Deacon Gibbons (http://theflashforward.com/images/S1E2_DGibbons_card002.jpg) File
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FBI/Subject Case File

Gibbons, Deacon

Personal Information
Sex Male
Race Caucasian
Height 6'
Weight 200 lbs
Hair
Eyes
DOB 04-19-1975
Bozeman, Montana

Status
Gibbons is wanted for questioning in connection with the murder of a Salt Lake City Police Detective who was investigating Gibbons at his last known address. The Divine Doll Company Salt Lake City, UT. Gibbons is believed to have started the fire to conceal another crime. Gibbons is also wanted for questioning in connection with the "Flash Forward Event. Contact Special Agent Mark Benford at Los Angeles Field Office.

Was she really a Salt Lake City police detective? I thought she was the sheriff of a smallish town outside of SLC.

That's what the case file, you see in the screencap, says.
They were in Pigeon, Utah.
Google maps shows a location that is in nowhere land and it doesn't even say Pigeon on the map.
Utah Home Town Locator (http://http://utah.hometownlocator.com/ut/box-elder/pigeon.cfm)

Pigeon is a community or populated place (Class Code U6 (http://forum.redpandaresources.com/../../cities/class-codes,cc,u6.cfm)) located in Box Elder County (http://forum.redpandaresources.com/index.cfm) at latitude 41.332 and longitude -113.799 (Pigeon Panoramio Photos (http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=41.3324244&ln=-113.7994518&z=4&k=2&a=1&tab=1)). The elevation is 4,360 feet. Pigeon appears on the Pigeon Mountain U.S. Geological Survey Map. Box Elder County is in the Mountain time zone (GMT -7). Observes DST? Yes. Current Time (http://nist.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java).

Quoting the first post on the bulletin board.

There has been discussion of chess pieces throughout the show....would it be a stretch to say maybe deacon is the bishop...??

I was thinking the same thing last night.

Last night I was also trying to "fit" D. Gibbons into the chess piece motif. If one thinks that a "deacon" is under the "bishop" in pecking order, that might be a "red herring" method of referring to the knight. I might be stretching it here, but who says a deacon couldn't be atop of a horse?

The main reason I'm trying to fit this in this way is that in Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There the White Pawn (who I believe to be Charlie) will be under threat by the Red (or dark) Knight. It appears that Charlie will be with our dear Deacon Gibbons ("D. Gibbons is a bad man") in her ff vision. If I hadn't been influenced by that recently, I'd absolutely go for the Bishop role for D. Gibbons.

Only some of the "pieces" are fitting solidly, with a few being ambiguous (intentionally by the PTB?). For example, I see Demetri and Lloyd each with possible attributes of both the "March Hare" and the "White Knight."

Your move, friends. :biggrin:

Added thought about the info on the rap sheet. What if they just didn't mention the Pigeon Sheriff and the SLC Det. is yet another of Gibbons' victims?

Charlie doesn't have to be "with" D. Gibbons but she could be seeing him do something bad in her FF.

Charlie doesn't have to be "with" D. Gibbons but she could be seeing him do something bad in her FF.

Yeah, that works too.

Just for you MH: I think I've found a way to connect Chess and Cupcake lady or D.Gibbons

Here: http://theadventuresofleslieandleryn.blogspot.com/2009/07/chess-cupcakes.html

Just for you MH: I think I've found a way to connect Chess and Cupcake lady or D.Gibbons

Here: http://theadventuresofleslieandleryn.blogspot.com/2009/07/chess-cupcakes.html

Why, thanks! I wish I could reach through and "capture" one of those. They look delicious. In fact, they look didelicious! ;)

Well, the line that (Deacon) Gibbons quoted, with lighters held high, was from Beilby Porteus – Bishop of Chester and, later, London. A double entendre?

