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Well here we are again a week later and the show isn't any better then last week. I'm forty minutes in and we got more questions again. Claire looking for Aaron, and introducing Jack's son is insane. I think Seinfeld had it right when he went out on top, this season is dragging their legacy threw the mud.

Claire becoming a murderer just completely ruined the episode for me, so to say I didn't love it is an understatement. Jack not caring about finding Claire earlier didn't help matters, but now it doesn't matter as there can be no redeeming her.

Didn't hate it, but definitely didn't love it. Besides Claire and the magic mirror, it was kind of dull.

man, what a letdown
stop telling me "the time for questions is over" when all you do is bring up new ones without answering ANYTHING.

the episode was ridiculous. Jack has a son. yay, who cares. Claire is inexplicably a jungle survival and foraging expert. I guess the sickness also gives you hunting and tracking abilities in addition to making you evil. Oh wait, that wouldn't explain how Hurley can track halfway across the island using a note written on his arm.
Oh and how about a giant lighthouse that is walking distance from the losties cave camp, that we have never ever seen before. I don't care if Jack asked that exact question on screen, it doesn't excuse the complete implausibility of it.

and great, we get some magic mirrors in a magic lighthouse built by magic elves in la la land. ok, so that explains how jacob knows about these people and how the numbers correspond with their names.... oh wait no it doesn't...

I really hate posting in these threads but LOST is continuing to dive off a really steep cliff so it's becoming easier..

I hated Season 5 as a whole, it was a wasted opportunity that could have used the time travel device more effectively to answer complete questions about the Dharma Initiative, the Others and I dunno maybe the Island in general. Instead we still don't really know anything about Dharma, the Others, Horace etc. I did however learn that the lame love triangle continues, intriguing characters like Faraday, Desmond or Charlotte were either killed for shock value or underused completely and that Phil is one of the most annoying characters to ever grace the screen.

So months go by, the premiere comes along and I'm treated to a great episode of LOST once again that gives me small hope for the last season and then the last three episodes happened.

Seriously, LOST what happened? You are in your last season, you can't string people along anymore. What has been the point of the last couple of episodes. Where are you going? Are you going to answer a complete question once? I am so sick of never getting a complete answer and raising ten new ones when we are this late in the game.

Signed

A once diehard fan of your show who know feels like he is doing chores

First time this season I'm writing here. I really enjoyed the 20 minutes of on-island action. Good stuff. However, the alternate timeline is such a waste! Still no clue about why we are wasting half of the last season on this garbage. The scene at the end with Jack's son was touching...BUT WHO CARES? I don't, it's the other timeline.

Jack tries to fix things and he has father issues. Oh, and did you know Kate runs away from things? I don't need to be told these things repeatedly.

I assume there's a point to the flash sideways. I assume the time lines will merge at some point. But do we need to spend so much time on the the flash sideways? They seem to be mostly filler. Jack has a son who plays piano. Great but I don't care. In fact, it's hard to care much about any of this since I don't know what I'm watching. Also, I get it, the flash sideways are chock full of this person and that person popping up in each other's lives. After awhile this isn't impressive any more and just becomes tedious and ridiculous.


Where did that lighthouse come from?

Jack: "How is it that we've never seen it before."
Hurley: "I Guess we weren't looking."

So having the characters acknowledge the stupidly of the lighthouse not being seen previously somehow makes it OK? Having the characters realize something in the plot is stupid doesn't make it less stupid.

The Lighthouse and the mirror contraption seems to be one of those "things" on Lost that they throw in and has no basis in reality. TPTB seem to just throw "magic thingys" into the plot... that somehow do something... for some reason. The audiences waits, thinking it will be explained, but it turns out it doesn't have to be explained. It's just a magic thingy.



Claire. What can I say. Island living has had a horrible effect on her hair-do. I find it hard to care about her, or whatever she is.


Kate. Oh, Kate. What are you doing? What's your plan exactly? What are you going to do once you find Claire? You're still going to be stuck on an island right? Why am I supposed to care about you?

Yeah, the exchange between Jack and Kate about Claire bugged me. First of all, Claire is Jack's sister and he doesn't seem to phased that she is alive on the island somewhere. I know Hurley is on a mission from Jacob, but you'd think he'd be more interested in what Jack said about Claire and would want to find her with Kate. Also, Jack didn't think to warn Kate that Claire might be dangerous, but instead he just gives a vague statement.

Other than that, I thought it was a great episode! I like the focus on the character stories as opposed to just answering questions. There's 2 months to go so I'm going to wait until then to judge whether the questions are adequately answered.

