Has anyone finally come to a determination on what the person said to Boone over the radio in the Heroine plane?

JazzyJ

No...?

we are the survivors

Thats what I heard, I just wanted to make sure that is what everyone else heard.

Thanks,

JazzyJ

That line was omitted from the closed caption on "the Journey". I replayed it on TiVo 50 times and cannot say for sure either way, it is just muffled enough to leave you doubting!

I replayed that bit too but damn the plane creaking and groaning and preparing to crash dive!

I hope it's "WE are the...." instead of "There were no" because "There were no" means that there's the slight possibility that they're in Purgatory or something, a basic myth arc I'd not be happy with. "WE are the..." implies rips in the space/time fabric, which I'm more comfortable with as myth arc. :)

"we're the..." also implies tail-section survivors on the island, alive and kicking.
"there were no..." I think might also imply some sort of international cooperative government cover-up.

"No We're the survivors...."

I *love* the idea of a tail section group of Lostaways. By the end of Season 2, that's your story right there: the "originals" either band together or split in to Jack/Locke factions, the tail section people are either goodies or badies (will they have the Sickeness?) and all heck breaks loose. More than anything in season 2, I want them to explore the rest of the Island--get away from the Caves and the beach front property. I wanna see the Black Rock, for a start.

And if there is a group of tail-section surviviors...they must have some kind of radio or someway to talk on the airwaves. And if thats true it looks like they are listening because they heard Boone...which means they have not had any luck reaching any outside the island help.

For all we know the other goups of survivors could be in better position to live on the island than our Lost-a-wayS. They may have radios, boos, naked women...who knows they maybe listening to a CB radio from the Hyatt Regency Hotel and Suites on the other side of the island.

So many questions...

JazzyJ

So far as I know, no final determination has been made. The creators have said the words were intentionally muddled, as has promo info since then.

Jeremy, creators have specifically said several times it's not purgatory. See, for instance, this Interview with Damon Lindelhof at Lost-TV (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=2211.topic). (May contain spoilery info for those who prefer to remain totally in the dark).

Last nite's show i heard "Therewereno survivors of oceanic flight 815" its the orginal voice from DEM, not the voice and fake line from the ABC marketing dept. that people got hung up on.

This time the radio reply was omitted from the CC.* >:(

Mabey someone else heard this like I did:

- The first time we saw the scene, when it happened during the episode it sounded muffled and I couldn't make out what it was.

- Then I think it was like Friday or Saturday after the episode aired, the commercial for LOST and ALIAS came on during someother crappy show, and I could hear it clear as day......"We're the survivors of flight 815" Clear as day I know thats what it said on that particular preview.

- Then during the "Journey" episode it was muffled again.

All my point really is, is that one of the previews I saw was very clear and I definitly heard "We're" not "There were"

JazzyJ

Okay my point is, to me it sounds like the promos use a different voice than the episode did. It's not the DEM voice cleaned up, it's a different tonality and cadence. listen to them back to back and, like me, you may conclude it's not the same vocal perfomance or voice.

If there are two different voices used, we gotta go with the actual episode as cannon, not something the ABC promo dept got "creative" with.

The actually episode, Excited Voice One: "Therewereno.."

The promo department stuff, Calm Voice Two: "We're the.."

are there any small mp3s of the two clips online?

I replayed that bit too but damn the plane creaking and groaning and preparing to crash dive!

I hope it's "WE are the...." instead of "There were no" because "There were no" means that there's the slight possibility that they're in Purgatory or something, a basic myth arc I'd not be happy with.* "WE are the..." implies rips in the space/time fabric, which I'm more comfortable with as myth arc. :)




I think the purgatory idea would be great. But I can't see it working for a TV show in the long run, for a movie, yeah. The rip in the space/time fabric doesn't sound too bad.

Not only am I convinced that it was "We're the survivors...", but to me, it sounds more & more like Boone's own voice, answering him back.

I dig the 'government cloning experiment' theories. That means there's another living, breathing, blue-eyed Boone, running around that island somewhere! :)

Hey guys,

Over two years working in DVD quality assurance has trained my ear quite well.* Checking closed captions for accuracy compared to spoken dialogue is the bread and butter of my job.

I've listened to this audio dozens of times, and I can assure you that both the episode voice and the promo voice are saying "We're the survivors..."

Does that help settle the debate at all?* *:lol2:

Creme, yeah, I've read those interviews with TPTB that say "No, it's not purgatory", which is why I had no enthusiasm for a theory that at least made a little sense. It's just too easy. However, this one.....

I dig the 'government cloning experiment' theories. That means there's another living, breathing, blue-eyed Boone, running around that island somewhere!

would be pretty cool. I'm sure that the source/purpose of that transmission is going to figure heavily in season 2.

Yeah I think so to VoyagerCSL, it settled it for me.

"We're the..." it is.

JazzyJ

is there any chance of an "echo" on a transmission like that....if there is some sort of magnatism on the island making compasses all screwy is it possible that he heard the same thing that he said, thus explaining why it sounds like his voice....just guessing like the rest ...sorry :-[

I am sure they will explore the transmission in the next couple of episodes....THe only way they would have left it in the air is if Boone was still alive, because he would be looking for answers to the transmission.

yay, someone actually put up the two different clips.

Here's abc's promo department thing. "we're"
listen to the poor voice acting:

http://www.visker.co.uk/Fuselage/boone1.mp3


Here's the actual episode "there were no! "with the more frantic sounding voice performance:
http://www.visker.co.uk/Fuselage/boone2.mp3

no way is boone1 a cleaned up version on boone2. The voice on Boone1 talks slower and doesnt sound excited. The Voice on Boone2 is clearly frantic and confused.

Is anyone arguing that one clip is a cleaned-up version of the other?* We know both takes are different voices.* That having been said, in both recordings the voice is*saying "Hello", not "No".* You can clearly hear two syllables.* And I'll say it again, he's saying "We're the survivors...", not "There were no survivors".* You never hear the word "There".

Like I said before, I've been doing this professionally for over two years, and the above is my professional opinion.* Take it or leave it.* *;D

I am not a poster, just a lurker, but being an audio engeineer, who has had extensive ear training, I thought I would chime in. After hearing the two clips, it is very apparant that those are different voices, saying two different things, with much different cadence. It sounds in the promo clip that the voice is saying "We are the", as the one from the episode says "there were no".

For what it's worth, maybe they did two versions based on how the show would develop. That is my take on all of this.

well --it seems this thread has brought out the pros here...LOL ;D....i will bow to your knowledge of this stuff and agree with you......i hope we do get more into this in the upcoming shows---thanks for the info you 2... 8)

i will bow to your knowledge of this stuff and agree with you

Which one of us?* *:lol2:

voyager-i would say i like the "we the" survivor thing more than" there were no"...i dont understand what you meant by ...in both recordings the voice is saying "Hello", not "No".
please elaborate...i thought boone gave the distress call then the reply came back....i am a little confused by this..i dont remember a "hello" ???

so long story short i agree with you voyager :laugh:

I still say I heard "we're all survivors of flight 815", but this topic has been beaten to death. (in much more than just this thread)
Here's hoping that the writers resolve this thing sooner rather than later.

"there were no" does not imply int'l govt coverups or purgatory, it's a logical statement that can be made by a radio guy.

The pilot said they were 1000 miles off course, they're searching in the wrong place. After more than 40 days would there still be a search party at sea checking a 1000 mile radius? No, to the outside world, there were no survivors of a crash over a month ago at sea. It must have sounded like a prank call on the other end.

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The only thing I am positive about is that the creators of the series said that they had intentionally garbled the transmission and that they knew what he said and it would payoff.

I find it interesting that the spot ABC used with a voice over to clearly state "We are the surviviors....."
was quickly pulled and hasn't been seen since. They also had the opportunity to completely clear it up in the recap special but IMHO, it was even hard to understand what was said in the clip shown in "The Journey".

What does this mean? The creators don't want us to know until they unveil the twist. So everyone's opinion at this point is both right and wrong.

What I'm saying, in short, is that while the promo voice and the episode voice are clearly different, they are both saying exactly the same thing:

"Hello?!* We're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815!"

I'm hearing it as either "Hello! Hello, survivors of..." or "Hello! There's no survivors of..." and I just spent a few hours scrubbing it up removing the frequencies of Lockes voice and other editing (i'm practiced of late from trying to clean up alleged EVPs). Because of the (pressumably carefully precise) timing of Lockes voice it's very hard to distinguish the key words. Very clever. But I really can't hear a "We Are" in there.

The other thing I noticed is when you start fiddling with the frequencies the important part starts to sound a lot different to the rest of the radio message, like it was recorded seperately. I guess on a different take so it could be fitted in precisely, or possibly just to make it harder to clean up that part of the signal (one of the tricks I used was to take the part of my ripped wav file with just the radio signal and no other talking/noises and use that as a filter to cut out everything else in the overall wav but stuff the correspended to the frequencies in that section).

But anyway, even if it is "No survivors" it doesn't mean they are all dead and in purgatory. It could be that they are on a parrell plane of existance, just the same as the "We are the" theory. In one parrell universe they survived, in the other, they died. Perhaps crashing on a different island or in the sea, or just exploding in the air. Somehow the plane shifted realities and now they are straned on an island while everyone in this reality thinks they are all dead because the plane exploded in mid air. Or something like that. The other options is that the island is somehow cloaked from the outside world and that when the rescue parties came out and couldn't find the island (maybe some wreckage in the sea) they just listed it as being no survivors.

Then again I Drive Shafts website keeps saying "No news about Charlie". So if they are keeping that in sync with the series it would seem that they would have made an announcement. Obviously that would have been a bit of a giveaway but still. Then again if it's a parrell world, then on that world there would be no plane wreckage and so no conclusion.

But I think we should also consider that they just repeated "Hello" and there was no statement about them being the survivors or there being no survivors.

I think they said "We're the..." which must mean that the tail seciton survivors have found the radio tower Danielle talked about.

*sigh*

I dont think anyone knows for sure yet...but id put my money on "we're the survivors"

In "The Journey" it sounded like "we are..."

but I don't know if that mess of clips can be trusted...

I can totally believe that it's two different versions - it's just the sort of thing I think they would do to confuse us. As we've all focused on it so much anyway you can see they are right.

I wish I knew one way or the other for sure but I don't think they are going to give us that satisfaction yet!

However...the tail section people MUST be real because they are adding new characters and if the one IS a movie star or something like that how could they miss her all this time if she was with them? I mean she'd probably be pretty spoiled or something and making noise right?

I can totally believe that it's two different versions - it's just the sort of thing I think they would do to confuse us. As we've all focused on it so much anyway you can see they are right.

I wish we could all post our own audio captures so we could compare. Is it possible that different versions were distributed? I'm not familiar with the industry.

I did read a post from someone who works for the CC company; he said they transcribed it correctly as "There were no survivors". But I personally heard "We're the survivors."

OK so what did you all decide?


Just kiddin don't reply to that.....this thread could go forever.

JazzyJ

One of the advertisments for DNH had it clear and it is "We're the survivors"

End of discussion:

http://www.lost-mm.com/video/finalepromo1.mpg

that time it sounded like destiny's child....sorry i was trying to give a little humor to this dead horse... :lol2:

I replayed that bit too but damn the plane creaking and groaning and preparing to crash dive!

I hope it's "WE are the...." instead of "There were no" because "There were no" means that there's the slight possibility that they're in Purgatory or something, a basic myth arc I'd not be happy with.* "WE are the..." implies rips in the space/time fabric, which I'm more comfortable with as myth arc. :)




If it were "There were no" it could also mean that the search has stopped and the airline or the search party has given up hope of finding anyone.

Has anyone thought about the issue of timing? Someone would have had to been sitting right by the other radio to respond so quickly.

i still think it is just an echo of what boone said....just to whip the horse again....

man bucki, your picture scared the crap out of me!

MAMA, I was talking about that earlier. If it is "We're the..." then the other survivors must have a radio that works and they have been sitting by it appaerntly waiting for a voice. Which would mean that they have had no luck reaching anyone outside the island.

My feeling is that they have reached other survivors either on the island or on a nearby island. In season 2 I predict those two will meet up and do kinda what they do on Survivor the TV show...they going to combine the tribes.

Mabey...we'll see.

JazzyJ

Maybe they are on the island and have found the radiotower?

I think that they've reached other survivors from there own flight...on some other part of the island.....another band of castaways on a near by island is just too far fetched for me to believe....I think theres going to be roses husband and others who have survived.....I mean if this show does last for many years...that would be smart of J.J and them to have other people to go to for other stories and mysteries and all that kind of stuff.

I believe that the voice said back "we're the survivors..."
and they are people from the other half of the, including Rose's husband
and they landed on the side of the island were the radio tower that Danielle
said the transmission was coming from.. Also Kristen from E Online
has said ,in her opinion, to not believe in what the closed captioning showed.
:jump:

I believe that the voice said back "we're the survivors..."
and they are people from the other half of the, including Rose's husband
and they landed on the side of the island were the radio tower that Danielle
said the transmission was coming from.. Also Kristen from E Online
has said ,in her opinion, to not believe in what the closed captioning showed.
:jump:


I wouldn't pay that much attention to Kristen because when first asked about this she said: "There were no....' and repeated it a week later. Now in her new post she seems to have changed her mind. I guess she's been reading all the boards and decided to hedge her bet.

I agreet...that kristen chick cant always be trusted....but i would bet anything that it said "we're the survivors" sometimes she might be wrong...maybe right....but id bet my money on the above

I actually heard there were no survivors ... there was no doubt in my mind that it was any other way (closed captioning helps) then i read this thread and well ... i dono ... gotta watch for it in the reruns

I heard Boone say that they were the survivors into the radio and I heard a reply....

"There were no survivors of that flight"

That's what I heard.

Hypothetically speaking,you are one of the people in the tail section and you survived.You have a radio and suddenly on it you hear Boone"were the survivors of flight 815"Why would you say "no,were the survivors"You would probably reply with something like "wow so are we.What would make you think you were the only survivors from the plane which did break up into three pieces?Logic dictates it was someone not associated with the flight who had first hand knowledge of the search for the missing flight or part of a coverup.So I beleive the response was there were no survivors.,

This thread needs to be moved as this subject was not part of this episode.

It should be moved either to DEM or "Lost Talk".