Also the prop seems to have been produced prior to casting Massee as Gibbons. The weight and age are off (unsure of the height). That may also explain the SLC/Pigeon PPD mix-up…

Well, the line that (Deacon) Gibbons quoted, with lighters held high, was from Beilby Porteus – Bishop of Chester and, later, London. A double entendre?…

Yes, very poetic. But when he held up the lighters I had a flash back to Rock Concerts I've attended in my foolish youth. At that moment, I hoped he was not going to break into a sad song. :71:

Yes, very poetic. But when he held up the lighters I had a flash back to Rock Concerts I've attended in my foolish youth. At that moment, I hoped he was not going to break into a sad song. :71:

I could also have replied to Apo on this just above but it does fold into both of your comments. I took the "hands outstretched" pose as "Christ on the cross" folks. I'm still holding to the knight piece as Gibbons, though. It's not because Apo's evidence isn't good. It is.

I could also have replied to Apo on this just above but it does fold into both of your comments. I took the "hands outstretched" pose as "Christ on the cross" folks. I'm still holding to the knight piece as Gibbons, though. It's not because Apo's evidence isn't good. It is.

Perhaps that is exactly why he chose to steal the name Deacon Gibbons? It is his code word for Bishop? I'm liken APO's idea here. His partner could be the knight. How about Simon as the knight? Interesting of all the pieces, they only saved the queen?

Perhaps that is exactly why he chose to steal the name Deacon Gibbons? It is his code word for Bishop? I'm liken APO's idea here. His partner could be the knight. How about Simon as the knight? Interesting of all the pieces, they only saved the queen?

Not sure if you've caught the theory yet that has the entire series having an overlay of both Lewis Carroll books (Alice in Wonderland / Through the Looking-Glass) that covers the many animals w/ the kangaroo especially, the flipping/reversed images in the visions and also explains the heavy chess theme all through the series (and the ARG).

I like Apo tagging "Deacon" Gibbons as a bishop but I had been relating Gibbons to the dark (red) knight from "you-know-where." To be honest, I've been waiting for my Amazon order to come as it has both of Lewis Carroll's books (in a single volume) to get into my hands after many many years. From casual reading of wikipedia articles on Alice's Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass they had yet really to mention any bishops as players. The Red Knight (and the White Knight) figure prominently as well as saying that "Alice" (as the White Pawn- ehem, the Queen's Pawn which is even better) will be threatened with capture by the Red Knight. If Charlie knows that "D. Gibbons is a bad man" this might mean direct threat from him (as the Red Knight) in the context of the classic story.

From this site I just discovered below, we might find a method to make our Deacon Gibbons into the piece called the "CROW", and then consider his pose in the Divine Doll Factory to be that of (wild idea) a scarecrow perhaps. Did we see birds in that scene at all just as the "good guys" entered the room? I know we have birds in a drawing on the FBI wall (crows???) so because of the Crow's position (that of a Bishop) in Alice's game, I might consider switching Gibbons from Red Knight to Red Bishop (but as a crow). I'm doing fair at placing the cast as chess pieces but if you track my progress I've switched some of the places around when they seem to fit better elsewhere. Here is the link to the chess game with "Alice" (Charlie):

http://home.vianetworks.nl/users/termaten/netscape/carroll2.htm

Then the wild and crazy idea of placing the series characters as human chess pieces in a Lewis Carroll world:

http://forum.redpandaresources.com/showthread.php?t=117262

I think you are going to love how some of the pieces fall into place, with some being possible for multiple positions.

So yes, I think Deacon Gibbons = D. Gibbons. Let's see now if the SLC Det. is a separate victim from the Pigeon Sheriff perhaps or an early script mistake. I think it'll be the former.

Not sure if you've caught the theory yet that has the entire series having an overlay of both Lewis Carroll books (Alice in Wonderland / Through the Looking-Glass) that covers the many animals w/ the kangaroo especially, the flipping/reversed images in the visions and also explains the heavy chess theme all through the series (and the ARG).

