In Christian Sheherd's room there are 4 dirty glasses and a pack of cigarettes. The maid has said that Christian has not slept in his bed for 3 days but she would have still cleaned the room so....Christian was back there sometime between her last cleaning and when Jack arrived. We've never seen Christian smoking but it doesn't mean he doesn't there is a broken cigarette among his bottle of pills on his dresser. Who was sharing a drink with Christian?

Locke had a geiger counter in his room in Wlakabout. It is on the table when we see a wide shot of his room there is a toaster on a table in front of that is the gieger counter. There is also no wheelchair visable in the room. There seems to be a rigle case up against the wall. What's Locke got a gieger counter for?

Does it have to be Christian that came back to the room? It could be someone else who got access to it.

I do find the Geiger counter observation interesting. If only* because I do think there's something nuclear or radioactive on that island.* I know that does not address why Locke has one.*

Modifying my post, because I just noticed that you said 4 glasses...sounds like a group of people in there. Could Christain hooked back up with Sawyer and a couple of women and went back to the room for bit?

We've never seen Christian smoking but it doesn't mean he doesn't there is a broken cigarette among his bottle of pills on his dresser. Who was sharing a drink with Christian?



Was he smoking in the bar with Sawyer? I don't recall, but I can almost visualize him doing so. Of course all that means is that my imagination works!

There is also no wheelchair visable in the room.

I saw a wheelchair in the room, but it was to the far right and not near the bed where it should have been. *I'll see if I can find the screencap for you and point it out.

You can get geiger counters sometimes at army/navy surplus stores. *It could be just Cold War Era memorabilia. *Any other reason he might have it, I couldn't guess. *It is something a survivalist/paramilitary type might own. *I just don't see someone who has actually had to use one wanting to own one, but that's just me. *I've just come to the conclusion that Locke is either the best undercover spy in the world, or the biggest history nut in the world. * :laugh: *Who knows what currency is used in Nigeria and the proper name for it? * ;)

As far as Christian goes, maybe he has been hiding from someone and that's why he didn't go back to his room? *Maybe he went back to his room to collect his personal things after a few days and that somebody was there waiting? *

to collect his personal things after a few days and that somebody was there waiting? Sort of like Hibbs did to Sawyer? Sawyer came back into his room with Miss Lottery Numbers Girl, and there he was, sitting in the dark.

Locke and his bizarre knowledge - perhaps he's a closet Trivial Pursuit champion! ;)

yeah i think someone was after him or he was looking for someone or something, because why go to australia to binge?

Was he smoking in the bar with Sawyer?* I don't recall, but I can almost visualize him doing so.* Of course all that means is that my imagination works!


Nope not smoking.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=47&pos=328
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=47&pos=331
You can see some of the glasses in this picture the other is on the dresser with all the other pill bottles (at least 10 bottles of pills). The other screen caps are on the site you have to download them on or I'd attach them.
http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

Who knows what currency is used in Nigeria and the proper name for it?

Just read what's on the bill. ;)
http://www.kcshop.com/imagegallery/Nigeria.htm

Sam - So we can assume those cigarettes are Sawyer's, right ?

Maybe Sawyer was with Christian when he died, and decided to use his room to hide ?

Just read what's on the bill.* ;)
http://www.kcshop.com/imagegallery/Nigeria.htm

Sam - So we can assume those cigarettes are Sawyer's, right ?

Maybe Sawyer was with Christian when he died, and decided to use his room to hide ?


Like to think that maybe Sawyer was attached to those cigarettes.

http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=4&pos=254 The back of chair Locke is sitting in, doesn't look like a wheelchair to me. Yes, he has his jacket draped over it. I know there are ones that don't have handles on them. Still doesn't look like a wheelchair to me.

http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=4&pos=327

If you have a good screen you can see the gieger counter in front of the tea pot.

Since DEM, I've always wondered how Locke had clearance to have access to his mother's psychiatric record.
I mean, it's an adoption file, ok, so it must contain some critical info, but a psychiatric record ?

Just read what's on the bill.
http://www.kcshop.com/imagegallery/Nigeria.htm

Good one Crash! So he's just a master of the obvious! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Sam Grant, I'm waiting for the picture to load, for some reason it's taking forever. :(

So he's just a master of the obvious!

I begin to think it's always the case about Locke.

Sam Grant,

I played around with this screencap a little trying to decrease the shadows.* Maybe you will be able to see the wheelchair now.* You can't see the whole chair, but you can see the seat and the footrests.

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/lockeroom.jpg

Edited: I have seen a screencap similar to this one somewhere else, but I can't remember where, except it was a wider angle of the room and you could clearly see the wheelchair. It is on the far right side of the picture.

Sam and Shoot,
I think you're both saying more or less the same thing : this isn't normal this wheelchair is that far from the bed.
For my part, I think TPTB hid the wheelchair (partially or totally) to keep the surprise effect for the end of the episode.

I think you are right Crash. We were being set up for the big reveal.

That's what I thought too.* They'd spoil their surprise if they showed it, so they didn't.* This was early enough in the season that they probably couldn't know that we'd be going over the evidence like a forensics team.* *:laugh:

Sam Grant,

I played around with this screencap a little trying to decrease the shadows.* Maybe you will be able to see the wheelchair now.* You can't see the whole chair, but you can see the seat and the footrests.

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/lockeroom.jpg

Edited:* I have seen a screencap similar to this one somewhere else, but I can't remember where, except it was a wider angle of the room and you could clearly see the wheelchair.* It is on the far right side of the picture.

Thanks Shoot I was looking at the ones on this site that are HDTV. They are really good but there are only 2 shots and neither one shows clearly a wheelchair. In the ones on this site that shiney part that would be a foot rest looks like a piece of aluminium foil and you see back far enough to where you should be able to see part of the wheels.
http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

Part 4 #040978 & 040979

I wrote the numbers of the caps down but they are at work.

EEEKK! I'll wait Sam. I just downloaded a section from White Rabbit today and it took over 2 hours. :lol2:

By the way, Bess, I found your dolls. I couldn't remember if you ever found them or not.

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/WRdolls.jpg

The master of the obvious comment is interesting, b/c it doesn't seem that Boone picked up on it. Doesn't it seem that such a skill (pointing out information that is in plain site, but is missed by others) would be a good con-artist type of skill?* I wonder how many other cons were pulled on Locke in his previous life? He could have learned from those actions, amassing the skill-set, and is now using it - sort of like his knife throwing skills. Who knows when he learned it, or if he even used it before now.

Shoot - I did get the dolls, but thanks for the screencap...b/c now it's once again in my mind. Those dolls are creepy, and I bet they hold greater significance than just being a creepy little doll.

SG - thanks for including the livejournal link. Those screencaps are fantastic! Really clear!
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Another thought - could Hibbs have followed Sawyer to Oz to make sure his hit went through?

shootfire - I didn't see a clear answer to your question about Nigerian money. Nigeria has 3 types of currency, apparently - the naira, the pound, and the kobo. Why are you asking? I know your clever mind is onto something. Out with it!

Did Boone even look at the money? Up close I mean. I don't remember, but before we bash boone for not reading the notes properly, did he even have a chance to see or was Locke the one who saw?

No-one's bashing Boone.

Well, the Naira currency is kind of the same situation. It was Naira that Locke said specifically, but, just like the currency Crash linked us to, it says plainly in English what the currency is and its nation of origin. It just means he can read.

http://www.motherlandnigeria.com/economics.html

It kind of reminds me of the speech he gave on the beach about the lostaways not trying to blame each other for everything. There were others on the island and everyone knew it, another master of the obvious revelation. Regarding Charlie, he could see that Charlie was suffering. It was probably pretty obvious what his problem was. Yet, notice, he never asked Charlie for his drugs until he already knew where Charlie's guitar was. There's nothing mystical or freaky about the island giving Charlie back his guitar. Still, he used a mystical approach and made himself appear like some kind of guru. As far as Sawyer goes, we all knew he was feeling guilty about something before we knew he had killed Duckett. That's why he antagonized Sayid into torturing him. When Sawyer decided the boar had it in for him, it's not hard to guess that Sawyer is perceiving the boar as his conscience. You have to know that the guilt Sawyer feels is about a death, it would have to be something of that magnitude for someone to allow themselves to be tortured for it, thus his little anecdote. Doesn't the manifest have all of the lostaway's personal information on it? It wouldn't be too difficult to find out when Claire's birthday is, or maybe it was just dumb luck. Obviously she needed a cradle for the baby, she was way due. I just think Locke is, as he says, "good at putting bits and pieces together." Maybe he really doesn't have a clue about the hatch. He just doesn't want everyone to know about it until he can figure out what it is, and it's purpose, so he can maintain his guru appeal? I'm reminded of his statement, "A leader can't lead until he knows where he's going."


Princess, I think it's more a case of Boone not looking at the currency than not being capable of gleaning the same information from it. No Boone bashing there. Locke probably didn't want Boone to see it until he looked at it first. Boone's only mistake was in accepting everything Locke told him as gospel.

Shoot- fabulous reasoning! Locke is a smooth operator. If he wasn't a con man in his previous life, he certainly has the makings of one.

I guess bash was a strong word. I just meant exactly what you said shootfire, before we say that Boone couldn't read the money let's go back and think if Locke even gave him the chance to. I don't remember, but probably not.

Yes, Locke is a very good observer and he uses that to his advantage on the island, not that I think it is a bad thing, it's very clever on his part! ;)

EEEKK!* I'll wait Sam.* I just downloaded a section from White Rabbit today and it took over 2 hours.* *:lol2:

By the way, Bess, I found your dolls.* I couldn't remember if you ever found them or not.

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/WRdolls.jpg

I can't do it at home either. Takes too long.
You have to do it on a fast connection and then it only takes a couple of minutes.

Excellent post, Shootfire!

One of the talents a good con artist has to have is the ability to use whatever information they acquire to their advantage, and use it in such a way that it appears to have some mystical element to it.* And you're right -- Locke has it.

Like those psychics that note something and use it to astound their victim.* "You've changed your hair color recently," and the victim is astonished because she doesn't realize her roots show already.* (That's a lousy example but you know what I mean.)

Maybe Locke was conning his dad as much as his dad was conning him, for that matter.* Only he was out-conned.

Nigeria just uses the naira now--hasn't used the pound in decades, and kobo were small change, no longer used since devaluation.

What impressed me about Locke is that he pronounced the currency correctly--most Americans would be inclined to say "nay-ra" if they hadn't heard of it before. *And he didn't miss a beat--if you see completely unfamiliar currency it usually takes at least a moment to get oriented and sort out the country name--we tend to look at the pictures first! *And unless every last naira was in the same big denomination, they're in different colors with different pictures, so no wonder poor Boonie might not have sorted it out so quickly. *But that Locke seemed to know what's what....

I guess bash was a strong word.* I just meant exactly what you said shootfire, before we say that Boone couldn't read the money let's go back and think if Locke even gave him the chance to.* I don't remember, but probably not.

Yes, Locke is a very good observer and he uses that to his advantage on the island, not that I think it is a bad thing, it's very clever on his part! ;)

Hum... off the island he wasn't quite as observant. He should have noticed or questioned *the information on his mother's paperwork. The SS# being wrong sticks out.

His reasoning prior to being on the island is questionable. Believing that Helen a person he pays to talk to, would go on a trip with a stranger.

He has anger management issues. Don't let him start rubbing his head....oh didn't Lenny do that when he started to get upset?

Hum... off the island he wasn't quite as observant.

This is very true, Sam Grant.* Perhaps he learned a thing or two from his experience with dear old Dad, though.* He may have learned quite a bit about how to spot people's motivations and weaknesses.* More likely, I think he probably developed a relationship with his illeged mother* after the incident, who probably taught him a lot.* Of course, it's all speculation at this point.

Just wanted to add that for a psych patient with no visible means of support, Emily certainly seems to have a fine standard of living. Nice coat!

You took the words right out of my mouth, Shootfire! I think Locke has learned a thing or two, and perhaps what ever is going on with him on this island is bringing it out. Remember what Jack said to Kate -that who they were in the past does not matter now.

I also think of Shannon - who picked up some useful skills by dating men with sailboats!

