Pretty self contained story that had some good lines in it.

I would put Ji Yeon as my least re-watched/cared for episode. Though the end was good.

I really think sesaon 3 gets a bad wrap a lot of the time because how it was presented to us. There were at least three breaks in the season where we had to wait around for new episodes. Maybe even four. I'd have to check. It opens intriguingly enough with the Others village and then we get the triangle arc and then a break.

I know I got frustrated with not getting enough of the Beach Losties or any further exploration of established mysteries to that point. Instead we got more mysteries with seeing Othersville and the introduction of Hydra island. That really put a sour taste in my mouth when it first aired.

It was much easier to like season three when I got the dvds and could watch them with out gaps of weeks and months between episodes.

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And I agree with you guys about Claire. They didn't really give her and Charlie as much happy-time as a ship as any of the other combinations and then when they had that touching moment before Charlie went off to his death, we never really got see how him not coming back made Claire feel.

Quick speech at the division of the losties at the fuselage, and then she's doing laundry with Kate in the barracks. WTF? I'm keeping my fingers crossed her return is not done as badly as Michaels. I want Claire to be a part of whatevers going on.

I thought Expose was great. It allowed us to see so many "lost' characters -- Ethan, Arzt, Shannon, and Boone!

Expose is a great standalone episode. I'm shocked that so many didn't like it. It may not have advanced the story but got rid of the Nikki and Paolo problem with style.

Interestingly, if you look back at threads in the season 3 sections of the boards, there's a lot of negativity directed at those early episodes and even later in the run. It was at that difficult time where flashbacks we're becoming stale, the writers didn't appear to have a plan and there was no real, meaningful plot advancement or so we thought. I don't think that isolated opening arc and the long wait helped matters and allowed bitterness and dislike to fester and make the show appear poorer than it was.

Viewing it on dvd and in a consecutive run, people seem to appreciate it more.

On the subject of the amount of centrics and how much attention is focused on particular characters, Kate always got far too much attention and I suspect she will until the end and the Claire storyline will have a disappointing conclusion with little screentime. Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong. ;)

And I agree with you guys about Claire. They didn't really give her and Charlie as much happy-time as a ship as any of the other combinations and then when they had that touching moment before Charlie went off to his death, we never really got see how him not coming back made Claire feel.

Quick speech at the division of the losties at the fuselage, and then she's doing laundry with Kate in the barracks. WTF? I'm keeping my fingers crossed her return is not done as badly as Michaels. I want Claire to be a part of whatevers going on.

Yeah, WTF?? I'm hoping that, with Claire's return, we'll see some more of how she was actually feeling and such. Am looking forward to it and hoping that it is done well.

Expose is a great standalone episode. I'm shocked that so many didn't like it. It may not have advanced the story but got rid of the Nikki and Paolo problem with style.

Interestingly, if you look back at threads in the season 3 sections of the boards, there's a lot of negativity directed at those early episodes and even later in the run. It was at that difficult time where flashbacks we're becoming stale, the writers didn't appear to have a plan and there was no real, meaningful plot advancement or so we thought. I don't think that isolated opening arc and the long wait helped matters and allowed bitterness and dislike to fester and make the show appear poorer than it was.

Viewing it on dvd and in a consecutive run, people seem to appreciate it more.

On the subject of the amount of centrics and how much attention is focused on particular characters, Kate always got far too much attention and I suspect she will until the end and the Claire storyline will have a disappointing conclusion with little screentime. Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong. ;)

They will.

I thought Expose was great. It allowed us to see so many "lost' characters -- Ethan, Arzt, Shannon, and Boone!
The best thing about Expose was that I went into it knowing it was filler and having low expectations for it. But I have to say I was very surprised with it. It's not one of my top episodes, but it was much better than I anticipated. A nice change of pace for the show. And Nikki pole dancing didn't hurt either. ;)

That Paulo lies - paralyzed switch was nice. And I think it had one of the best end scene/score combos ever.

I enjoyed Expose as a week off from continuing mysteries without having to give u p the show for a week.