Jack smashing the magic mirror thing might be the most frustrating thing I've ever watched on television. We spent three seasons watching Jack single-mindedly and recklessly trying to get his people off the island and once he does, he comes to regret it so much that he goes back to the island to try set things right, because he believes he did something wrong, and he believes he needs to go back. After seeing the things he's seen and experienced the things he's experienced, you'd think he would be a little more thoughtful and contemplative, a little more patient, but nope! After two seconds up there, he's all WHY DO I SEE MY HOUSE? WHY ISN'T JACOB HERE? I WILL SMASH THIS AMAZING THING! So much for character development, I guess. What makes it worse is that Jacob.... apparently... wanted that to happen? Or something? So is someone coming to the island or not?

All of these characters acting so irrationally is really compromising the pay-off. None of it makes sense and so none of it ultimately matters. Why show this magic lighthouse if we're just going to see it smashed? Why go through the awkwardness of Hurley explaining why no one noticed the lighthouse if the whole affair was some convoluted scheme to teach Jack a lesson?

Remember when this show used to be fun?

..... WHY DO I SEE MY HOUSE? WHY ISN'T JACOB HERE? I WILL SMASH THIS AMAZING THING! So much for character development, I guess. What makes it worse is that Jacob.... apparently... wanted that to happen? Or something? So is someone coming to the island or not?

All of these characters acting so irrationally is really compromising the pay-off. None of it makes sense and so none of it ultimately matters. Why show this magic lighthouse if we're just going to see it smashed? Why go through the awkwardness of Hurley explaining why no one noticed the lighthouse if the whole affair was some convoluted scheme to teach Jack a lesson?

Remember when this show used to be fun?

Jack believed in destiny finally, that there was a purpose. Now he doesn't like that he's still getting toyed around with by the Others and add to that he just found out that Jacob has probably been watching him and manipulating his whole life. That would probably get me pretty angry too.

The alt timeline is AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. Even if they do merge the timelines at some point and in some clever way, they are spending WAY too much time on it in the meantime. I know I've heard the writers say that after around season 4, there wouldn't be any flashbacks/forwards that didn't have a direct connection to the primary plot and ending of the show. So, this is what we get?

-Kate is on the run (again).
-Locke is going to marry Helen, and she doesn't care that he's a parapalegic.
-Jack has a son, he plays piano,and Jack is going to be a better father than his father was.

So what? It's filler. It has nothing to do with the island, or Jacob, or the Smoke Monster, or Richard, or The Others. It's wasted screen time. This stuff would have been cute and touching in season one, but it has no place in season six, aka "the time for answers." It's like the writers forgot this was the final season. What a joke this has all become, sorry, but I feel like a raging Jack right about now.

Man, this is really frustrating. The show better pick it up fast, or it's going to be one of the worst series endings in the history of TV.

Jack believed in destiny finally, that there was a purpose. Now he doesn't like that he's still getting toyed around with by the Others and add to that he just found out that Jacob has probably been watching him and manipulating his whole life. That would probably get me pretty angry too.

But would you get so angry that you smashed a magical mirror that showed you images of your past? I mean you've just been lead to a magical artifact, like the Holy Grail, and you're just going to destroy it before you find out what it does and why it's doing it?

No real person would do that.

But would you get so angry that you smashed a magical mirror that showed you images of your past? I mean you've just been lead to a magical artifact, like the Holy Grail, and you're just going to destroy it before you find out what it does and why it's doing it?

No real person would do that.

Honestly, I couldn't see myself breaking something that magical. And I'm sure most people wouldn't. But how many situations of people do you know where they found out their whole lives were manipulated to go to this hell called an island, for an unknown purpose? It's hard to judge reactions when there is nothing to compare.
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The alt timeline is AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. Even if they do merge the timelines at some point and in some clever way, they are spending WAY too much time on it in the meantime. I know I've heard the writers say that after around season 4, there wouldn't be any flashbacks/forwards that didn't have a direct connection to the primary plot and ending of the show. So, this is what we get?

-Kate is on the run (again).
-Locke is going to marry Helen, and she doesn't care that he's a parapalegic.
-Jack has a son, he plays piano,and Jack is going to be a better father than his father was.

So what? It's filler. It has nothing to do with the island, or Jacob, or the Smoke Monster, or Richard, or The Others. It's wasted screen time. This stuff would have been cute and touching in season one, but it has no place in season six, aka "the time for answers." It's like the writers forgot this was the final season. What a joke this has all become, sorry, but I feel like a raging Jack right about now.

Man, this is really frustrating. The show better pick it up fast, or it's going to be one of the worst series endings in the history of TV.

I completely agree. Except for the worst series endings. They are spending way too much time on this timeline that no one cares about. The only points in the alternate timeline we've seen are that 1) everyone is still connected in the same ways and 2) there seems to be some leaking of timelines going on. We've known this since LA X and since then its just more of the same, "oh looks who's connected still." It's terrible. I hope there's some incredibly huge payoff for this epic waste of time.

The alt timeline is AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. Even if they do merge the timelines at some point and in some clever way, they are spending WAY too much time on it in the meantime.


The flash sideways are a bore.