This is very true, Sam Grant.* Perhaps he learned a thing or two from his experience with dear old Dad, though.* He may have learned quite a bit about how to spot people's motivations and weaknesses.* More likely, I think he probably developed a relationship with his illeged mother* after the incident, who probably taught him a lot.* Of course, it's all speculation at this point.

Just wanted to add that for a psych patient with no visible means of support, Emily certainly seems to have a fine standard of living.* Nice coat!

The part about Anthony being generous was probably true for her.

Emily gave Anthony what he wanted/needed (a kidney) in exchange for what she wanted/needed (cold hard cash). Hmm...sort of what is going on with Locke and his island now.

The part about Anthony being generous was probably true for her.

Yes, but why does any man keep handing money to an old lady friend for decades. *Is it for old times sake? *Thirty years is a long time to keep paying for an old relationship, one that did not produce a marriage or a child that either of them feels responsible for. *OR, does she have something on him? *Cooper hardly seems the type to have a generous spirit. * Hmmm....

Emily gave Anthony what he wanted/needed (a kidney) in exchange for what she wanted/needed (cold hard cash). Hmm...sort of what is going on with Locke and his island now.


Yes, but how long did he need a kidney? It sounded like he had been supporting her for years. If he hadn't, how would she support herself?

That could have just been a long string of giving him what he needs to get what she needs.

That could have just been a long string of giving him what he needs to get what she needs.

That is exactly what I'm saying.* I think Emily probably works for Cooper.* If he is in the con game, then Emily is probably his accomplice and knows a lot about the business.

I agree. :)

So, between the kidney con and the Walkabout thing, Locke learned his strategy skills. The word "Strategy" regrouping a lot of concepts.

What kind of man knows enough about psychology to be able to pull strings like that, and make people do whatever he wants ?
(revealing Jack to himself as a leader, turning Sayid against Sawyer, making Charlie quit drugs, having Boone as a grasshopper, ...)

What kind of man knows how to survive and compose with an hostile environment ?
( hunting boars, making glue and a LSD-like substance, building a cradle and a trebuchet, ....)

What kind of man can so easily take down a knife attack, using some sort of close-combat skills ?
(when Boone jumps on him)

What kind of man has a geiger counter at home ?

And then,
How this kind of man can let himself be hooked up by the voice of a phone sex operator ?
How this kind of man can let himself be treated like a dog by his boss ?

The boss - we all need to work to live. I think Locke put up with his job b/c he needed the job. Unless you are independently wealthy or have another job lined up, it's not in one's best interest to tell off your boss! ;)

I wonder if Locke is one of those survivorists?

What kind of man knows enough about psychology to be able to pull strings like that, and make people do whatever he wants ?

I think a con man fits that description.

What kind of man knows how to survive and compose with an hostile environment ?

These are boyscout skills.
Edited: Heh, except for the hallucinogens.... :laugh: Though the idea of a hallucinogen may have been planted by Native American lore and spirit walks, that would hardly be taught in scouting. Again, he grew up in the cold war era though. Hallucinogens became a part of pop culture during that time. Again, he is a history buff.

http://www.bookrags.com/researchtopic-hallucinogens/

What kind of man can so easily take down a knife attack, using some sort of close-combat skills ?

I don't think Boone had much experience in close combat.* A man who got beaten up a lot as a child because he wasn't very popular has the edge of experience.

What kind of man has a geiger counter at home ?

A man who grew up in the cold war era and loves history and militaria would doubtless find a geiger counter fascinating.* He would also be the type to shop at army/navy surplus stores.

How this kind of man can let himself be hooked up by the voice of a phone sex operator ?

He sounds like a lonely deluded man to me.

How this kind of man can let himself be treated like a dog by his boss ?

Just a strange notion I had, but, it could be a man who is running a con.

We've seen only what they wanted us to see in Locke's flashbacks, and they've filled his backstory with pathos.* But are things what they seem?

Locke seemed to want to donate his kidney to get closer to his father, but that's an assumption.* We never heard that conversation.* "This was meant to be," or whatever he said about destiny, could have applied to anything.* For all we know, Locke donating his kidney was what would seal the deal on a con.* Give up a kidney, get hold of your rich dad's fortune.

I'm not saying that's what happened -- I'm just saying that the bulk of the information we have about anything at all is an assumption or conjecture.* Most of it is out of context, and can be interpreted several different ways.

But are things what they seem?

Of course, we can't know that now. It certainly is fun trying to guess though. :)

It is all just speculation.

It's true - the writers have crafted Locke's flashbacks in such a way, that pity is what comes out.

Of course, we can't know that now.* It certainly is fun trying to guess though.* *:)

It is all just speculation.


Exactly.* :)*

Bess, and in the first flashback, the pity we felt for him distracted us from the fact that his boss (however jerky) was actually telling the truth.*

Yes, I guess, Randy was telling the truth.

An aside - One of the scenes they showed last night was Jack talking to Locke, asking about Boone (Jack made the comment that they were joined at the hip) ....I did not pay too much attention ...but as I searched for Shannon and Discover magazine today, I noticed in the "Hearts and Minds" eppy was when that conversation took place..Boone was out in the jungle having his hallucination. I think Jack sensed that something was wrong or amiss and tried to find it out. Looking back at certain things - Locke has not been all that nice from the beginning.

In Christian Sheherd's room there are 4 dirty glasses and a pack of cigarettes. The maid has said that Christian has not slept in his bed for 3 days but she would have still cleaned the room so....Christian was back there sometime between her last cleaning and when Jack arrived. We've never seen Christian smoking but it doesn't mean he doesn't there is a broken cigarette among his bottle of pills on his dresser. Who was sharing a drink with Christian?

Can we go back to this one for a moment?

I'm puzzled by something. Sam Grant, you said there were 4 dirty glasses. Was there a bottle too? Would someone use a clean glass each time they poured another drink? I'm thinking there must have been at least 4 people in the room. They were probably there the night before Christian died, or surely the maid would have mentioned someone had been there. She just hadn't cleaned the room the day Jack found it. The other thing that bothers me, is that Sawyer obviously knows Christian is Jack's father. The antagonism between them, I think, must be related in part to that information. Sawyer calling Jack, Saint Jack, I think this must be related to Christian telling him his son is a good man, possibly a great man. The fact that he knows Jack was in Australia, means that he knows how close the two came to Christian telling Jack everything he told Sawyer. Wouldn't Sawyer feel something for Jack besides antagonism?

All of this is just bugging me because of what Sawyer said about trying to give someone their bottle back. Between the cigarettes and the lack of a bottle, if there is no bottle, I think the writers must be suggesting that Sawyer was in the room. But, who else?

Off topic, I see another figurative mirror image here. Sawyer was all set to pull a con job until there was a child involved. Jack was ready to lie for his father, until there was a child involved.

Yes, Shoot. I was thinking along the same lines earlier in the thread.

Modifying my post, because I just noticed that you said 4 glasses...sounds like a group of people in there. Could Christain hooked back up with Sawyer and a couple of women and went back to the room for bit?

I also can picture a couple of people waiting in the room for Christian to get back, sort of like what Hibbs did to Sawyer.

--an aside - I wonder if Hibbs traveled to Oz to make sure Sawyer hit his mark?

Another question, who was buying Christian's drinks prior to Sawyer? Christian didn't have his wallet. Bartenders look poorly on people sitting at their bars not drinking. Perhaps there was someone Christian met after his altercation at the hotel bar, who suggested that his mood might be tolerated better here? Did Christian have a little cash on him when he was ejected from the hotel bar? Maybe Hibbs was staying at the same hotel as Christian? The funny thing is, that while Christian was drinking, he didn't seem to be falling down drunk, or rowdy, or any of the things you might expect would get you kicked out of a hotel bar.

good question, Shoot. The bar that Sawyer and Christian were in was a far cry from a nice clean hotel bar. Christian didn't fit. It was almost like he was placed there like a game piece or knick-knack.

Can we go back to this one for a moment?*

I'm puzzled by something.* Sam Grant, you said there were 4 dirty glasses.* Was there a bottle too?* Would someone use a clean glass each time they poured another drink?* I'm thinking there must have been at least 4 people in the room.* They were probably there the night before Christian died, or surely the maid would have mentioned someone had been there.* She just hadn't cleaned the room the day Jack found it.* The other thing that bothers me, is that Sawyer obviously knows Christian is Jack's father.* The antagonism between them, I think, must be related in part to that information.* Sawyer calling Jack, Saint Jack, I think this must be related to Christian telling him his son is a good man, possibly a great man.* The fact that he knows Jack was in Australia, means that he knows how close the two came to Christian telling Jack everything he told Sawyer.* Wouldn't Sawyer feel something for Jack besides antagonism?*

All of this is just bugging me because of what Sawyer said about trying to give someone their bottle back.* Between the cigarettes and the lack of a bottle, if there is no bottle, I think the writers must be suggesting that Sawyer was in the room.* But, who else?*

Off topic, I see another figurative mirror image here.* Sawyer was all set to pull a con job until there was a child involved.* Jack was ready to lie for his father, until there was a child involved.


2 empty bottles of booze in the dresser drawer.
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=209
Pills and crushed cigarette
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=207

Is that Bushmills whiskey? Also in the photo with the pills, looks like a crumpled up candy bar wrapper (or is it the empyt cigarette box?) Also in with the liquor there's a wrapper that says hydralazine (a high blood pressure drug).

I don't know Bess. I think I'm disappointed in my monitor now. The crumpled paper looks like some kind of Asian graphic to me I'm pretty sure I see a star on it too. What are the smaller pieces of paper? Tickets? Maybe it has to do with seeing some show? Also, up in the right hand corner, that looks like a letter in a basket to me, is that what you see?

Is that a dresser or is it a bedside table? It doesn't look wide enough to be much of a dresser.

2 empty bottles of booze in the dresser drawer.

Ok, that leaves me with another couple of questions. Why put them in the drawer instead of the trash, and why leave the glasses out and hide the bottles?

Maybe you are laying in bed drinking and you are just too drunk to make it to the trash? But that would have happened before the three days, because the bed hasn't been slept in. Keeping the empty bottles doesn't seem to make sense from a purposeful standpoint. At least I can't think of a reason. ;)

So, if the bottles are just there because Christian didn't get up to throw them away, the maid isn't going to go into drawers and throw things away. Somehow, I don't think those are the bottles that our mysterious 4 were drinking from.

All this stuff was looked up when I first found it awhile ago. It was the the 4 glasses that was a new revelation to me.* Hydralazine is also taken by heart patients.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=10699.0

The bottles are in the dresser that is across the room from the bed. I wonder who's fingerprints we'd find on them. There is also and what looks like an ice bucket and other things over by the desk onder the window.

The link is to a spoiler thread...can't read it. Did it go into the Bushmills? What did it say about the crumpled candy bar wrapper? I remember a thread that talked about the medicine, but not the other things on the table.

Shoot - it is really strange to put the bottles in the drawer...I think that you would do that only if you were hiding it from someone.

Hydralazine - yes,it's not just high blood pressure -- - I read the medline encyclopedia as well.

that was a great catch about the glasses
My guess would be Christian Hibbs and the X setting up the final touches on the 'sawyer' con

Did I see another picture of two bottles in a drawer side by side?

The paint is too thick on the Christian is a sloppy drunk picture. Its a set up. Also the glasses might have been cleaned up but the empties in the draw would remain

that was a great catch about the glasses
My guess would be Christian Hibbs and the X setting up the final touches on the 'sawyer' con

Did I see another picture of two bottles in a drawer side by side?

The paint is too thick on the Christian is a sloppy drunk picture. Its a set up. Also the glasses might have been cleaned up but the empties in the draw would remain

Another odd piece of info trying to track down something for someone. In RBA when Hurley is getting the information from Ethan about where he lives and stuff. Ethan smiles and guess what, he has braces on. The kind that have the clear plastic on your teeth and the one silver wire going across. Ethan smiles at Hurley and you can see them. No screen caps at Lost-media or Lost-TV I found the picture on the HDTV site. Or watch the episode. That leads me to believe that Ethan hasn't been on the island very long and he may have been a stowaway on flight 815. Unless they have a dental office on the island we haven't seen yet.