I like Apo tagging "Deacon" Gibbons as a bishop but I had been relating Gibbons to the dark (red) knight from "you-know-where." To be honest, I've been waiting for my Amazon order to come as it has both of Lewis Carroll's books (in a single volume) to get into my hands after many many years. From casual reading of wikipedia articles on Alice's Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass they had yet really to mention any bishops as players. The Red Knight (and the White Knight) figure prominently as well as saying that "Alice" (as the White Pawn- ehem, the Queen's Pawn which is even better) will be threatened with capture by the Red Knight. If Charlie knows that "D. Gibbons is a bad man" this might mean direct threat from him (as the Red Knight) in the context of the classic story.

From this site I just discovered below, we might find a method to make our Deacon Gibbons into the piece called the "CROW", and then consider his pose in the Divine Doll Factory to be that of (wild idea) a scarecrow perhaps. Did we see birds in that scene at all just as the "good guys" entered the room? I know we have birds in a drawing on the FBI wall (crows???) so because of the Crow's position (that of a Bishop) in Alice's game, I might consider switching Gibbons from Red Knight to Red Bishop (but as a crow). I'm doing fair at placing the cast as chess pieces but if you track my progress I've switched some of the places around when they seem to fit better elsewhere. Here is the link to the chess game with "Alice" (Charlie):

http://home.vianetworks.nl/users/termaten/netscape/carroll2.htm

Then the wild and crazy idea of placing the series characters as human chess pieces in a Lewis Carroll world:

http://forum.redpandaresources.com/showthread.php?t=117262

I think you are going to love how some of the pieces fall into place, with some being possible for multiple positions.

So yes, I think Deacon Gibbons = D. Gibbons. Let's see now if the SLC Det. is a separate victim from the Pigeon Sheriff perhaps or an early script mistake. I think it'll be the former.

Thank you for the site reference... I am enjoying the reading!
Don't forget, Lewis Carroll saw himself as the Dodo bird....

Thank you for the site reference... I am enjoying the reading!
Don't forget, Lewis Carroll saw himself as the Dodo bird....

It's been so long for me that I didn't remember that. That is why I decided to buy the books, hee. They should be a relaxing read and hopefully informative as well. So D. Gibbons' "pose" could be a double entendre of a Latin Cross as well as a scarecrow, even though Gibbons himself may be the crow. When I saw the crow in the place of a bishop in the link above it may mean that Apo's uncovering of the quote seals the deal.

If anyone is following my Alice / Looking-Glass comments it brings up another ambiguous position swap as in Demetri and Lloyd. Each share characteristics of the other and if Gibbons is indeed the bishop piece who then is the Red Knight? Methinks that will be an important piece and I had Gibbons in that role as he looks to be a significant character.

I've not really had the time to dig into you theory as yet. But wanted to drop a recommendation, for any looking to read and learn more about Carroll's Alice stories.
Forum Books published an illuminating edition titled
'The Annotated Alice – Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass'
Introduction and Notes by Martin Gardner
w/ The complete text and original John Tenniel illustrations.
It's a great addition to any library :biggrin:

Anyone else get "freaked" when an FBI agent was talking to Demetri and called him "D"? Ahhh.

Anyone else get "freaked" when an FBI agent was talking to Demetri and called him "D"? Ahhh.

So, Demetri is Deacon Gibbons? Man Zero? Noh way! ;)

Unless Deacon Gibbons is a code word?

I've not really had the time to dig into you theory as yet. But wanted to drop a recommendation, for any looking to read and learn more about Carroll's Alice stories.
Forum Books published an illuminating edition titled
'The Annotated Alice – Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass'
Introduction and Notes by Martin Gardner
w/ The complete text and original John Tenniel illustrations.
It's a great addition to any library :biggrin:

Thanks Apo. I'm likely to pick that up and also the cliff-notes version as I really think this has traction. Currently I'm shifting some pieces around, even moving Gibbons from the red knight to the red bishop because he might be the "Crow" piece. Now that I've seen episode 103 I need to think on things. In the book the "Crow" and the "Old Man" are both in the "King's Bishop" slot opposed from each other and the "Old Man" does not appear to be a "good guy."