13 episodes left = 9 1/2 hours of story

How much of that 9 1/2 hours is going to be devoted to more flash sideways? 4 hours? So what do you really have, something like 5 1/2 hours to resolve countless mysteries?

WHY DO I SEE MY HOUSE? WHY ISN'T JACOB HERE? I WILL SMASH THIS AMAZING THING!



Though I don't agree that this was by any means a terrible episode. That was hilarious.

Well, someone once told me back in season three (who quit watching then) that we're never going to get the answers to any of this, but I didn't agree. I wish I could tell him I told you so, but it's looking like more and more that'll he'll be right. Face it people we are watching just a bounch of writers trowing in alot of stuff and we're all buying it. It's what keeps the viewers watching. Do you honestly think they care in the end if we get the answers or not? I mean they did do atleast do something right is fool countless millions of people from 2004 to 2010. I'm at a point to where I dont even know if i want to watch it when it airs any longer, I might just DVR it and watch it when I need something to do.

I didn't think it was anywhere near as bad as "What Kate Did" but I did think the lighthouse mirror breaking was almost "Jump The Shark" territory, and an extremely contrived way to delay giving us answers.

The new-fangled timeline has been hit-or-miss for me. I liked that of the premiere and the Locke episode, not so much the Kate and Jack episode. It'll be interesting to see where they go with this reality, perhaps not so engrossing watching it unfold.

This episode would really have suffered without Hurley, Claire, and Jin.

Break it down!

- Nothing is answered in this episode
- Alternative timeline remains unnecessary and boring, eating up so much time that could have been spent productively, or entertainingly
- Drogen turns up off-island and talks to Jack. Not interesting, not necessary, just rubbish
- Hi Kate, see ya later - pointless
- Jin would have told Claire about Aaron right away, they drew it out and it was rubbish
- Claire talking about her "friend" - stupid way of speaking, just to build suspense - ooo who could that be? Amateurish
- Hurley and Jack walk through jungle, talking about season 1 - we already saw it, don't talk about it unless you have something to add. Waste of time
- Lighthouse, they would have seen it. Cloaking device? Whatever
- Jack needs to find out on his own, wooptydo, why's that?
- Magical Lighthouse is fine by me, thought it would have been interesting development, then Jack smashes it. I did find that entertaining in itself, but that device would have been integral to answering some more questions I imagine, now it is broke, and the reason for it being smashed is also rubbish
- People running from temple because it's not safe outside, Jacob tells Hurley it's not safe AT the temple, I don't know what I am supposed to think as I haven't seen evidence of anything in particular, so it's not like I can know who is lying or whatever. Just poor and tedious, nowhere has any feeling of atmosphere or danger really

etc

I am still watching this show so that by the end, I can say with certainty, that these last few seasons have been rubbish, and there was no plan in the beginning. I feel almost certain that this will be the case, as colin said, we have about 5 1/2 hours on the island left, so I don't really see how everything can be wrapped up satisfactorily.

You've all voiced my opinion so well.
man, what a letdown
-stop telling me "the time for questions is over" when all you do is bring up new ones without answering ANYTHING.
-the episode was ridiculous. Jack has a son. yay, who cares. ....
-and great, we get some magic mirrors in a magic lighthouse built by magic elves in la la land. ok, so that explains how jacob knows about these people and how the numbers correspond with their names.... oh wait no it doesn't...
I hated Season 5 as a whole, it was a wasted opportunity that could have used the time travel device more effectively to answer complete questions about the Dharma Initiative, the Others and I dunno maybe the Island in general. ..I did however learn that the lame love triangle continues, intriguing characters like Faraday, Desmond or Charlotte were either killed for shock value or underused completely and that Phil is one of the most annoying characters to ever grace the screen. Agreed. I didn't really need any further answers re: the D.I and it's members or about the characters you mentioned. Still, showing them in S5 gave us the gist of things and the setting and characters were at least fun to watch! Now....not.Seriously, LOST what happened? You are in your last season, you can't string people along anymore. What has been the point of the last couple of episodes. Where are you going? Are you going to answer a complete question once? I am so sick of never getting a complete answer and raising ten new ones when we are this late in the game. "This late in the game" is the point a lot of us seem to be making.Jack tries to fix things and he has father issues. Oh, and did you know Kate runs away from things? I don't need to be told these things repeatedly. Jack has a son who plays piano. Great but I don't care. ...Also, I get it, the flash sideways are chock full of this person and that person popping up in each other's lives. After awhile this isn't impressive any more and just becomes tedious and ridiculous.
Here's to the fans who are constantly demanding the show "be about the characters" be more "character driven" and TPTB who responded. They are great sci-fi mystery writers who were doing just fine. Now it seems they're trying too hard to be all things to all people. Remember when this show used to be fun?I miss LOST :frown:- Nothing is answered in this episode- Alternative timeline remains unnecessary and boring, eating up so much time that could have been spent productively, or entertainingly- Drogen turns up off-island and talks to Jack. Not interesting, not necessary, just rubbish- Hi Kate, see ya later - pointless- Jin would have told Claire about Aaron right away, they drew it out and it was rubbish- Claire talking about her "friend" - stupid way of speaking, just to build suspense - ooo who could that be? Amateurish- Hurley and Jack walk through jungle, talking about season 1 - we already saw it, don't talk about it unless you have something to add. Waste of time- Jack needs to find out on his own, wooptydo, why's that? - but that device would have been integral to answering some more questions I imagine, now it is broke, and the reason for it being smashed is also rubbish
- People running from temple because it's not safe outside, Jacob tells Hurley it's not safe AT the temple, I don't know what I am supposed to think as I haven't seen evidence of anything in particular, so it's not like I can know who is lying or whatever. .
Cmon Jin, you speak English now! "Wait, Claire! Don't worry, you're baby is safe. Your friends cared about him so much, that after you abandonned him in the jungle, they risked their lives to find you and when they couldn't they decided it best not to leave your baby alone to die. Instead, Kate has taken wonderful care of him for the three years up to the point that she left Aaron with your mother so she could risk her life, once again, and come BACK to this god forsaken just to find you."