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

what i wanna know is....the paper. USA Today
the article says "arrest..."
can't read the rest. bet it's a connection, anyone know what it says?

what i wanna know is....the paper.* USA Today
the article says "arrest..."
can't read the rest.* bet it's a connection, anyone know what it says?


the second word is "Terrorist"

Sam Grant, has anyone been able to determine that the smaller pieces of paper were tickets that you know of? I didn't see anything about them in your earlier link.

the second word is "Terrorist"

actually, it's the 3rd word that says terrorist. then something with "ing" at the end.

ARREST
??????
Terrorist
?????ing

anyone?

Sam Grant, has anyone been able to determine that the smaller pieces of paper were tickets that you know of?* I didn't see anything about them in your earlier link.


Nothings been said about the crumpled paper. Maybe our Aussie friends can help us with that. Might be something easily recognizable to them and not to us.

actually, it's the 3rd word that says terrorist.* then something with "ing" at the end.

ARREST
??????
Terrorist
?????ing

anyone?


Ring?? Though the word that is usually used is cell.

There's been a couple of other threads that have discussed the USA Today paper and the words. Just do a search and you should come up with them if interested.

Ring?? Though the word that is usually used is cell.

It could also say bombing, but that would be pure speculation, wouldn't it? ;)

On the geiger counter...

What if his walkabout wasn't really a trip of self-discovery, but of some other kind of discovery....

Something about everything keeps me thinking lost gold from WWII. (Maybe it's because I just read Cryptonomicon and have been playing Medal of Honor: Rising Sun...)

But in WWII, nukes weren't prevalent... What could Locke be looking for in Australia? Aliens? Some other energy source?

People have linked Ayers Rock to Atlantis somehow.........

On the geiger counter...

What if his walkabout wasn't really a trip of self-discovery, but of some other kind of discovery....

Something about everything keeps me thinking lost gold from WWII. (Maybe it's because I just read Cryptonomicon and have been playing Medal of Honor: Rising Sun...)

But in WWII, nukes weren't prevalent... What could Locke be looking for in Australia? Aliens? Some other energy source?

People have linked Ayers Rock to Atlantis somehow.........

Because of the pictures on the mantle at Anthony Cooper's I had a feeling that Locke was really looking for the man with his other kidney, Dad. But then why would he want to take Helen along with him? If he was looking for gold or anything personal why would he want Helen along?

A terrorist cell refers to a small group (usually 3 to 5 members) and a terrorist ring would be a number of cells. After reading through a number of articles on terrorism and such, that's how journalists seem to be using the terms. ;)

Any idea about what our new FUSELAGE logo is trying to tell us? The sides aren't black and white? They are more black and grey with static in between? 1/2 is under water?

Any idea about what our new FUSELAGE logo is trying to tell us? The sides aren't black and white? They are more black and grey with static in between? 1/2 is under water?
um what? ??? ??? ???

um what?* *??? ??? ???

Up at the top of the page the FUSELAGE logo has changed. I'm on AOL it used to be just Black and White now the bottom 1/2 turns gray the bottom 1/2 of the letters are outlined in black and white filled in with gray and there is a bar of static that divides the letters in the middle. I think it may have happened yesterday when the site seems to have been down. I wasn't able to get on in the morning and it seems quite a few people said the same thing.

The logo looks the same right now to me....but when I load the page, it looks different and changes. I can't really explain it, but it did not do it before. Yes, it looks like SG described it, but only when I refresh the page!

i dunno, guys, i dont see it regularly or when i reload. all looks the same to me.

Now that we know Sawyer couldn't have been the one with Christian who could it have been? Shannon, she likes older men? Certainly Christian would have shaved for her. Locke, may have been seeking medication? Hurley, just chatting? Ana Lucia talks to strangers. I'm adding Charlie to the list.

Thanks for reviving t his topic, Sam Grant.

I wonder if Christian's hotel was the same hotel Michael and Walt were staying in? If so, perhaps their paths may cross. :-\

'Chance meeting' in an OZ bar. Sounds familia.

Hibbs, *Ana, *Nadia, Susan, Sun's father, The Physic, Hurleys acct, Shrimp guy, Boones mom or maybe Lockes 'mom' we need a smoker
Meanwhile back at the island Cooper awaits the inductees

Those we see staying in a hotel in Sydney
Michael and Walt
Boone and Shannon
Christian (well, we don't see him....)


Those we see in a bar in Sydney
Sawyer
Christian

Those we see smoking in Sydney
Sawyer
??

Did anyone catch what Sawyer said to Jack about Christian, "I had to take off, but something tells me he never got around to making that call."

I think that's pretty good evidence that Sawyer never saw Christian again, not alive anyway.
He said he met Christian about a week before the flight. That leaves plenty of time for Christian to have gone back to his room and shaved, or to have shacked up with someone before he died. He could have been going back to his room from time to time for cash, grooming, and such. It answers some questions for me anyway. I still think someone was in his room after he died and before Jack got there though.

Adding to those we see in a bar in Sydney:

Jack
Ana Lucia

Did anyone catch what Sawyer said to Jack about Christian, "I had to take off, but something tells me he never got around to making that call."*

I think that's pretty good evidence that Sawyer never saw Christian again, not alive anyway.*
He said he met Christian about a week before the flight.* That leaves plenty of time for Christian to have gone back to his room and shaved, or to have shacked up with someone before he died.* He could have been going back to his room from time to time for cash, grooming, and such.* It answers some questions for me anyway.* I still think someone was in his room after he died and before Jack got there though.

Adding to those we see in a bar in Sydney:

Jack
Ana Lucia


The airport bar.

Who else do we think might smoke? I should look at the glasses for lipstick but I don't think I saw any before.

Shannon might smoke. That might be why she has asthma. Breathing isn't cool?

Shannon might smoke.* That might be why she has asthma.* Breathing isn't cool?

Boone said she had it from a kid but I know people with asthma abd they smoke.

I thought Shannon may smoke as well. I checked through the screencaps in HAM but no go. I also checked thru the transcripts, b/c I thought she asked SAwyer for som, but it was sunscreen.

Shoot- your thoughts on Christian are good. Makes sense to me.

Hi all! I'm reviving this thread because we've discussed the dirty glasses in Christian's room. Over in the mirror thread we've started to discuss it as well. But, since we've all had an interest, I thought I'd post my next thought here.

The gist of the latest disussion - is what if the crash/island was a set up - a "rich man's game"? Christian, Cooper, and a couple of others. Here's Shoot's latest which brings up a good point
just thought of someone else who could have been in Christian's room. Charlie stole the cigarette case from Lucy Heatherton's father. Maybe he smokes. Smoking paraphernalia doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone would collect unless the collector also smokes. What if it wasn't a "my kid's better than your kid" type discussion. Maybe these guys got together and tried to plan a way to get thorns out of their sides. Maybe Lucy was devastated by the idea that Charlie had used her. Lucy's father may have been trying to get revenge for her. Maybe Jack's father was in, until he had a change of heart. Maybe Christian called that meeting because he had changed his mind, only he didn't live to make the meeting. Anthony Cooper, Heatherton, Christian, the real Sawyer, and Brennan with the key...hmmm.....

Cooper wants to be rid of Locke. Heatherton wants to be rid of Charlie. Christian wants to be rid of Jack. Sawyer, well Sawyer wants to live, so he wants to be rid of James. Brennan wants revenge on Kate for killing Tom. Hmmmm.....

I agree - with Heatherton being a band called the "Protestant Reformation" and Charlie being Catholic - the double entendres are too obvious to ignore! I am leaning toward the four being : Christian, Heatherton, Cooper, and Mr Paik, represented by bathroom henchman. Their reasons :

Christian - I don't think Jack was his thorn/target. I don't think he would assume he would head to Oz.
Heatherton - Charlie
Cooper - Locke
Mr Paik - Jin (he wouldn't worry about Sun, b/c I bet he knew of her plan to leave Jin)

Discuss! :D

There looks to be a missing scene from the call sheet that was circulating, it's in the LOST Library. When they film the scene with Charlie and the Junkie there is a third actor #100. Either they never filmed it, cut it, or are saving it for next year. The question is which actor is #100?

I think there were other people in Christian's room. Mr. Paik's representitive is one good choice.

Sam your info on a missing scene reminds me of Star Wars - a missing planet - and where did it go why was it removed -
I wonder if this was dropped for us - people like YOU Sam that would research and see it missing and then begin to wonder why and then locate it --

I think you are on to something!

Care

Mr. Paik's representitive is one good choice.

Mr. Paik made sense to me from the perspective of a "rich man's game." Now, when I think about it, there was a crumpled piece of paper on the table with those dirty glasses. I thought way back when that it looked like an asian graphic of some kind. Hmmm....

The missing actor...it would be interesting if it turned out to be another other.... :lol2:


Christian - I don't think Jack was his thorn/target. I don't think he would assume he would head to Oz.

Well, he might not assume it. Still, there is that sticky ticket issue. Didn't Jack's mother(stepmother?) give him the ticket? It could have been a manipulation, part of the game.

something just popped into my head.

pilot dead in the tree, left to rot. as far as we know, still there

Priest dead in the tree. already rotted and still up there after all this time, and HOW MANY monsoon seasons!? UNLIKELY!

(planes would probably not be suspended in stuff thru all that weather too. it was just balanced there. strong winds prolly coulda shaken it. (did someone bring this up back in the day)

anyohw, connection with pilot and priest in tree?

something just popped into my head.

pilot dead in the tree, left to rot.* as far as we know, still there

Priest dead in the tree.* already rotted and still up there after all this time, and HOW MANY monsoon seasons!?* UNLIKELY!

(planes would probably not be suspended in stuff thru all that weather too.* it was just balanced there.* strong winds prolly coulda shaken it.* (did someone bring this up back in the day)

anyohw, connection with pilot and priest in tree?*


Just like hurricanes, the island might not have been hit by a big storm, just rain. The priest. I'm pretty sure was in a trap, Locke undid the vine he was caught in and released the body.

Who ever or what ever it is likes trees to kill people - Charlie was strung up in a tree as well.

I tend to agree with Shootfire about the plane still being there -* a good heavy rain would wash away alot of that hillside ....like those poor houses out in CA recently.

Oh- the glasses (which is my pet thought du jour) - I bet we've already seen (no matter who the combo) or heard of the people who were there. I don't think it's anyone new.

Cooper - we saw him drinking - in fact, they made a point of him asking Locke if he wanted a drink.
Hibbs - we saw him drinking - in fact, they made a point about showing him helping himself to a drink in the room

*sigh* I'm tired.

then saywer sent his GF to the bar for a few drinks

I'd like to add to the list of people we see in the hotel in Sydney:

Walt/Michael (and the guy in the boxers...who was it? I've heard some people say it was sceve)

Hurley

Charlie/poison girl

added to:
Boone/Shannon
Jack
Christian (not seen)

I'd like to add to the list of people we see in the hotel in Sydney:

Walt/Michael (and the guy in the boxers...who was it?* I've heard some people say it was sceve)

Hurley

Charlie/poison girl

added to:
Boone/Shannon
Jack
Christian (not seen)



We don't know that Boone/Shannon, Jack or Christian were in the same Hotel as Walt/Michael, Hurley, Charlie/Poison girl or in the same hotel as each other.

We do know that Hurley & Charlie/Poison Girl were in the same hotel.

We do know that Walt/Michael and Sceve were in the same hotel.

I've been looking at screen caps to see if any of the furniture looks the same. But haven't had any luck so far.

anything meant for the lists, please post them there also.
so i dont lose track
;)

Any one think we may have seen the backround from Nadias picture in some other flashback?

Any one think we may have seen the backround from Nadias picture in some other flashback?


Something made me look at the picture again too. I was looking to see if it really looked like Southern California. Nothing really noticable. I'll see if theres a screen cap
.http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=36390&fullsize=1

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=18711.msg374923#msg374923
They say Charlie and Hurley not in same scene. Also because one of the writers said the person leaving after 2nd episode will have no flashback scenesIt got me thinking especially in regard to plane seating and maybe other flashbacks. Maybe they are shot it a way that it would be easy to remove characters from flashbacks. Could this be the case?