Rudolph Geyer's character gives me the feeling of a Hannibal Lecter sort of guy (yikes!) so I see it hard for him to be on the white team. However, in a way it might be made to work as Lecter did help Jodie Foster's character solve her crimes Of course, Lecter still got away so it was a win-win. The show-runners sure seemed to pull off the "Lecter" feeling I got and sure enough although he did not have to, Geyer did help Mark Benford after he had his freedom! Too similar, methinks. Then that does help fit the "Old Man" as a White Bishop and next to the White King (Benford).

With your links to Gibbons as "Deacon Gibbons" and as a Bishop, I then might try to fit Gibbons as the Crow that is in the Red King's Bishop's square. With Gibbons as the "Crow" (Red Bishop) and the "Old Man" staring at him from the other end of the White King's Bishop's file, we have a Crow and an "Anti-Crow" in a way. Still, it is hard for me to give up on Gibbons as the "Dark Knight" but you have convinced me so far. As Sam has remarked in these topics, Gibbons does not need to be with Charlie in order to threaten her and Dylan. I just have to find a new character to fit into the "Red Knight's" position that will be under Gibbon's orders. I think I did earlier today and placed "Suspect-Zero" (not seen yet) into that role .

Deacon Gibbons (http://bj-126.iimmgg.com/image/3486aec86b5954624be4f44d23fd9a94) screencap from the ODI
Escaping (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/FlashForward/Screencaps/S2E1_dollroom008.jpg)
In the shaft (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/FlashForward/Screencaps/S2E1_dollroom009.jpg)
Pulling the rope attached to the grenades (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/FlashForward/Screencaps/S2E1_dollroom010.jpg)


Posted by Dew at Losttv-forum: Was that a pic of the guy in the doll factory?
Posted by Brian at Losttv-forum: Yeah. It was after he jumped out of the room and pulled the rope holding the pins in the grenades.


Dew is doing the transcripts and Brian has posted a number of the screencaps we've found.

I am completely sold on Gibbons as a Bishop, so thanks Apo!
Definitely two ways to look at Gibbons "pose": as a Latin Cross but also as something crows fear... a scarecrow, friends. :biggrin:

And after seeing ep.103 I have yet another position filled in, with Janis. I had suspected but needed the episode to air to confirm it.

Is this Deacon Gibbons

In the shaft at the Divine Doll company (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/FlashForward/Screencaps/S2E1_dollroom009.jpg)


Don't Look if you don't want to be spoiled.


(http://static.episode39.it/artist/16024.jpg)? (http://static.episode39.it/artist/16024.jpg)

yep NBC
someone else (Cardie, I think) nailed it shortly after the episode aired.
and your second link (IMDB) is broke.

Was that in the spoilers?
I am really trying to not be spoiled so I didn't see it.

I took the IMBD link out. That's strange that it wouldn't link. Thanks for letting me know.

I can't recall where it was, think the episode thread tho. I'm staying away from spoilers myself, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't in that forum.
and no problem about the link heads up (this is what you were going for I think iMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0557219/))

Besides being a recluse physicist who is a chess fanatic is Deacon Gibbons (http://inadream-caps.com/scifi/displayimage.php?pid=150278&fullsize=1) also a religious fanatic? I do believe that is a rosary he is holding. Plus he was quoting Belby Porteus,"He who forsees calamaties, suffers them twice."
Belby Porteus(May 8, 1731 – May 13, 1809), successively Bishop of Chester and of London was an Anglican reformer.
This was discussed in another thread but I'm not sure which one.

Yes, rosary - lots of screen caps, we need them.