The best part of the season has been getting on these boards and trying to piece together a sensible conclusion to the whole story. The one that we may not be seeing for another 10 or so more episodes.

Didn't love it, but didn't hate it either. I'm just frustrated with the season as a whole. But let's concentrate on what was wrong with this episode:

I just can't seem to bringt myself to like this season, even though I have been trying very hard. I feel like the story hasn't moved at all since the end of The Incident, Part 2. This episode Hurley and Jack hike across the jungle (just like Smocke and Sawyer did last week), they find some new mysterious place (just like Smocke and Sawyer did last week), they find out something relating to the numbers (just like Smocke and Sawyer last week), but in the end it doesn't mean anything, because Jacob was manipulating Hurley and Jack all the time.

The flash sideways just don't mean anything to me. Why should I give a damn about Jack's son this late in the game? Just because they throw in some character connections into the ALT storyline doesn't make it interesting or exciting. I really have to wonder what the writers were thinking when they came up with the idea to tell us slightly different versions of the S1 flashbacks this season. You'd think that at least one of them would realize how stupid that is.

The worst part of the episode was Jack smashing the mirrors. Nevermind the fact that it looked completely cheesy, it also shows how unwilling the writers are to give us any answers. Every time the characters stubmle upon something that might get them closer to realizing their fate is destroyed minutes later. Why should I even care anymore? It's so obvious that nothing even matters anymore. I bet they could just show us the finale now and we would still understand everything that is going on, even if we haven't seen the previous ten episodes.

The only plot I liked was the one with Claire, even though I'm starting to think that her absence is far less mysterious than we initially thought (just like pretty much everything else on the show). Judging by the way she tells everyone what happened to her I'm afraid that we won't even get a Claire-centric this season at all.

I just want the show to end already. I already feel stupid enough for believing that the writers could pull it off for so long. Until season five I really believed that we would get answers, then (about the time 316 aired) I realized that there wouldn't be enough time to answer all the questions and I accepted that, but now I'm pretty sure that they won't even be able to deal with the most important mysteries anymore. Five episodes into season six we pretty much don't know anything we didn't know before the season started.

But would you get so angry that you smashed a magical mirror that showed you images of your past? I mean you've just been lead to a magical artifact, like the Holy Grail, and you're just going to destroy it before you find out what it does and why it's doing it?

No real person would do that.
That was ridiculous, but so in character for Jack who has always been self-absorbed. At least all pretense was stripped away in this episode. By his own admission, HE was broken and he came back to the island because he thought it could fix HIM. Then, with the amazing lighthouse reveal he became all Me! Me! Me! again. Never mind all the other names written there. Did he even notice the names of some of his friends were there? I doubt it because he was too busy making the whole thing All. About. Him. Jack and his navel gazing got old 5 seasons ago... he hasn't grown a lick in this whole time. Poor burdened Jack. At this point, I hope he does get left behind as Jacob's replacement so that he can sit on the beach and pity himself for all eternity. It's the only fitting end for this whiny miserable soul IMO. I was actually finding the character sympathetic this season for the first time since S1. I'm over it now.

Other things I didn't like in the episode ... start with the lighthouse. That was so embarrassingly bad that I truly believe I could have done a better job with paper maché in my backyard.

Claire... There's nothing left of the girl we knew and I'm already over this new version.

The lighthouse reveal was awesome. Too bad the writers chose to have it discovered by Jack... just so he could destroy it in another one of his hissy fits. If any other character had discovered it, they might have asked intelligent questions and explored it a little. Too bad we'll never know.

Don't care about Alt-Jack. He has daddy issues. Now isn't that surprising? Not. Any 40 year old man who is still THAT crippled up with Daddy issues should have seen a therapist and resolved them a long time ago. I imagine I'm supposed to be thrilled that he got over himself enough to break through to his son, but since I was sick of Jack's Daddy issues back in S-1 and I don't even know his son, I was left paralyzed with not caring.

I'd give this episode a 3... but considering it was written by Darlton, I'm taking off a point because they should be capable of something much better than this at this stage.

That was ridiculous, but so in character for Jack who has always been self-absorbed. At least all pretense was stripped away in this episode. By his own admission, HE was broken and he came back to the island because he thought it could fix HIM. Then, with the amazing lighthouse reveal he became all Me! Me! Me! again. Never mind all the other names written there. Did he even notice the names of some of his friends were there? I doubt it because he was too busy making the whole thing All. About. Him. Jack and his navel gazing got old 5 seasons ago... he hasn't grown a lick in this whole time. Poor burdened Jack. At this point, I hope he does get left behind as Jacob's replacement so that he can sit on the beach and pity himself for all eternity. It's the only fitting end for this whiny miserable soul IMO. I was actually finding the character sympathetic this season for the first time since S1. I'm over it now.


i couldn't agree more. he never even stopped to ask, "hey whats #108?" and then when he smashed it, the writers didn't even decide to give us a shot of who 108 was. they really love drawing out mysteries to the point of making some of this painful to have to sit through.

I'd give this episode a 3... but considering it was written by Darlton, I'm taking off a point because they should be capable of something much better than this at this stage.

When we saw the credits and who wrote it and who directed it we thought, "This is gonna be a good one." Boy, were we disappointed.

This episode seemed disjointed. All the scenes were interesting to watch, but they just didn't seem to go anywhere.

I agree with all that has been said about this episode. We're very disappointed with this season so far. So much for the last season of what started out as a really great idea for a show.

Lost has become something else and the show "lost" its way about three seasons ago. How sad.

We watch the show now just to see what is going to happen, but we've totally separated ourselves from any emotional investment we once had in the show. Even the spoilers are not so exciting to read anymore.

i couldn't agree more. he never even stopped to ask, "hey whats #108?" and then when he smashed it, the writers didn't even decide to give us a shot of who 108 was. they really love drawing out mysteries to the point of making some of this painful to have to sit through.

I was yelling:"Show us 108! Show us 108!" at the TV...boy...That had to be the most frustrating scene of the series. So close to have something meaningful revealed and then pulling the rug was...infuriating. Actually, it was :censored: infuriating.

I hope the timelines merge...In season 5, things picked up a little after they returned to the Island via 316. We need an episode like that SOONER than later, the time for MORE mysteries is OVER! C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The way the show is revealing the answers, I'm guessing the final will have all the Losties sitting around a bonfire roasting marsmallows and asking Smocke wtf is going on. At least, we'd get some answers....I think...no? :biggrin:;)

Most of last nights episode I found myself frustrating-ly yelling at the tv. I don't usually do that. I am well aware of Jack's daddy issues. They remembered Adam and Eve, so that's one good point, but I am sick and tired of the "woe-is-me" character story of Jack. I'm struggling to comprehend why in the world anyone would find him important or interesting. He smashed the mirror because he didn't get his way. I'd spank my kids if they behaved like him. But wait they don't because they are 10. They know better than to throw baby fits when they don't get their way. Gheesh. And then for Jacob to act all "whatev" about is almost as aggravating. HE SMASHED YOUR MIRROR AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO CARE. WTF!!!!!! In the how many hundreds of years of Jacob bringing people to the island and using the mirror to guide them, and he basically shrugs his shoulders and says "oh well, it's all good" "Jack'll will be Jack" arrrrggggghhhhhh! This better be good, if not I'm gonna get real annoying. Jack needs to redeem himself, pronto. In 5 seasons I haven't seen him learn a thing. So he won't redeem himself, the series will end and Jack will remain unchanged. Great!

Last night was completely unsatisfying for me. One huge reason is no Sawyer, who has been the only character to consistently command my attention this season.

My emotional investment has drained from this show. I have thought the pacing was wonky and much of the writing implausible since Season 2 but everyone kept telling me there would be a huge payoff and it'd all be worth it. There's always been a theme of "Lost is for thinking people and if you dare to complain, you must be a low brow who needs lots of car chases and Michael Bay crap to be entertained." But in fact, the pace and structure of this show have always been uneven. I'm so disappointed that the last season - which I thought would be fast-paced and full of exciting reveals - is plodding along like it's on life support.

The Guardian (UK) just ran an article on 29 writers' rules for writing. One of them said something like it was her job to strap the reader in for the ride, give them a rollercoaster of ups and downs and twists and turns, then bring them in for a breathless, satisfied finish. I thought that was a great metaphor for good writing and it occurred to me that Lost has been more like a ride that will take you around a thrilling spin and then just kind of sit there for a really long time, and never once go into the cave you've spotted that looks so enticing. I hope this show picks up in the remaining episodes but at this point, I'm not the fan I used to be.

Didn't hate it, I'm waiting till the end of the series. If a significant number of questions are unanswered, I'll have another opinion of the show.

But anyway, I was thinking today about this thread, and I'm surprised no one has quoted Jacob yet:

"It only ends once. Anything before that is just filler."

But anyway, I was thinking today about this thread, and I'm surprised no one has quoted Jacob yet:

"It only ends once. Anything before that is just filler."

I actually posted that after last season's finale.

I'm over being frustrated with a lack of answers because I know that most of things fans obsess over are really irrelevant to the big picture, which they've pretty much given away but are stalling to confirm for sure.

The island is like Pandora's box, bottling up, or rather keeping in balance, the forces of evil in the world. Those forces are embodied in MiB and Jacob represents the jailer who keeps him bound to the island. Both, I believe, have had several human incarnations, but we've seen what they were like a century and a half ago in the beach scene. There are cosmic rules at play meant to assure this balance over the centuries. But it's boring, so the Jacob force keeps bringing in people to try to prove to the MiB force that he doesn't deserve to take over the earth because, for all the bad things humans do, they are redeemable. MiB, in turn, tricks and manipulates them until they fight, corrupt and destroy. Then time for the next round.

But Jacob has a second plan, to recruit a possible replacement, should MiB ever find his loophole. In the end we'll either see the cycle continue, with Jack (probably) replacing Jacob and stuck for eternity with MiB as Locke, or somehow the Losties will manage to sink the island and end the cycle. Questions about who built Taweret or who were Adam and Eve are just minor details in the game. But that doesn't take six years to reveal, so no one ever gives any answers just to keep us hooked before the five-minute big reveal.

And you should always understand that Jacob and MiB are stand-ins for Damon and Carlton and they've been messing with us in the audience the way the demi-gods have been messing with everyone brought to the island.

Cardie

The flash sideways are a bore.
Yes, they are. I sooooo do not care about anything in these annoying flash-sideways.

The entire episode was boring and frustrating, like most of season 6 so far.

I just didn't get anything out of this episode.

There has been way too many episodes where I'm left wondering what the point was and hoping it would mean something in the end but we're getting to the end of the run now and it's time to bombard us with answers.

And the sideways flashes? I'm finding them really boring. Jack now has a son? It's too far out from the original story to be interesting.

I hope they bring it back to end on a high.

My emotional investment has drained from this show. I have thought the pacing was wonky and much of the writing implausible since Season 2 but everyone kept telling me there would be a huge payoff and it'd all be worth it. There's always been a theme of "Lost is for thinking people and if you dare to complain, you must be a low brow who needs lots of car chases and Michael Bay crap to be entertained." But in fact, the pace and structure of this show have always been uneven. I'm so disappointed that the last season - which I thought would be fast-paced and full of exciting reveals - is plodding along like it's on life support.

My thoughts exactly. I said after the S2 finale that this show had jumped the shark. But I stuck with it because I was told there was a grand plan and everything would make sense. We are FIVE episodes into S6 and I am convinced now more than ever that someone, somewhere is making this up as they go along. The flash-sideways just screams, "We don't have enough material to focus on the island!" So we're stuck with a "character driven" story that's the same story we've been watching on island since 2004. This was one of the most boring episodes of Lost ever. I'm so disappointed. :frown:

We are FIVE episodes into S6 and I am convinced now more than ever that someone, somewhere is making this up as they go along.

My thoughts exactly. I feel like I've been lied to for six years. I almost wish they would come out and say "We're sorry but we don't know what the hell we're doing or where we are going" I'd still be mad but at least I could go "Oh, that's why,"

I feel like since Season 5, LOST is like that person who procrastinates and doesn't get their homework done even though they have a week to do it. They wait and wait and finally on the last day they realize they're screwed and they have four essays unfinished.

They keep stonewalling even though it's the last season. Why else would they continue to be cryptic about things? Newsflash! Damon & Carlton it's not Season 1 anymore.

I feel like in the last episode it's going to have be some huge press conference for two hours where Hanso, the Degroots, whomever answers every single question. Or worse, it will end like every other episode of LOST, nothing happens. Cue to five years later when the book comes out promising the long awaited answers.

I'm just so disappointed with the show's continued dalliance of anything relevant. When shows like Desperate Housewives and Prison Break are revealing more mysteries then you are its time to step up the game.

I used to love this show once. I really did.

In the immortal words of Hugo "Hurley" Reyes.

"I want some friggin answers!

I feel like in the last episode it's going to have be some huge press conference for two hours where Hanso, the Degroots, whomever answers every single question. Or worse, it will end like every other episode of LOST, nothing happens. Cue to five years later when the book comes out promising the long awaited answers.



Or we'll get one last Orientation video by Dharma that tells all about the island with clips of interviews with other people.

For all the theories about long cons being played, I think the one I most believe is that a long con has been played on us, the audience, who keep believing that there will be some payoff in the end.

It seems like the writers are sloughing off questions with overly-simplistic answers and hoping the audience remains spellbound. Last week it was "Jacob had a thing for numbers"; this week Hurley tells Jack they never saw a lighthouse that was right under their collective noses because they "weren't looking for it." Maybe next week they'll give us a pat answer for the conundrum of the noise made by the tree that falls in the forest when no one is there to hear it. But what's the point in debating whether the glass is half empty or half full when what I really ordered was a cheeseburger?

Claire is the new Danielle- crazy, living by herself on the Island looking for her child. Got it. Who cares? We get to see her kill some idiot with an axe. Great- we are back to 10th grader slasher movie mentality. Tip for the writers: this kind of crap has no impact at all on a viewer with an IQ over 75. No shock; no awe; just a roll of the eyes, a shake of the head and a possible laugh at the stupidity of it all.

So, we finally got an answer on what the numbers are all about. The numbers correspond to the degrees on the dial contraption- a play on the whole 6 degrees of separation thing. That’s great. Anyone satisfied with the answer?

We waited 4 seasons (from when the numbers were introduced) to discover that Jacob can see Jack’s life (I’m assuming he can see more than just his house) if he sets this thing to 23 degrees. So, this allows him to manipulate Jack’s life and “push” him to the Island how? Jacob has the “power” to somehow not only manipulate Jack’s life, but also all of those he interacts with? Because if he can’t manipulate the lives all of those he interacts with, they are saying that Jack and the rest of the “candidates” have no free will, which is ludicrous. Jack’s entire relationship with his father and his father’s entire life were all just part of Jacob manipulating them, now? After all, this is how Jack ended up in Sydney- looking for his dad. So what, Jacob got Christian to become an alcoholic, kill a patient, get turned in by Jack, lose his license, and go to Sydney on a bender to look for Claire, forcing Jack’s mom to plead with Jack to bring his dad home, Jack agrees, finds his dad in the morgue, gets on #815 with the coffin and Jacob somehow makes the plane come to the Island and blow up in midair? Are they serious? This is the big mystery? If Jacob has all this power, he can’t come up with a more efficient means of achieving his goal- whatever that might be? For someone / something so wise with so much power, he sure seems like a moron to me.

I will give them credit for one thing, though. I believe for the first time they introduced a question and gave us the answer to that question in the SAME episode (Claire’s “friend”)! Didn’t come close to saving the episode for me, however.

We watch the show now just to see what is going to happen, but we've totally separated ourselves from any emotional investment we once had in the show. Even the spoilers are not so exciting to read anymore.

I wish I could emotionally devest myself from the show already, it would be soooooo helpful.

Anyways, somehow I just realized one of THE most insulting things about the show this season:
The pandering to the "casual" audience. I mean, come on, it's the FINAL season. This is the one season where the casual audience doesn't mean diddly squat. It's not like you need their ratings to put you back on next year.
Not to mention that the ONLY reason the show is still on is because of the devoted obsessed fan portion of the audience. We are the only ones keeping them afloat. The casual viewers dipped out on the show after season 2.

Well to be fair, they've also given us obssessives shout outs, scenes and clues that hark back to S1 etc. Like the ceramic rabbit last night, or the woman working for Hurley (Fortune teller in TTID) etc. But yes, I can see where they're also trying to please casual viewers by some glaringly obvious stuff.

Very disappointing episode. I'd say useless. We didn't get any good info nor answers here. Jacob only wanted to make Jack watch the ocean and realise he has something important to do?! For God's sake, we're in the last season, If he doesn't that already I don't think he's gonna realise it just now. Is ther any other purpose in this episode really?

It is frustrating,I'll admit. But ignoring the FS story may be a mistake because I think we're in for a lot more of it. I used to FF through but realized I'd be missing half the storyline since TPTB said it's important..
But I agree with the casual fan thing. There are no casual fans left so why are they playing to them?

I dont buy that reboot theory. Sorry.

On another note, man, I sure didn't love this episode.

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Having said that, I did not love the episode. I went in with low expectations because it is a Jack episode and he does nothing for me as a character. He smashed possibly the only source for us to get any answers and didn't think to ask the right questions.

It didn't help that Sawyer was not in this episode because I missed him, lol. I also find Claire's storyline uninspired and boring.

Alas, again I find myself in the didn't love it thread. I really had high hopes for this episode, but all of that was dashed when some kid I didn't know called Jack dad. I don't care about this kid, I wish I did as I think that it would make this episode more fulfilling, but I just don't. Oh, I'm sure that someone some where will argue that it'll all make sense in the end and will be worth it. My response- I don't care. TPTB could tell the flash-sideways story in a way that was gripping and interesting. But they don't even bother.