Anybody remember "Sliders"? I liked that show, for the fluff it was, but wish they had spent a few more episodes on "more fun" worlds than they did. The quicky jump to "Elvis world" could have been a lot of fun as an episode.

Expose is like that. I got to see Lost, and got a week off from OMG's.

Also, Expose solved the mystery of the asthma inhalers...apparently Jorge Garcia forgot that according to the recent Comic Con. :D

What about the asthma inhalers in this one?

Jorge ain't the only one who's forgotten :cool:

As Paulo rummaged through some luggage, looking for the diamonds, he found the inhaler and tossed it aside. :D

Thanks Dev. Good eye

Thanks Dev. Good eye

No problem!

Actually, it makes that scene funnier if you realize that Kitsis & Horowitz wrote both that episode and also Jorge Garcia's accusatory question. Those guys are seriously hilarious. :D

That Paulo lies - paralyzed switch was nice.

I loved that! (When my other half pointed it out to me! I didn't click the first time I watched.) I thought that was real cool.

I really think sesaon 3 gets a bad wrap a lot of the time because how it was presented to us. There were at least three breaks in the season where we had to wait around for new episodes. Maybe even four. I'd have to check. It opens intriguingly enough with the Others village and then we get the triangle arc and then a break.

I know I got frustrated with not getting enough of the Beach Losties or any further exploration of established mysteries to that point. Instead we got more mysteries with seeing Othersville and the introduction of Hydra island. That really put a sour taste in my mouth when it first aired.


Season 2 was the one where they had all the random interruptions with no real pattern to them. Season 3 was presented to us in a block of 6 episodes from October to November, with a three month break, and then 17 episodes uninterrupted from February until May.


Also, I know this is sacrilege among many fans, but I got tired of the beach stories. It got boring watching Hurley, Charlie, and Claire do the same things and say the same types of dumb lines over and over again.



If you think about it, it makes sense that The Others were on the island the whole time...there was only so much the writers could do focusing on the same group of characters on the same beach doing the same things ad nauseum while waiting for rescue.


That's why I LOVED learning more about The Others, and I wish the writers had done more with them as characters rather than killing off a majority of them.


I'm probably also one of the few who actually enjoyed "Stranger in a Strange Land" (well, not the boring JackBacks, but definitely the on-island story).

Season 2 was the one where they had all the random interruptions with no real pattern to them. Season 3 was presented to us in a block of 6 episodes from October to November, with a three month break, and then 17 episodes uninterrupted from February until May.
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You're right.

S2's biggest gap was six weeks. Nov 30 to Jan 11. I guess I just liked season two and didn't mind the rerun of episodes that were peppered through out it, during gap weeks.

Season 3 had the one big gap, but the only episodes on rerun were the first six, and while I loved the opening episode with Otherville, and have since come to appreciate season three more on multiple re-watches as a whole, the repeating of those six episodes over the six week break at the time was aggravating.

I came into season three wanting more indepth on the island and it's inhabitants and we got a little of that and a lot of triangle and then they pulled the plug. Again, at the time it was frustrating, I think that may have happened to a few fans.

But three is good. The on island stuff towards the end of two started to annoy me because the writers had no one still asking questions. From the Losties perspective, they hadn't been on island long, there was still a chance they could be found. They seemed to settle into island life quickly, I didn't see enough reminiscing of home or talk of leaving in the on-island stories.

But that's a small gripe in retrospect.

I'd have to say the JackBack of SIASL was the worst half of that episode, and while the island side was better with a few pieces of good dialogue, for me it still wasn't outstanding. I didn't like the actor who played Isabel right off the bat. She didn't jibe with the Others, in my mind, the same way Tom did or Juliet and Ethan. Small gripe though, cause she didn't make a second appearance. Like Harper, thank god.

Yeah, Harper was quite awful, very OTT, I felt in her gestures and expressions. Almost farcical!