Besides being a recluse physicist who is a chess fanatic is Deacon Gibbons (http://inadream-caps.com/scifi/displayimage.php?pid=150278&fullsize=1) also a religious fanatic? I do believe that is a rosary he is holding. Plus he was quoting Belby Porteus,"He who forsees calamaties, suffers them twice."

This was discussed in another thread but I'm not sure which one.

May I just mention that to pray the Rosary does not make one a religious 'fanatic'?
But still, something to think about.
He does seem (at this point) to be a fanatic of one kind or another.
Interesting to speculate exactly where the name 'Deacon' comes from.

Many churches have Deacons or it may be used as an indication of extreme religiosity without ties to any one particular church.

May I just mention that to pray the Rosary does not make one a religious 'fanatic'?
But still, something to think about.
He does seem (at this point) to be a fanatic of one kind or another.
Interesting to speculate exactly where the name 'Deacon' comes from.

Many churches have Deacons or it may be used as an indication of extreme religiosity without ties to any one particular church.
I am quite aware that saying the Rosary does not make a person a religious fanatic. D. Gibbons did not look like he was saying the Rosary when he was at Nhadra's place. He was playing a game of computer chess while fiddling with the rosary.

I am quite aware that saying the Rosary does not make a person a religious fanatic. D. Gibbons did not look like he was saying the Rosary when he was at Nhadra's place. He was playing a game of computer chess while fiddling with the rosary.
So fiddling with the rosary makes him a religious fanatic? ;) I think TPTB are letting us know that he's a devout Catholic. Don't know how that will tie in to the big picture. Maybe he thinks his violence is justified by his beliefs. Which is actually a characteristic of a religious fanatic. So maybe you're right. :doh:

So fiddling with the rosary makes him a religious fanatic? ;) I think TPTB are letting us know that he's a devout Catholic. Don't know how that will tie in to the big picture. Maybe he thinks his violence is justified by his beliefs. Which is actually a characteristic of a religious fanatic. So maybe you're right. :doh:
D. Gibbons also quoted Beilby Porteus.
"White To Play"
MYSTERIOUS MAN: He who foresees calamities suffers them twice over.
Beilby Porteus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beilby_Porteus)
(May 8, 1731 – May 13, 1809), successively Bishop of Chester and of London was an Anglican reformer and leading abolitionist in England. He was the first Anglican in a position of authority to seriously challenge the Church's position on slavery.

I don't think that they are implying that he is a devout Catholic I think that they are implying that there is a religious connection in some way or another with D. Gibbons. It's not just my opinion but also some others that post here.

TPTB chose the rosary and the name for a reason. I don't know if D. Gibbons is religious or not.

I wasn't sure if the beads that D. Gibbons was playing with were "Rosary" beads. There is no indication that he is a devout Catholic as mentioned in this thread.

I did look up the quote by Porteus after the episode "White to Play" so I know what's being referred to here. At that time I assumed that D. Gibbons was Deacon Gibbons as a title in a religious order. But, I was informed that Reese Witherspoon named her son Deacon. ;)

Source Wikipedia:

Prayer beads or Rosaries are used by members of various religions such as Roman Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Bahá'í Faith to count the repetitions of prayers, chants or devotions. They may also be used for meditation, protection from negative energy, or for relaxation.
Perhaps D. Gibbons is involved with "the Sanctuary". :confused: Nicole was interested in that flyer on the bulletin board in Angeles Hospital.
The bottom line is, we still don't know who D. Gibbons is...yet.;)

I wasn't sure if the beads that D. Gibbons was playing with were "Rosary" beads. There is no indication that he is a devout Catholic as mentioned in this thread.
Only one person has mentioned that he might be a devout Catholic.


Prayer beads or Rosaries are used by members of various religions such as Roman Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Bahá'í Faith to count the repetitions of prayers, chants or devotions. They may also be used for meditation, protection from negative energy, or for relaxation.

