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BigFoot 01-11-2010, 12:23 PM Couple of people that I think are over looked are Walt and Ray.
Walt has all these special powers and we don't even know anything about it. The whole about being able to bring something to him while just thinking about it. Example. When he was reading about the birds in a the Bird Book and he was trying to tell his Mom and stepdad about the bird. Then all of sudden that bird come crashing into the door. Also, when he was reading the comic book about the Polar Bear and later there are polar bears.
Does this special gift of bring anything to him reminds me of Jacob. Jacob can bring people to him with doing anything. Example the Black Rock finding the island. MIB even says that he knows that Jacob brought the Black Rock to the island. Could this have some kind of connection like Walt?
Ray
Ray doesn't have anything really special going on but that one episode with him trying to run away. Why would they just throw this scene in the show. It has to have some kind of importance, right? Ray makes those comments about running away and never being found again. Is he talking about the island? Also, its weird that he is tryinig to run away when the Ajira flight is supposed to happen. Was he trying to get on the plane with Jack and everyone? They said that he tried to run away three other times. Were they attempts to make it back to the island?
MichaelTheAngel 01-11-2010, 12:52 PM Observations:
Electromagnetism has a large 'effect' on the show. Maybe Walt has some powers of EM, and attracted the bird (which uses the Earth's magnetic fields to migrate).
We know there were polar bears on Hydra Island, and probably at the Orchid that were used for time travel experiments - one ended up in Tunisia.
One point of Ray's scene is to give Jack a pair of Christian's shoes (for Locke).
Jonathan Gaskill 01-11-2010, 01:00 PM Since you haven't mentioned it, I'm assuming that you haven't seen the mobisode "Room 23" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPH7y0AtT6I or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyoL_Ng7Vl4), which showed that when the Others had Walt in their possession, Ben put him in Room 23 (they never explained why, though). Juliet brought Ben over there to show him a bunch of dead birds right outside Room 23. They had obviously flown at top speed into the side of the building, killing themselves--just like the other scene when Walt was his mother.
Another Walt mystery that hasn't been explained to my satisfaction is how Walt communicated with Michael on the computer. Damon and Carlton verified on the season 3 Blu-Ray that it was indeed Walt that was sending the messages to the Swan's computer, but I don't think they explained how. Where was Walt located so that he was near a computer (i.e. which DHARMA station)? How did he type messages without being noticed? How did he happen to be near a computer at just the right time when Michael was trying to communicate with him?
Perhaps Walt is sort of like that kid on Heroes whose superpower is to control technology. Walt found a way to tap into the computer system and send messages using his mind so that he didn't actually have to be sitting at a computer typing on a keyboard. If the Others were doing experiments on him, perhaps they inadvertently taught him how to do this trick, and he used it to communicate with his Dad.
Thunderstorm 01-11-2010, 01:20 PM It wasn't Walt typing on that computer, IMO.
It was probably Mikhail watching Michael from the Pearl.
Jonathan Gaskill 01-11-2010, 04:32 PM It wasn't Walt typing on that computer, IMO.
It was probably Mikhail watching Michael from the Pearl.
If you go to http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Access:_Granted, you can read a transcript of Damon and Carlton giving definitive answers on certain subjects--one of them being whether or not Walt was the one who was communicating with Michael. I think I must have read this before, because they talk about the possibility of Walt using psychic powers to communicate through the computer, and that's probably where I got the idea from. At any rate, I highly recommend that everybody give that a read-through because it's very handy being given some answers about things we've seen on the show, but for which the show itself has been ambiguous about the meaning behind them. Following is the excerpt about Walt:
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, we can say that was Walt on the computer.
Carlton Cuse: Yeah, he’s a good typist.
Damon Lindelof: But he might not …
Carlton Cuse: He has exceptional typing skills
Damon Lindelof: … or he might not even have needed a computer. When you have psychic powers, maybe you just think about the internet and you start IMing people.
Carlton Cuse: Is that how you write?
Damon Lindelof: That is how I write, but often, like, I’ll get to the office and I’ll be, like, “Did you get pages?” and people will be, like, “What are you talking about?” Like, I was writing them psychically and then I have to manually input them myself because people think I’m crazy.
Carlton Cuse: Oh, nobody thinks you're crazy.
