Any thoughts as to why:

He wants to go home.
Why he hasn't gone, left the island yet
Where that home is
How long has he been away, and how he knows "home" is still there?

Any thoughts as to why:

He wants to go home.
Why he hasn't gone, left the island yet
Where that home is
How long has he been away, and how he knows "home" is still there?




He hates all the humans on earth.
His spaceship is buried.
In a galaxy far far away.
Home is always there if you can control your location in time.

I'm thinking home is actually the temple... only because we've seen smokey there (or outside the walls at least) in Jin's trip there with young Danielle.
Maybe he was somehow evicted by the Others or Jacob? I dunno.

When Flocke said he wanted to go home my first thought was, another planet. But it could be anything.

It was an interesting comment since right before it he made it sound like everyone else was crazy for wanting to go home to their sad, insignificant lives.

In these tough times...MIB lost his home (the temple) to foreclosure and wishes he could go back..but now the new owners are telling him not a chance we got a killer pool here. :biggrin:

It was an interesting comment since right before it he made it sound like everyone else was crazy for wanting to go home to their sad, insignificant lives.

I got the same feeling when he said that too. Like everyone had meaningless lives, and they should have been so lucky to be on that island. Almost like he was doing everyone a favor by taking them away from their lives...

Maybe his home is Kansas.... I really don't know. I suspect we won't know until the finale.`

Maybe his home is Kansas.... I really don't know. I suspect we won't know until the finale.`

LOL! You may be right. They do put a lot of Wizard of Oz references in the show.:biggrin:

When Flocke said he wanted to go home my first thought was, another planet. But it could be anything.

There was a time when I would have thought no way to another planet theory. But now - I'm open to anything. The Little Prince?

In these tough times...MIB lost his home (the temple) to foreclosure and wishes he could go back..but now the new owners are telling him not a chance we got a killer pool here. :biggrin:

Too funny. :biggrin:

I got the same feeling when he said that too. Like everyone had meaningless lives, and they should have been so lucky to be on that island. Almost like he was doing everyone a favor by taking them away from their lives...

Yeah, that was pompous of him. Hurley didn't have a miserable life. Sayid was going to find Nadia and hopefully reunite with her. Jack was a little messed up from his daddy issues but not so much that he couldn't get past them. Sawyer has a good sense of humor despite killing the wrong guy. :biggrin:

when MIB says he wants to go home, he means he wants to get back to his timeline..........I think he is stuck in this timeline and he hates it......in his timeline he is king or ruler

Sawyer has a good sense of humor despite killing the wrong guy. :biggrin:

Man if I had a nickel for everytime I killed the wrong guy....

Ok "Flocke" and jacob that sort of had the good vs evil analogy/theme in the season 5 finale.
Maybe hes like an antichrist or something,maybe even the devil or some other (egyptian?) religions version of such an entity,and he wants to return to the earthly plane from wich he was banished yadayadayada you get the point..

Ok "Flocke" and jacob that sort of had the good vs evil analogy/theme in the season 5 finale.
Maybe hes like an antichrist or something,maybe even the devil or some other (egyptian?) religions version of such an entity,and he wants to return to the earthly plane from wich he was banished yadayadayada you get the point..

Well we've seen it done in some apocalyptic stories where the plot is the devil trying to enter heaven again after being banished. This could be one of those cases, smokey doesnt necessarily have to be the devil...just some supernatural entity that is forbidden from returning to paradise.

If he does, the Island sinks under the sea? :biggrin:

E.T. phone home ♥

In these tough times...MIB lost his home (the temple) to foreclosure and wishes he could go back..but now the new owners are telling him not a chance we got a killer pool here. :biggrin:
:23wtp28_jpg: That made me laugh!

But seriously, maybe it is the temple. He was there when Danielle's team was sucked into the hole. And the Temple Others were in furious lockdown mode with the putting out of fires and sprinkling ash around to keep Smokey out.

In The Incident, MIB asks Jacob, "Do you know how badly I want to kill you?" Maybe by killing Jacob, it's the only way he can go "home". He's been stuck because he can't kill Jacob himself. But he found his loophole by playing puppet master with Ben.

