We are watching 2007 in 2 timelines, which makes the LAX footage actually take place 30 years after the Orig 2007 timeline. The LAX timeline is occurring in 2037 from the perspective of the Losties on the Island timeline (and no, they can't preceive it =).

They were successful in sinking the island in 1977,in every interation of time from that point forward the island is sunk, which means to for the island to be sunk in 2007, that altered timeline will have to progress for 30 years, by which time, the losties in 2007 will also have progressed 30 years.

In both timelines, WHH is true, it always is for every timeline...

Jack changing his timeline = FAIL
Jack changing the timeline for other iterations for 30 years = SUCCESS

Jack did a Selfless act. He could not fix his own life and past, but he could fix it for 30 years worth of iterations of himself.

What happens after 30 years? After 30 years the sunk island's timeline will no longer send the Losties back in time, so the island will not be blown up and eventually 815 will crash again, and they will sink the island again.

We have large 30 years periods of a major iteration difference. This theory shows not only what both timelines are, but when they are and how long they will last. It even explains course correction (which is just the end of an iteration cycle, 30 years in this case the island will be back to normal)

30 years the Island is above water, 30 years below. Back and forth, back and forth.. They don't go back in the Lax timeline, so 30 years in the past the island does not get sunk and 30 years after that 815 will crash and go back and sink the island, and so on and so on....

My explainations may be poor but Einstien's time theories map perfect. The time and alt universes questions are answered in my mind.

Vaughn

All I can think of is dr emmet brown and his black board explaining the alternative timelines from Back to the future 2. It's an interesting theory but I don't see the writers being able to explain it because it's very complex.

Surely he's created two timelines. The "what if" timeline and the current losties timeline.

If the bomb worked and the island is sunk and the plane never crashed then this has caused a paradox because we are also seeing the Losties timeline as well as the "what if" timeline. Are we seeing a parallel universe or an actual difference in the timeline (what if) and that the what if is not real but what could have been.

It is clear that perhaps peoples lives are actually better off on the island because we know Rose is dying of Cancer and Charlie will probably commit suicide (although he did do this on the island but this was a selfless act to save another) and never come off drugs. Sun and Jin are still in a strained relationship. All in all I think Alt.Locke was right, only Locke was the one who saw how bad his life was before the island.

I dont think the ALT timeline could have happened in in 2037, because that is 60 years after 1977, when the bomb went off, and only 30 years elapsed.

__________<30 Years>___________ <30 Years> __________ 50%
-----Sea Level ----------------------------------------------------------------------
<30 Years>__________ <30 Years>___________ <30 Years> 50%


Standing still, fixed in time (say in 1998), like a god (or a show narative), this is what you would see. an island show up for 30 years, then disappear for 30 years. (Details may vary, it may be 33 years, etc) 50% Back and forth.

So the 2 realities they are showing us actually have to occur 30+ years apart, they are not both happening at the same time, so there is only 1 reality and that reality flips every 30 years and S6 is showings us both sides of it, there is no magic choice here... reality will generate one path for 30 years, then flip for 30 years.... Both paths never exist at the same time.

It is like having 2 DVDs... Lost, & Lost Alt Ending. For 30 years you watch one, then 30 years you watch another. Only 1 DVD is in the drive the whole time... Both movies are fixed and WHH applies to both. S6 is showing us content from both DVDs edited together.

Hope I am making any sense.

Vaughn

Any technology or set clues you can give that would help your idea that the new timeline takes place in 2037? In the Sun and Jin fake out episode, one of the clues was that Jin was using a noticeably older cell phone. In the flash forward at the end of season 4, Jack was using a newer cellphone. But in last night's episode, neither cellphone technology nor the interior of airplanes seems to have changed much in the 30 years you're supposing. Fashion seems pretty much the same, and luggage looks familiar. There's nothing that really screams THE FUTURE.

We are watching 2007 in 2 timelines, which makes the LAX footage actually take place 30 years after the Orig 2007 timeline. The LAX timeline is occurring in 2037 from the perspective of the Losties on the Island timeline (and no, they can't preceive it =).

They were successful in sinking the island in 1977,in every interation of time from that point forward the island is sunk, which means to for the island to be sunk in 2007, that altered timeline will have to progress for 30 years, by which time, the losties in 2007 will also have progressed 30 years.

In both timelines, WHH is true, it always is for every timeline...

Jack changing his timeline = FAIL
Jack changing the timeline for other iterations for 30 years = SUCCESS

Jack did a Selfless act. He could not fix his own life and past, but he could fix it for 30 years worth of iterations of himself.

What happens after 30 years? After 30 years the sunk island's timeline will no longer send the Losties back in time, so the island will not be blown up and eventually 815 will crash again, and they will sink the island again.

We have large 30 years periods of a major iteration difference. This theory shows not only what both timelines are, but when they are and how long they will last. It even explains course correction (which is just the end of an iteration cycle, 30 years in this case the island will be back to normal)

30 years the Island is above water, 30 years below. Back and forth, back and forth.. They don't go back in the Lax timeline, so 30 years in the past the island does not get sunk and 30 years after that 815 will crash and go back and sink the island, and so on and so on....

My explainations may be poor but Einstien's time theories map perfect. The time and alt universes questions are answered in my mind.

Vaughn

Clever thinking...and keeps WHH in place.

My only problem is that if this flight is meant to be the alternate version of the original 815 flight, didn't it take place in 2004? The Ajira flight was 2007 if I recall? I might be confused...but also the screencap of Sayid's passport (Iranian instead of Iraqi!) shows the date '04 on his customs form? I'm just confused as to where 2007 came from vis a vis the alternate timeline flight that we saw in the episode, or the 815 flight? :undecide:

Two problems you have the years incorrect. Oceanic 815 originally crashed on September 22, 2004 not 2007. They are not in 2007. Ajira 316 landed on the Island in 2008.

"Life and Death of Jermy Bentham"
[Locke and Widmore are outside, sitting at a table in a small pavilion. Locke is examining a passport in the name of Jeremy Bentham, a Canadian citizen, with Locke’s picture on it.]
LOCKE: Jeremy Bentham?
WIDMORE: He was a British philosopher. Your parents had a sense of humor when they named you, so why can’t I? [passes money, a phone and a file to Locke] That should be money enough for now. The phone’s international. If you need to reach me, for anything, just press 2-3. The folder contains your people’s whereabouts. Everyone who was on the island that left.
Jeremy Bentham's Passport (http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/fullpicture_75343_o.html)
"There's No Place Like Home"
BEN: When did you speak to him?
JACK: About a month ago.

Jeremy's Passport was not issued until December 12, 2007 and Jack had not spoken to Jeremy for at least a month and Jack was the last of the O6 to speak with Jeremy Bentham before Ben killed him. It had to have been at least two days after Widmore gave Jeremy his passport so Jack spoke to Jeremy no sooner than December 14, 2007. Then add to that:
"The Lie"
WOMAN: Hmm? You better get busy because you only have seventy hours.
BEN: What? No, no that's not enough time. I need at least…
WOMAN: What you need is irrelevant.
[The woman turns around. It is Ms. Hawking.
MS. HAWKING: Seventy hours is what you've got.
Then later she said
"316"
MS. HAWKING: Well this fellow presumed, and correctly as it turned out, that the island was always moving. Why do you think you were never rescued? Now, while the movements of the island seem random, this man and his team created a series of equations [pointing to chalkboard] which tell us with a high degree of probability where it is going to be at a certain point in time. Windows, as it were, while open provide a route back. Unfortunately these windows don't stay open for very long.
[Desmond stands with his arms across his chest. Ms. Hawking walks to Jack and hands him the binder.]
MS. HAWKING: Yours closes in 36 hours.

So add about 1 1/2 days plus they did not leave until the next day so make it a total of 2 days added.

That would mean that Ajira 316 didn't land on the Island until until January 16, 2008 or later.

I think what he means is that there is only one "real" timeline... so the "altiverse" is not really 30 years in the future, but their present happens 30 years after the present of the original timeline...

So, for someone out of time, the situation would be:

ex: "Original 815 years 2004-2034" then "Alt 815 years 2004-2034" then "Original 815 years 2035-2065" then "Alt 815 years 2035-2065"

Or using Vaughn's "diagram:
... Original 815 2004-2034-----------------------------------Original 815 2035-2065-----------------------------------Original 815 2066-2096 ...
... ---------------------------------Alternate 815 2004-2034---------------------------------Alternate 815 2035-2065--------------------------------- ...

For someone out of time, this would be seen as only one line, thus, as only one timeline in wich every 30 years happen twice, with some modifications

Imagine a singer you like releases a double CD: a normal version, and an instrumental version, and you only have one CD player. In your CD player, you can only put one CD at a time and you always listen to the instrumental just after the normal version. So the situation would be:

"track 1", "track 1 inst.", "track2", "track 2 inst." etc. and you change CD between each track...

It's the same thing with the timelines: each 30 years, you change timeline to experience the same years, but on the other timeline, see?

Not sure if this is exactly what Vaughn meant... but I think that's it.

If this helps, Daniel found the time dilation between rocket landing and Kahana was 31.18 mins.

I like this idea... :)

We are watching 2007 in 2 timelines, which makes the LAX footage actually take place 30 years after the Orig 2007 timeline. The LAX timeline is occurring in 2037 from the perspective of the Losties on the Island timeline (and no, they can't preceive it =).

They were successful in sinking the island in 1977,in every interation of time from that point forward the island is sunk, which means to for the island to be sunk in 2007, that altered timeline will have to progress for 30 years, by which time, the losties in 2007 will also have progressed 30 years.

In both timelines, WHH is true, it always is for every timeline...

Jack changing his timeline = FAIL
Jack changing the timeline for other iterations for 30 years = SUCCESS

Jack did a Selfless act. He could not fix his own life and past, but he could fix it for 30 years worth of iterations of himself.

What happens after 30 years? After 30 years the sunk island's timeline will no longer send the Losties back in time, so the island will not be blown up and eventually 815 will crash again, and they will sink the island again.

We have large 30 years periods of a major iteration difference. This theory shows not only what both timelines are, but when they are and how long they will last. It even explains course correction (which is just the end of an iteration cycle, 30 years in this case the island will be back to normal)

30 years the Island is above water, 30 years below. Back and forth, back and forth.. They don't go back in the Lax timeline, so 30 years in the past the island does not get sunk and 30 years after that 815 will crash and go back and sink the island, and so on and so on....

My explainations may be poor but Einstien's time theories map perfect. The time and alt universes questions are answered in my mind.

Vaughn

The losties who WERE in 1977 were brought back to Jan 2008 with the detonation of the bomb, the same time that Sun, Frank, Ben, and Locke are in. The off island stuff is Sept 2004. That's 3 years and 3 months apart, not 30 years. But yes, there are now two copies of each person living their lives in seperate realities unaware of their other copy.

Respectfully...you're mind screwing yourself...it's just not gonna be that complicated