Damon Lindelof: I don’t know … wacky.
simone5p 01-11-2010, 08:21 PM It may be that Walt was going to be "a candidate" but that the Others were freaked at his dark side... what he did with his ability ...
I think it's Lucidity, but someone had/has a great theory that the castaways are younger versions of their same sex parent... which might be how Walt typed the message... it was really Michael typing or psychically typing to himself?
What of the blood they took from Michael and then from Sawyer, Kate, and Jack? I'm guessing they took samples from Walt, Claire, Aaron, Charlie (by Ethan) and Sun (by Juliet) too. Why did they want their blood?
Thunderstorm 01-11-2010, 11:16 PM If you go to http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Access:_Granted, you can read a transcript of Damon and Carlton giving definitive answers on certain subjects--one of them being whether or not Walt was the one who was communicating with Michael. I think I must have read this before, because they talk about the possibility of Walt using psychic powers to communicate through the computer, and that's probably where I got the idea from. At any rate, I highly recommend that everybody give that a read-through because it's very handy being given some answers about things we've seen on the show, but for which the show itself has been ambiguous about the meaning behind them. Following is the excerpt about Walt:
That's definitely interesting. They also joke about Walt's height and this is given (these days) as the reason he was put on the back burner. So while this was two years ago, they didn't seem to be distancing themselves from Walt like they do these days. And these days, it seems like we probably won't see Walt again.
I think they'll use someone else (Zach and Emma?) to explain Walt's abilities anyhow.
They had the perfect way to bring him back to the Island and didn't.
psychic trout 01-12-2010, 12:11 PM It may be that Walt was going to be "a candidate" but that the Others were freaked at his dark side... what he did with his ability ...
I think it's Lucidity, but someone had/has a great theory that the castaways are younger versions of their same sex parent... which might be how Walt typed the message... it was really Michael typing or psychically typing to himself?
What of the blood they took from Michael and then from Sawyer, Kate, and Jack? I'm guessing they took samples from Walt, Claire, Aaron, Charlie (by Ethan) and Sun (by Juliet) too. Why did they want their blood?
DNA analysis, looking for markers and trying to figure out whom are descendents of the original "gods" of Atlantis/Lemuria. The rules don't apply to them and they will make up the warriors in the coming war.
I think Walt's declining involvement in the show is a result of his growing from a cute adolescent to a strapping teenager. Now that he's grown, I don't think his acting skills have kept pace and would be out of kilter with the rest of the cast. So they have simply limited his role.
BigFoot 01-13-2010, 11:23 AM the quote from Damon and Carlton ready doesn't prove to me that he was on the computer or the one typing to Michael. I still think it was Ben or an Other that was telling him what to do.
Was the scene with Ben and Julie talking about Walt (Room 23 scene) before or after Michael was typing? If it was after then I would have to think it was Ben typing to get Michael to come back and get Walt off the island because Walt was scaring everyone and killing birds. Also, I hope that they explain that scene. I really want to know how and what Walt was doing to scare everyone and set of the alarms so many times.
Could the bird thing with Walt be connected with the Hurley Bird? If you think about it one of Walts best friends was Hurley.
Ray - Someone above mentioned that the scene was just for the shoes. They could have done just about anything for that scene with the shoes? Like Jack goes home and finds a pair of shoes in his closet or something on that lines. Or the whole was just to get us to think that Ray has something to do with the island?. Considering the line about he was going to run away and never be found again. And it was just around the time of the Flight going back to the island.
Thunderstorm 01-13-2010, 12:42 PM It makes a ton more sense to me if Mikhail is typing that message to Michael, while observing him from the Pearl but the statement above by DL was after the 'Pearl' had been revealed. No reason to not admit it at that point.
simone5p 01-13-2010, 01:35 PM the quote from Damon and Carlton ready doesn't prove to me that he was on the computer or the one typing to Michael. I still think it was Ben or an Other that was telling him what to do.
I just read this, but now I've forgotten where! But... according to MDK, the actor who plays Walt, during the scenes surrounding Shannon's death where Walt tells her not to push the button, "button bad"... and his whisper that "they're coming and they're close" were messages Walt was trying to send "but they kinda came at the wrong time."
I'm not sure what to make of that, other than it gives another example of the "record skipping" or time out of sync.... and points to someone able to manipulate the "recording" by splicing in information...