Finally, I found another smoker.* Haddad was smoking a cigarette in TGG.* It's the one Sayid used to test the smoke alarm.* It's interesting because Christian's room is where we see the USA Today with the article about a terrorist bombing/ring.

I love this thread - it's one of my favorites. Great catch on the other smoker!

We had been wondering if Sawyer had been one of the other people in Christian's room, it turns out that it doesn't look to be the case. There is something that has always made me stop and wonder. It is the red bic lighter on Christian's nightstand. Doesn't Sawyer throw a red bic lighter to Kate to light her fire with? Not the same lighter but people that smoke tend to buy the same lighters (I know there are a billion people that use those lighters) I wouldn't be surprised if it was from the bar, when they met and Sawyer forgot to take it.

I don't have Confidence Man taped so I don't know if Sawyer remembered to take his cigarettes and lighter when he left.

i don't believe we ever see him leave at all.

I tend to think that it's not Sawyer there as well. But, not because of the lighter - just that Christian and Sawyer are vastly different in the socioeconomic department. I tend to think that Christian's room buddies were men (and I do think they were men) akin to him.

I tend to think that it's not Sawyer there as well. But, not because of the lighter - just that Christian and Sawyer are vastly different in the socioeconomic department. I tend to think that Christian's room buddies were men (and I do think they were men) akin to him.

After ruling out Sawyer. I was thinking that if Sawyer left his lighter and cigarettes Christian may have picked them up. Seems a strange thing about drinking, people that don't usually smoke will pick up a cigarette and smoke it? Don't know why but the 2 things seem to go together.

After ruling out Sawyer. I was thinking that if Sawyer left his lighter and cigarettes Christian may have picked them up. Seems a strange thing about drinking, people that don't usually smoke will pick up a cigarette and smoke it? Don't know why but the 2 things seem to go together.

True Sam Grant. People who have quit smoking, even years before, are sometimes tempted to pick it up again when they are drinking.

The thing that made me think they might have been Haddad's cigarettes, is that Essam said something about Haddad liked for them to blend in with society. I'm reminded of what they say 9/11 terrorists did shortly before they began their attack. They were seen hanging out in bars. That's not what you expect of a radical Muslim.

Sayid

You have to get out of that apartment - practice more.

Essam

Haddad would like that - more blending in with the community.

Sayid

I think he's got his eye on a target.

You would think that after the explosives and Essam's body were discovered, the rest of the terrorists would not be able to go back to their apartment. They would have to hide somewhere. If they discovered the news while they were in a bar, and just happened to see some guy keel over dead, they might hide the body and use his room to wait for things too cool off a bit.

True Sam Grant.* People who have quit smoking, even years before, are sometimes tempted to pick it up again when they are drinking.

The thing that made me think they might have been Haddad's cigarettes, is that Essam said something about Haddad liked for them to blend in with society.* I'm reminded of what they say 9/11 terrorists did shortly before they began their attack.* They were seen hanging out in bars.* That's not what you expect of a radical Muslim.


You would think that after the explosives and Essam's body were discovered, the rest of the terrorists would not be able to go back to their apartment.* They would have to hide somewhere.* If they discovered the news while they were in a bar, and just happened to see some guy keel over dead, they might hide the body and use his room to wait for things too cool off a bit.

Now that makes sense. Christian had his door key or card and they usually have the hotel name on them. They didn't take any money and would they have left empty galsses with fingerprints on them?

I don't think the last time Christin was in his room he was alone. More to think about.

They didn't take any money and would they have left empty galsses with fingerprints on them?

There's nothing else to connect them to the room. It's not like it would matter if the glasses are found after they leave with their fingerprints. Their identities are already known because they were Essam's roommates. I don't think they would be worried about leaving a trail that leads to the hotel room of a dead man.

I was watching part 1 of Exodus and the scene with Ana Lucia in the bar. I think she may have been in Christian Shepherd's room. I know someone mentioned this before, sorry, I can't remember who. I wish it was easier to see if one of those bottles was tequila or there was a lemon wedge around.

SG didn't you find Ana-Lucia's phone call ominous. I just got the feeling it was not just a buddy calling. Is Ana in on something with Christian, and sought out Jack in the bar?

Or she was some kind of cop or courier and they were calling to say the package or person was ready for pickup

The call was a bit too coincidental. And she HAD to take it. Interesting thought about her being in the room.

Yeah, "I gotta talk.". She sounds like someone who is trying to be important. Yes, a convient call.

I also have another suspect to enter. I've mentioned Charile before but I found something in Exodus that makes me want to add him to the list of possibles. We know he hangs out in bars, that's where he picked up the poison girl but in the beginning of the scene in his bedroom we get a shot of the nighstand, just like Christian's but a mirror image and he has cigarettes on his also, Looking for screen caps.

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=30&id=NONAME_002_000_008.jpg

of course the ABC is right on top of everything.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=16299&fullsize=1
Christian's room

when you say mirror image, which part are you referring to? literal or figurative?

i looked at those nightstands, and the only thing i see the same is a pack of cigarettes/ashtray and a reference to booze (christian has a reg. glass with whiskey or something, and charlie has two wine glasses from that wine he has, one standing, and one knocked over)

i also don't think they are charlie's butts, i think they are Lily's. he has never given us a reason to think he smokes cigarettes i dont think.
BUT, the two are the same kind of smoke. i know many times, the film industry uses the same generic brand, so it could mean nothing.
i mean, how many ppl smoke Marlboro? a lot.
:)

i know many times, the film industry uses the same generic brand, so it could mean nothing.

The cigarettes Sawyer was smoking in the pilot came from a green box. The ones on Charlie's bedside table are definitely a soft pack. I don't know if that means something or not, but they're not using the same generic brand for everyone.

The cigarettes Sawyer was smoking in the pilot came from a green box.* The ones on Charlie's bedside table are definitely a soft pack.* I don't know if that means something or not, but they're not using the same generic brand for everyone.
hmmm
the pack on christians table and that on charlie's were both white with a red rectangle on the front. a few stripes.

hmmm
the pack on christians table and that on charlie's were both white with a red rectangle on the front. a few stripes.

Could it be that Lily/Poison Girl met Christian in a bar and went back to the room with him trying to get drugs?

Could it be that Lily/Poison Girl met Christian in a bar and went back to the room with him trying to get drugs?



Grotesque............but that's reality. It could have happened. :P

I should have added Lily to the possibilities. We also never have seen Christian smoke. It is interesting the same type of cigarettes are in each room. I have strong suspisions that the last person Christian saw was a woman. He was clean shaven in the morgue and the last time we saw him with Sawyer, he was in need of a shave. We now know that several days could have passed before Christian died.

Could it be that Lily/Poison Girl met Christian in a bar and went back to the room with him trying to get drugs? OR money for drugs - when we see Christian and Sawyer - Christian does not have his wallet - perhaps stolen?

Another thought I had about the cigs in Charlies room, is that sometimes the end of a cigarette is used to smoke drugs off of? I know I've heard or seen of a cigarette being part of a method of taking drugs, just don't know any of the dirty details.

heroin can be rolled into a common cigarette and smoked. (just looked it up)

OR money for drugs - when we see Christian and Sawyer - Christian does not have his wallet - perhaps stolen?

No. Jack picks up his dad's wallet in his room and there is money in it. Christian tells Sawyer he forgot his wallet.

in all the FBs etc, we dont ever see charlie using other than snorting it. it's possible he burns it, but i can't make that jump
i think we're grasping at straws. and not the ones Locke made to carry the stix ;)

Charlie may not, but Lily was an addict. She may. ;)

Charlie may not, but Lily was an addict. She may.* ;)
true

heroin can be rolled into a common cigarette and smoked. (just looked it up)

It can, but it isn't done frequently. Most hardcore users are very stingy about their dope and wouldn't want to 'waste' all the smoke that would fly around in-between hits if it were rolled up into a joint or a cigarette. Heroin is smoked, sure, but people who are into that shit usually smoke it out of a lightbulb or a glass bottle so they can heat the surface and not the rock itself, so it only produces smoke when you want it to and, effectively, lasts longer.

For the record, I only know this stuff cuz I've played music all my life and, as such, hung out with some unsavory characters. I hate heroin and would never touch the stuff. I've just been unfortunate enough to be around way more of it than I'd like.

For the record, I only know this stuff cuz I've played music all my life and, as such, hung out with some unsavory characters. I hate heroin and would never touch the stuff. I've just been unfortunate enough to be around way more of it than I'd like.

Sure, ok, mmmhmm, we can buy that. ;) :D

The thing that gets me is it doesn't look like he's snorting it either? It looks like he's eating it or rubbing it on his gums. Maybe I just don't know my illicit drug terminology. :laugh: My question is, would that be his method of choice? Perhaps he was only using it that way due to necessity. On the plane he was being pursued. He didn't exactly have time to get fancy. Do drug abusers usually pick one method and stick to it without variation? And would the methods change with regard to how many are involved in the process? I would think that, rather, they would use whatever methods presented themselves in a given situation. Just guessing though. :angel:

they usually do what they can. charlie rubbed it on his gums for immediate gratification. it's not the best way to get high, and it want last as long, but in a rush, it'll do. i think he's a snorter. but they like to numb the gums with it too

they usually do what they can That I agree with.

Knowing nothing about how heroin is taken. The stuff Charlie has looks like natural sugar, in crystals. It seems to me unless it was in a powder form it would be hard to snort, I think it would have to be in a powder form. What does Lily say. Can we do another bump? What's the word? Would that tell us how they were using it?

Now for the cigarette part. Christian has cigarette's in his room but among the pills there is a broken off piece of cigarette that seemed strange and may fit in with the heroin somehow.

Oddly enough, I have found a sort of online manual for using heroin. Here's a quote.

Smoking is naturally associated with brown tar heroin in much the same way that snorting is to white powder-probably because of its association with opium.

I'm not going to post the link because it is rather distasteful. If you want it, give me proof of age in a pm and I'll send it to you. :lol2: Otherwise you'll have to google it yourself.

Knowing nothing about how heroin is taken. The stuff Charlie has looks like natural sugar, in crystals. It seems to me unless it was in a powder form it would be hard to snort, I think it would have to be in a powder form. What does Lily say.* Can we do another bump? What's the word? Would that tell us how they were using it?

Now for the cigarette part. Christian has cigarette's in his room but among the pills there is a broken off piece of cigarette that seemed strange and may fit in with the heroin somehow.


They've said that they used brown sugar for the drug scene. Maybe the prop guys didn't refine it as much as actual heroin would be when you snort it?

The only way we see Charlie using it is by rubbing it on his gums. In other movies I've seen the whole spoon, heat, inject form but we never saw any of that suff at Charlie's so they had to have some way of using it.

LILY: Uh ... you want to do one more bump for the road?

The spoon trick, is to liquify the drug, so they can shoot it in their Wherever with a needle.

ok, "bump" means snort up the nose, BUT
a snort is usually a line, or using a straw, etc.
a bump is more like a pile on a spoon or another semi flat small surface.
a shotgun is to dig the drugs with your straw so that it fills about a centimeter up of the straw
place in nose, and hold the end with your finger while you begin to suck thru the nose, then you let your finger go, and ZOOM! right up in one big hit it goes. only the more die-hards do it that way.
so atleast he was bumping up with Lily

Naughty - you're a wealth of info! That sounds so gross!

Wow you never know what you might learn here at the 'lage' :o

Here's something I thought was interesting.* There are two bottles in Christian's bedside drawer.* One is Bushmills, the other is Johnny Walker Red (Skotch Whiskey). The interesting thing, I think, is that Cooper drinks scotch.* He offered Locke some the day he went to meet Anthony.

From working in bars, I know that Johnny Walker Black is the more popular of the 2, so is the color red a hint?

WIF, I'd say as much as anything else red has been a hint. We really don't know what it means though do we? It's all just speculation. Personally, I think red is symbolic of danger or trickery, but who knows?

Naughty - you're a wealth of info! That sounds so gross!*
yes, it's a very yucky habit!

I'd say the difference between Christian drinking Johnny Walker Red vs. Black is that he turned into a cheaper drunk.