Re Expose, my favourite bit had to be the talk between Sawyer and Sun, and the slap! I loved the bit where Sawyer asked her (kind of sheepishly and worriedly even, which to me indicated that he cared what Jin thought of him) whether she would tell Jin, and she said she wouldn't. He asked, 'why not?' and she replied, 'because then we'd need to dig another grave.' Heh. We know how protective Jin is of his Sun, after all. My money would've been on him, totally, if he'd found out!

It's so true. I thought it was nice that despite how ticked off Sun was at Sawyer, she still was pragmatic about it and didn't think he deserved to die.

Sun is nothing if not pragmatic! Love that about her, especially because Jin seems less so (more driven by emotion). In any case, they rock together!

I was disappointed that she seemed to fade after a strong start, in season five. I was looking forward to seeing her come into her own. There's always next year, it's getting a little late in the game though.

I was disappointed that she seemed to fade after a strong start, in season five. I was looking forward to seeing her come into her own. There's always next year, it's getting a little late in the game.

Yea, when she was collaborating with Widmore it was awesome. But I think the worst moments with Sun were when she decided to charge up to Richard, and then Locke, in the middle of a speech.

Yea, that came across forced. Like the writers did it just to work her in there, so we didn't forget she was apart of the 2002/8 timeline.

Sun is annoying. She abandoned her baby *without* crazy island-interference. I think Jin deserves a lot better.

Nevertheless, I think this thread is getting off topic now. Let's get back to season 3.

Weak.....Heck no -- can you spell MIKHAIL !?!?

Isn't his name spelled with one "eye"? :cool:

He was great in his brief role.

As far as inconsequential mysteries go, I was always curious as to where Mihkail got scuba gear so quickly to follow Desmond down to the Looking Glass, having taken off at a run from the others who were trekking across the island. I didn't notice a Dive Shop on the beach, but maybe it was just off of camera.

Not that it matters, but that struck me right away the first time I watched it.

Small gripe though, cause she didn't make a second appearance. Like Harper, thank god.

The difference between Isabel and Harper is that the producers have made it a point to say that Isabel is "dead," which tells me they have no intention of using her again (which is disappointing, because I WANTED to learn more about Isabel!).

On the other hand, Darlton said in a podcast that Harper is still alive -- so I'm betting we'll see Harper (in island-time) back in Season 6 for a guest appearance or two, Andrea Roth's schedule permitting.

The difference between Isabel and Harper is that the producers have made it a point to say that Isabel is "dead," which tells me they have no intention of using her again (which is disappointing, because I WANTED to learn more about Isabel!).

On the other hand, Darlton said in a podcast that Harper is still alive -- so I'm betting we'll see Harper (in island-time) back in Season 6 for a guest appearance or two, Andrea Roth's schedule permitting.

I got quite annoyed with the female others, first they introduced Ms. Klugh whom I thought fitted well with the other and was interesting, she comes back in season 3 for 1 minute and dies, then they introduce Isabel, disappears, dies off-screen now they bring in Harper, she two disappears, but I'm sure she'll be back, Then Jil from season 5 comes in, only to be used just for the sack of minding Locke's body.

I just hope they use Harper more, just that why bother introducing all these female others, and barely give them much to do.

I got quite annoyed with the female others, first they introduced Ms. Klugh whom I thought fitted well with the other and was interesting, she comes back in season 3 for 1 minute and dies, then they introduce Isabel, disappears, dies off-screen now they bring in Harper, she two disappears, but I'm sure she'll be back, Then Jil from season 5 comes in, only to be used just for the sack of minding Locke's body.

I just hope they use Harper more, just that why bother introducing all these female others, and barely give them much to do.


Ms. Klugh I'll never forget because I did think she fit in well with the "Others", however, I can barely remember who the other two women are that you are referring to, that's how much they impacted the show and story for me.

don't forget Colleen who sun killed on Desmond's boat. she was a naughty other too! her and pickett made a great evil couple!

I don't know if we'll get more harper, but it seemed she tied into the Ben/Juliet arc, that there was more coming on that front. I think Harper was going to be used as a means to get more background on Juliets life, and that there may have been a confrontation between the two at some later point in season four, either in Dharma before Juliet changed sides or afterwards.