Why could MIB have gone to the temple before? Previously, Jacob was in his cabin, barred by the ring of dust, assuming to keep MIB out. However, there was no such ring in the temple, or when the Temple-Others found out that Jacob had been killed, they wouldn't have had to create one.

MIB/Smokey sucked Danielle's team into the hole in the Temple. He ripped off Montand's (is that the right name?) arm. So he was there at some time before the Temple Others set up camp there.

So he was there at some time before the Temple Others set up camp there. We never saw the inside though, it's possible that the temple others had been there at that point. It was only 16 years prior to our timeline.

I don't know why I feel this way, but if the ultimate story arc involves aliens somehow, or Atlantis, I will really be disappointed. It seems just way too cheesey to me.

I just keep remembering the fist season commentaries that they made stating that they had the major story and "mystery" decided upon after the first weekend while writing a treament for ABC. Whatever it is, they didn't make it up as the series was going but really, aliens.... really? Yeesh

I'm guessing the story is more "Dark Tower" they are stuck forever in a time loop than anything.

I think "home" could be back to the world outside the island - with all of the religious symbolism if Smock (Smokey + Locke - ha!) represents destiny or fate or evil then it's mankind that are "fallen" now due to his influence and Jacob is trying to prove that they can be saved (via freewill or grace?).
Or people are "fallen" due to bad choices - ruled by Smock
But can be "saved" due to good choices - ruled by Jacob?
Somehow Smock is trapped on the island and can't get his rule established in the world.

OH, who knows!!! Anyway, I don't want it to be aliens!!! :frown:

Since the beginning, I always felt these two (Jacob and Smoky) were banished to the island. They hate each others company because they've been there so long, playing with any person they can get to the island.
I always felt that maybe they were Gods who were somehow, made to stay on the island.
Maybe that's where Smoky wants to go back to. To get off the island permanently.

We never saw the inside though, it's possible that the temple others had been there at that point. It was only 16 years prior to our timeline.I never really considered that. It is a big freaking temple.

Jacob: You play on your side, I'll play on mine.

MIB: But you've got the pool on your side! No fair!

:biggrin:

Since the beginning, I always felt these two (Jacob and Smoky) were banished to the island. They hate each others company because they've been there so long, playing with any person they can get to the island.
I always felt that maybe they were Gods who were somehow, made to stay on the island.
Maybe that's where Smoky wants to go back to. To get off the island permanently.
So home is Vahalla? ;)

As we saw in LAX. the hole the French team got sucked into (and where our Losties went down) was actually an outer wall with tunnels below. So Smokey may have been relegated to the outer wall, and not allowed in the Temple.

In some future time and perhaps location, Jacob is the "jailer" and MIB the "prisoner" serving out his sentence on the Island with the caviat that he can be released back into society if he can be rehabilitated by Jacob. It requires that he come to realize human beings do have redemptive qualities, that people can change and that free will supercedes preordination. MIB isn't ready yet - he stated last season that "its always the same outcome", but Jacob said "there is only one outcome, everything else is progress". The 815er's, the Others and the Black Rock surviviors are just the tools that Jacob is using to rehab MIB and get his life sentence commuted.....IMO. :cool:
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In some future time and perhaps location, Jacob is the "doctor" and MIB the "criminally insane patient" commited to a time travel asylum that is the Island with the caviat that he can be released back into society if he can be rehabilitated by Jacob. It requires that he come to realize human beings do have redemptive qualities, that people can change and that free will supercedes preordination. MIB isn't ready yet - he stated last season that "its always the same outcome", but Jacob said "there is only one outcome, everything else is progress". The 815er's, the Others and the Black Rock surviviors are just the tools that Jacob is using to rehab MIB and get his life sentence commuted.....IMO.

:cool:

I believe home is off the island, whether it is in the real world, another planet or a parallel universe, it is still unknow. But I have no doubt that the way out of the island for Smokie is through the Temple. That is why it is so heavily guarded.

I don't know why I feel this way, but if the ultimate story arc involves aliens somehow, or Atlantis, I will really be disappointed. It seems just way too cheesey to me.