Could the bird thing with Walt be connected with the Hurley Bird? If you think about it one of Walts best friends was Hurley. Cool association... Walt and birds... perhaps the Hurley bird (Walt) wanted Hurley, et al. to look up
Because that north/up message is woven in so many places... Eko's stick, the names Norris, Norwood, etc., the compass... first Sayid questions Locke's gift because it doesn't seem to point north, then Richard comments that the compass Locke gave him in 1954 still points north... Tawaret, the statue, is the godess of pregnancy, fertility, and the northern horizon...
Are the four toes for N, E, S, W?
Come to think of it, I just noticed that Charlie's ring (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/a/a7/5x16_FindingTheRing.jpg) is also a "compass."
I haven't looked at an Island map, is there anything "north" ... like the statue, the Black Rock?
Ray - Someone above mentioned that the scene was just for the shoes. They could have done just about anything for that scene with the shoes? Like Jack goes home and finds a pair of shoes in his closet or something on that lines. Or the whole was just to get us to think that Ray has something to do with the island?. Considering the line about he was going to run away and never be found again. And it was just around the time of the Flight going back to the island.Yes, the fact that Margo would include shoes as something her estranged father-in-law would particularly want of his son's effects is odd enough, but that he packed said shoes for his get away is stranger still... I think the shoes are a clue to idenitity...maybe Ray is Jack... Jack put his own white shoes on Christian.
Ray is definitely analogue to RA, the sun god or...Richard Alpert. In Star Wars, Queen Amadala, uses proxies so that she is free to travel about as Padme... could it be that Richard is more important than Jacob? He points out he doesn't answer to Charles, Ellie, or Jacob when he decides to save boy Ben.
Back to the shoes... I wondered this... we don't know yet if deadLocke is still wearing the shoes, but FLocke is shown with them... along with the same clothing. When we see CS as the white rabbit, he's definitely wearing the white shoes, yet we see one of them hanging in a tree... so if Flocke took the shoes off deadLocke, it might indicate the nature of Flocke.
rocker 01-13-2010, 01:59 PM I think they think they have setteled the Walt issue and basically ended it. Maybe we'll get a touch more on Walt. As for the shoes, they were weird to give CS's father, and weirder still that he kept them. I think we'll fidn out both Ray and Christian were on the island in the past. but, about Flockes shoes, don't the clothes just go with the body when he takes over. Otherwise why was Flocke not naked, or John's body for that matter?
Hildy 01-15-2010, 07:56 PM I just read this, but now I've forgotten where! But... according to MDK, the actor who plays Walt, during the scenes surrounding Shannon's death where Walt tells her not to push the button, "button bad"... and his whisper that "they're coming and they're close" were messages Walt was trying to send "but they kinda came at the wrong time."
I’ve read that somewhere too (and similarly can’t remember where!), and a thought just occurred to me - I think Walt’s messages are quite literally backwards. Let me show you what I mean ..
1) Walt appears to Shannon in the tent in the middle of the night and whispers (backwards): “They’re coming and they’re close.” Note that Shannon then screams and everyone comes running.
2) Walt appears again later, just before Shannon is shot by A-L: “Sssh”.
Walt’s information doesn’t make sense. Now swap his “dialogue” between the two scenes and see if it makes any more sense given the circumstances of each scene.
It reminds me of the classic Morecambe & Wise comedy sketch with Andre Previn: “I”m playing the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order!”.
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Coyote 01-16-2010, 04:24 PM I think they think they have setteled the Walt issue and basically ended it.
I'm not so sure. Why the mobisode in regards to Walt's for the 4th season box set alluding to his special powers if they were tying him off?
I still think there will be some resolution to Walt as an integral part of the show's mythology - if not the story, if you follow. The scene that keeps coming back to me is Locke and Walt's first meeting, where Locke explains "the oldest game in the world", obstensibly backgammon, Light vs. Dark. Jacob vs. MIB, anyone? And if Locke is now MIB . . .
Might be way off, but just a thought.
koralis 01-17-2010, 01:54 PM I think they think they have setteled the Walt issue and basically ended it. Maybe we'll get a touch more on Walt. As for the shoes, they were weird to give CS's father, and weirder still that he kept them. I think we'll fidn out both Ray and Christian were on the island in the past. but, about Flockes shoes, don't the clothes just go with the body when he takes over. Otherwise why was Flocke not naked, or John's body for that matter?
The shoes... another allusion to the Wizard of Oz? There's no place like home (the island/?)
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