The screencap that I had posted, of D. Gibbons (http://inadream-caps.com/scifi/displayimage.php?pid=150278&fullsize=1), shows the beads which look more like a rosary than a set of prayer beads.

D. Gibbons also quoted Beilby Porteus.
"White To Play"

Beilby Porteus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beilby_Porteus)

I don't think that they are implying that he is a devout Catholic I think that they are implying that there is a religious connection in some way or another with D. Gibbons. It's not just my opinion but also some others that post here.
Ah, good point. Maybe a devout Anglican or a devout something else. :)

I was doing some fun research and found that the term "deacon" had some interesting connotations to it:

(from Wikipedia of course) "The word deacon (and deaconess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaconess)) is derived from the Greek word diakonos (διάκονος),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon#cite_note-0) which is a standard ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) word meaning "servant", "waiting-man," "minister" or "messenger."

Interesting no? Perhaps Deacon is his name and/or his title, either way, with the whole names carrying meaning thread that's posted out there, I thought this might be somewhat relevant. He is the messenger or the servant of some other entity perhaps. As for the beads, they could simply be a reminder for him (like the Annabelle bracelet) of why he's doing what he's doing...whatever that is!

RE: the rosary
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary#Rosary_beads)]The rosary provides a physical method of keeping track of the number of Hail Marys said. The fingers are moved along the beads as the prayers are recited. By not having to keep track of the count mentally, the mind is more able to meditate on the mysteries. A five decade rosary contains five groups of ten beads (a decade), with additional large beads before each decade. The Hail Mary is said on the ten beads within a decade, while the Our Father is said on the large bead before each decade. A new mystery is meditated upon at each of the large beads. Some rosaries, particularly those used by religious orders, contain 15 decades, corresponding to the traditional 15 mysteries of the rosary. Both five and 15 decade rosaries are attached to a shorter strand, which starts with a crucifix followed by one large, three small, and one large beads before connecting to the rest of the rosary. The praying of the rosary is started on the short strand, reciting the Apostle's Creed at the crucifix, an Our Father at the first large bead, three Hail Marys on the next three beads, then a Glory be to the Father on the next large bead. The praying of the decades then follows.…
Looking at the cap' linked by NBC it's clear that it's a 5 decade rosary. It is not a string of prayer beads (e.g., a Mala) it is a rosary in the Catholic tradition, add to that the quote and it seems that D.G. is either Catholic or has taken a shine to their ideology/philosophy. Though, the point that ReesaGirl raises could very well be true (the beads may hold no indication of D.G.'s philosophy), they could simply be a memento of his determination.

To make this some sort of discussion on fundamentalism is neither here nor there, it's a TV show people. Sufficient to say that D.G. is a very intense and thoughtful person, one that acts with forethought is an understatement (e.g., the doll lair being rigged). He has meditated on his motives/ends and seems to have found some sort of peace with his actions.

RE: the rosary

Looking at the cap' linked by NBC it's clear that it's a 5 decade rosary. It is not a string of prayer beads (e.g., a Mala) it is a rosary in the Catholic tradition, add to that the quote and it seems that D.G. is either Catholic or has taken a shine to their ideology/philosophy. Though, the point that ReesaGirl raises could very well be true (the beads may hold no indication of D.G.'s philosophy), they could simply be a memento of his determination.

To make this some sort of discussion on fundamentalism is neither here nor there, it's a TV show people. Sufficient to say that D.G. is a very intense and thoughtful person, one that acts with forethought is an understatement (e.g., the doll lair being rigged). He has meditated on his motives/ends and seems to have found some sort of peace with his actions.

Excellent post Apo and even Google Ads approves with "Gifts from the Vatican" giving us a visit for a short time. :biggrin:

Even if D. Gibbons' beads are Roman Catholic rosary beads they don't necessarily indicate his current religious proclivities.