I just keep remembering the fist season commentaries that they made stating that they had the major story and "mystery" decided upon after the first weekend while writing a treament for ABC. Whatever it is, they didn't make it up as the series was going but really, aliens.... really? Yeesh

I'm guessing the story is more "Dark Tower" they are stuck forever in a time loop than anything.

I think "home" could be back to the world outside the island - with all of the religious symbolism if Smock (Smokey + Locke - ha!) represents destiny or fate or evil then it's mankind that are "fallen" now due to his influence and Jacob is trying to prove that they can be saved (via freewill or grace?).
Or people are "fallen" due to bad choices - ruled by Smock
But can be "saved" due to good choices - ruled by Jacob?
Somehow Smock is trapped on the island and can't get his rule established in the world.

OH, who knows!!! Anyway, I don't want it to be aliens!!! :frown:

I'm with you on the Dark Tower analogy, but you're missing part of the point of the ending of the series. Everything Roland went through was not a solution to the problem that all existence faced, it was merely a step towards the solution. There were two key differences at the end of the series: first, Roland had the horn of Arthur Eld that he had lost waaaay back in the day, and second, Roland had an inkling that not only had everything happened before, but that his current possession of the horn was a difference. I think seasons 1-5 were pretty much in the Dark Tower mindset, whereas season 6 will go beyond that and show the ramifications of reaching the tower/blowing up the island, and the final step of the pieces being in the right place with the knowledge, ability, and drive they need to finally achieve what it is they are supposed to achieve.

As for Smokey, I'm leaning more and more toward a Lucifer-style boot out of paradise. From that perspective the whole Adam and Eve discovery and the healing spring sure give the island an Eden feel.

I'm taking a religious stance here and saying the MIB is Lucifer and Jacob is either God or God's right hand angel. If the MIB is Lucifer then he got thrown out of hevan and maybe that's the home he wants to go back to.
Plus, I find it an interesting parallel that while Sayid was dying he says that he's tortured so many people that the place he's going can't be good (insinuating hell).
Also, Mr. Eko was killed by Smokie/MIB for no reason, yet Mr. Eko was the most religious/bible quoting man on the island. Maybe Smokie/MIB was sick of listening to his religious talk.
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I'm taking a religious stance here and saying the MIB is Lucifer and Jacob is either God or God's right hand angel. If the MIB is Lucifer then he got thrown out of hevan and maybe that's the home he wants to go back to.
Plus, I find it an interesting parallel that while Sayid was dying he says that he's tortured so many people that the place he's going can't be good (insinuating hell).
Also, Mr. Eko was killed by Smokie/MIB for no reason, yet Mr. Eko was the most religious/bible quoting man on the island. Maybe Smokie/MIB was sick of listening to his religious talk.

I thought, at first, that home for MIB was the Temple. Now, I believe it's somewhere off the Island and even off of Earth and that he and Jacob have been exiled to this Island like Widmore's been exiled off the Island.

MIB/Smokey sucked Danielle's team into the hole in the Temple. He ripped off Montand's (is that the right name?) arm. So he was there at some time before the Temple Others set up camp there.

That was just a hole in the temple WALL. The temple itself is a half-mile further inside. Still, it is pretty close proximity. In my Smokey-centric thread, I am wondering why Smokey would inhabit an area so close to the bastion of Jacob's followers. Why, especially, would he appear to be protecting this area sometimes?

I wondered why he could be in the Temple wall but couldn't get nearer to the Temple as well. I guess, to him, the Temple is sacred still and only certain people should be allowed to get near it. OR maybe the wall is his domain at the moment since he probably can't get into the Temple. That doesn't explain why the Natives are allowed to go into the wall and retrieve the Losties though so I'm back to be confused...

I wondered why he could be in the Temple wall but couldn't get nearer to the Temple as well. I guess, to him, the Temple is sacred still and only certain people should be allowed to get near it. OR maybe the wall is his domain at the moment since he probably can't get into the Temple. That doesn't explain why the Natives are allowed to go into the wall and retrieve the Losties though so I'm back to be confused...

Did you notice the water surrounding the Temple? Perhaps that is what keeps him at bay?
Anyway, judging by the superothers reaction after knowing Jacob was dead, they are expecting the Smoke Monster to attack the Temple any time now.
Now, if you add Smokie-Locke's quote that he wants to go 'home', I bet that the way to his home is through the Temple. While, Jacob was alive, he couldn't actually get near enough the Temple, but now that he is dead, he can, and he will try to.

the question now is WHAT is the Temple for?
And now that we are in full science fiction mode, I bet that we are talking about another dimension/universe.

We witness the Swan's powers to make people's minds time travel
We witness the Orchid's powers to make people's bodies phisically time travel
We will witness the Temple's powers to make people and smoke monsters CROSS dimensons and parallel universes.

superothers
lol

The "home" quote leads more and more to some type of alien factor. I kept thinking of one thing the whole episode and hearing him say "home" drove the point home (pun intended). That one thing was the island had sunk in the "X" timeline. Islands don't sink. The usually have large masses of rock holding them above the water. If the island isn't physically attached to the bottom of the ocean, then it must be floating on water. To me floating means buoyancy, so why is it floating? Alien ship perhaps? I hope not, because having aliens can be like a deus ex machina and a big letdown (see: The ending of A.I.). Maybe Lockeness is a pissed-off version of E.T.

Random sidebar: Why wasn't the dude allowed to go home? Why have some anti-human smoke monster cruising around. Send the guy packing, Jacob, and tell him "See ya, what want to be ya."

There is a story that's been translated and told in many cultures about how one god built a beautiful world and how another god entered that world to corrupt and destroy it. Once the damage was done, the god tried to leave that world and was unable. Then the god realized that the beautiful world was, in truth, a seductive trap that was intended to capture and destroy evil.

In however form you'd like lay on that label.

All right, here's what I put together.

The pool in the temple doesn't heal people as much as it saves their lives. What I mean is that those drowned in the pool are infused with something...or someone...that is then a part of them forever. Perhaps it's a spirit of some form that enters them. Either way, it allows them to be living, choosing human beings.

This accounts for Ben's drastic change in personality after he was saved by the Others, and why his eyes change colors.

This also accounts for what Richard said to Kate and Sawyer before he saved Ben: "His innocence will be gone. He will always be one of us."

Perhaps Smock (lovin that name) wants access to the temple so that he can take advantage of the pool. He needs to be "revitalized" so that he can be human again. Copying a dead person's body doesn't cut it--he needs to be fully human. Why? I'm not sure. Though it probably has something to do with his end game. That is why the Temple Others (the Tothers?) need to protect the temple from Smock. They can't let him gain access to the pool.

So in short I don't think Smock's "home" is the temple. He simply needs to use its powers. I also don't think it has to do with aliens. I just don't see the writers going there.

I believe his home is a place and time. He is somehow bound to the island and cannot leave.

There is a story that's been translated and told in many cultures about how one god built a beautiful world and how another god entered that world to corrupt and destroy it. Once the damage was done, the god tried to leave that world and was unable. Then the god realized that the beautiful world was, in truth, a seductive trap that was intended to capture and destroy evil.

In however form you'd like lay on that label.

The player begins the game as a newly created god, born from the prayers of a family. After saving the family's drowning son, the grateful family leads the player to their village. There, the player chooses a Creature. The plot advances as the player completes main "Gold Story Scrolls" and side "Silver Reward Scrolls" quests.

The player discovers a massive Creature, who tells of a god known as Nemesis, his former master, who desires to destroy all other gods and reign supreme as the one true god. Nemesis becomes the principal antagonist in the game. The player is told of the Creed - an energy source with the ability to destroy gods. Nemesis then destroys his former Creature and attacks the player's village. A mysterious vortex opens that the player enters to escape Nemesis.

The vortex transports the player onto a second island. The player is greeted by another god, Khazar, who sent the player the vortex and asks for the player's aid against god Lethys in exchange for the resources to rebuild the player's village. However, Nemesis destroys Khazar and steals the Khazar's piece of Creed. Lethys then kidnaps the player's creature, taking it through a vortex to another land.