Now, if it was Johnny Walker White vs. Black, then I'd say it signifies.

Bushmills is the better of the two, esp. if it's a single malt - runs about $40 - $80 depending on how long it's been aged.
Doing a price comparison for Johnnie Walker Red and Black - the Black label comes in aroudn $40 per bottle, and the Red come in around $26 per bottle. :) Bushmills is Irish, and Johnnie Walker is Scotch. :)

Bushmills is the better of the two, esp. if it's a single malt - runs about $40 - $80 depending on how long it's been aged.
Doing a price comparison for Johnnie Walker Red and Black - the Black label comes in aroudn $40 per bottle, and the Red come in around $26 per bottle.* :)* Bushmills is Irish, and* Johnnie Walker is Scotch.* :)

ANd they both cost more in OZ because they are imports.

I think y'all are too smart for me. :)

From working in bars, I know that Johnny Walker Black is the more popular of the 2, so is the color red a hint?

I am remembering the Sixth Sense. M. Night did an interview on the Sci Fi channel, and pointed out that whenever something bad was gonna happen, he used red. A red balloon, someone in a red shirt, ya know. I think that it may have some signifacance here also. Just a thought...

ANd they both cost more in OZ because they are imports. Well, those prices are US prices, but they are imports here as well! ;) A quick search on the 'net, and the prices are comparable - although the Aus. prices are obviously in Aus. dollars, and I didn't feel like doing the currency conversion.

* Well, those prices are US prices, but they are imports here as well!* ;)* A quick search on the 'net, and the prices are comparable - although the Aus. prices are obviously in Aus. dollars, and I didn't feel like doing the currency conversion.

Bess ;D johnny Walker isn't an import in the US. It's made in good old Lynchburg TN.
I am remembering the Sixth Sense. M. Night did an interview on the Sci Fi channel, and pointed out that whenever something bad was gonna happen, he used red. A red balloon, someone in a red shirt, ya know. I think that it may have some signifacance here also. Just a thought...

M. Night also uses the color Red in the Village. It's a bad color, it's supposed to attrack whatever lives outside their village.

Bess johnny Walker isn't an import in the US. It's made in good old Lynchburg TN.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Jack Daniels that's distilled in Tennessee. I've been to Lynchburg, and I don't think there's room in that town for more than one distillery. ;D

I knew there was something I came in here to post... :laugh:

I was able to read the names of the pharmacies on the pill bottles. One said Ideal Pharmacy and the other said Winn. I couldn't read the address on the Ideal Pharmacy bottle, but it was the empty one that said placebo. I looked up Winn and found Winn Dixie pharmacy and a military hospital. The military hospital was in Ft. Stewart, GA. The site had a slogan, "Caring for the Rock of the Marne." I thought that was interesting. Now, Winn Dixie isn't near as exciting, but, the store chain is only located in the southeastern U.S. It still takes us south. Christian took a little trip before he went to Oz?

Johnny Walker is distilled in Scotland, imported to the US. The have 4 labels Red, Black, Gold and Blue. Red is the most common, blue the rarest. And JW Red is the most popular whisky in the world.

All this comes from johnnywalker.com which is a well designed website.

Bushmills is the oldest licensed whisky distillery going back to 1608, under James I. Bushmills has a nice website too. The actually will mail you 3 personalized whisky labels that you can put on a bottle to give as a gift. I thought that was cool! Something to remember for my brother.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Jack Daniels that's distilled in Tennessee.* I've been to Lynchburg, and I don't think there's room in that town for more than one distillery.* *;D

My Bad ;D Shows you how much I drink. Jack Daniels and Johnny Walker. Going to sit in the corner.

I found something really interesting this evening. There is a personality profile of Winston Churchill in Cigar Afficianado that states that Johnny Walker Red was Churchill's favorite brand of Skotch Whiskey. Also the article says that Churchill smoked cigars, and detested cigarettes. Why would Churchill own a cigarette case then?

Churchill was, of course, quite particular about how he got his nicotine. Cigars were the only way. He disliked cigarettes very much. Once when his valet declined Churchill's offer to join him for a cigar, telling Churchill that he smoked only cigarettes, Churchill chuckled and said, "Too many of those will kill you."

Here's a link to the Winston Churchill article.* I can't believe this is an accident.* Churchill was so strongly identified with his cigar smoking, he would not even have received a cigarette case as a gift.*


http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Profiles/People_Profile/0,2540,5,00.html

I'm thinking this gives some weight to the argument that the lostaways were manipulated prior to ending up on the island.

Cheers!!! Lots of colors (and product placement opportunity)
From the book : Classic Blended Scotch - By Jim Murray :
(Page 185)...
In 1908 the Jame Johnnie Walker was patented and at first they marketed their three existing brands, Old High White Label, Special Red Label and Extra Special Black Label.
The cheaper White label fell by the wayside as Red and Black took off globally,.....
JOHNNIE WALKER BLUE LABEL: Created from the rarest, most expensive whiskies in the world, Blue Label is a celebrated masterpiece of blending - "a blend that cannot be beat". The palate is hugely flavourful with a rich peatiness, deep smoke and traces of spice, and dark chocolate. Each cork-stoppered bottle of this dark-gold whisky is individually numbered as a guarantee of its rare perfection.



JOHNNIE WALKER BLACK LABEL: The world's No 1 premium whisky. A 12-year-old blended from no fewer than 40 whiskies, its numerous claims include the International Wine and Spirit Award for the best blended Scotch in the world. 12 year old Cardhu provides a malty smoothness and slight fruitiness while 12 year old Caol Ila single malt delivers the rich and smoky lingering peat flavours that define the depth of the brand. It is hailed by whisky connoisseur Jim Murray as "the Savoy, the Everest of deluxe whiskies. There is not a blender outside Guinness UDV who would not give their right arm for the recipe of this supreme whisky".

JOHNNIE WALKER RED LABEL: This brand, identified by the familiar striding red-coated regency gentleman and introduced to bring Johnnie Walker to a fresh generation of drinkers at the turn of the 20th century, still tops the list as the world's favourite. Talisker single malt injects the distinctive smoke and spice palate balanced by sweet vanilla edges.

JOHNNIE WALKER GOLD LABEL: The 18-year-old of the Johnnie Walker family, was introduced to South Africa at the end of 1996. It is unique in that it is literally touched with gold. Clynelish, the rare malt whisky, which is at the heart of the Johnnie Walker Gold Label blend of 15 distinguished malts, derives its water from the Clynemilton Burn in which prospectors panned for gold in the 1980s and into which traces of gold still wash. Clynelish delivers the unusual aromatic creaminess of the blend with its rich and broad full malt flavours, honeyed spices with almonds and marzipan, while Cardhu gives it strong yet smooth malt and oak flavours.

JOHNNIE WALKER PURE MALT: Also nicknamed 'Green Label' - the newest - was launched in South Africa in 1998 and is made up of a selection of the best Highland malts, each matured for at least 15 years. Johnnie Walker Pure Malt is distinguished by a special mellowness, depth of flavour and many-faceted aroma with a swift and clean, yet lingering light toffee flavour finish.

JOHNNIE WALKER SWING: Blended from 35 whiskies - including a high proportion of the Speyside malts that characterise the Walker blends - Swing has a light, spicy palate hinting at dark fruit and caramel overtones. Created by Johnnie Walker's descendant; Alexander Walker II, during the golden age of sea travel, it has long been a favourite of the rich and famous. The unique decanter bottle was designed with a convex base, allowing it to swing rather than topple in turbulent seas.
( Swing is a different shaped bottle )

Great find shootfire

Churchill had received cigar cutters over the years as gifts and kept one of them, a cigar piercer, attached to his watch chain. But he did not use any of the cutters he owned on his cigars. He preferred to moisten the end of the cigar and poke a hole through it with one of the extra-long wooden matches he had specially imported in large cartons from Canada.
Could the Winston Churchill item we saw be a cigar cutter?* Note: watch and Canada

He not only frequently dropped ash on his clothes, but he also had a tendency to burn his clothing. "Sir Winston's suits," writes Howells, "were constantly going in for repair because of holes caused by cigar burns.
One of our lostaways had 4 burn holes in their shirt......Charlie?

He was a decorated soldier who saw action in four wars.* Note: 4

He was a Nobel prize-winning writer of history, an acclaimed novelist and a skilled polo player. He was an accomplished painter as well as a licensed craftsman. He was an epicure, a connoisseur of the finest wines and cigars and a consummate gentleman.
I wonder if our lostaways can fill all these categories?* Michael = artist* Locke = craftsman

He had written no less than four highly praised histories of three of the wars he had experienced: The Malakand Field Force, The River War, London to Ladysmith via Pretoria and Ian Hamilton's March. He also had written a novel called Savrola about a fictitious statesman and master orator.
Locke was a very masterful orator when he gave the speech about the trouble being out there!* Has anyone read any of his books?* Note: 4

After his "private rehearsal" in Cuba, Churchill was to perform most magnificently as a young soldier and reporter in three of England's colonial wars--first in India, next in the Sudan and finally in South Africa.
Note to self: read up on colonial wars.* These 3 countries might fit with Lost.* Nigeria is Northern Africa?

graduated from Sandhurst* What do we know about Sandhurst?

Less than 15 years after the war in South Africa, however, came the first fully modern war, "The Great War," "Armageddon"--the First World War. "The age of Peace had ended,"
Note: 15 and Armageddon

No less an authority than T.E. Lawrence, "Lawrence of Arabia," who as a scholar and translator of Latin and Greek was well acquainted with the greatest Western classics of military history, called The World Crisis "far and away the best war book I have yet read in any language." * Will T.E. Lawrence fit in anyway?

This led him in 1895 to Cuba, which was then attempting to rebel from the Spanish empire. Cuba was a place, he later wrote, "where real things were going on. Here was a scene of vital action. Here was a place where anything might happen. Here was a place where something would certainly happen. Here I might leave my bones." * Adam and Eve

And at Chartwell Manor, his country home in Kent, Churchill stocked between 3,000 and 4,000 cigars, mainly Cuban, in a room adjacent to his study.* Note: 4

The request was granted, and the next day Churchill was happily puffing away at 15,000 feet through a special hole in his oxygen mask. * Note: 15

Churchill typically smoked between eight and 10 cigars per day, although he did not constantly smoke his cigars but often allowed them to burn out so that he could chew on them instead. In this manner of consumption, the cigars often became mauled and frayed. To address this problem, Churchill devised what he called a "bellybando," which was a strip of brownish paper with a little glue on one end.* Locke made glue for the crib.* What does a bellybando look like?* Note: 8

The bellybandos also made it somewhat easier for Churchill to smoke so many cigars every day, because they limited direct contact with the tobacco and, therewith, Churchill's intake of nicotine. * Is nicotine a clue?*

Nicotine?" Churchill was, of course, quite particular about how he got his nicotine. Cigars were the only way. He disliked cigarettes very much. Once when his valet declined Churchill's offer to join him for a cigar, telling Churchill that he smoked only cigarettes, Churchill chuckled and said, "Too many of those will kill you." * Have they invented a nicotine weapon?* *::)

The English historians Edward Gibbon and Thomas Babington Macaulay were easily his favorite writers and arguably those to whom Churchill's own rhetorical style is most indebted. In describing his 800-page epic, The River War, for example, Churchill wrote, "I affected a combination of the styles of Macaulay and Gibbon...and I stuck in a bit of my own from time to time." * Note: Edward and Thomas

Churchill escaped from prison* Is there hope for our lostaways?

Churchill often dined with friends, dignitaries and celebrities from Europe and America. T.E. Lawrence was a regular luncheon guest until his untimely death in 1935. Albert Einstein visited Chartwell. And Charlie Chaplin dined there, as well. Churchill was notorious for dominating conversations in even the most illustrious of company. As Prime Minister Herbert Henry Asquith once said of Churchill, "His conversation...is apt to degenerate into a monologue." * Albert Einstein worked on the Philadelphia Project.

Churchill loved Champagne, and it always accompanied lunch and dinner at Chartwell. He also enjoyed Port, claret, Scotch and brandy. His favorite Champagne was Pol Roger, his favorite Scotch, Johnnie Walker Red Label, and his favorite brandy, Hine.* Antony Cooper drinks Scotch, Charlie and the junkie had a bottle of champagne in their room?, and Christian had a bottle of Johnnie Walker Red Label in his hotel room.