With that arc seemingly truncated because of the strike, I don't know if she'll pop back up again.

Mrs. Klugh was great, imo, and I was sorely disappointed when she got gunned down. Two minute appearance in season 3, what was that? She seemed like the legitimate second in command, below Ben, but higher up than Tom.

I think she fit in with the others like a glove too.

Ms. Klugh was awesome!

I don't know if we'll get more harper, but it seemed she tied into the Ben/Juliet arc, that there was more coming on that front. I think Harper was going to be used as a means to get more background on Juliets life, and that there may have been a confrontation between the two at some later point in season four, either in Dharma before Juliet changed sides or afterwards.

With that arc seemingly truncated because of the strike, I don't know if she'll pop back up again.

Mrs. Klugh was great, imo, and I was sorely disappointed when she got gunned down. Two minute appearance in season 3, what was that? She seemed like the legitimate second in command, below Ben, but higher up than Tom.

I think she fit in with the others like a glove too.

Whether we get more Harper or not, I really hope they touch on just how the Others appear as she did that night in the rain: that scene sticks out like a sore thumb to me. Kinda like 'is she alive or dead'? I believe the consensus at the time was that she was alive, though at the time, I definitely though she was dead.

Yeah, I thought she was dead too.

Whispers, she was there, and then gone. It definitely sticks out more than any of the other whispers which accompanied Others appearances.

A little more clarity on that would be nice.

Yeah, I thought she was dead too.

Whispers, she was there, and then gone. It definitely sticks out more than any of the other whispers which accompanied Others appearances.

A little more clarity on that would be nice.

Does anyone have a picture of who Harper is? I have totally forgotten who she is.:confused: Thanks.

Sure, 1DocLover...here's Harper (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Harper2.jpg)'s photo on Lostpedia. :)

She was just in that one episode of Juliet's, The Other Woman. She was a "therapist" that Juliet met with when she came to the Island...was kind of harsh in Juliet's first therapy session. She appeared to have a poor relationship with her husband Goodwin, who Juliet ended up having an affair with before Ben became aware of it and sent Goodwin off to the Tailies. She warned Juliet to stay away from Goodwin for the sake of his life due to Ben's jealousy. Then she appeared creepily, out of nowhere, in the woods to give instructions to Juliet that she said were from Ben.

Here's the whole Lostpedia entry (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Harper) on her.

I wasn't a big fan of Harper--I thought the actress was rather wooden--but the questions she raises were interesting.

Whether we get more Harper or not, I really hope they touch on just how the Others appear as she did that night in the rain: that scene sticks out like a sore thumb to me. Kinda like 'is she alive or dead'? I believe the consensus at the time was that she was alive, though at the time, I definitely though she was dead.

Might have something to do with how Cindy disappeared.

Might have something to do with how Cindy disappeared.

I'd much rather have some follow up on Cindy than Harper. I can lump Harper into that category of "fans didn't like here - forget she existed", but I need to know why the Others took Cindy, what they did to make her loyal to them, and where she and the kids have been for the past 2 seasons.

Sure, 1DocLover...here's Harper (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Harper2.jpg)'s photo on Lostpedia. :)

She was just in that one episode of Juliet's, The Other Woman. She was a "therapist" that Juliet met with when she came to the Island...was kind of harsh in Juliet's first therapy session. She appeared to have a poor relationship with her husband Goodwin, who Juliet ended up having an affair with before Ben became aware of it and sent Goodwin off to the Tailies. She warned Juliet to stay away from Goodwin for the sake of his life due to Ben's jealousy. Then she appeared creepily, out of nowhere, in the woods to give instructions to Juliet that she said were from Ben.

Here's the whole Lostpedia entry (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Harper) on her.

I wasn't a big fan of Harper--I thought the actress was rather wooden--but the questions she raises were interesting.

Thanks.:) She's another one that I could care less if they bring her back or not - what would be the point? Given that there's so little time left to finish up everything, why waste it? I hope season 6 concentrates mainly and mostly on our beloved original Losties and a few Others such as Ben, eyeliner man and a couple more. But for the most part, I'd rather it have more of a Season 1 feel.

back on topic though - I don't think Season 3 was weak, but I also don't think it was one of the best with the exception of three eppys. that are my absolute favs!

The guest star/recurring is an interesting character description to note, but due to the strike I don't think we'll see Harper again. Her recur would have occured there, imo.

But who cares anyway since this is a season three thread? :biggrin:

Cindy's interesting. Disappears in two, pops back up in three, and then we get to see the others at various points in seasons four and five and yet she isn't coming out of the crowd to talk to Locke or Sun or anybody and I just remembered that she never got to meet them....hmmm. Maybe it's not so weird that she isn't popping back up then.

Even if she remembered them from the plan, even if she knew who they were, what's she really gonna say to them? I brought you a coke, no ice, I gave you a gin and tonic, you were the problem passenger who kept wanting more cowbell juice all flight.

I'd like to know the means by which she just disappeared. Might get that more indirectly by getting more on the others/whispers and what not.

Wonder if we'll get an explanation on how/why Walt appeared to Locke in the pit too? He was off island at that point.

I'd like to know the means by which she just disappeared. Might get that more indirectly by getting more on the others/whispers and what not.


That's the most interesting question, and I personally assume it's connected to Harper's sudden appearance and disappearance as well. Sayid's electrical map from the middle of season 3 seemed to show tunnels. Maybe they came/ went through tunnels?

First, Miss Klugh was one of my favorite characters EVER on Lost, but I have a feeling they couldn't get April Grace to sign on for a long-term commitment as a recurring character. Maybe Ms. Grace didn't want to be contractually bound to keep flying back and forth between Hawaii and L.A. at Darlton's beck and call...and if Darlton were unwilling to upgrade her to full series regular, then her swan song in "Enter 77" was the last appearance they could get her to agree to do?

I'd much rather have some follow up on Cindy than Harper. I can lump Harper into that category of "fans didn't like here - forget she existed", but I need to know why the Others took Cindy, what they did to make her loyal to them, and where she and the kids have been for the past 2 seasons.

Personally, I believe that Cindy, the children, and Harper are ALL hunkered down somewhere in the Temple along with a faction of surviving Others. I think all of them could pop up again in Season 6 when the Losties finally make it inside the Temple...because let's face it: they've obviously been building up the mystery of the Temple this whole time so they can reveal its interior during the final season and tell us what makes this Temple so Jacobdang *special*.

Why did Harper appear and disappear so quickly to Juliet in the jungle? My theory is that it has something to do with astral projection, which I believe Walt was able to tap into as well (based on Miss Klugh's comments in "Three Minutes"). Maybe the island has some metaphysical properties that make it easier for those who are predisposed to astral projection to do so -- and if that energy is stronger at the Temple, Harper may have been able to control it better than Walt could.

While I agree that they intended to use Harper again in Season 4 had the strike been averted, I don't think that rules out us ever seeing Harper again. First, when Darlton stated in their podcast that Harper was still alive (when she appeared to Juliet in "The Other Woman"), the strike had already been going on for 4 months, and they clearly knew by that point what subplots and story arcs they were going to have to trim from Season 4. They wouldn't have made it a point to say "that was the REAL Harper" if they had no intention of using her again -- by contrast, saying that Isabel died at some undisclosed point due to "housecleaning" is Darlton indicating that they have no intention of using Isabel again.

Also, for those of you who say it doesn't make sense for Harper to return just because Juliet is off the show -- I say, YOU'RE WRONG! First, Harper still has a connection to Ben (and is probably pissed at him for putting Goodwin in harm's way)...so as long as Ben is alive, there's potential for confrontation. Second, Jack saw Harper right before she disappeared in the jungle, so Jack would remember who she was. Third, assuming my theory is right, and Harper is in the same place as Cindy and the Tailie children, it would make sense that she reappear at the same time they do. Which will probably be closer to the end of Season 6, I'd imagine.

Honestly, I believe the only way we WON'T see Harper again is if Andrea Roth is unavailable or unwilling to return as a guest star.