In the third land, The Creature is being held in stasis by three magical pillars. The player must take over three villages to free the Creature. The Lethys then gives the player a piece of the Creed and opens a vortex to a land where another can be found.

The player returns to the the first land, which is now cursed by Nemesis - fireballs and lightning rain from the sky. The player must complete three quests to deactivate the curses. Finally, when a piece of the Creed is claimed by aiding a cursed village, Nemesis appears and invites the player to his realm.

On the last island, Nemesis curses the player's Creature, causing him to slowly change alignments, shrink, and grow weaker. The player must take over villages to undo the curse and defeat Nemesis. When the final piece of the Creed is obtained, the player destroys Nemesis once and for all, leaving the player as the last remaining god in the world.

from a video game...

Well I dont know if MIB's home is off-island, I think its the temple.

So where is Home?

Imho i'm thinking Aliens at this stage rather than a supernatural explanation, seems to fit the story that much better.

I don't think he's talking about the temple as home, unless Jacob was preventing him from entering, as it was only after they learned of his death that they fortified the temple with Ash. That plus the fact that Flocke had no trouble getting into the underground of the temple with Ben nor did he seem to show any emotional connection with the outside of the temple, more of a vague disinterest and indifference.

So my bet for this stage is that the island is actually a giant ancient spaceship that crashed on earth a very very long time ago, it developed a layer of sediment over time and fauna started growing on it. This would also allow for the island's easy submergence. Then again there has been rumours of a volcano on the island for some time now, and if that is the case then the spaceship theory is buggered.

I guess it could be 'Earth' he is trying to get to, perhaps he was a man once that became the black smoke, that would explain his affinity for the human form and his apparent need to be in one. It makes me wonder though, what happened to his previous form? Was that actually him and if so why doesn't he go back to his old form once he has manipulated Ben? Perhaps he just takes human form to assist in his manipulation.
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So where is Home?

Imho i'm thinking Aliens at this stage rather than a supernatural explanation, seems to fit the story that much better.

I don't think he's talking about the temple as home, unless Jacob was preventing him from entering, as it was only after they learned of his death that they fortified the temple with Ash. That plus the fact that Flocke had no trouble getting into the underground of the temple with Ben nor did he seem to show any emotional connection with the outside of the temple, more of a vague disinterest and indifference.

So my bet for this stage is that the island is actually a giant ancient spaceship that crashed on earth a very very long time ago, it developed a layer of sediment over time and fauna started growing on it. This would also allow for the island's easy submergence. Then again there has been rumours of a volcano on the island for some time now, and if that is the case then the spaceship theory is buggered.

I guess it could be 'Earth' he is trying to get to, perhaps he was a man once that became the black smoke, that would explain his affinity for the human form and his apparent need to be in one. It makes me wonder though, what happened to his previous form? Was that actually him and if so why doesn't he go back to his old form once he has manipulated Ben? Perhaps he just takes human form to assist in his manipulation.
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So where is Home?

Imho i'm thinking Aliens at this stage rather than a supernatural explanation, seems to fit the story that much better.

I don't think he's talking about the temple as home, unless Jacob was preventing him from entering, as it was only after they learned of his death that they fortified the temple with Ash. That plus the fact that Flocke had no trouble getting into the underground of the temple with Ben nor did he seem to show any emotional connection with the outside of the temple, more of a vague disinterest and indifference.

So my bet for this stage is that the island is actually a giant ancient spaceship that crashed on earth a very very long time ago, it developed a layer of sediment over time and fauna started growing on it. This would also allow for the island's easy submergence. Then again there has been rumours of a volcano on the island for some time now, and if that is the case then the spaceship theory is buggered.

I guess it could be 'Earth' he is trying to get to, perhaps he was a man once that became the black smoke, that would explain his affinity for the human form and his apparent need to be in one. It makes me wonder though, what happened to his previous form? Was that actually him and if so why doesn't he go back to his old form once he has manipulated Ben? Perhaps he just takes human form to assist in his manipulation.