I felt as if I had been walking with destiny and that all my past life had been but a preparation for this hour and for this trial." He added, "I was sure I should not fail." * *Locke = destiny

I will bet you a Monkey to a Mousetrap that the Russians are still fighting and fighting victoriously, two years from now.'" "Monkey" and "Mousetrap" were gambling terms.
Locke was showing the little boy the game of Mousetrap.

And he devoted his energies to seeking a "summit" (he coined the term) and an understanding with the Soviets.
What are other notable summits?

Just catching up now ... I see BrerMatt corrected Sam G. So I don't have to. (settles back and enjoys being right) ;)

I remember Johhny Walker Blue from an episode of the West Wing...Leo fell off the wagon when the people he was with opened a bottle.

They said it aged for 60 years!

I found something really interesting this evening.* There is a personality profile of Winston Churchill in Cigar Afficianado that states that Johnny Walker Red was Churchill's favorite brand of Skotch Whiskey.* Also the article says that Churchill smoked cigars, and detested cigarettes.* Why would Churchill own a cigarette case then?



http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=238&pos=342

Hum. Sounds like some more information was given to us.

Sam G, is it an emblem on the item or is it a Scarab?

WIF, it's a lion. Interestingly, the only cigarette case I have been able to find online that was in any way related to Churchill, was a an art deco design. It wasn't anything near as fancy as the one in the cap. The only reason it is connected to Churchill is that he signed it, along with a lot of other members of the League of Nations. It belonged to someone else entirely.

Sam G, is it an emblem on the item or is it a Scarab?


The HD capture is Haomecoming part 2 photo 150336. I've been looking around Lucy's to see if there was anything that might tie in and I haven't found anything. I also looked at Mr. Paik's office and the only thing he has is a box on his desk.

The HD capture is Haomecoming part 2 photo 150336. I've been looking around Lucy's to see if there was anything that might tie in and I haven't found anything. I also looked at Mr. Paik's office and the only thing he has is a box on his desk.


You gotta know that there is something interesting in that box. Will we see it in a future flashback?

Actually SG, do you think we will continue to get flashbacks, or will the show eventually only take place on the island? I'm hoping they continue with them, myself.

Could it be a cigar box on the desk?

Could it be a cigar box on the desk?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=289&pos=17

i guess it could hold cigars.

It looks like a treasure chest.

Did you notice the chess board behind Jin? I wonder if Naugty Paws, adds games from flashbacks too?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=289&pos=5

What's playing on the flatscreen TV's it looks like a picture of the earth.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=289&pos=20 i don't know if it's a chess board but it has losts of pieces

In the first pik, it could be the earth, but it looks oval, but that could be shadows. My daughter noticed what looks like lightning bolts on the right hand side. I'm curious about what's on the left top.

It reminds me of that pik of a flying ship? Why I don't know, it just does.

Your right SG, it doesn't look like chess when you see that pik, cuz where are the opposing pieces. They do have similar shapes to chess pieces though. Off to look up Korean games.

The only game that is taken seriously in Korea is Go, which has a television station dedicated to it, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Korean Chess and Poker are also popular with the older set, but they look down upon playing most other board games as a frivolous hobby.

The game "Go" with black and white stones.* In North America it is called Othello - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game)*

Chinese chess* http://ca.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=chinese+chess&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-msgr&fl=0&x=wrt

Korean chess* http://ca.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Korean+chess&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-msgr&fl=0&x=wrt

Neither Chinese nor Korean chess looks like regular chess games, soooo* my theory is, that it is a chess board, but with only one side set up.* I'm guessing this signifies Jin is no match for Mr. Paik?

Another thing I noticed is they put their game pieces in a box.* They didn't look quite like the one on his desk, but it could be holding the opponent pieces?

I own Othello!!!

that is a chess board behind Jin with only half set up.
it's clear glass, one side frosted, one side translucent.
we have one ;)

as far as the tv screen, looks like an island, with the top blown up and magnified. it looks like aqua blue water on the bottm. it is odd though. abstract...

k.* for the tv screens.

i looked again, and as they are on the screen, the planet looking thing is spinning on what seems to be an axis perpendicular to the line you called lightning bolts, WIF.* it's like it's a microcosm of our island.* the island is spinning on the cable sayid found.* it's as if the screen is someone's own view from a far off shore.* you can even see sand, sky, clouds.
i dont know what the other thing in the upper left corner is.* our plane 815 crashing towards it?
what do you think?

Go only bears a limited similarity to Othello/Reversi. In Othello, you turn a piece by placing two pieces on either side. If O is white and X is black then it would look like this:

OXO would then become OOO
OXXXXXO would become OOOOOOO

In Go, it's a lot more complicated, and thus strategy is very important. In Go to "capture" a piece or chain, you must surround it:

O
OXO
O

When a piece is surrounded, it doesn't change to your color, it is removed from the board, meaning that empty space could be used again. In Othello, the pieces don't come off the board, they just change color.

The strategies from The Art of War can be applied to Go rather well. I would like to learn, but it's not very popular in the States.

I once read a book called Limbo System in which Go played a minor role in it and I was interested in it from then.

Guys...where are we? * :o * :lol2:

I saw those pictures in Paik's office last night, but after the last time I saw a crazy picture, I was afraid to say anything. * :lol2: *I do think it could mean that the island is a microcosm of the earth. *The Dark Territory, IMHO, is in top running for Africa. *I believe that is a glass chess set, NP. *I have one of those too. *I hadn't guessed at the symbolism though. *Nice!

About that treasure box, I've been seeing treasure boxes in several places. *There seem to be a lot of birds on the walls too. *There was one at Christian's and at Heatherton's. *I've been too long absent from this conversation. * :) *I was going through hd pictures from Homecoming. *I didn't find much more than Sam G. *I'm waiting for another section to download though. *I'm thinking that the scenes before he heads off for the meeting will reveal more because it's daytime.

well we do know in HC that the dinner with Lucy's dad takes place 2 yrs before the crash (3 MAXimum)

At the hd site/Homecoming there is a sample cap of the meeting with Charlie standing at the copier. Over his shoulder you can see where he was sitting. His briefcase is sitting on the conference room table. There is something shiny sitting on a notebook or something. Is that a pocketwatch?

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

WIF, it's a lion.* i dont think so. it's a design. look carefully when Lucy is talking about how nice he looks in the suit. he looks at it, you can get a clear shot there.
i dont know what the emblem thing is. a flag?

Is that a pocketwatch?

yep!* a stopwatch pocket watch!* for timing the printer.* ;)

AND he's presenting to 4 people

i dont think so. it's a design. look carefully when Lucy is talking about how nice he looks in the suit. he looks at it, you can get a clear shot there.
i dont know what the emblem thing is. a flag?

NP, I can see it very clearly. It's a lion on a shield. There are ribbons coming out from the shield, red white and blue. It's very British.

oh.
okay.* when i look at it, i dont see a lion.* maybe it's the lighting.* the pic* you posted looks like a lion, but in the episode by the mirror and door, it doesn't.
wish i had a SC to show you which part i mean* :-\
ohhhh i see it now, it's a full lion standing and on the side.* i thought* you meant a head
i apologize!!

Another thing I thought was neat about the Churchill article, it said that while he was in Cuba Churchill subsisted on cigars and oranges. It's kind of a neat tie-in with the show. :lol2:

Good catch, how did I miss the most obvious comparison in the whole article. I'm looking so hard for the unusual, that the obvious is escaping me. ;)

One of Christian's prescriptions was filled on 09/08/04 at Winn Pharmacy. I noticed something odd about the label too. Most pharmacies have their address printed on the labels. This one didn't seem to have an address. It makes me lean toward Winn Pharmacy being military, and not necessarily bound by the legalities a private sector pharmacy has to follow.

Unless there is a Winn Pharmacy in Australia, I'd say he wasn't in OZ for as long as some have speculated. So, how long was he there? Sawyer said he spoke to Christian about a week before the crash. He had an altercation in the hotel bar 3 days before Jack got there. We have no information about what he may have been up to prior to that.

Did he have his prescription filled at Winn Army Community Hospital? It's in Ft. Stewart, GA. Was Christian ex-military? With all of his talk about leadership, I think it probably makes sense that he was. That said, Winn Army Community Hospital serves the 3rd Infantry Division. The 3rd ID was well known for their activities in Korea during the war. Is this a possible connection between Christian and Jin/Sun.

One of Christian's prescriptions was filled on 09/08/04 at Winn Pharmacy.* I noticed something odd about the label too.* Most pharmacies have their address printed on the labels.* This one didn't seem to have an address.* It makes me lean toward Winn Pharmacy being military, and not necessarily bound by the legalities a private sector pharmacy has to follow.

Unless there is a Winn Pharmacy in Australia, I'd say he wasn't in OZ for as long as some have speculated.* So, how long was he there?* Sawyer said he spoke to Christian about a week before the crash.* He had an altercation in the hotel bar 3 days before Jack got there.* We have no information about what he may have been up to prior to that.*

Did he have his prescription filled at Winn Army Community Hospital?* It's in Ft. Stewart, GA.* Was Christian ex-military?* With all of his talk about leadership, I think it probably makes sense that he was.* That said, Winn Army Community Hospital serves the 3rd Infantry Division.* The 3rd ID was well known for their activities in Korea during the war.* Is this a possible connection between Christian and Jin/Sun.


JACK: What? He hasn't talked to me in two months, mom.

MARGO: You haven't talked to him in two months.

JACK: He doesn't want me to bring him back. Trust me. Let one of his friends.

MARGO: He doesn't have friends anymore. Why do you think that is?

(Jack doesn't say anything.)

MARGO: He was right about you.

JACK: Right about what?

MARGO: You don't understand the pressure that he's under.

JACK: (interrupts) I understand pressure.

MARGO: Jack, please, you know how he gets. He doesn't -- he won't take care of
himself. You have to go after him.

JACK: (shakes his head) I'm sorry. I can't.

MARGO: "I can't"? You don't get to say, "I can't". Not after what you did.

(Jack swallows.)

MARGO: Bring your father home, Jack.

JACK: Where is he?

MARGO: Australia.


Ok, Christian could have been gone for as long as 2 months. It also seems like he has done this before.

Winn Pharmacy made me think of Winn-Dixie. ;D But, the Army connection is much more interesting, and I believe correct.

Winn Pharmacy made me think of Winn-Dixie. But, the Army connection is much more interesting, and I believe correct.

I thought about that too Bess, but Winn-Dixie stores are also in the south. Either way, I don't think Christian went straight from LA to OZ.

they could have been shipped to him

So did Christian take these trips often and wind up in random places like London or Katmandu...or did he go to Australia on a regular basis?

they could have been shipped to him

They could have coupons, but why from Winn? Aren't there military hospitals far closer to CA than Winn?

MARGO: Jack, please, you know how he gets. He doesn't -- he won't take care of
himself. You have to go after him.

It sounds to me like Christian is a binge drinker. He wouldn't have to end up in London or Katmandu. He could be in a seedy hotel in the wrong part of LA. She could only be referring to his not taking care of himself while he's on a bender.

but if he were taking something for a condition he didn't want know. He might have a good friend there at Winn.
Shoot you are great at finding these little tidbits
I finally saw the dog to which you refered

but if he were taking something for a condition he didn't want know. He might have a good friend there at Winn.

True, that's kind of what I'm thinking. He might have a doctor friend at Winn that he served with in the military. If he has no friends left in LA, perhaps he went there to find his old friend. The time window is also pretty narrow if he had them shipped. We know he was in OZ by at least Sept. 15th. The scrip was filled on the 8th. How long would it take your pharmacy to ship one? He probably couldn't have gotten it in LA until around the 11th, and that would be really fast. If he hadn't been gone longer than a week or so, I hardly see why Margo would have been so worried. Hmmm...

unless Margo is not worried - and said what she did to get Jack down there for whatever reason.

You know how we connected Kalgoorie, to the Calgary Stampede in Alberta Canada, when I read the post about Winn pharmacy, I thought of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Was there not another name on the bottles to investigate?

The bottle marked placebo came from Ideal Pharmacy.

Bizarre, look what I found when I typed in
Winnipeg + ideal* =* http://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=slv1-msgr&p=winnipeg+ideal* * LAMPS!!!!!

IDEAL DRUG STORE
United States,
LA,
FRANKLINTON.

IDEAL DRUG STORE
United States,
AL,
TUSCUMBIA.

IDEAL DRUG STORE, INC.
United States,
LA,
DERIDDER.

IDEAL DRUGS
United States,
NV,
SPARKS.

IDEAL DRUGS
United States,
NY,
FAR ROCKAWAY.

IDEAL PHARMACY
United States,
GA,
LYONS.

IDEAL PHARMACY
United States,
FL,
HIALEAH.

IDEAL PHARMACY
United States,
NY,
BROOKLYN.

IDEAL RX PHARMACY
United States,
FL,
MIAMI.

IDEAL UNITED DRUGS
United States,
CA,
LOS ANGELES.

Winn Pharmacy
149 Wilson Rd.
Natchez, MS 39120
(601) 442-4527

i dont think Christian was in the military. i think it's silly to say that just because his bottle said "winn", now he was in the military. i dunno, just such a far reach i guess.
he was a surgeon, and Jack's younger FB leads us to believe he was a surgeon for a long time in the same place (mark silverman was around for a long time). yeah, that doesn't mean mark lived in the same place as Jack, but it's more likely since they stayed BFF for all that time. we dont have any evidence that he was in the military, i think it's a straw grasp, sorry :-\

i also don't think they'd have put up with his attitude :lol2:

he was a surgeon

They have surgeons in the military. ;)

i think it's silly to say that just because his bottle said "winn", now he was in the military.

Did I phrase it poorly? I meant that he could have been in the military. I think it's at least possible. There just aren't that many Winn Pharmacies. It's not like it's a chain or something. Have you seen Winn Dixie's logo? It's red. This logo is blue. The 3rd ID, which is a division Winn serves, wears a patch that is blue with white stripes. Winn's motto is "Caring for the Rock of the Marne." The Rock of the Marne is a referrence to the 3rd ID.

I really don't think it's supposed to be Winn Dixie, but I suppose it's possible. At the very least, I think he has a friend in the military. BTW, I don't think military pharmacies fill precriptions for just anyone. I think you would have to show some kind of military ID. Maybe there is someone military out there that can clarify? My dad is a veteran, and when I was his dependant I could do a lot of things on post that I can't do now. I don't have a military dependant's ID. It also is not beyond the realm of possibility that Christian was in the reserves. My father served in the National Guard for many, many years post Korea, and had a career as an ecologist at the same time. There are many ways to serve that are not always obvious.

Jack's younger FB leads us to believe he was a surgeon for a long time in the same place

That doesn't mean Christian couldn't have been in the military before Jack was born. He could also be in the reserves.

i also don't think they'd have put up with his attitude
Perhaps his attitude was different when he was younger. Some people don't mellow with age. They just get more rigid. :)

I'm not saying it's definite that Christian was military, but I think it's quite possible.

I think Christians attitude seemed very military. He talked to his 10 year old son like he was a soldier and not a son. How old would we guess Christian and Jack to be? Then we can figure out how old Christian would have been when Jack was born, to see if there was enough time to be in the military before he started a family?

Interesting discussion - I don't think it's far fetched to think that Christian was in the military - perhaps the Army even helped pay for his education - He could have even volunteered later in life to serve as a surgeon during the Gulf War in 1991 - which if that's the case, would make a connection between him and Sayid. For the record - this is all conjecture, and not fact! ;D

Thinking about how old Christian was, he probably was old enough to be drafted for Viet Nam. He could have just gotten out of Med School. It's not like he would have had much of a choice.

I like the idea of Christian having gone through medical training in the military.* It would not only explain the pharmacy label, and connect him to theories that some have about the lost characters father's having been in the military, perhaps together, but also it would help explain another level of Christian's resentment towards his son.* By virtue of Jack's father's success it was probably easier for him to get into school, afford it, etc, where as Christian would have had to put in his dues.* He'd feel the need to remind him of that often, and even more if Jack's talent just came to him, again, where Christian probably felt his was earned.* He'd feel the need to make his son feel as wretched about the people he helped as he did.

Having an indifferent and callous attitude towards your fellow man could be beneficial in the military...

I like the idea of Christian having gone through medical training in the military.* It would not only explain the pharmacy label, and connect him to theories that some have about the lost characters father's having been in the military, perhaps together, but also it would help explain another level of Christian's resentment towards his son.* By virtue of Jack's father's success it was probably easier for him to get into school, afford it, etc, where as Christian would have had to put in his dues.* He'd feel the need to remind him of that often, and even more if Jack's talent just came to him, again, where Christian probably felt his was earned.* He'd feel the need to make his son feel as wretched about the people he helped as he did.

Having an indifferent and callous attitude towards your fellow man could be beneficial in the military...


I like the part about Christian resenting things coming easy to Jack. Christian admits that Jack is a better doctor than him. He probably unconciously acted on that, and treated Jack badly thinking he was making him into a man.

He probably unconciously acted on that, and treated Jack badly thinking he was making him into a man.


Or just trying to justify it that way. Surely, he knew his treatment of Jack was wrong.

Hey, just wondering...what is a geiger counter? Totally no clue, this could be my "learn something new everyday" moment...:)

Hey, just wondering...what is a geiger counter?

Welcome hskr_n_hi!

Think of it like a metal detector, only it detects radiation.

Or just trying to justify it that way.* Surely, he knew his treatment of Jack was wrong

Could be. But part of me thinks Christian thinks he is helping Jack by being so cruel. *Preparing him for life and also for medicine. *People get sick, and sometimes they die, and you have to accept that there are things you can't control. *I feel that Christian's alcoholism is probably caused by his idealist nature having been beaten down by the death and misery he saw and how he was helpless in the face of it. *Maybe in a war or battle type situation, think "Do No Harm" * The high from saving a life wasn't as great as the pain from being disappointed that he couldn't control something, save someone. *After years of resignation he felt it his responsibility to protect his son from idealization of what they did.* Trying to help his son not become him.

Could be. But part of me thinks Christian thinks he is helping Jack by being so cruel. Preparing him for life and also for medicine. People get sick, and sometimes they die, and you have to accept that there are things you can't control. I feel that Christian's alcoholism is probably caused by his idealist nature having been beaten down by the death and misery he saw and how he was helpless in the face of it. Maybe in a war or battle type situation, think "Do No Harm" The high from saving a life wasn't as great as the pain from being disappointed that he couldn't control something, save someone. After years of resignation he felt it his responsibility to protect his son from idealization of what they did. Trying to help his son not become him.

You make a lot of sense. Good thoughts.

Welcome hskr_n_hi!

Think of it like a metal detector, only it detects radiation.

Thanks...hmmm...I take it that's not something that just everybody has lying around, huh? :)

You make a lot of sense.* Good thoughts.

Thanks shoot, I'm trying not to project too much!* My father was a doctor in the military, and while not an alcoholic, certainly suffers from obsessive behavior, and definitely a little too 'practical', to put it nicely.

Dr. Shepard
I know I have been hard on you, but that is how you make a soft metal into steel. That is why you are the most gifted young surgeon in this city. And this, this is a career that is all about the greater good. I've had to sacrifice certain aspects of my relationship with you so that hundreds and thousands of patients will live because of your extraordinary skills. I know it's a long time coming. What happened yesterday, I promise you, will never happen again. And after all, what I've given. . . This is not just about my career, Jack. It's my life.


he knew it damn well. i think he was a bast*rd. the above admission was not only fake, but a ploy just to get him to sign the papers, hence the hand on shoulder.

In the end, obviously, as he was dieing, he knew he had been a jerk. That is what the conversation with Sawyer is about. It just would seem more likely, imo, that he wasn't all that much different from how his son is now, and that something changed to make him hard. And that the same empathy that he had that led him to the medical profession, led to his dealing with his son and wanting to prepare him. I just don't think he was consciously being cruel for cruelty's sake, originally. That's all. It's just an idea about Christian.

I was looking at Emily Locke's admission papers http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=106
and they have a pharmacy listed on the bottom Skadden. I couldn't find the name as a pharmacy but part of a law firm and
http://www.winn-dixie.com/company/reorganization/releases/022105.asp their name was listed in a Winn-Dixie case.

Okay, that is odd! Winn Dixies are only found in the southern states. So...is Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute located somewhere in the south? Perhaps Florida?

Shootfire,
http://www.livejournal.com/community/cap_it/1172887.html* part 3

more pictures for you to look at* 190342 mask, 190349 in the second arch in the hallway is that a coat-of-arms?190355, 190358, 190359

you may have already look at these they are Anthony Cooper's

Part 4 190504 Anthony Cooper is in a wheel chair 190507 you can read his monitor

190520 great preist mummy

Hah! Sam G. I think it is. I see a definite shield in the center. I think there are two other symbols to either side of it. Maybe one is a lion? I only see outlines so it's hard to tell. Could it be a piece of stone carving from an old castle? It definitely looks like stone to me.

Sam G I was looking at Emily Locke's admission papers* http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=106
and they have a pharmacy listed on the bottom Skadden. I couldn't find the name as a pharmacy but part of a law firm and
http://www.winn-dixie.com/company/reorganization/releases/022105.asp their name was listed in a Winn-Dixie case.

Skadden won the global int'l law firm award and they have offices in Aust., Can, etc.* *Susan worked for an int'l firm, could be this one?

Skadden has merged with PacificCare Health.* This would eliminate the east coast, and we're back in L.A. for Christian.

DId you notice in that screencap that under "Self-admit" , there is no discharge date. I wonder if you admit yourself if you don;t need to get discharged or did she escape from the hospital?

ALso, interesting that she admitted herself- why? DOes anyone know if this is the same hospital that hurley visited?

DId you notice in that screencap that under "Self-admit" , there is no discharge date.* I wonder if you admit yourself if you don;t need to get discharged or did she escape from the hospital?

ALso, interesting that she admitted herself- why?* DOes anyone know if this is the same hospital that hurley visited?


Yes, it is Santa Rosa

DId you notice in that screencap that under "Self-admit" , there is no discharge date.

She may have gotten passes from the facility from time to time and still been a patient. *She isn't supposed to be dangerous or violent. *

DOes anyone know if this is the same hospital that hurley visited?

I believe the doctor that Hurley spoke to when he went to see Lenny had Santa Rosa on his labcoat.

Skadden has merged with PacificCare Health. *This would eliminate the east coast, and we're back in L.A. for Christian.

I'm not sure about that yet WIF. * Skadden was listed as Emily's pharmacy 10 or more years ago. *How many times has Winn Dixie gone through restructuring? *Something's not sitting right...

http://www.jacksonvillestory.com/Picture%20of%20Supermarket,%20Davis%20Family.htm

Santa Rosa is on Hurley's visitor badge.

LOL* *I thought Winn-Dixie was a reference to something military, not a grocery store chain.* *:lol2:

shootfire, I noticed one of their facilities in the states closed down and I'm wondering now if it's a clue.

Going hunting.

Skadden is everywhere and I didn't research the PacificCare Health.* It could just be their newest acquisition or the name doesn't reflect the area it serves?

Ooops - Skadden is representing PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. in its acquisition by UnitedHealth Group Incorporated. The deal is reportedly valued at $8.1 billion

Their a law firm representing PacifiCare Health.

The firm endorsed and financially supported John Kerry in his campaign to become president of the United States in 2004.

Just interesting trivia - Skadden, Arps is representing America West Holdings Corporation in its recently announced merger with US Airways Group, Inc. The merger, once approved, will create the nation's first full-service low-fare carrier and fifth-largest airline.

All of the 1,300 attorneys at Skadden, Arps are potential road warriors and when they travel to any of the firm's twenty-three sites they want to be able to login to the network without any difficulty.

Santa Rosa is on Hurley's visitor badge.

That's right. I knew I had seen it. It has just been a long time.


LOL I thought Winn-Dixie was a reference to something military, not a grocery store chain

Winn-Dixie is a supermarket chain that has it's own pharmacy dept. The stores can be found in the southeastern U.S. and the Bahamas I believe. I can't find any indication of a problem with Winn-Dixie in the 90s online. I do know that Winn-Dixie also owned the Piggly Wiggly chain. I'm know our local Piggly Wiggly closed in 1992 or 1993, which was pretty near the time we got a Walmart Superstore. I don't think it was a large-scale problem at that time though. Superstores were just in their beginning phases then I think.

The other problem I have with Christian's scrip having a Winn Dixie label is there is no circle with a check mark after Winn. It says Winn Pharmacy. It could fall under the heading of not wanting to get involved in copyright/trademark infringement. I'm sure that's why the "Bushmills" in Christian's drawer says Rushmills. Still, they kept the same colors for the label, making it recognizable. Hmm...

Bear with me on this thought. I think it's out there.

When I read about Piggly Wiggly going bye-bye and being replaced by Walmart's = BIG BOX stores.

I was in a union and received booklets monthly. In one there was a write up on big box stores taking over all the mom and pop stores and actually hurting the neighborhoods they come into.

This is where it gets wierd. I have read a ton on The New World Order and related topics and when you mentioned Walmart the thought popped in my head that Big Box stores could be a part of their master plan of making everything global and controlled by them. There are int'l banking services already being provided, with the goal of controlling all the ATM's. Big Brother can watch us through our money. I will stop there. :-[

Santa Rosa is on Hurley's visitor badge.


Maybe she knew Lenny, knew about the numbers through Locke's Dad, or maybe Locke's dad payed her to go in there to get access to Lenny.


You all have discovered Interesting stuff about Winn-DIxey.

Bear with me on this thought. I think it's out there.

I can't say much about your way-out theory WIF. Everytime I look at design and art in these pictures I see signs of Colonialism. What does that tell you? :lol2:

I found a reference to a Skadden Pharmacy.* It was used in CSI.*

http://www.crimelab.nl/transcripts.php?series=1&season=2&episode=1

[* close up of empty pill container from SKADDEN'S PHARMACY (78566 Ambers
Ave...). From what we can see of the prescription label, it says:
(Name) Tony Braun

Apparently CSI has used this name more than once with different addresses.


Hmm...here's a link to a book about Skadden at Amazon.com.* I've been reading an excerpt.* It looks really interesting. Skadden: Power, Money, and the Rise of a Legal Empire

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0374524246/ref=pd_sxp_f/002-2224180-0364020

I can't say much about your way-out theory WIF.* Everytime I look at design and art in these pictures I see signs of Colonialism.* What does that tell you?* *:lol2:
"That the sun never sets................. on the British Empire"

If good old 'Kate ' spent 2 summers crewing on J boats why didn't she help Michael originally with the raft? I guess the answer to be because she didn't at that time think it useful to herself

Either that or she didn't have the idea to use Joanna's passport yet, or she never did spend 2 summers on J boats.

"That the sun never sets................. on the British Empire"

:lol2: If it were only British Colonial involved, perhaps I could let it go at that. The thing is, it's not just Britain. Mozambique was colonized by Portugal, and the Portugese were extremely involved in the slave trade. Korea was colonized by Japan, and Korean art of that period has a lot of heavy-handed Japanese influence. Indonesia/Bali was colonized by the Dutch. I'm not sure where I'm headed with all this. When I get a little better understanding, rather than just a sense of it, I'll start a new thread.

:lol2:* If it were only British Colonial involved, perhaps I could let it go at that.* The thing is, it's not just Britain.* Mozambique was colonized by Portugal, and the Portugese were extremely involved in the slave trade.* Korea was colonized by Japan, and Korean art of that period has a lot of heavy-handed Japanese influence.* Indonesia/Bali was colonized by the Dutch.* I'm not sure where I'm headed with all this.* When I get a little better understanding, rather than just a sense of it, I'll start a new thread.


Just to add to your thoughts. I have the feeling all these places that were colonized 200 years ago are still being controlled by the original Pirates that stole it from the locals?

This thought has been with me since I read how France still has a lot of control over French Polynesia.

Either that or she didn't have the idea to use Joanna's passport yet, or she never did spend 2 summers on J boats.

Maybe she was overconfident that she would be able to oust someone else for a seat?

She is a little too confident for someone who keeps getting caught...

On the colonization tip, could the signs be forshadowing of our own (collective) impending colonization?

I just read in the Dark Continent Connection thread, that Cooper, Mr. Paik and someone else? are collectors of colonial stuff. They are checking screencaps of livingrooms etc. and finding lots of connections.

Just to add to your thoughts. I have the feeling all these places that were colonized 200 years ago are still being controlled by the original Pirates that stole it from the locals?

This thought has been with me since I read how France still has a lot of control over French Polynesia.


Well i don't want to be rude, but this last sentence does not make sense :)
French Polynesia is a French State ("Departement" as we say in French)

Your sentence means exactly the same thing as if you said : "This thought has been with me since I read how the USA still have a lot of control over Hawaii" :)

French polynesia is a French "Departement" ( = state) just the same as Hawaii, or California (and the rest of the 50 states) are states of the USA

Your sentence means exactly the same thing as if you said : "This thought has been with me since I read how the USA still have a lot of control over Hawaii"

French polynesia is a French "Departement" ( = state) just the same as Hawaii, or California (and the rest of the 50 states) are states of the USA


If French Polynesia votes in French national elections, then yes, it is the same. In all fairness, I think Puerto Rico would be a better comparison. Whether they do or do not, I'm sure that French Polynesians do not suffer the same conditions that prevailed in colonies of the bygone Colonial period. I'm sure WIF did not mean to offend.

Great stuff here!* thinking about Skadden, and various discussions of huge companies, like Halliburton etc. that have occured on various threads. It seems everything could lead to some huge super firm/corporation.

Some info on Skadden etc. http://www.hoovers.com/skadden,-arps/--ID__41499--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml

This link has info on each individual office and attys : http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1110081_1?noconfirm=0&channel=LP

Check out the Sydney, Australia office : http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2026228_1?noconfirm=0&channel=LP
Hmm...I wonder if Susan worked for Skadden?*

Here's their website : http://www.skadden.com/Index.cfm?contentID=5

Well i don't want to be rude, but this last sentence does not make sense :)
French Polynesia is a French State ("Departement" as we say in French)

Your sentence means exactly the same thing as if you said : "This thought has been with me since I read how the USA still have a lot of control over Hawaii" :)

French polynesia is a French "Departement" ( = state)* just the same as Hawaii, or California (and the rest of the 50 states) are states of the USA


Your right it does not make sense, cuz I didn't explain what I had read about it, or mention that it lead me to other sites and situations.* It was the beginning of a lot of discoveries, but I was just throwing out the thought that came to mind when I connected things I'd read on 2 different threads. I'm going to go back and find what peaked my attention. What comes to mind is the Polynesians were led to believe they were going to regain more control of their homeland, and were duped. Sorry Prof., I'll do my homework. ;)

I find when we throw out the thoughts that come to mind when we read someones posts, crazy connections are made.

Thanks shootfire* *:smile:* I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone.* I heard an actor say recently that he had a history with the director/other actor* ???* and they could get to more interesting places faster than if he was performing with strangers.* I think some of us have found this shortcut and we are getting to more interesting places.* 8)

There were none offense taken whatsoever, and yes shootfire, they vote, in fact they even have their own government which renders it very similar to a federal state of the US.
But the subject is a bit touchy, with lots of activism for independance, but somehow the situation of French Polynesia vs French mainland is quite similar ro what's happening in Ireland vs UK or even Quebec vs Canada

The islands of French Polynesia were attached to France in about the same manner as Hawaii was annexed to the USA in 1900
You may find some info on the situation in French Polynesia on the Internet, but somehow, be careful of activist sites, actually it would be like finding a website of the Hawaiin natives asking to overthrow the Federal Government of Hawaii

But as i said, the subject is touchy, but on the mainland we consider French Polynesia just about the same as the US considers their "far away" territories, such as Hawaii and Alaska

Well nevermind, i was just trying to point out that your sentence was a bit "odd" even though you could still find many polynesian activists that would agree with it
Touchy and controversial subject indeed

edited :
And yes, steps were taken forward to give some independance back to the "natives", actually they have their own government which is an even more "independant" situation than the situation of each of the French Départements (states) - France is not a Federal country, there is a central government in Paris, but no Governors or local government in each Département.
Still some refuse that local polynesian government. Just as some irakis refuse the government that was instated there after Hussein was ousted
Well enough said :)

Moving right along... ;)

Anyone recognize this label?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/sawyersbottle.jpg

looks like a kangaroo on this label

I ried to enhance the label in photoshop, but it's just not clear enough.

Moving right along...* ;)

Anyone recognize this label?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/sawyersbottle.jpg

That would be the Kangaroo in the bottle that Sawyer shared with Christian. Not sure if it is a real brand.
I just read in the Dark Continent Connection thread, that Cooper, Mr. Paik and someone else? are collectors of colonial stuff. They are checking screencaps of livingrooms etc. and finding lots of connections.
The people that we are looking at as collector's are Annthony Cooper, Lucy"s father (she said he was a collector) and possibly Mr. Paik.

Moving right along...* ;)

Anyone recognize this label?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/sawyersbottle.jpg


I had my daughter look at the pik, and she said she sees the letters "Lauren" on the bottle ???

I discovered a magnifying program on my computer for people with poor eyesight, and it is too fuzzy to see anything.

It looks like a duck to me and it looks like it says either "Nancy" or "Ducky" ???

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=255&pos=634
J. Darby, I think is the brand.

I typed in j darby alcohol and found The Darby report about alcoholism and it's affects in New South Wales, AUSTRALIA !!

http://www.geocities.com/proudofthetruth/DarbyReport285/
We have to turn our attention to the economic disintegration and social dysfunction occurring in country NSW. There is a culture of violence and despair arising in regional NSW which should be a concern of us all. If I asked anyone in this room where the highest rates of AVOs for domestic violence were located – you would most likely say somewhere in Sydney.

The fact is – it’s not in Sydney. Most country regions of NSW have higher rates of AVOs than the worst areas of Sydney. Last year, 10 out of the 12 country regions had AVO rates higher than the worst rates in Sydney. In one area of NSW – the Far West region – the AVO rate is three times the State average and almost 13 times worst than the best area in the State.

“What we're facing now is an epidemic. An epidemic of grog and drug addiction. It's like a whirlwind in the communities. It sucks in everyone. Even kids from stable families. We're talking about a social contagion. It's spreading all the time and dragging in more and more recruits."

The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged: and those who are in the shadow of life, the sick, the needy and the disabled. This is the test that in Opposition, and in Government, I am happy and willing to face. It is the test I expect each and every one of you to use in judging me, and in judging a future Coalition Government.


Could this be a clue to alcoholism in all the lostaways families?

CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD: And right now ... he thinks that I hate him. He thinks I
feel betrayed by him. But what I really feel ... is gratitude and pride because
of what he did to me. What he did for me. It took more courage than I have.
Hmm. There's a pay phone over here. I could pick it up, and I could call my
son. I could tell him about all of this. I could tell him that I love him.
One simple phone call, and I could fix everything.

I wonder what the all of this means? is it just the "what I really feel ... is gratitude and pride because of what he did to me. What he did for me." or is there more? Like why he's in Australia to begin with?

CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD: And right now ... he thinks that I hate him. He thinks I
feel betrayed by him. But what I really feel ... is gratitude and pride because
of what he did to me. What he did for me. It took more courage than I have.
Hmm. There's a pay phone over here. I could pick it up, and I could call my
son. I could tell him about all of this. I could tell him that I love him.
One simple phone call, and I could fix everything.

I wonder what the all of this means? is it just the "what I really feel ... is gratitude and pride because of what he did to me. What he did for me." or is there more? Like why he's in Australia to begin with? It's the set up to egg him on. pick up the phone = pick up the gun. I lack the courage = do you have it? I could tell him that I love him =Sawyer can't tell his folks but in his mind show them by retribution, One call = one shot. I could fix everything

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=77&pos=360

Another interesting can of ? to open up.