I thought the pacing was off. Some parts were really slow (walking in the jungle) and some parts were just so quickly done (lighthouse) that I felt rushed. Why oh why introduce the lighthouse and mirrors if Jack was just going to destroy it minutes later? Why bother?

You know what, I just don't care anymore. I can't believe I have been so invested in this show and I allowed it to eat up so much of my time. It's not even about getting answers anymore. How 'bout some decent storytelling? Some drama with characters I care about or are written so that I could sympathize with them? Some action? Some decent dialogue? Why is the writing crap all of a sudden?


Alright, fine. Next week I'll just DVR it and watch it when nothing else is on.

After this episode I could pinpoint what has been bugging me since the season started. I feel incredibly stupid for having watched this show for this long expecting anything more clever than demi-gods (!?) fighting a battle of good vs evil. Tell me about cliche.
BSG vibes all over.

Not to mention that insulting twittering of a few days ago.

Oh, well. Time to move on.

Claire axe-murdering that Other ... that was nasty, gratuitous, and a real turn-off. :mad:

I am on the "Middle of the Road" board because I liked a lot of this ep, however...Fair to say: On that Axe Murdering point. That was uncalled for. Are we now supposed to feel for this woman? They're now treating people's death like it's nothing. Okay, I swallowed 40 some odd survivors being killed offscreen without anyone caring, but that murder by a supposed hero character made Dexter seem somewhat loving.....

...and she better have to answer for it, like Michael, or the show is just throwing in violence for it's own sake.

After this episode I could pinpoint what has been bugging me since the season started. I feel incredibly stupid for having watched this show for this long expecting anything more clever than demi-gods (!?) fighting a battle of good vs evil. Tell me about cliche.I couldn't have said it better. No wonder the last three seasons have had so many "setting up the pieces" episodes. Turns out that's literally all that's been happening the entire time...

I really am starting to not care at all about the inevitable ending of lost where jack is the leader of everything. its pointless to pursue the fact that "all my questions will be answered" where it is obvious that this will NOT happen.

I just want the question answered of why was walt so special? and how does he tie into having special powers that the others had to let him go.

Give me a break.

Lost, you continue to be ridiculous.
After reading the writer credits, I had hopes of this ep being at least a lil better than the previous ones. Alas! Darlton's writing has stooped low as well.

- Trudging along for the sake of it.

I did like the episode, but did not love it. I keep having these deja vu feelings, about a Star Trek episode where good/matter twin spends eternity fighting his bad/antimatter bro so as to keep the universe safe.
and would someone pretty please remove the wise/sad/sympathetic frown from Jacobs face... it is more annoying than sawyers perpetual angry frown.

You're right, annie, and at least Lazarus didn't try to recruit Kirk to take his place.

Cardie

And at least the Lazarus guys were, you know, twins.

Now we have the darker guy who dresses in dark clothes, has a black smoke persona, and is the baaaadie. The blondie in white clothes is the goodie. oh, tptb boys, could you be less, well, waaaay less obvious? black is bad, white is good. and, of course, females (that means women, right?) are not invited to the endgame.

You see, when I started to watch Lost I was atracted by the idea of a huge cast, more or less gender-balanced, in a uninhabited island. So I thought that would lead to true human interaction in an environment without material culture trappings. A real reset. My first major disapointment, of course, was case full of guns and, later, with the hatch, an apparently inexhaustible arsenal (I sincerely hate guns and though that in a desert island there would be none :doh:). And later, the obvious pleasure with which the author slaughtered the majority of the women in the cast.

I expected more more than a trite bad guy/good guy show.

However, I still hope to be proved wrong and the authors bring some unexpected but well deserved surprise. :shakehead:

Im really disappointed in this season. I really really dont give a crap about the alternate time line what so ever. I care about the island and the "Game" the part of the show. The part that is the puzzle and the reason we are all so dedicated to watching... I dont give a crap about the characters in life #2!! Maybe if it made any sense at all. The moment that did it for me was Jin in the meat locker... seriously?! Are you kidding me... just so so so lame!!

So out the hour that I sat there watching this... (so many commercials) the show is half filled with this lame time line I care nothing about. I was left with maybe 10-15 mins of show I was actually into.. the rest of the time I was hardly even paying attention...Its so upsetting

It seems like the writers are sloughing off questions with overly-simplistic answers and hoping the audience remains spellbound. Last week it was "Jacob had a thing for numbers"; this week Hurley tells Jack they never saw a lighthouse that was right under their collective noses because they "weren't looking for it." Maybe next week they'll give us a pat answer for the conundrum of the noise made by the tree that falls in the forest when no one is there to hear it. But what's the point in debating whether the glass is half empty or half full when what I really ordered was a cheeseburger?
:roflmao:

Perfect.

Makes me long for the days when they were just looking for water.