I watched a show recently about the "Big Bang" theory. Galileo, an Italian physicist, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher played a major role in the Scientific Revolution.
was banned from the Catholic church because of his beliefs. Perhaps D. Gibbons is alienated from the Catholic church.

Source Wikipedia:

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy," namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest.

We saw a little more of D. Gibbons, what else do we know now?

Well, we now know that D. Gibbons was wearing an anti-BO ring and that he was further up the domino line of play than Flosso. I'm thinking D.G. is not at the very top.

Well, we now know that D. Gibbons was wearing an anti-BO ring and that he was further up the domino line of play than Flosso. I'm thinking D.G. is not at the very top.

Anti-BO ring? Wow, that ring can stop body odor too? Technology is cool, eh?:biggrin: Yes, I'm as mean as Flosso, hee.

Sam and Futura, with Flosso saying that Lloyd and his family had been under surveillance before the GBO and Flosso working for Gibbons, Gibbons seems to be much more than the "observer" I took him for but I am quite wary now to say how high Gibbons goes. I agree with Futura that we may not have yet seen the real puppet-master. With Flosso "expired" from the series this leaves Gibbons and Nhadra still as our prime suspects.

My hat is off to Merch for probably being the first to guess Dom as S-0 back on Oct. 3 of '09 (nothing to diminish others that guessed correctly too). I'd have gone with Dom as S-0 but I foggily remember something someone found on an interview where Dom said it wasn't him. I think it was in regards to when he first was on the show. I also remember on a post digging up data on Dom's height and weight (from a Lord of the Rings fansite). If I have a chance I'll try to find the misdirection info from Dom.

This is one of the things about TV. They wouldn't need Dom/Simon to film that scene. (Wasn't it CGI?) Technically, he wouldn't be lying. I think it had to do with what episode he first shows up in and wasn't it from David? They certainly don't have to spill the beans.

This is one of the things about TV. They wouldn't need Dom/Simon to film that scene. (Wasn't it CGI?) Technically, he wouldn't be lying. I think it had to do with what episode he first shows up in and wasn't it from David? They certainly don't have to spill the beans.

I'm poking around for the past history on this. No, I don't blame them as if they blurted it out it ruins a large mystery that is an important part of the first season. If I find it I'll post it in the S-0 topic.

[quote=Mosaic_Hyde;2306318]Anti-BO ring? Wow, that ring can stop body odor too? Technology is cool, eh?:biggrin: Yes, I'm as mean as Flosso, hee. [quote/]

You're killing me! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: See what happens when you're sleep deprived. :redface: I should edit that to be anti-GBO but I think I'll leave it as is. :lol:

I'm dying to know how that ring blocks the "wave" that caused the GBO. As I posted in another thread, who would have that much money to pay Flosso a basket the size of Montana full of $ ? I don't think it would be D. Gibbons. D. Gibbons is definitely not at the top of the pyramid.

[quote=Mosaic_Hyde;2306318]Anti-BO ring? Wow, that ring can stop body odor too? Technology is cool, eh?:biggrin: Yes, I'm as mean as Flosso, hee. [quote/]

You're killing me! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: See what happens when you're sleep deprived. :redface: I should edit that to be anti-GBO but I think I'll leave it as is. :lol:

I'm dying to know how that ring blocks the "wave" that caused the GBO. As I posted in another thread, who would have that much money to pay Flosso a basket the size of Montana full of $ ? I don't think it would be D. Gibbons. D. Gibbons is definitely not at the top of the pyramid.

I knew you were saying "blackout" but couldn't resist. I wouldn't be "dying to know" and be around Simon, if you know what I mean, hee. Besides, I think our dear Flosso was blustering a bit and the basket really was only the size of Hanna Montana. :biggrin: Regardless, Simon saved Gibbons some money. That is, unless he was planning to pay Flosso off using Didi Gibbons' credit card. :rolleyes: I'll be here all week. :nuts: